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Title: WHAT ISRAEL DOES FOR THE UNITED STATES and MUCH MORE
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Published: Jun 15, 2011
Author: Jay Draiman
Post Date: 2011-11-05 23:59:52 by Murron
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WHAT ISRAEL DOES FOR THE UNITED STATES and MUCH MORE Throughout the six decades since the re-establishment of Israel, an often repeated claim in made that “Israel is a draining liability on the United States.” This claim is bogus and an examination of the facts hopefully will consign this charge to the trash-heap where it belongs. Further adding to the problem are statements made by and the conduct of Israel's leftist leaders since 1993 create the false impression that Israeli-American ties constitute a one-way relationship. The impression is given that the U.S. gives and Israel merely receives and thus must constantly bow to “American pressure” as personified by the U.S. State Department. The truth is that the relationship is a two-way partnership. For example: • In 1952, as the Cold War got underway, U.S. Army Chief-of-Staff Omar Bradley called for the integration of Israel into the Mediterranean Basin area, in light of the country's location and unique capabilities. • In 1967, Israel defeated a radical Arab, pro-Soviet offensive, which threatened to bring about the collapse of pro-American Arab regimes and disrupt oil supply, thus severely undermining the American standard of living. The U.S. gained valuable military information from analysis of captured Soviet equipment, including SAM-2, SAM-12, Mig-21 aircraft, and Soviet T-54 battle tanks. In fact, Israel gave an entire squadron of MiG-21s to the U.S. which was dubbed the “Top Gun” squadron and used by the U.S. Air and Naval forces for training purposes. Since 1967, Israel transferred captured Soviet weapons systems to the U.S. Pentagon after every conflict: 1967, 1967-70, 1973, 1982, 1990 (Scud remnants from the Gulf War), and 2006 (remnants of Iranian supplied missiles. • In the 1967-1970 1000 Day War of Attrition, the IDF, armed with American aircraft successfully defeated a Soviet-supplied air defense system, pointing out the deficiencies in Soviet air-defense doctrine to US defense planners. Israel shared captured military equipment include P-2 radar and Soviet tanks with the U.S. military. • In 1970, Israel brought about the withdrawal of Syrian forces from Jordan, at a time when the U.S. was tied up by wars in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia, thus preventing the fall of the pro-American Hashemite regime and the installation of a pro-Soviet radical Palestinian terrorist regime. • In 1973 – thanks to U.S. re-supply, but without U.S. forces, Israel defeated Soviet-trained and equipped Egyptian and Syrian forces. Israel again shared captured Soviet equipment, including T-62 battle tanks with the U.S. Israel emerged as the only reliable ally where U.S. troops could land, where U.S. equipment can be pre-positioned, where the U.S. has friendly port facilities (in Haifa and Ashdod) in the entire Middle East region. This too has saved the U.S. billions of dollars. 1970s - Joseph Sisco, a former U.S. Assistant Secretary of State, assistant to Secretary of State Henry Kissinger during the latter’s shuttle diplomacy, told the Israeli author and military expert, Shmuel Katz: “I want to assure you, Mr. Katz, that if we were not getting full value for our money, you would not get a cent from us.” • In 1981, Israel bombed the Iraqi nuclear reactor at Osirak, delaying Saddam Hussein’s quest for nuclear weapons. It thus provided the U.S. with the option of engaging in conventional wars with Iraq in 1991 and 2003. • The vice president General Dynamics which produces the F16 fighter jets has stated that Israel is responsible for 600 improvements in the plane's systems, modifications estimated to be worth billions of dollars, which spared dozens of research and development years. • In 1982, Israel destroyed Soviet anti-aircraft batteries in Lebanon that were considered immune to American weapons. Israel promptly shared the operation's lessons, estimated to be worth billions of dollars. • Former Secretary of State and NATO forces commander Alexander Haig has stated that he is pro-Israeli because Israel is the largest American aircraft carrier in the world that cannot be sunk, does not carry even one American soldier, and is located in a critical region for American national security. • During the first Gulf War 1991, Israel provided invaluable intelligence, an umbrella of air cover for military cargo, and had personnel planted in the Iraqi desert to pick up downed American pilots. • General