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Title: Who gives shit if Godwinson post here again?
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Published: Oct 26, 2011
Author: A K A Stone
Post Date: 2011-10-26 11:24:19 by A K A Stone
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Who would like to see him post here again?

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#45. To: A K A Stone, godwinson (#0)

YES, godwinson is a left wing as you can get, but what's a forum without opposing views

calcon  posted on  2011-10-26   13:05:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: calcon, sneakypete, Happy Quanzaa, Get Outta Dodge!, CZ82, jwpegler, Rudgear, Capitalist Eric, A K A Stone, Thunderbird, Mad Dog, Murron, e_type_jag, Badeye, Parrot with speed dial, nolu chan, Sebastian, We The People, hondo68 (#45)

YES, godwinson is a left wing as you can get, but what's a forum without opposing views

I think there are plenty of conservatives and libertarians who disagree with each other and opposed respective views....

Should the debate be about promoting the right direction of the country, OR, humoring the Commie blitzkrieg and agenda of Leftist propaganda? Of course it can also be considered an intellectual blood sport.

The problem with Commies and Leftists at a forum is their lack of logic, un-willingness to exchange cogent, honest thought and debate, and un-willingness to deviate from their hardened dogma.

It's not so much a "debate" for these folks as it is about spamming a forum with Commie/Leftist propaganda.

QUESTION: When was the last meaningful "debate" between LF's House Commies vs. Conservatives/Libertarians? Leftist do NOT want to debate because the truth is never on their side. That's why all they do is obfuscate, create red herrings, and lie.

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-26   13:46:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: Liberator, A K A Stone (#48) (Edited)

It's not so much a "debate" for these folks as it is about spamming a forum with Commie/Leftist propaganda.

Zackly.

The site has the name liberty in it.

The spew by these assorted dolts is based on nodern dimocrap ideology and linking liberty with these statist dimocrap fax machines stains the very term.

All one has to do is view DU to see one mention of liberty as germane to their positions.

They live for the religion - and it is the same as DU's religion.

There won't be a single post from any of them EVER espousing more liberty - it's always about more control.

Always. So that's why I bozoed every last one of them.

It's not about debate as they have no interest in debate.

Witness their current icon we all know as the resident house negroe who simply just czars and decrees whatever he and his massuhs decide in their insatiable lust for power. Liberties are collateral damage or just flak for them to extinguish.

In particular with this crew of destro, dwarf, whiningskank, brainshit and the two legged communist party campaign flyer 65 et al -- IMO if I wanted to view the daily reid/pelosi plan I'd tune in Keith Olberman or Bill Maher.

The indisputable fact is that Maher and Olberman's IQs exceeds the collective IQ of all of the bulging foreheaded spammers on LF combined. With change to spare. And Maher and Olberdork's buffonery can be mildly comical to tune into from time to time.

But this tolerance for breathing stench seems to be the norm now among anyone even an angstrom to the right of Lindsey Graham. We on the right just MUST be tolerant of such nonsense.

Just like someone like me trying to post my thoughts on DU or whatever shit sites they operate. Right?

AKA really makes no nevermind to me if you allow destro here since I'll not smell his stench anyway. But junk like this crew really operates as per the obama way - disrupt etc....what should be a site for people who really congregate around the vestiges of liberty. Rather than stomp all over the very concept at every opportunity.

So my vote FWIW is dustbin the trash.

I already get the LA Times.

(how about letting em come back after Nov 2012 so we can help them plan their immigration to wherever they plan on going after the regime change and first indictments are unsealed??)

e_type_jag  posted on  2011-10-27   1:59:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: e_type_jag, Liberator, A K A Stone (#168) (Edited)

Liberator: "It's not so much a "debate" for these folks as it is about spamming a forum with Commie/Leftist propaganda."

e_type_jag: "Zackly. The site has the name liberty in it....AKA really makes no nevermind to me if you allow destro here since I'll not smell his stench anyway. But junk like this crew really operates as per the obama way - disrupt etc....what should be a site for people who really congregate around the vestiges of liberty. Rather than stomp all over the very concept at every opportunity."

