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Title: Germany Threatens To Halt Submarine Sale to Israel
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SPIEGEL ONLINE
URL Source: http://www.spiegel.de/international ... ,1518,794991,00.html#ref=nlint
Published: Oct 31, 2011
Author: SPIEGEL ONLINE
Post Date: 2011-10-31 19:13:16 by Brian S
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Germany is threatening to stop the delivery of a "Dolphin" submarine to Israel in protest over the country's settlement policies. Government sources confirmed the development when asked by SPIEGEL following speculation last week in the Israeli media that Germany might halt the sale. The move is in response to the recent decision by the Israeli government to approve the construction of 1,100 homes in Gilo, an Arab part of Jerusalem captured from Jordan in the 1967 Six Day War. The Israeli government considers the area to be a Jewish suburb, but the international community contests that description. The threat by German Chancellor Angela Merkel has been the subject of considerable concern in Israel. The nuclear-weapons capable Dolphin submarines are an important part of the Israeli military strategy. The navy already owns three of the submarines and two further vessels are currently being built by Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft (HDW), the shipbuilding division of German steelmaker Thyssen-Krupp, in Kiel, Germany. This summer, the German government approved €135 million ($189 million) in funding to assist Israel with the purchase of a sixth Dolphin submarine over the next four years. Now, however, that deal for the sixth submarine is in jeopardy. In addition to its capability of firing nuclear warheads, the submarine also has a larger cruising range because of its advanced modern fuel-cell propulsion technology. Germany has been delivering submarines to Israel since the end of the 1990s following the first Gulf War. The first two submarines given to Israel were entirely subsidized by the German government, but those subsidies are being reduced with each additional purchase. Under the current program, the government is subsidizing one-third of the cost of the submarine. 'A Five-Year Plan on Holocaust Reparations' In January, SPIEGEL reported on a United States diplomatic cable obtained by WikiLeaks dating back to January 2005 indicating that the partial subsidization of some submarine sales could be a backchannel diplomatic response to demands for Holocaust reparations payments made by Israel at the time. An advisor to then-prime minister Ariel Sharon informed the United States Embassy in Tel Aviv of a "five-year plan on Holocaust-era reparations, pensions and restitution." The document cited the advisor stating that the plan envisioned the Israeli government calling for Germany to take over responsibility for restitution payments that had been ignored by East Germany in the sum of around $500 million, "possibly in the form of new German-made submarines." It was a portion of a 1953 German-Israeli reparations agreement "that had been attributed to East Germany, but never paid." A member of the working group from the prime minister's office contended "that such a GOI claim would not violate any 'closure' agreements about Holocaust-era claims because it would be based on the unfulfilled portion of a pre-existing agreement." The timing of the demand was good because in 2005, Germany and Israel celebrated 40 years of diplomatic relations. Redress also played a role in the submarine deals at the time, sources with knowledge of it confirmed to SPIEGEL in January. Then-Chancellor Gerhard Schröder approved the deal for the submarine exports during his last days in office in November 2005.
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#35. To: Murron (#3)
It won't be Germany who pays next time. Though who knows? I think Israel has what they call a "Samson Option", named of course for the biblical character who after his capture killed himself and thousands of others by destroying the structure he was restrained in. I pretty much expect that if the day comes where Israel is facing destruction at the hands of some future army, they would simply nuke any cities of any countries they felt betrayed them just out of spite. Whatever the Germans did to the Jews, why didn't they make Germany give up a slice of their land to make a Jewish state? Why did the Arabs and others in the ME region have to give up their land for it? How would Americans feel if the PTB's of the day decided to make Delaware into the new Jewish state?
She also approves of Israel stealing other peoples land, as does Stonehead.
"our blacks are so much better than their blacks" - (M)ann Coulter
That presupposes Arabs have feeling just like other human beings.
Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890
Hopefully they won't demand a 500 mile red neck free zone.
"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.
