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Were there any witnesses or any documentation of the supposed German surrender terms from 1943?
There were several attempts by the German High Command to make a separate peace with the west,and they were all turned down. The most common reason/explanation given is that the Germans wanted a negotiated surrender leaving the Germans in charge of Germany,and the Allies wanted a unconditional surrender. Mostly the Brits and the Soviets.
AFAIK there is zero controversy over this. It is a established historical fact that the German Military kept trying to surrender,and kept getting ignored. Even Rommel was a part of the conspiracy. He managed to avoid being hanged on a meat hook,but a lot of the other senior officers weren't so lucky.
The one German Waffen war hero (Stauffenberg) that tried to blow up Hitler's bunker and kill Hitler. Tom Cruise recently starred in a movie about this and played the role of Stauffenberg. Even though the Allies refused to accept their surrender terms,the senior officers thought killing Hitler would be a good move that might cause public opinion to demand the Allies negotiate a surrender if Hitler were killed.
Here is a interesting link with attempts to kill Hitler listed.
This is the first time I ever heard that Ike was the one that made the decision to do this,though. Probably because the mere suggestion that a theater General or anybody else in the military had the authority to turn down a surrender during a war would result in howls of laughter.
That type of thing is a political decision,not a military one. Soldiers,sailors,and Marines may accept the surrender of enemy soldiers,but it takes a nation to accept the surrender of a nation.
So for all Patton's mouthy warnings and loathing of the Soviets, HE was right, and FDR was wrong. He smelled the stench of rot from DC and had had it.
Yup. Not much doubt about that. Nor is there much doubt that Patton would have beaten Truman like a rented mule if he had came back to the US,put in his retirement papers,and announced he was running for President as a Republican. Patton was the Rock Star General of WW-2. "The American Rommel". He was wildly popular with the citizens for all his victories during the war.
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I'm gonna' give you a little tip, you weren't aware of...
Rat-boy didn't call me a liar and dare me to *prove* my point, because I would have easily done so.
The *only* thing you said today that wasn't a lie, is when you said "the database doesn't lie."
Rat-boy knows that... So give credit where it's due: he wasn't so stupid as to lie, and then challenge me to prove he lied.
YOU were *were*.
And I must confess, today was made FAR more enjoyable, by rubbing your nose in your own shit.
If you choose to pretend it's roses...? Whatever.
We *both* know better.
You're a stupid, LYING bitch, and I *proved* it.
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#335. To: Capitalist Eric, Ferret Mike (#334)(Edited)
Rat-boy knows that... So give credit where it's due: he wasn't so stupid as to lie, and then challenge me to prove he lied.
YOU were *were*.
And I must confess, today was made FAR more enjoyable, by rubbing your nose in your own shit.
If you choose to pretend it's roses...? Whatever.
We *both* know better.
You're a stupid, LYING bitch, and I *proved* it.
I challenged you to put your money where your mouth is twice and you failed both times. I really don't care if Mike wanted to challenge you or not, I did and you as usual came up short again, Vinnie.
Even Libby and Calcon were busting your propaganda pushing ass over there, no wonder you crawled over here like a snake. And I even agree with you about Palin, I just don't agree with your tactics.
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It also extends to civilians dressing up as a military member and trying to access military establishments, files and information.......
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But it seems like I only see the same ones over and over and over..... what's up with that???? Are they the only "skinny" ones doing porn nowadays or have all the others just "blimped" out????
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Since all he really did was play golf and smile a lot,it worked out really well.
Lol. And so that's when the Presidential golfing and scripted decisions all began?
I would say it was more of a case of a president who was tired of having HIS strings pulled by these very same creatures,and a man familiar enough with military procurement and operations that he truly understood the danger to our Republic it represented.
Fair enough assessment. After having his chain yanked (and yanking others) I guess his recognition of the charade was better late than never. Not that it was in time to help reverse the future damage.
You don't have to be the first in your class to realize you need to get off the tracks when there is a train bearing down on you.
Which is why I believe so few Americans of honor and integrity are willing to run for office. Selling their soul and succumbing to the institutional globalist cabal is too high a personal price.