Young people, and even some older citizens of this nation are lost, they're floundering, looking for answers, not pissing contests. Most are alone, there is no comradery anywhere, no common bond that can be shared without some libtard stirring shit and disgracing everyone around them, causing confusion and even more frustration, if people leave, then we have lost another good future patriot, and the libtards can chalk up another victory.

I think the world of Stone, but think about this, when was the last time we had any new conservative members join up...and stay?

I believe that if what is happening all around us is not important enough to try and bring more of us together, uniting us in a common cause, then what's the point? Why would anyone who loves freedom and liberty allow these filthy socialist this podium, our podium, libertysflame, why would we allow them to bully and disrespect us on our own homefront, when there are so many other's who would wellcome their anti-American, anti-capitalistic trash talk?

I'm still around mostly out of habit, with a couple of folks I got to know over the years, not because of any loyalty to the cause, because, there is no CAUSE here at liberysflame, you can try and talk with one another what it is we want for our country to get her back on track, we can talk about how we love God, and Jesus, we can even wish each other holiday and BD greetings, but any good feelings we might want to come away with later are trashed by flying monkeys with nothing better to do, it's what they do best.

If Libertysflame stands for nothing, and falls for anything, then this is the perfect place for dems and repubs alike with nothing better to do with their spare time.

Sorry, but I don't feel generous enough to share my precious time among socialist, communist, fascists, Marxist, and/or Anarchist. I am selfish in what it is I want, and they are not a part of my plans, or my daily life, not here, not anywhere. Being overly tolerant and naive on our part is what got this nation in mess she's in, and I don't believe internet pissing contests with these filthy bastards are going to help her, or anyone out of it.

I believe what we have can be shared with anyone, but never given over to the enemy to stomp on, redicule and trash.

God Bless JMHO!

Just my two-cents

Murron  posted on  2011-10-27   4:02:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#194. To: Murron, e_type_jag, A K A Stone (#172)

Young people, and even some older citizens of this nation are lost, they're floundering, looking for answers, not pissing contests. Most are alone, there is no comradery anywhere, no common bond that can be shared without some libtard stirring shit and disgracing everyone around them, causing confusion and even more frustration, if people leave, then we have lost another good future patriot, and the libtards can chalk up another victory.

I think the world of Stone, but think about this, when was the last time we had any new conservative members join up...and stay?

Mur makes a number of good points.

What conservative, libertarian, or even moderate searching for reinforcement of conservative principles would take a peek at LF and remain after observing the House Commies make a mockery of things? What kind of young person OR any person would look at this mess and want to remain? If they're looking for camaraderie, unity to our cause, leadership, and focus, they MIGHT find *some* here. However, they probably just see the constant Leftist tripe spamming and undermining and leave this forum with barely more than a cursory look, ASAP. Who could blame them?

Sorry, but I don't feel generous enough to share my precious time among socialist, communist, fascists, Marxist, and/or Anarchist. I am selfish in what it is I want, and they are not a part of my plans, or my daily life, not here, not anywhere. Being overly tolerant and naive on our part is what got this nation in mess she's in, and I don't believe internet pissing contests with these filthy bastards are going to help her, or anyone out of it....I believe what we have can be shared with anyone, but never given over to the enemy to stomp on, redicule and trash.

BRAVO! Well stated.

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-27   13:08:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#252. To: Liberator (#194)

What conservative, libertarian, or even moderate searching for reinforcement of conservative principles would take a peek at LF and remain after observing the House Commies make a mockery of things? What kind of young person OR any person would look at this mess and want to remain? If they're looking for camaraderie, unity to our cause, leadership, and focus, they MIGHT find *some* here. However, they probably just see the constant Leftist tripe spamming and undermining and leave this forum with barely more than a cursory look, ASAP. Who could blame them?