The present inhabitants of the Jewish state maintain an ancient, ancestral connection to their modern homeland. A Jewish nation flourished on the territory of today’s Israel for more than a thousand years prior to mass exiles by the Roman occupiers. The pioneers of the Zionist movement felt that they were coming home, speaking the same Hebrew language that their forebears spoke, rebuilding the cities and towns that had been part of the people’s history for millennia. When settlers arrived in North America, however, none of them suggested that they were reconnecting with some forgotten homeland, or re-establishing a national presence on the sacred soil of long-ago ancestors. They claimed America as their inheritance because they chose to live there, and toiled tirelessly and courageously to establish a beautiful society on a promising but underpopulated continent. Long before Israelis defended themselves against invading Arab armies in their war of independence, leading international organizations recognized the right of Jews to settle there and establish a new nation. The British Empire authorized a “Jewish National Home” in today’s Israel in 1917, followed by the League of Nations, in 1923, and finally the United Nations, in 1948, with near- universal recognition of the new state. America-haters and Israel-haters, almost always the same people, regularly denounce both nations for building their prosperity and power on genocidal crimes against indigenous inhabitants of their territory. It’s not true in either case, but in the United States the arrival of European settlers did result in an undeniable reduction in native populations, from an estimate of 3 million Native Americans when the British first arrived to less than 250,000 by 1900. (The numbers have rebounded sharply in the last century.) By contrast, the Palestinian population never declined during the period of Jewish resettlement of the ancestral homeland; since Israeli independence, the Palestinian Arab population between the Jordan River and the sea, including Israel proper and all areas claimed by the Palestinian Authority, increased by nearly 500 percent. Even in the decade of the celebrated Palestinian refugees, 1941–50, internationally recognized population figures show a slight increase in Palestinian population in the area, from 1,111,398 to 1,172,100. Without a historic connection to the land or endorsement by world organizations— and with the unmistakable, drastic decline of indigenous peoples as the result of American nation building—how can the United States possibly justify its right to exist? The answer is easy, on the Fourth of July or any other occasion, as our forebears built a great nation from the ground up, then defended it with valor and determination through almost incessant warfare, and somehow managed to forge a new identity and vibrant culture in the process, assimilating idealistic immigrants from around the world. To an amazing extent, Israelis have accomplished the same feats in a shorter time, creating a complex, dynamic society barely envisioned when resettlement began in 1880s, and even reviving an ancient and distinctive language that hadn’t been used in daily conversation for at least two millennia. The three-dimensional actuality of its flourishing cities (with the metropolis Tel Aviv founded on desolate sand dunes in 1909), great universities, reforested hillsides, network of national parks, superhighways, and high-tech research centers, the idea of questioning the nation’s existence seems every bit as unthinkable as challenging the reality of the United States. "OWS! Liberals! Their goal is to find a way to live within the means of the working class rich, but without the work."
minginggold: "She believes that she can steal other's hard work, their intellectual property, and call it her own. And arrogantly shows not one iota of remorse or apology when called on it." Skip Intro: "She also approves of Israel stealing other peoples land, as does Stonehead." Ping to #39. If either of you cannot give a legitimate and sane answer to that post, then you both will have proven you do not have any intellectual intelligence beyond that of group think, and cannot rise above personal attacks and prefer to remain STUPID! Prove me wrong~
"OWS! Liberals! Their goal is to find a way to live within the means of the working class rich, but without the work."
Your post 39 does it for me.
"our blacks are so much better than their blacks" - (M)ann Coulter
Had she originally had the gonads to attribute it to Micheal Medved rather than link to the source, I wouldn't have bothered with the apples to oranges rant. But Murron does at least admit genocide is involved and since it's admitted it must be intentional.
"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.
Your source is simply a commentator giving an opinion. I also had ancestors inhabiting places on earth 3000 years ago. Does that give me the right to go back to those areas and kick out whomever might have ancestors going back only 2000, 200, or 20 years ago? If you believe this, do you also believe in returning North America to the native Indians? Where do you draw the line? Or are today's "Israelis" really special people above and beyond the rest of humanity?
I beleive in this comparsion with all my heart, and I could ask you the same question about Europeans who conquered this land, and I do. What is your true reason for your hate of the jewish nation, what have they ever done to you personally? Israel is our ONLY ally in the ME, do you expect that if the jews were somehow eliminated, or uprooted and run off, that the islamic savages who are left will somehow suddenly become your best friends?
"OWS! Liberals! Their goal is to find a way to live within the means of the working class rich, but without the work."
