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Title: Veterans's Thread
Source: jwpegler
URL Source: http://jwpegler
Published: Nov 11, 2011
Author: jwpegler
Post Date: 2011-11-11 19:54:42 by jwpegler
Keywords: None
Views: 67114
Comments: 150

I haven't seen squat on Liberty Forum about Veteran's Day.

Maybe there aren't any veterans our here except me.

If you are a veteran, please respond with you your branch, base, unit, and dates of service.

jwpegler
Air Force
Pope Air Force Base
317th Avionics Maintenance Squadron (317th AMS)
1979 - 1983

By the way, if another 1960s hippy dippy turned neo-con war monger (like Michael Medved) "thanks me for my service" I am going to throw up...

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#110. To: A K A Stone (#108)

They didn't want a democracy.

I used to think the same. But, it is not true. The goals set forth in establishing the USA were in regards to individual freedoms, liberties and rights based upon an immutable quality that could not be trampled upon.

Your use of "they" were the federalists that wanted an elite form of government wherein only those that had distinguished merit in American society could exercise a vote. Madison and Hamilton among others were in this group of folks.

But the tug o' war that jwpegler brought out was the integration of the anti-federalist sentiments in 1791 that wanted an explicit incorporation of the BOR, this distinguished group consisted of Jefferson and Washington and many others. In fact, they wanted the clauses of slavery included in the Declaration of Independence in 1776 against King George; it was removed by the Second Continental Congress (third edition) which is the final form.

Nope. From the onset of America it is well known about democratic principles even from the founders own original manuscripts which were largely influenced by Locke, Voltaire, Montesquieu and others.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-11-20   11:14:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: lucysmom (#104)

When I hear the word "teabag", I think of paper filter bags filled with tea leaves, not some sexual practice.

OK. But that has nothing at all to do with some members here calling others 'teabaggers'.

Are you OK with that? Or is it just over the line when it's thrown back in the face of the person who is calling others teabaggers?

I have nothing against any of you personally, though we surely disagree on some of our political philosophies, but if I were Stone I'd ban the lot of you and start over. I would refuse to admin a forum filled with malcontent, name calling children.

I suspect that you'd likely do the same. But I could be wrong since you seem to not see the offense when it comes from friends of yours.

We The People  posted on  2011-11-20   11:52:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: mininggold (#107)

Since you admit you rarely post on this forum you have a very incomplete view of the interactions here and by your own expressed standards should keep your banning comments to yourself.

With all due respect, I'll make any comment that I wish to make. Note, that I do not wish to, and in fact do not, use some disgusting sexual reference when I refer to you, and in all of our interactions over the years, that I never have.

When I hear the term "tea bagger' I think of wimpy tea partiers too timid to take back the language. And I realize that correlates directly to the ammount of power tea partiers have in the political arena. And that power will continue to wane.

Meaning NO intestinal fortitude when push comes to shove.

I don't care what you think when you hear anything. The term is disgusting when you use it in the context that you do and should have no place in a political forum, and I know that you know that. You're not stupid. But the fact that you would argue that you're not using the word in the context that you are shows that you DO believe myself and others to be stupid.

You simply have a problem discussing views and events without using insults. Exactly like yukon.

You guys are a real laugh.

I think you also assume too much. But thanks for helping prove my point with snide and condescending comments to the end.

We The People  posted on  2011-11-20   12:09:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: lucysmom, AKA stone (#104)

When I hear the word "teabag", I think of paper filter bags filled with tea leaves, not some sexual practice.

Really?

So you'll join me in condemning your BFF mininggold's graphic tagline describing the sexual act then?

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-11-20   12:55:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: We The People, (#111)

OK. But that has nothing at all to do with some members here calling others 'teabaggers'.

Are you OK with that? Or is it just over the line when it's thrown back in the face of the person who is calling others teabaggers?

Now you know that the word "teabag" congers up different images for different people. Tea partyers first used the word to describe themselves without realizing that the word had another meaning.

When (good family man) JP writes a full on description of a sex act and sends it to a woman, he is in a whole new category of offensive behavior.

In general, I'm not a big fan of name calling.

Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890

lucysmom  posted on  2011-11-20   13:01:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Thunderbird (#113)

So you'll join me in condemning your BFF mininggold's graphic tagline describing the sexual act then?

It wasn't a product of her mind, she didn't write it.

What kind of man writes something like that and sends it to a woman?

Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890

lucysmom  posted on  2011-11-20   13:04:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: lucysmom (#114)

When (good family man) JP writes a full on description of a sex act and sends it to a woman, he is in a whole new category of offensive behavior.