George Keegan, former head of U.S. Air Force Intelligence has publicly declared that “Israel is worth five CIA’s.” He further stated that between 1974 and 1990, Israel received $18.3 billion in U.S. military grants. During the same period Israel provided the U.S. with $50-80 billion in intelligence, research and development savings, and Soviet weapons systems captured and transferred to the U.S. • In 2005, Israel provided America with the world's most extensive experience in homeland defense and warfare against suicide bombers and car bombs. American soldiers train in IDF facilities and Israeli-made drones fly above the "Sunni Triangle" in Iraq, as well as in Afghanistan, providing U.S. Marines with vital intelligence. • In September 2007, the IAF destroyed a Syrian-North Korean nuclear plant, extending the US’s strategic arm. It provided the US with vital information on Russian air defense systems, which are also employed by Iran. It bolstered the US posture of deterrence and refuted the claim that US-Israel relations have been shaped by political expediency. • In 2009, Israel shares with the US its battle-tested experience in combating Palestinian and Hizbullah terrorism, which are the role model of anti-US Islamic terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan. US GIs benefit from Israel’s battle tactics against car bombs, improvised explosive devices and homicide bombing. An Israel-like ally in the Persian Gulf would have spared the need to dispatch US troops to Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. • Israel has relayed to the U.S. lessons of battle (during the Cold War – Soviet military doctrine) and counter-terrorism (including aircraft security, homicide-suicide bombings) which reduce American losses in Iraq and Afghanistan, prevent attacks on U.S. soil, upgrade American weapons, and contribute to the U.S. economy. Without Israel, the U.S. would have been forced to deploy tens of thousands of American troops in the eastern Mediterranean Basin, at a cost of billions of dollars a year. • Senator Daniel Inouye has recently (2005) argued Israeli information regarding Soviet arms saved the U.S. billions of dollars. The contribution made by Israeli intelligence to America is greater than that provided by all NATO countries combined, he said. • Israel's utilization of American arms guarantees its existence, but at the same time gives U.S. military industries, such as Boeing and General Dynamics, a competitive edge compared to European industries, while also boosting American military production, producing American jobs, and improving America's national security. Japan and South Korea, for example, preferred the "Hawkeye" spy plane and the MD-500 chopper, both purchased and upgraded by Israel, over comparable British and French aircraft. • The American industries want U.S. aid to Israel to continue. The bulk of the $1.8 billion in annual U.S. military aid to Israel must be spent in the United States. That provides jobs for some 50,000 U.S. workers. Virtually all of the $1.2 billion in annual economic aid goes for repayment of debt to the United States, incurred from military purchases dating back many years. This debt is now close to being liquidated. • Innovative Israeli technologies have a similar effect on American civilian, including computer-related industries and agricultural industries, which view Israel as a successful research and development site. • Members of the U.S. Congress leaders, then Vice President Dick Cheney, and then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld are aware of Israel's unique contribution to U.S. interests. But, in fact, they all wonder why the post-1993 Israel does not use its impressive contribution as leverage, in sharp contrast to the pre-1993 Israel. • In contrast to our commitments to Korea, Japan, Germany and other parts of the world, not a single American serviceperson needs to be stationed in Israel. Considering that the cost of one serviceperson per year – including backup and infrastructure – is estimated to be about $200,000 per year, and assuming a minimum contingent of 25,000 troops, the cost savings to the United States on that score alone are on the order of $5 billion a year. 
YJ Draiman, officially running for mayor of Los Angeles - 2013
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#1. To: Murron (#0)
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Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
Most of which we wouldn't have the need for if Israel wasn't causing most of the problems in the first place. Draiman sounds likes he has lots of investments in Israel, most likely in their socialized healthcare and pharmaceutical industries.
