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Title: Veterans's Thread
Source: jwpegler
URL Source: http://jwpegler
Published: Nov 11, 2011
Author: jwpegler
Post Date: 2011-11-11 19:54:42 by jwpegler
Keywords: None
Views: 67106
Comments: 150

I haven't seen squat on Liberty Forum about Veteran's Day.

Maybe there aren't any veterans our here except me.

If you are a veteran, please respond with you your branch, base, unit, and dates of service.

jwpegler
Air Force
Pope Air Force Base
317th Avionics Maintenance Squadron (317th AMS)
1979 - 1983

By the way, if another 1960s hippy dippy turned neo-con war monger (like Michael Medved) "thanks me for my service" I am going to throw up...

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#1. To: jwpegler (#0)

I haven't seen squat on Liberty Forum about Veteran's Day.

This is good news.

Maybe there aren't any veterans our here except me.

Not at all. I think SneakyPete is a Vietnam vet as I am. But all post WW2 "vets" are victims of a nation that is out-of-control and whose military is at the beckon call of the UN. There hasn't been a REAL war since WW2 is what I am saying.

By the way, if another 1960s hippy dippy turned neo-con war monger (like Michael Medved) "thanks me for my service" I am going to throw up...

So why did you make a thread about being a "vet?"

buckeroo  posted on  2011-11-11   20:09:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: buckeroo (#1) (Edited)

I haven't seen squat on Liberty Forum about Veteran's Day.

This is good news.

I thought that I was a cynical SOB, but you've topped me with your post.

Yes, all governments are rotten to the core, including the American government.

However, America is absolutely worth defending.

I've been in 26 countries. I've been in many of those countries several times each.

I have great respect for some of those countries. I also know that America is worth defending.

I understand that you were drafted and I don't agree with that.

My view is that only free people can defend a free society.

I am at least at decade younger than you. As a result, we have a different perspective.

I volunteered. It was the best decision I ever made.

You were drafted and it was horrible.

The neo-cons never served, so they agitate for war. I think that we can both agree that this is wrong.

I hope that you can agree that America is worth defending and that people who volunteer to defend America are worth celebrating. That's why I posted this..

jwpegler  posted on  2011-11-11   21:12:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: jwpegler (#2)

However, America is absolutely worth defending.

Huh? Exactly how is America being defended after WW2 with highly paid mercenaries running around murdering people in other nations, such as South Vietnam in the past and today, Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya today? Are discussing this nonsense of the SUPER_DUPER TOP-SECRET NATIONAL SECURITY issue(s) that are never proven or substantiated? Please explain what is being defended.

I've been in 26 countries. I've been in many of those countries several times each.

So what? Why does America have its nose up every asshole around the world?

I have great respect for some of those countries. I also know that America is worth defending.

Yeah? So go over there and defend them on your own dime which is what I tell everyone when they over-glamourize the US military.

I understand that you were drafted and I don't agree with that.

Where is my "than you for your service" platitude?

My view is that only free people can defend a free society.

So let every nation defend themselves. And that is EXACTLY what America needs to do with respect to the Mexican invasion.

I am at least at decade younger than you. As a result, we have a different perspective.

You don't seem to understand that claiming that you are "wet behind the ears" doesn't give you a free excuse to wave around.

I volunteered. It was the best decision I ever made.

Yea! Thank you for your service! Now, go barf, like you claimed to forecast.

You were drafted and it was horrible.

Naw, I scored high on the GT and as a result made out like a bandit.

The neo-cons never served, so they agitate for war. I think that we can both agree that this is wrong.

Yeah. So what? Since WW2 that same sort of mentality still festers within American governance. Yet, WW2 is long over. So are the "good ol' days" when the world depended upon America might to rebuild other nations; today, this sort of thinking is leading us into a turd bowl.

I hope that you can agree that America is worth defending and that people who volunteer to defend America are worth celebrating.

Not American interests around the world. Nope. Never.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-11-11   21:41:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: buckeroo (#3)

So what? Why does America have its nose up every asshole around the world?

Because those in power perceive there to be threats. That and they want more power.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-12   21:35:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A K A Stone (#22)

Because those in power perceive there to be threats.

And you fall for the BS everyday of your life. Do you want to know why? Because you have no power in this FUCKED-UPPED nation.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-11-12   22:07:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: buckeroo (#25)

Because those in power perceive there to be threats.

And you fall for the BS everyday of your life.

Next time quote my whole response. They are dependent on each other for the picture of what I said.

There are some people who perceive there to be threats. And their are threats. A nuclear Iran is a threat if you believe it or not.

Then the second part of my answer was about the desire of those who rule us for more power.

So again tell me what I fell for.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-12   22:10:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#27)

A nuclear Iran is a threat if you believe it or not.

So is Zionist Israel, if you believe it or not.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-11-12   22:16:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: buckeroo (#28)

Do you see Israel as a direct thread? Or indirect?

What I am asking do you think Israel would attack us? Or are they a threat because you perceive them to pull us into wars that we shouldn't be in?

I think Iran is a direct threat. And if over time they build missiles that could reach here they would potentially use them.

I understand that Iran legitimately sees us as a threat to them also.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-12   22:20:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#29)

I think Iran is a direct threat.

You don't think at all.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-11-12   22:26:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Fred Mertz (#30)

So it is your position that we should help them with their nuke program?

Do you think that they will never have missiles that can reach America?

Now tell me who isn't thinking. You think. Only 10 min down the road though. You're probably pretty good at candyland but not so much at chess.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-12   22:28:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#31)

Do you think that they will never have missiles that can reach America?

When did Iran attack another county?

How many times has America attacked another country in the past 50 years?

Q.E.D.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-11-12   22:39:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Fred Mertz (#34)

Do you think that they will never have missiles that can reach America?

When did Iran attack another county?

How many times has America attacked another country in the past 50 years?

Q.E.D.

Iran attacks other nations through surrogates. They hope to change that with nuclear weapons.

I think the world would be WORSE off if Iran had nukes. I don't think any muslim nation should have nukes.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-12   22:42:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#37) (Edited)

I don't think any muslim nation should have nukes.

Howz about them there black nations of Africa?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-11-12   22:49:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#41. To: Fred Mertz (#39)

I don't think any muslim nation should have nukes.

Howz about them there black nations if Africa?

I don' want any other nations to get nukes. It makes the world more dangerous.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-12 22:52:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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