But that woman calling that man a teabagger is not offensive???

If you called me a sodomite, then I described the act, would we both be wrong?

On a political forum...YES.

Maybe not if we were in some seedy sex chat room.

We The People  posted on  2011-11-20   13:57:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: We The People, yukon (#116)

Maybe not if we were in some seedy sex chat room.

Remnants of yukon, I suspect.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-11-20   14:17:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: We The People (#116)

If you called me a sodomite, then I described the act, would we both be wrong?

How many meanings does the word sodomite have?

teabagger: multiple meanings. 1) one who carries large bags of packaged tea for shipment. 2) JP's definition 3) one who has a job or talent that is low in social status 4) a person who is unaware that they have said or done something foolish, childlike, noobish, lame, or inconvenient.

Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890

lucysmom  posted on  2011-11-20   14:19:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: We The People (#116) (Edited)

If you called me a sodomite, then I described the act, would we both be wrong?

Yet you are willing to disparage the poor dead souls from Sodom, many of whom were probably innocent of any wrong doing, but were killed anyway.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2011-11-20   14:22:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: lucysmom (#118)

How many meanings does the word sodomite have?

teabagger: multiple meanings. 1) one who carries large bags of packaged tea for shipment. 2) JP's definition 3) one who has a job or talent that is low in social status 4) a person who is unaware that they have said or done something foolish, childlike, noobish, lame, or inconvenient.

You can't argue facts with the intellectually lazy. They have a certain comfort level they will defend at all cost.

"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.

mininggold  posted on  2011-11-20   14:24:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: mininggold (#120)

Apply meaning #4.

Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890

lucysmom  posted on  2011-11-20   14:26:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: mininggold (#119)

Yet you are willing to disparage the poor dead souls from Sodom, many of whom were probably innocent of any wrong doing, but were killed anyway.

Seriously? THAT is what you have to say in this conversation?

We The People  posted on  2011-11-20   14:31:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: lucysmom, mininggold (#121)

You can't argue facts with the intellectually lazy. They have a certain comfort level they will defend at all cost.

Apply meaning #4.

Wow.

Ladies, I'm sorry that I tried to have an intelligent conversation with you.

We The People  posted on  2011-11-20   14:33:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: buckeroo (#117)

Maybe not if we were in some seedy sex chat room.

Remnants of yukon, I suspect.

LOL!!!!!

We The People  posted on  2011-11-20   14:35:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: We The People (#123)

Ladies, I'm sorry that I tried to have an intelligent conversation with you.

IMHO, your argument that using a word that has several meanings, only one of which is sexual, in a context that is not sexual, but could be, maybe, if you're inclined to think that way, is equivalent to describing a sex act and personalizing it, is lame at best.

Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890

lucysmom  posted on  2011-11-20   14:43:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: lucysmom (#125)

I honestly don't care. If you prefer your political forum to be in the gutter then that is, I'm sure, where it will be.

I've tried to show you what you already know, which is that both mininggold's statements as well as Jwpegler's statements are disgusting and have no place in a political forum.

But you obviously can't see it. If you want that kind of exchange, then have at it. But you shouldn't then whine when others return the favor.

We The People  posted on  2011-11-20   14:51:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: lucysmom (#125)

You are so obviously excusing behavior from one side and condemning it from the other.

That's not only ridiculous, it's hypocritical.

We The People  posted on  2011-11-20   14:53:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: mininggold (#119)

Yet you are willing to disparage the poor dead souls from Sodom, many of whom were probably innocent of any wrong doing, but were killed anyway.

So you believe it took place. Good for you.

If my memory serves me correctly God said he would not destroy it if there was just ONE good person left there.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-20   17:20:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: mininggold (#120)

You can't argue facts with the intellectually lazy. They have a certain comfort level they will defend at all cost.

I don't care if you call us Tea party folks tea baggers.

But be honest you know why you use that phrase.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-20   17:21:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: We The People, mininggold, *Hypocrisy and Hypocrites* (#112)

You simply have a problem discussing views and events without using insults. Exactly like yukon.

Bingo!

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-11-20   17:26:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: We The People (#126)

are disgusting and have no place in a political forum.

They are already out there, pointless to take them down now.

I once gave them a light threat about using that term. Then I thought on it and decided it wasn't worth it.

The first time I ever heard that term used was a few years ago while watching the TV show Prison break.

My kids used to watch that show. They called the one guy teabag. I let it slide there too. They just thought it was a name.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-20   17:26:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: We The People, lucysmom, mininggold (#123)

Ladies, I'm sorry that I tried to have an intelligent conversation with you.