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Israel Helps US Security, Say Ex-Clinton, Bush Aides 10/31/2011 Israel advanced American national security interests, according to a report by former aides to presidents Clinton and Bush that contradicts Obama advisors who claim that Israel endangers U.S. soldiers. Robert D. Blackwill, who was deputy national security advisor for strategic planning in the administration of George W. Bush, and Walter B. Slocombe, undersecretary of defense for policy in the Clinton administration, wrote a brief summary of their research in the Los Angeles Times Monday morning. Walter Slocombe, Israel news photo: Wikimedia Commons/ US Defense Dept. Israel advanced American national security interests, according to a report by former aides to presidents Clinton and Bush that contradicts Obama advisors who claim that Israel endangers U.S. soldiers. Robert D. Blackwill, who was deputy national security advisor for strategic planning in the administration of George W. Bush, and Walter B. Slocombe, undersecretary of defense for policy in the Clinton administration, wrote a brief summary of their research in the Los Angeles Times Monday morning. The full report is entitled "Israel: A Strategic Asset for the United States" and was written for The Washington Institute for Near East Policy. President Barack Obama has harped away at the theme that the United States and Israel share values of democracy and freedom, implying that the American government has a moral obligation to defend Israel. The theory has been the basis for the president and his advisors’ declarations that Israel must agree to demands of the Palestinian Authority (PA) in order not to endanger American security. Blackwill and Slocombe pointed out what they said is an overlooked aspect of the American-Israeli alliance: The many ways in which Israel advances U.S. national interests. “The United States has benefited in the areas of counterterrorism, intelligence and experience in urban warfare," they wrote. "Increasingly, U.S. homeland security and military agencies are turning to Israeli technology to solve some of their most vexing technical and strategic problems." Israel's support includes airport security techniques, unmanned aerial systems (UAVs), defense against short-range rockets and armored vehicle protection. “Israel's national missile defenses – which include the U.S. deployment in Israel of an advanced X-band radar system and the more than 100 American military personnel who man it – will be an integral part of a larger missile defense spanning Europe, the eastern Mediterranean and the Persian Gulf to help protect U.S. forces and allies,” they stated. Without providing details, the authors said that Israeli cooperation with the U.S. military has worked "to advance their common interest in defeating the terrorism of Hamas, Hizbullah and Al Qaeda and its affiliate groups, and preventing nuclear proliferation in the region.” They did specify one instance – Israel’s passing on to the United States "conclusive photographic evidence in 2007 that Syria, with North Korean assistance, had made enormous strides toward ‘going hot’ with a plutonium- producing reactor." Israel, without officially saying so, bombed the site in northern Syria three years ago. The former presidential advisers pointed out that despite disagreements over the "peace process," Iran and Israel’s defense exports to China, collaboration is more frequent. However, Blackwill and Slocombe did not dismiss the peace process, which has fallen apart and is widely considered to be dead and buried. “Arab-Israel peace treaties are the anchor of American national interests in the Middle East,” they stated. Nevertheless, they dismissed claims that the alliance with Israel has prevented the United States from establishing closer ties with Arab countries. “Would Saudi Arabia's policies toward the United States, for example, be markedly different if Washington entered into a sustained crisis with Israel over the Palestine issue?” they asked. “Would Riyadh lower the price of oil?... Would it view American democracy promotion in the Middle East more favorably?... No."
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Just about all the "benefits" listed are related to war. There's intelligence, upgrades to various machines of war, military influence, regime control, Israel as an unsinkable US aircraft carrier..... all of these things promote some military advantage, and many of these conflicts would never have happened if Israel did not exist, so it's disingenous to point to war successes that happened with Israel while ignoring the fact that without Israel, there wouldn't have been these wars to begin with. How about a list of peaceful, constructive contributions that actually increase the standard of living for Americans? Is there trade between the US and Israel? Tourism? Is there some economic advantage to the US that doesn't involve war and combat, both of which are destructive to the standard of living by it's very nature? And why is Israel actively campaigning for the release of convicted Israeli spy Jonathon Pollard? Isn't doing that pretty much admitting that yes, he was spying on the US for the benefit of Israel?