You mean Iraq doesn't love us? What about Saudi Arabia? What about Egypt? We sure seem to love them, seeing how much money we give them every single year.
"our blacks are so much better than their blacks" - (M)ann Coulter
We sure seem to love them, seeing how much money we give them every single year. No they do not Skip, as for the money, you have our leaders to thank for throwing our money away this way. No amount of extortion money they pay will save this nation from their hate of anyoone who is not a believe of allah. They're attention right now is on Israel, once taken care of, we will be next.
"OWS! Liberals! Their goal is to find a way to live within the means of the working class rich, but without the work."
Saudi Arabia already took care of us on 9/11. We still love them. In fact we love them so much that we allowed the relatives of the alleged perp to fly out of the US when everyone else was grounded.
"our blacks are so much better than their blacks" - (M)ann Coulter
I remember....
"OWS! Liberals! Their goal is to find a way to live within the means of the working class rich, but without the work."
All countries are ruled by the current band of occupiers. The country remains theirs as long as they can hold on to it. There is no divine right of occupation; there is no right of occupation at all. It all depends on who has the strength to throw the other guy(s) out. The US is going through this right now, just as Mexico and Spain, Britain and France did here in the past. It's the natural order of things. The problem with Israel is that its actions can affect us all, just like a minor incident in the damned Balkans led to WWI and then to WWII. Personally, I don't want to see the world set on fire because of the actions of an insignificant state.
"our blacks are so much better than their blacks" - (M)ann Coulter
Hate them? I guess everyone who criticizes Israel automatically *hates* the "jewish nation", is that it? The heavy criticism I have is that they bomb and kill innocent men, women and children. They take their land. They lobby Washington so hard that they can openly campaign for the release of a man who spied for them against the USA (no doubt in part to give assurances to current spies that should they be caught that Israel will do it's best to give them a big welcome and free citizenship in Israel), get 3 billion dollars a year in free money, much of which snakes back into campaign contributions for those who favor the country, (which is why they get so much alliances in Congress). As a US citizen, I would think that would be sufficient grounds to be "personally" affected by them. It is very unfortunate that the Jewish faith pretty much teaches that gentiles exist to serve them. Goldi on LP told me herself long ago that Jews were not allowed to charge other Jews interest on loans. Now if whites did that, it would be considered racist, but when Jews do it, it's okay. So many christians in the US adhere to this idea that the Jews are the "chosen people", and it's very unfortunate as it enables those Jews who also believe it to disregard the rights of the rest of the world. Many Jews are not zionists and don't believe Israel should exist as a political entity. Those are the Jews I agree with. If Israel was truly an ally of the US, then they would not be spying on the US. But again, Israel believes that the USA exists to serve them so they can operate to that end without being inhibited by conscience. So to the contrary, The US is the only ally of Israel, and if it weren't, we'd have a lot more friends in the ME since there would be much less cause for them to hate us as much as we do. Let's be clear. We don't need Israel for squat. If it disappeared overnight, there would be zero economic impact on the USA. We would still be importing and exporting all the same stuff. Our relations with the other ME countries would actually improve. I challenge anyone who thinks otherwise to give one example of how their disappearance would adversely affect the USA. No, we don't need Israel. Israel needs the USA. I honestly believe that Israel may well be the biggest disaster the US has endured in the 2nd half of the 20th century.