#339. To: sneakypete, Parrot with speed dial (#331)
There were several attempts by the German High Command to make a separate peace with the west,and they were all turned down. The most common reason/explanation given is that the Germans wanted a negotiated surrender leaving the Germans in charge of Germany,and the Allies wanted a unconditional surrender. Mostly the Brits and the Soviets....
A nice try, but...
It is a established historical fact that the German Military kept trying to surrender,and kept getting ignored. Even Rommel was a part of the conspiracy...Tom Cruise recently starred in a movie about [the conspiracy to kill Hitler] and played the role of Stauffenberg.
Cruise 's casting as von Stauffenberg prevented me from watching what would have been a very interesting movie for me. Hess's solo flight to Ireland was the first indication that some Germans had second thoughts about the "Today Germany, Tomorrow ze Vorld" thingy. After watching in horror as Hitler sacrificed the German Army outside Stalingrad had to clinch this notion for a number of military high command.
That type of thing is a political decision,not a military one. Soldiers,sailors,and Marines may accept the surrender of enemy soldiers,but it takes a nation to accept the surrender of a nation.
Hear ya. Of the German offer to surrender was the question of authority as was the acceptance of such surrender to finalize the terms.
Nor is there much doubt that Patton would have beaten Truman like a rented mule if he had came back to the US,put in his retirement papers,and announced he was running for President as a Republican. Patton was the Rock Star General of WW-2. "The American Rommel". He was wildly popular with the citizens for all his victories during the war.
Fascinating to think about were Patton to have spilled all the beans AND ran for office. Make a good movie, don't you think? Like JFK, there were any number of people who had reason to have Patton silenced - including Ike, the State Dept, the Ruskies, the Dems, the *American* Commies, and of course the globalist-elites who called all the shots.
It seems like I only see the same ones over and over and over..... what's up with that???? Are they the only "skinny" ones doing porn nowadays or have all the others just "blimped" out????
I would start by canceling your subscription to 'The Anorexic Porn Channel' immediately. Rib cage and sunken-eye fetishes are way overrated...
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That is just some examples of bad governance by him [0bama]. I support the new health care legislation, withdrawing the troops from Iraq, the stimulus packages for the most part, and we do concur on things, but he is not my ideal POTUS. He never was in th first place.
The first thing he did was allow a major timber sale in the Tsongas national Park in Alaska. He is oppressing cannabis instead of moving toward legalized and regulated like alcohol and tobacco, he has not prosecuted Smirk and Snarl for blowing up the twin towers and for putting a missile into the Pentagon.
You've just enumerated reasons that 0bama is a fraud (from a socialist/Green standpoint.) And also exposed is his pro-Muslim position regarding the LACK of prosecutions as well as his coincidental position on even medicinal pot.
Of your reasons to support this Communist and Annihilator of American institutions, traditions, and heritage, they are pretty flimsy. Even you have to admit it.
I understand why you support the *concept* of affordable health care for all, but that's NOT what 0bamaCare is all about. Moreover, his program is patently over-officious, intrusive, unfair, inequitable, elitist in its policy, promises, AND not economically feasible in the least.
Sure - most Americans now concur with you that the troops - not just the ones in Iraq, but Afghanistan as well. What's taken 0bama so long? And why has he left the troops in A-Stan? Do you endorse his interference and warmongering in Libya? Yemen? Do you support his endorsement of the 'Arab Spring? Why didn't he support the 'Arab Spring' in Iran?
Mike, that so-called "Stimulus" of 0bama's wasn't helpful to the economy or job situation in the least - come on! And haven't you been following the corruption of Solyndra and funding funneled to ACORN and other special interest/partisan groups?
What of his involvement in 'Fast and Furious'? His laziness and indifference in helping stop the Gulf oil spill? His ubiquitous personal racist divisiveness (and that of his DoJ?)
I would argue that his political ideology compels him to undermine America, capitalism, and our very sovereignty at both a national and state level.
Why give this guy a pass at all? He's as much ruining this country for me and my kids and much as he's undermining it for yours.
You can't dwell on the fact that because he's a black man he must necessarily be given the benefit of doubt. If 0bama were a white man with his record, he's have already been the subject of Impeachment Hearings - he's THAT bad.
You're too smart to be conned any further by guy at this point.
I challenged you to put your money where your mouth is twice and you failed both times.
ANOTHER lie.