Israel defended herself against attack and annihilation,and only did this as a favor to America??????? I bet they attacked the USS Liberty and killed (34 killed) and wounded (170) all those US sailors in a effort to ease strain on our budget,too. After all,we no longer had to pay the salaries of those dead sailors,and if they had been successful at sinking the USS Liberty,we wouldn't have had to spend any money repaired it and keeping it fit to go to sea. In the 1967-1970 1000 Day War of Attrition, the IDF, armed with American aircraft successfully defeated a Soviet-supplied air defense system, pointing out the deficiencies in Soviet air-defense doctrine to US defense planners. Israel shared captured military equipment include P-2 radar and Soviet tanks with the U.S. military. WOW! And once again,the only reason she defended herself against attack and certain annihilation was to help America refine our aircraft and tactics? WADDA GREAT BUNCHA UNSELFISH GUYS! Why no mention of Israel sharing US technology with the Soviet Union in exchange for the release of Soviet Jews? I'm sure there must have been some reason for that that benefited the US. In 1970, Israel brought about the withdrawal of Syrian forces from Jordan, at a time when the U.S. was tied up by wars in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia,.... WOW,once again! They actually defended themselves against attack so that we wouldn't have to pull our forces out of VN,Laos,and Cambodia in order to do their fighting for them! How could they possibly be more considerate of us than that? In 1973 – thanks to U.S. re-supply, but without U.S. forces, Israel defeated Soviet-trained and equipped Egyptian and Syrian forces. Israel again shared captured Soviet equipment, including T-62 battle tanks with the U.S. Israel emerged as the only reliable ally where U.S. troops could land, where U.S. equipment can be pre-positioned, where the U.S. has friendly port facilities (in Haifa and Ashdod) in the entire Middle East region. This too has saved the U.S. billions of dollars. Uh,huh. And look at just how handy all this was when we went to liberate Kuwait from......,uhhhhh,never mind. 1970s - Joseph Sisco, a former U.S. Assistant Secretary of State, assistant to Secretary of State Henry Kissinger during the latter’s shuttle diplomacy, told the Israeli author and military expert, Shmuel Katz: “I want to assure you, Mr. Katz, that if we were not getting full value for our money, you would not get a cent from us.” Oh,well! If you can't believe the lying self-serving assholes that populate the US State Department and that self-centered lying sack of shit Henry Kissinger (who just happens to be Jewish) ,who CAN you believe? In 1981, Israel bombed the Iraqi nuclear reactor at Osirak.... And they did it all for widdle ole us! Maybe we should just disband our entire defense establishment and allow Israel to do all our fighting for us? I think I am starting to detect a pattern,here. YJ Draiman, officially running for mayor of Los Angeles - 2013 REALLY? Are you sure he's not running for mayor of Tel Aviv or Jerusalem instead? Is this guy registered as a lobbyist for Israel? If not,why not?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Your undocumented juvenile response is exactly what I expected, from a senile juvenile. Try harder asshole, I think you spit on your chin from your excitement. You haven't refuted a damn thing I posted.
"OWS! Liberals! Their goal is to find a way to live within the means of the working class rich, but without the work."
Blah,blah,blah,you psychotic bitch. If you are such a big fan of Israel,why don't you take your tired old wrinkled ass over there to live and leave America for Americans? You haven't refuted a damn thing I posted. I refuted EVERYTHING you posted. Israel didn't do a single ONE of the things you posted to benefit America. They did them all to benefit Israel.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
That is satans plan. You know for Israel not to exist. You say you are a christian. I believe you. Have you read about the return of the Jews to Israel. It is fulfilled prophecy. Israel are the good guys. The Muslims are anti christ people who don't want the Bible to be true. To bad it is true. Israel exists and the muslims can pray to allah (not you pinguin) all they want. Allah isn't going to do anything about Israel. Mohammad was a pedophile who made up the Koran.