Israel is a literal and figurative bulwark against a cross continental Arab- Muslim empire. It inhibits pan-totalitarianism in the forms of Arab nationalism and Islamic fundamentalism. America faces a current crisis of diminished credibility in the face of its enemies. America pulled out of Lebanon, pulled out of Mogadishu, responded weakly to embassy bombings in 1998, and did not respond at all to the USS Cole attack. By promoting the significance of Israel through aid and defense, the US markets an identity that it will fight back to its enemies in the Arab-Muslim world. This premise was also behind the war in Iraq. From this standpoint, the war has been a success. Israel is significant because it will contribute to the growth of a democratized Palestinian state. With pressure exerted from both democracies, Israel and America, Abbas and the PA will be expected to bring an end to violence by reining in and quashing terrorists. More democracy in the region will contribute to the overall goal of regional stability and mark a great victory for the west in its war against Islamic fundamentalism. It is also important to consider the large debate currently going on in political and academic circles over what to call the last four years of war between Israel and the Palestinians. Some argue it should be the Oslo War while others say it should be the war against the occupation. In reality, the last four years of war between Israel and the Palestinians has in effect been the clash of civilizations. Israel has defended the West against its enemies. This marks the true significance of Israel and why American and western support for Israel is so important. ************************** These are not my words, but they speak for me and what I think, I have never been very good at enunciating how I feel, maybe you will understand this better than anything I could post. And another thing, I also believe the Jews are God's chosen, they may have been cursed by Him at one time, but there will come a day when he has forgiven them and He will help to destroy anyone who attacks His people, and Bless those who defend them. I cannot help you if you do not believe this, that is your choice, we all have a Free Will. jmho! PS: Sally/Goldi does not, nor will she ever, speak for me, and I don't think the little knowledge she's found about herself gives her the right to speak for ALL jews, especially the jewish people who live in our area, they DO PAY INTEREST ON THEIR LOANS. She really should choose an individual or group she knows, then tell her story, her brush is broad, jews as people are not much different than any other people, you have your good, and you have your bad.
"OWS! Liberals! Their goal is to find a way to live within the means of the working class rich, but without the work."
The heavy criticism I have is that they bomb and kill innocent men, women and children. They take their land. What a bunch of shit, Neil. Are you posting this bullshit from South America while avoiding tax evasion charges? The Jewish people bought and OWNED and developed that land from Ottoman merchants in the late 19th Century. Those Palestinians are squatters who the Israelis have graciously allowed to continue to reside. The Israelis just want to protect themselves from being bombed out of existence. You meet every definition of a useful idiot. Are you arguing with South American authorities about why you don't need a driver's licence?
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
The Jewish people bought and OWNED and developed that land from Ottoman merchants in the late 19th Century. Those Palestinians are squatters who the Israelis have graciously allowed to continue to reside. The Israelis just want to protect themselves from being bombed out of existence. You meet every definition of a useful idiot. Are you arguing with South American authorities about why you don't need a driver's licence? Why do those who don't worship at the Altar of Moolah piss you guys off so much?
"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.
You defend a UN created State, and would be willing to take your own nation to war to defend it, and have the nerve to call others useful idiots?
No one has asked you to worship anything you STUPID bimbo, but I suppose your sort of ignorant comic relief is better than none, you sure aren't good for anything else, least of all, thinking and comprehending!
"OWS! Liberals! Their goal is to find a way to live within the means of the working class rich, but without the work."
DID THE UNITED NATIONS CREATE THE MODERN STATE OF ISRAEL? United Nations General Assembly Resolution no. 181 of 1947 (commonly known as the Palestine Partition Plan) recommended the creation from all of the lands of Mandatory Palestine west of the Jordan River, representing 22% of original Mandatory Palestine, a Jewish state (comprising slightly less than 11% of the Land), an Arab state (comprising slightly less than 11% of the Land) and an internationally-administered greater Jerusalem. It is often asserted that the modern State of Israel was created by this Resolution as a byproduct of Europe's alleged guilty conscience over its complicity in the Holocaust. Although widely accepted as an unassailable truism, this assertion is quite false. Israel’s juridical birth certificate is the pre-Holocaust League of Nations Mandate for Palestine of 1922 (provisionally operative from 1920) -- not the post-Holocaust United Nations Palestine Partition Plan of 1947. Moreover, the Mandate was itself explicitly based upon the preexisting “historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country” (Mandate for Palestine, Preamble, Paragraph 3). The Mandate for Palestine states, in salient part, as follows: MANDATE FOR PALESTINE The Council of the League of Nations: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and Whereas by the aforementioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations; Confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows: ARTICLE 1 The Mandatory shall have full powers of legislation and of administration, save as they may be limited by the terms of this Mandate. ARTICLE 2 The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the Preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. ARTICLE 3 The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy. ARTICLE 4 An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognized as a public body for the purpose of advising and cooperating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration, to assist and take part in the development of the country. The Zionist Organization, so long as its organization and constitution are, in the opinion of the Mandatory, appropriate, shall be recognized as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the cooperation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home. ARTICLE 5 The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of, the Government of any foreign Power. ARTICLE 6 The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in cooperation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the Land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes. ARTICLE 7 The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.