You made two challenges. One of which, you DID have the right to make, the other you did NOT.
So I answered your challenge. You're desperately trying to spin this away. After all, you consider yourself intellectually and morally superior. Going by that viewpoint, how someone as low as I am (according to your perspective) so easily make you look like such a fool?
Such a result is inconceivable, yet that's exactly what happened.
The answer is really quite simple... in fact, it's so simple, that you really can't bring yourself to believe it...
You were stupid, and you lied. THEN you challenged me to prove you lied.
So I did. I proved you're a lying cunt.
Your responses since then, demonstrate that (contrary to your view of yourself), not only are you not morally superior (being the lying cunt you are), but you're not too fucking bright, either.
You get your ass handed to you on a daily basis, and yet you keep coming back for more... Why? Because you're the retard that everyone plays the joke on... you laugh, thinking it's funny... But YOU are the joke, and everyone laughs AT you.
It's time for you to move on. You've LOST, and that's the end of the story.
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Fair enough assessment. After having his chain yanked (and yanking others) I guess his recognition of the charade was better late than never. Not that it was in time to help reverse the future damage.
No matter what anybody says about Ike,nobody can ever say he was a egotist that put himself ahead of others or his country. IMHO,it was this lack of ego that got him promoted from LTC to 4 Star General.
BTW,I am NOT saying he was lacking in ego to the point he was self-effacing,but compared to all the other Generals he was practically a Eagle Scout. "Modesty" in not a term you EVER hear attached to Generals. Ever. They ain't type A personalities,they are Type AAA personalities. McArthur was just more obvious than most.
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Cruise 's casting as von Stauffenberg prevented me from watching what would have been a very interesting movie for me.
Me,too. Von Stauffenberg was a serious man and a serious soldier that was prepared to give up his own life and bring harm to his family in order to save his country,not a pretty boy.
Hess's solo flight to Ireland was the first indication that some Germans had second thoughts about the "Today Germany, Tomorrow ze Vorld" thingy.
Yeah,and we all saw what THAT got him,prison for his entire life,despite him being the one Nazi completely innocent of war crimes.
Fascinating to think about were Patton to have spilled all the beans AND ran for office. Make a good movie, don't you think?
LOL!Nobody ever called Patton a shrinking violet,so there can be no doubt that he would have made everything he knew about war mismanagement and official corruption public and even gone so far as to name names. The biggest problem with a movie about him would be nobody that grew up today would believe it was anything but fiction. IMHO,this is as responsible for the murder conspiracies as anything else. NOBODY was under the illusion that Patton could really be controlled.
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No matter what anybody says about Ike,nobody can ever say he was a egotist that put himself ahead of others or his country. IMHO,it was this lack of ego that got him promoted from LTC to 4 Star General.
Good call from what I've seen, heard and read.
I guess that's like saying he's the ultimate politician. For a two-term President, Ike never seemed to be hated by anyone or provoked strong emotions either way. Obviously, no one forgot his standing as the winning WWII General of the European Theater of Operation.
BTW,I am NOT saying he was lacking in ego to the point he was self-effacing,but compared to all the other Generals he was practically a Eagle Scout. "Modesty" in not a term you EVER hear attached to Generals. Ever. They ain't type A personalities,they are Type AAA personalities. McArthur was just more obvious than most.
I agree - a guy who was both a thousand-star general and President, he was extremely modest. A unicorn by any standard.
Nice (but failed) try by the German generals to convince the allies that a conditional surrender was palatable. My bad at explaining my thought.
Von Stauffenberg was a serious man and a serious soldier that was prepared to give up his own life and bring harm to his family in order to save his country,not a pretty boy.
I'd read that von Staffenberg was a serious military man of great integrity, respected by many; he was badly injured in as well in action. To see Tom Cruise trying to pull that personality and look off (including eye-patch) seemed almost comical to me. Although the word was that von Staffenberg was a handsome man, he wasn't a pretty-boy. Cruise brought to much cutsy/pretty-boy baggage with him from his movies. Too bad for us - it should have been a good movie.
Yeah,and we all saw what THAT got him [Hess], prison for his entire life,despite him being the one Nazi completely innocent of war crimes.