Where are Ysrael's borders? And why don't they have any?
Religion + State = Death....always...8D How many Ysraeli banksters have been arrested? When will we start doing that? When does our military get cut in 1/2? Why don't we talk about the ElAl jet that took off from JFK the night of 9/11 when no one else could? 8D
After the return of the Jews comes the destruction of Israel.
Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890
If that is true. Then quote. Thanks.
If God has a plan, it will be fulfilled with or without our help or encouragement. But the New Testament makes it clear that all people are the "chosen people", and it is not for us to view some as inherently more chosen than others. That title no longer belongs exclusively to the Jews, and by Christian theology hasn't since Jesus died 2000 years ago. It's very unfortunate that many Christians have fallen into the delusion of promoting war and death in order to further a perceived prophecy. This is absolutely NOT what Christians are called to do. What's happening today is simply another form of the criminal error made by the crusaders 1000 years ago.
I agree with that. No reason for us to be involved over there. I"m for bringing troops home to secure the border.
I don't think it says all people. I think what you are referring to is that people who are saved are considered grafted into spiritual Jews. Not the unsaved.
I'm pretty sure you know that I don't support any of these wars. Never have.
I see it a bit differently. These are not catholic crusades. This is for control or resources and real estate.
To bad it is true. Israel exists and the muslims can pray to allah (not you pinguin) all they want. Allah isn't going to do anything about Israel. "Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]." Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890
Bears repeating!
Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890
I think what you are referring to is that people who are saved are considered grafted into spiritual Jews. Not the unsaved. Have it your way, there was no actual reason for Jesus Christ to appear and evidently he was just a sham. Your salvation lies with your supporting the modern day Jewish state. Go for it.
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#2. To: Murron (#0)
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WHAT ISRAEL DOES FOR THE UNITED STATES and MUCH MORE
#3. To: All (#0)
#4. To: Murron (#0)
#5. To: Murron, *Crime and Corruption*, *Military or Vets Affairs*, *Hypocrisy and Hypocrites*, *Politics and Politicians* (#0)
In 1967, Israel defeated a radical Arab, pro-Soviet offensive, which threatened to bring about the collapse of pro-American Arab regimes and disrupt oil supply, thus severely undermining the American standard of living.
#6. To: sneakypete (#5)
#7. To: Murron (#6)
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Your undocumented juvenile response is exactly what I expected, from a senile juvenile.
#8. To: Pinguinite (#4)
if Israel did not exist
#9. To: Murron (#0)
#10. To: A K A Stone (#8)
#11. To: A K A Stone (#8)
Have you read about the return of the Jews to Israel. It is fulfilled prophecy.
#12. To: lucysmom (#11)
After the return of the Jews comes the destruction of Israel.
#13. To: A K A Stone (#8)
Have you read about the return of the Jews to Israel. It is fulfilled prophecy.
#14. To: Pinguinite (#13)
If God has a plan, it will be fulfilled with or without our help or encouragement.
#15. To: Pinguinite (#13)
But the New Testament makes it clear that all people are the "chosen people",
#16. To: Pinguinite (#13)
It's very unfortunate that many Christians have fallen into the delusion of promoting war and death in order to further a perceived prophecy.
#17. To: Pinguinite (#13)
What's happening today is simply another form of the criminal error made by the crusaders 1000 years ago.
#18. To: A K A Stone (#8)
Israel are the good guys. The Muslims are anti christ people who don't want the Bible to be true.
#19. To: Pinguinite (#13)
If God has a plan, it will be fulfilled with or without our help or encouragement.
#20. To: A K A Stone (#15)
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I don't think it says all people.
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