"OWS! Liberals! Their goal is to find a way to live within the means of the working class rich, but without the work."
There are some information resources on the net which indicate that the British East India Co [Levant]...which was being opposed in its financial/ geostrategic imperatives by France,Egypt and Damascus, When one consider's who bombing Libya to smithereens and running people powered coups.....CIA/AFRICOM..other players,corp interest etc,
America faces a current crisis of diminished credibility in the face of its enemies. America pulled out of Lebanon, pulled out of Mogadishu, responded weakly to embassy bombings in 1998, and did not respond at all to the USS Cole attack. By promoting the significance of Israel through aid and defense, the US markets an identity that it will fight back to its enemies in the Arab-Muslim world. This premise was also behind the war in Iraq. From this standpoint, the war has been a success. Israel is significant because it will contribute to the growth of a democratized Palestinian state. With pressure exerted from both democracies, Israel and America, Abbas and the PA will be expected to bring an end to violence by reining in and quashing terrorists. More democracy in the region will contribute to the overall goal of regional stability and mark a great victory for the west in its war against Islamic fundamentalism. It is also important to consider the large debate currently going on in political and academic circles over what to call the last four years of war between Israel and the Palestinians. Some argue it should be the Oslo War while others say it should be the war against the occupation. In reality, the last four years of war between Israel and the Palestinians has in effect been the clash of civilizations. Israel has defended the West against its enemies. This marks the true significance of Israel and why American and western support for Israel is so important. A couple posts ago, you asked me what Israel had done to me personally to earn my harsh criticism, so let me ask you why it is important to you --personally-- that the US is so involved in the ME as described above? The bottom line is it's none of our business. The average American has no material interest in what goes on over there. The vast majority of Americans who do care only do so out of some flagwaving, arm-chair quarterbacking sense of pride and nothing else, and for that they've been willing to sacrifice the blood of American troops that they conveniently don't know personally, of course. A minority who care simply have a huge financial interest in something, in this case oil. This author, and by extension you, say there are "enemies" of ours there, and you previously implied they had no feelings. If they are enemies, they are enemies for a reason. Do you care what that reason is? If you think it's just in their blood to hate us and lack the real human element of "feelings" then it seems reasonable that you should want them exterminated. Is that the case?
The Jewish people bought and OWNED and developed that land from Ottoman merchants in the late 19th Century. Those Palestinians are squatters who the Israelis have graciously allowed to continue to reside. The Israelis just want to protect themselves from being bombed out of existence. You meet every definition of a useful idiot. Are you arguing with South American authorities about why you don't need a driver's licence? Question, gnu.... do you criticize me for what I did, or my motives for doing it? If it's my motives, then I can only assume you are all in favor of big government and a heavy police state. If you agree with my motives but criticize my actions, then I guess I'll ask you what *you* have done to try to restrain government. Anything that constitutes real action or just posted on web forums? If you want me to rebut your comment about Israel, then keeping the subject limited to that, and not about me would be better protocol. Other than that, I'd encourage you to not commit libel, which you basically did with the above.
If I thought you actually thought that, I would have posted it DIRECTLY to you.
"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.
I doubt your post will get any consideration from those 'Christians' who look to modern day Jews as the primary source of their salvatrion.
"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.
Because of the bitching and moaning here about the aid we have given to Israel, I've posted an article that lists what Israel does for the US, and what I have found is, their aid to us is PRICELESS. You have NO legitimate reason that makes sense to blow off Israel as our ally except (take your pick) PURE HATE, ENVY, JEALOUSY. Israel has NEVER been a threat to us, and never will be, except in your hate filled heart. JMHO!
"OWS! Liberals! Their goal is to find a way to live within the means of the working class rich, but without the work."
Ya.....you can point out that both the Old and New Testament are redacted edit,are fiction,fraud and forgery accounts...with several demand theme's affixed to both. Hebrews are real....that history is hidden and peaks out some from a few places in the OT which the redactors used....and which leave tell tale evidences that can be traced...if you know when and where to look.
The 'article' you posted is another opinion piece.
"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.
My hate-filled heart? I'm not the one claiming entire populations "lack feelings" like "other human beings". I do have contempt for Israel and all its done. But the hate you project upon me is, I would surmise, your own.