Hadn't thought about that perspective. But even Speer served 20 years for being a Nazi architect. Maybe it was assumed Hitler's inner-circle of Nazi pals weren't as innocent as claimed.
LOL!Nobody ever called Patton a shrinking violet,so there can be no doubt that he would have made everything he knew about war mismanagement and official corruption public and even gone so far as to name names. The biggest problem with a movie about him would be nobody that grew up today would believe it was anything but fiction.
The chaos he would have created by simply stating the truth would have been really hard to believe. Problem for Ike and the elites was Patton was believed AND believable - despite his rep as a little nuts. Heck, it's scarcely believed today that 0bama is gay, a Marxist, a Muslim, and attended a "Hate-Whitey!" church for 20 years, and it's been proven.
IMHO,this is as responsible for the murder conspiracies as anything else. NOBODY was under the illusion that Patton could really be controlled.
Yep. Almost anyone could have had a motive to off Patton.
#356. To: A K A Stone, Godwinson, Fred Mertz, Liberator (#0)
Who would like to see him post here again?
I am in on the vote for a thumb's UP! Yet, this is a stinkin' little out of the way NAZI chit chat forum/website that is completely mismanaged by some asshole; I won't mention any names; nope; MUMS THE WORD!. Of course, I am NOT referring to Moderator X; he is a good guy. So there must be only one in "authority" that I am talking about.
Knowing A K A Stone with respect to his antics, he has no clue. Watch this post get raped ... very typical, too.
Nice (but failed) try by the German generals to convince the allies that a conditional surrender was palatable. My bad at explaining my thought.
No problemo : ).....look where our conversation went ,...and how it was enlarged
sneakypete noted correctly in the article I posted that Ike did not make the calls which historians claim created an extended war and loss of American lives. I got to thinking about WW-2 and the Globalist agenda of that time, question....Who would have an intelligence service which was extant to Russia,Europe,and America....capable of soft influence and critical intervention to change the outcome of events? The many resources on the net[Historical works/evidences]... which place the Jesuits and Vatican in this slot sits well with me. I think the Globalists use* whichever medium/mediums can best effect their plans. Since the creation of the IMF/World Bank,...the 300 Group,CFR,Bilderbergs etc,....the torch appears to have been passed off to these worker houses. and yet...The Pope..just recently stated that the World needs a global banking system In the movie Patton,..at the end,...he walks down a hall to be dismissed,..on his way down the hall....you see the Bust of a Caesar. next..he is walking in an open field by a windmill. Don Quixote.....tilting at Windmills,...a Jesuit symbol excerpt: But who is this character Don Quixote? The Jesuit Carroll Quigley once said, Look at the real situations which lie beneath the conceptual and verbal symbols. So lets take his advice. Quixote was satirically characterized as the epically famous madman of Azpeitia. If we start with Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra, the author of Don Quixote, we discover that not only was he a strict Roman Catholic it is believed that he also attended a Jesuit school in 1566: Cervantes is likely [to have] enrolled in a Jesuit high school (colegio).[12] Next we find that Cervantes book Don Quixote expressly refers to the pope as His Holiness the Pope and his holiness Pope Pius V of happy memory. (pp. 138, 331).
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... So who was this character represented by the original Don Quixote of whom Cervantes wrote so affectionately? It was Ignatius Loyola [13]....
.... Catholic professor Miguel de Unamuno in his book [16] draws parallels between Don Quixote and the life of the founder of the Jesuit Order, Ignatius of Loyola, their Lord. And the Jesuit-trained Voltaire wrote, the only difference between Loyola and the Quixote, is that Don Quixote had a horse and an esquire, but Ignatius was not provided with either.[17][end]
Parrot....so ya....These symbols at the end of the Movie Patton indicate to me that the Jesuits had Patton ended.
It's time for you to move on. You've LOST, and that's the end of the story.
Why? Because you're banned form LP and can't go crawling back? The Bozo feature works as good here as it does over there, where you said you had half the posters there on it.
And as far as liars go, I'm still waiting for the proof of your own statement about Mike.
When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard
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I pity that poor cat, I bet it walks sideways now with it's head cocked off to one side!!!!!!
"CHANGE" you can step in..... My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!! Slap the shit out of a Leftard today, it won't help but at least you will feel better!!!!