It's a waste of time. IMHO,lucysmom means well but ain't the most aware person on the planet,and Mining is nothing but a shrill partisan Pod Person. She IS the flip side of Yu-Tard.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-11-20   17:29:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: lucysmom (#115)

So you'll join me in condemning your BFF mininggold's graphic tagline describing the sexual act then?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-11-20   18:09:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: A K A Stone (#88)

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Piss OFF stone.

All that you are in charge of is this little site, other than that you have ZERO power over me, or the rest of us boy.

I don't LIE on purpose. Sometimes I do make mistakes, and then I OWN them, like a MAN does little boy.

I surely do use"filthy" language, as a tool to respond/address un/anti/AMERICAN "filthy" crap that other posters don't have the balls to just come out and say.

Those people are just like YOU stone. You say FILTH but you say it nice, so it's NOT "Filth"? Right boy?

Right.

I was an "adult" long before YOU were shitting yellow little boy.

I AM "talking like an adult" you little old lady ponce weenie.

I respect that THIS is YOUR boat, so you get to make the so called rules and so called enforce them.

I don't respect you acting like just another little bitch.

Which is exactly what you are when you whine about the "baby boomers".

You are just a whiny hypocritical little pussy stone.

You let these libTURD vermin push you around here like the little bitch that you really are stone.

Soooooo .... FUCK YOU AND THE HORSE YOU RODE ON IN stone.

It's YOUR boat bitch.

But I don't knowingly ship onto CUNT boats stone.

NOW I DO know.

Anyway this site is like a downs syndrome gestalt session, lots of "sturm und drang" yet virtually ZERO substance.

I REALLY love the way that you whine and cry like the little loser bitch you must really be when you talk about entire generations of people.

WE don't owe you shit little boy.

NOBODY owes you shit little boy.

I'll waste no more time with whiny little bitch frauds such as you.

I hope that you grow up someday little boy.

Then you'll know that what happens to YOU is entirely YOUR responsibility, nobody else's.

After all, you are just another product of this pussyfied society, what the hell would you be expected to know about being a FREE AMERICAN MAN?

Not a FUCKING thing.

I have ALWAYS cut YOU some slack little boy.

No more.

Have fun with the rest of these whiny libTURD CUNTS.

They are certainly your kind of CUNTS.

You are all welcome to each other.

I have REAL stuff to actually DO.

LMAO!!!!!

Feel free to close my account.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-11-20   20:32:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Mad Dog (#134)

woof, woof!

buckeroo  posted on  2011-11-20   20:40:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: Mad Dog (#134)

Piss OFF stone.

All that you are in charge of is this little site, other than that you have ZERO power over me, or the rest of us boy.

I don't LIE on purpose. Sometimes I do make mistakes, and then I OWN them, like a MAN does little boy.

I surely do use"filthy" language, as a tool to respond/address un/anti/AMERICAN "filthy" crap that other posters don't have the balls to just come out and say.

Those people are just like YOU stone. You say FILTH but you say it nice, so it's NOT "Filth"? Right boy?

Hi Mad Dog.

Lets address these for you buddy.

First I don't want any power over you. I just want people here to behave in a respectful manner. I know I haven't always led by example on that.

I never said you lie. If I did I don't recall it.

We all make mistakes, people who own up to them and grow impress me.

I've seen you respond without all the foul language and it is much more persuasive.

I don't know what you mean by I say filth but say it nice. I'm kind of mean sometimes.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-20   21:04:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: Mad Dog (#134)

Right.

I was an "adult" long before YOU were shitting yellow little boy.

I AM "talking like an adult" you little old lady ponce weenie.

I respect that THIS is YOUR boat, so you get to make the so called rules and so called enforce them.

I don't respect you acting like just another little bitch.

Which is exactly what you are when you whine about the "baby boomers".

You are just a whiny hypocritical little pussy stone.

You let these libTURD vermin push you around here like the little bitch that you really are stone.

Ok your next points

Ok you're older then me.

I'm not a ponce weenie, whatever that is.

You say I act like a bitch. Howso?

My dad is a baby boomer. I do see a lot of boomers as selfish though. They also by in large turn a blind eye to some of the changes that have happened and they still think it is the old America. That is a generalization but I think accurate.

I did let some libs say some things about me and other posters here. I was trying to be fair and let everyone say what they wanted to. I've since grown and realize that a civilized conversation is preferable and more effective.

I'm not saying I am going to wack everyone who says something foul or insults something. I'm first going to try and persuade folks here to take the high road.

I may try to put these rules that are in my head in writing at some point. Maybe not.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-20   21:08:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: Mad Dog (#134)

It's YOUR boat bitch.