For sure dude.
The UN didn't create Israel. Quick tell me the General of the UN who kicked the mulsims out.
Israel has NEVER been a threat to us, and never will be, except in your hate filled heart. JMHO! Most people that dislike/hate the Jews "DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY" they dislike/hate the Jews...... It's all because others do, so they just tag along..... Or it's because they hate themselves but won't admit it, so they spew against others....
"CHANGE" you can step in..... Since when is asking a question libel?
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
I have very legitimate reasons, though they may not be legitimate to you. I take our founders idea of non-intervention seriously. President Thomas Jefferson extended Washington's ideas in his March 4, 1801 inaugural address: "peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none." Jefferson's phrase "entangling alliances" is, incidentally, sometimes incorrectly attributed to Washington.[2] In 1823, President James Monroe articulated what would come to be known as the Monroe Doctrine, which some have interpreted as non-interventionist in intent: "In the wars of the European powers, in matters relating to themselves, we have never taken part, nor does it comport with our policy, so to do. It is only when our rights are invaded, or seriously menaced that we resent injuries, or make preparations for our defense." After Tsar Alexander II put down the 1863 January Uprising in Poland, French Emperor Napoleon III asked the United States to "join in a protest to the Tsar."[3] Secretary of State William H. Seward declined, "defending 'our policy of non-intervention — straight, absolute, and peculiar as it may seem to other nations,'" and insisted that "[t]he American people must be content to recommend the cause of human progress by the wisdom with which they should exercise the powers of self-government, forbearing at all times, and in every way, from foreign alliances, intervention, and interference."[3] The United States' policy of non-intervention was maintained throughout most of the 19th century. The first significant foreign intervention by the US was the Spanish-American War, which saw the US occupy and control the Philippines. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_non-interventionism#No_entangling_alliances_.2819th_century.29
United Nations General Assembly Resolution no. 181 of 1947 (commonly known as the Palestine Partition Plan) recommended the creation from all of the lands of Mandatory Palestine west of the Jordan River, representing 22% of original Mandatory Palestine, a Jewish state (comprising slightly less than 11% of the Land), an Arab state (comprising slightly less than 11% of the Land) and an internationally-administered greater Jerusalem. Israel’s juridical birth certificate is the pre-Holocaust League of Nations Mandate for Palestine of 1922 (provisionally operative from 1920) -- not the post-Holocaust United Nations Palestine Partition Plan of 1947. Moreover, the Mandate was itself explicitly based upon the preexisting “historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country” (Mandate for Palestine, Preamble, Paragraph 3). UN, League of Nations, what's the difference?
libel: "Are you posting this bullshit from South America while avoiding tax evasion charges?" I hope he hangs your worthless ass out to dry, 1000 screen names. Someone will, someday.
"our blacks are so much better than their blacks" - (M)ann Coulter
I'll second that.
A seminal event had to take place before the ball could get rolling. Germany and it's allies had to first use up their scarce energy resources by burning in inefficient ovens or burying, the 6 million. Of which only a fraction of that could actually be proven to have lived in Nazi controlled Europe in the first place.
"ROTFLMAO... Perfect! She longs... for someone to Teabag her. a man that squats on top of a women's face and lowers his genitals into her mouth during sex, known as "teabagging" She aches for it"... ~~~JWpegler. Head Tea Bagger and Tea Party supporter extraordinaire, explicitly expressing his fantasies in public about other posters.
Israel’s juridical birth certificate is the pre-Holocaust League of Nations Mandate for Palestine of 1922 (provisionally operative from 1920) -- not the post-Holocaust United Nations Palestine Partition Plan of 1947. Moreover, the Mandate was itself explicitly based upon the preexisting “historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country” (Mandate for Palestine, Preamble, Paragraph 3). UN, League of Nations, what's the difference? The UN didn't create Israel. The League of Nations didn't either. Israel predates both of those institutions. The UN recognized Israel. So what. They were in no position to force recognition of anyone by anyone.
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#36. To: mininggold (#31)
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She believes that she can steal other's hard work, their intellectual property, and call it her own. And arrogantly shows not one iota of remorse or apology when called on it.
#37. To: Pinguinite (#35)
Why did the Arabs and others in the ME region have to give up their land for it? How would Americans feel if the PTB's of the day decided to make Delaware into the new Jewish state?
#38. To: Pinguinite (#35)
How would Americans feel if the PTB's of the day decided to make Delaware into the new Jewish state?
#39. To: Pinguinite (#35)
"Why did the Arabs and others in the ME region have to give up their land for it? How would Americans feel if the PTB's of the day decided to make Delaware into the new Jewish state?"
#40. To: Skip Intro, minginggold, A K A Stone (#36)
#41. To: Murron (#40)
#42. To: Skip Intro, Murron (#41)
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Your post 39 does it for me.
#43. To: Murron (#39)
#44. To: Pinguinite (#43)
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Or are today's "Israelis" really special people above and beyond the rest of humanity?
#45. To: Murron (#44)
Israel is our ONLY ally in the ME
#46. To: Skip Intro (#45)
You mean Iraq doesn't love us? What about Saudi Arabia? What about Egypt?
#47. To: Murron (#46)
#48. To: Skip Intro (#47)
Saudi Arabia already took care of us on 9/11. We still love them. In fact we love them so much that we allowed the relatives of the alleged perp to fly out of the US when everyone else was grounded.
#49. To: Pinguinite (#43)
I also had ancestors inhabiting places on earth 3000 years ago. Does that give me the right to go back to those areas and kick out whomever might have ancestors going back only 2000, 200, or 20 years ago?
#50. To: Murron (#44)
What is your true reason for your hate of the jewish nation, what have they ever done to you personally?
Israel is our ONLY ally in the ME, do you expect that if the jews were somehow eliminated, or uprooted and run off, that the islamic savages who are left will somehow suddenly become your best friends?
#51. To: Pinguinite (#50)
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"I honestly believe that Israel may well be the biggest disaster the US has endured in the 2nd half of the 20th century."
#52. To: Pinguinite (#50)
Hate them? I guess everyone who criticizes Israel automatically *hates* the "jewish nation", is that it?
#53. To: no gnu taxes (#52)
What a bunch of shit, Neil. Are you posting this bullshit from South America while avoiding tax evasion charges?
#54. To: no gnu taxes (#52)
You meet every definition of a useful idiot.
#55. To: mininggold (#53)
Why do those who don't worship at the Altar of Moolah piss you guys off so much?
#56. To: We The People, no gnu taxes (#54)
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"You defend a UN created State, and would be willing to take your own nation to war to defend it, and have the nerve to call others useful idiots?"
#57. To: Murron, We The People, no gnu taxes (#56)
It is often asserted that the modern State of Israel was created by this Resolution as a byproduct of Europe's alleged guilty conscience over its complicity in the Holocaust.
created* the theme of Zionism and a homeland for the Jews in Palestine as leverage against the above named. Some view Israels return to the land a prophecy,..others the long journey of manipulation by Jews to return. I would suggest the only group with power to influence the halls of power in England would be the British East India Co and her obvious Masonic reach via a history of hundreds of years.....oh..and a good performer she was...except for when she ran off the lease concerning Opium and India/Afghanistan etc : )
its not difficult to see why the Palestinian mandate was manipulated.
Jews of course believe they did it all,.....but I don't think so.
You might note the failed attempt by the British and French to take Suez Canal from Egypt.
oh....Israel is pure leverage.
I'd be lookin over my shoulder if I were them,...the Globalists will use her and discard her like garbage for their ends meet.
The Globalists burned Europe down twice in 2 horrific wars.
The rattling of war sabre's now is bad karma.
#58. To: Murron (#51)
Israel is a literal and figurative bulwark against a cross continental Arab- Muslim empire. It inhibits pan-totalitarianism in the forms of Arab nationalism and Islamic fundamentalism.
#59. To: no gnu taxes (#52)
What a bunch of shit, Neil. Are you posting this bullshit from South America while avoiding tax evasion charges?
#60. To: Murron (#55)
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No one has asked you to worship anything you STUPID bimbo, but I suppose your sort of ignorant comic relief is better than none, you sure aren't good for anything else, least of all, thinking and comprehending!