But I don't knowingly ship onto CUNT boats stone.

NOW I DO know.

Anyway this site is like a downs syndrome gestalt session, lots of "sturm und drang" yet virtually ZERO substance.

But you've added lots of substance. No really you have. Minus a few curse words.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-20   21:09:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: Mad Dog (#134)

I REALLY love the way that you whine and cry like the little loser bitch you must really be when you talk about entire generations of people.

WE don't owe you shit little boy.

NOBODY owes you shit little boy.

You're are correct you don't owe me shit.

Here is a question for you.

Do people working today owe baby boomers social security money?

I would say no, their labor belongs to them and them alone.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-20   21:11:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: Mad Dog (#134)

I'll waste no more time with whiny little bitch frauds such as you.

I hope that you grow up someday little boy.

Then you'll know that what happens to YOU is entirely YOUR responsibility, nobody else's.

What have I whined about?

I don't know what this responsibility rant is all about. Can you link it to something I've said. That way I will understand you.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-20   21:12:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: Mad Dog (#134)

After all, you are just another product of this pussyfied society, what the hell would you be expected to know about being a FREE AMERICAN MAN?

Not a FUCKING thing.

I have ALWAYS cut YOU some slack little boy.

No more.

Have fun with the rest of these whiny libTURD CUNTS.

There are only liberals here? lol

Should I ban all these liberals?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-20   21:13:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: Mad Dog (#134)

I have REAL stuff to actually DO.

LMAO!!!!!

Good luck with your real stuff that you have to do.

Now run along little girl. Just kidding ok.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-20   21:14:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: A K A Stone (#136)

We all make mistakes, people who own up to them and grow impress me.

Just before the lights are turned off on the channel, I see we have a manager starting to realize that there are a lot of good posters here, including that rabid dawg. I won't comment on his problem(s) as he knows the same from many other poster's comments. Still, it appears you are turning around and starting to realize that some good talent has been chased off.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-11-20   21:40:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: buckeroo (#143)

If trying to set up some standards and not being told to bite me or suck me by posters, chase them off. Then so be it.

What happened to chan anyways? War made some comment a while back that hinted that he ran him off. That is the way I took it anyway.

If there is one poster who hasn't been posting here recently that I like. It would be Chan. I like Biff too.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-20   21:44:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: buckeroo (#143)

Just before the lights are turned off on the channel

I have no plans EVER to turn the lights off on this place.

What happened to FU by the way. RIP FU. Take care Bret.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-20   21:46:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: A K A Stone (#144)

If trying to set up some standards and not being told to bite me or suck me by posters, chase them off. Then so be it.

HEY! I got an idea for you. Why not make a pledge to ALL posters to not show your unwarranted wrath based upon NO standards at all? You have no benchmarks for behaviour at all other than from time to time your made up rules that quickly fade away into obscurity until YOU feel like some form of reaffirmation of channel POWER.

Because of your methods, you have insulted a lot of fine folks that thought they could exchange ideas on LF; it is all YOUR fault, as there are no formal rules of posting interchange engagement at all. How long has this channel been in operation? "Better late than never," to use an old cliché.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-11-20   22:04:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: buckeroo (#146)

HEY! I got an idea for you. Why not make a pledge to ALL posters to not show your unwarranted wrath based upon NO standards at all? You have no benchmarks for behaviour at all other than from time to time your made up rules that quickly fade away into obscurity until YOU feel like some form of reaffirmation of channel POWER.

Because of your methods, you have insulted a lot of fine folks that thought they could exchange ideas on LF; it is all YOUR fault, as there are no formal rules of posting interchange engagement at all. How long has this channel been in operation? "Better late than never," to use an old cliché.

I've never used a set of written rules because I don't think I can get it right on paper. It is a good idea though. How about some proposals from you and the other posters.

I'll try to work on it some this week. Since I broke my foot I have a bit more time.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-20   22:11:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: A K A Stone (#147)

Since I broke my foot I have a bit more time.

Did you fall off a roof?

buckeroo  posted on  2011-11-20   22:12:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: buckeroo (#148)

Since I broke my foot I have a bit more time.

Did you fall off a roof?

I was on a ladder about 15 foot up. The ladder was on concrete. I should have known better. The ladder slipped off the roof with me on it. It is a minor fracture. It could have been a lot worse. Doc said 2 or 3 weeks.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-20   22:18:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: A K A Stone (#149)

You poor thing. I guess there is no turkey, taters, yukon and some self-proclaimed captain going to sing a song for you this year. HA!

buckeroo  posted on  2011-11-20   22:24:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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