#61. To: Parrot with speed dial, Murron (#57)
There are some information resources on the net which indicate that the British East India Co [Levant]...which was being opposed in its financial/ geostrategic imperatives by France,Egypt and Damascus, created* the theme of Zionism and a homeland for the Jews in Palestine as leverage against the above named. Some view Israels return to the land a prophecy,..others the long journey of manipulation by Jews to return. I would suggest the only group with power to influence the halls of power in England would be the British East India Co and her obvious Masonic reach via a history of hundreds of years.....oh..and a good performer she was...except for when she ran off the lease concerning Opium and India/Afghanistan etc : )
#62. To: Pinguinite (#58)
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#63. To: mininggold (#61)
I doubt your post will get any consideration from those 'Christians' who look to modern day Jews as the primary source of their salvatrion.
Kings David and Solomon are fiction,...most certainly the land area of their Kingdoms [neighbours know nothing of them...record.....nothing of them]
The best actual fix point to a peoples who would* become the IB.RU's [Hebrews]
Is the Hurrian Empire which was very ancient,...Sumer was south of it,
Akkadian Empire east of it.
Hurrians precede your Hittites,Assyrians etc.
By the time their legacy know as the Mitanni exist...you now have Hittite Empire and other Kingdoms.
The Hebrews use the Sumerian calendar from Nippur....5772...this gives it away.
The story of AB.RAM from Ur..is probably a semi true transition account.
His family travels north from Sumer to Paddan Harran,...a major Hurrian trade city.
The Hurrians which have MTDNA lines from the Caucuses,Ararat region etc,...traded ores..were experts in metallugry,..weapon making etc.
a tranch of the Hurrian cast were the Hyksos ...[The Hyksos Kings which sat on the throne in Egypt which was divided for several hundred years.
From Paddan Harran the Hurrian/Sumerian Family of AB.RAM moves down into Canaan
and then to Egypt...which fits...cuz their kin.... is on Egypts throne.
The Jews later redacted various stories and spun things for Oligarchy/Religion mandate..from the dispersion in Babylon...[The Oligarchy wanted back...and needed several things to anchor a people and keep their cast position control/ leverage over peoples]
The Mitanni were known to have Princes and strongmen ruling in Canaan in later ages,....The people of Canaan were used to foreign rule.
IB.RU's exist...are very ancient people's group in a huge melting pot of cultures.
Can't blame their Oligarchy for trying every trick in the book to get the land and power back....in a region of complete chaos and violent war.
Hebrews have a Trade/Banking tranch history going way back....and here...this is their strength,...not the crazed YHWH religion.
#64. To: Murron (#62)
Because of the bitching and moaning here about the aid we have given to Israel, I've posted an article that lists what Israel does for the US, and what I have found is, their aid to us is PRICELESS.
#65. To: Murron (#62)
Israel has NEVER been a threat to us, and never will be, except in your hate filled heart. JMHO!
#66. To: Parrot with speed dial (#57)
.Israel is pure leverage. I'd be lookin over my shoulder if I were them,..
#67. To: We The People (#54)
You defend a UN created State
#68. To: Murron (#62)
You have NO legitimate reason that makes sense to blow off Israel as our ally except (take your pick) PURE HATE, ENVY, JEALOUSY.
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!! Number of shallow, inadequate, hypocritical Leftards who have me on BOZO---3.......... That means I'm doing my job correctly !!!!!!!!!
#69. To: Pinguinite (#59)
I'd encourage you to not commit libel
#70. To: Murron (#62)
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You have NO legitimate reason that makes sense to blow off Israel as our ally except (take your pick) PURE HATE, ENVY, JEALOUSY.
#71. To: A K A Stone (#67)
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The UN didn't create Israel.
#72. To: no gnu taxes (#69)
Since when is asking a question libel?
#73. To: Pinguinite (#58)
The bottom line is it's none of our business.
#74. To: We The People (#71)
UN, League of Nations, what's the difference?
#75. To: We The People (#71)
United Nations General Assembly Resolution no. 181 of 1947 (commonly known as the Palestine Partition Plan) recommended the creation from all of the lands of Mandatory Palestine west of the Jordan River, representing 22% of original Mandatory Palestine, a Jewish state (comprising slightly less than 11% of the Land), an Arab state (comprising slightly less than 11% of the Land) and an internationally-administered greater Jerusalem.
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