I guess my question is what would you do for entertainment if all the Leftards suddenly shut up or permanently left LF?????

CZ82  posted on  2011-10-27   16:42:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#332. To: CZ82, Liberator (#252)

I guess my question is what would you do for entertainment if all the Leftards suddenly shut up or permanently left LF?????

Theres always porn.

Or the anticipation of AKA allowing them all back on Mid Nov 2012 so we can all commiserate together:):)

e_type_jag  posted on  2011-10-28   18:30:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#337. To: e_type_jag (#332)

Theres always porn.

LOL.... yea there is......

But it seems like I only see the same ones over and over and over..... what's up with that???? Are they the only "skinny" ones doing porn nowadays or have all the others just "blimped" out????

CZ82  posted on  2011-10-29   8:03:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#342. To: CZ82, e_type_jag (#337)

It seems like I only see the same ones over and over and over..... what's up with that???? Are they the only "skinny" ones doing porn nowadays or have all the others just "blimped" out????

I would start by canceling your subscription to 'The Anorexic Porn Channel' immediately. Rib cage and sunken-eye fetishes are way overrated...

OTOH, I hear 'The Big Beautiful Whale-Azz' porn channel is becoming increasingly more popular. Try it as a refreshing change of pace.

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-29   14:32:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#365. To: Liberator (#342)

OTOH, I hear 'The Big Beautiful Whale-Azz' porn channel is becoming increasingly more popular. Try it as a refreshing change of pace.

CZ82  posted on  2011-10-30   9:05:39 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#367. To: CZ82 (#365)

Bwaahaa!

BAY-BEEEE!!!

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-30   10:41:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#368. To: Liberator (#367)

Bwaahaa!

BAY-BEEEE!!!

I pity that poor cat, I bet it walks sideways now with it's head cocked off to one side!!!!!!

CZ82  posted on  2011-10-30   10:44:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#370. To: CZ82 (#368)

I pity that poor cat, I bet it walks sideways now with it's head cocked off to one side!!!!!!

Yeah, that poor pussy...

;-)

And now we'll all have to guess which LF's eHarmony caricature it is....

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-30   11:01:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#371. To: Liberator (#370)

"Yeah, that poor pussy..."

Eric, or the cartoon cat in the childish cartoon?

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-30   11:04:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#373. To: Ferret Mike, Capitalist Eric (#371)

Eric, or the cartoon cat in the childish cartoon?

Ooooh....You're gonna have to pay for that zinger, Mike....

:-)

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-30   11:10:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#377. To: Liberator (#373)

"Ooooh....You're gonna have to pay for that zinger, Mike...."

Erica pays every time she looks in the mirror. This is something she has to do every day to shave and thus is inesccapable.

Me, I have posted a long time and am good at the fast scan of people's posts and scrolling past the tripe in them; like when I look at Mad Dog Steve's crap or that of his little sibling Erica.

You can pay when you don't see the prose inspired by mental illness.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-30   11:17:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#382. To: Ferret Mike, Capitalist Eric (#377)

Now, now...

Eric may be angry, but it's a righteous anger. He's a conservative who's p*ssed at the liberal-left's agenda. I get it.

Unlike the hard-core House Commies here, you've got one foot IN, and one foot OUT of the Sea of Insanity. IMO at least you can be reasoned with...at times...when you happen to remember that 0bama is screwing with your liberties as well.

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-30   11:30:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#385. To: Liberator (#382)

Eric lives to bait; period.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-30   11:33:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#391. To: Ferret Mike, Capitalist Eric (#385)

Eric lives to bait; period.

Doesn't that cut both ways?

It's already been established that the House Commies here at LF aren't here to debate, they're here to antagonize, obfuscate, deflect, and otherwise shill for 0bama, the Dems, and the Commie Revolution.

I thought you got that Memo.

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-30   12:02:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#422. To: Liberator, Ferret Mike (#391)

Ferret Mike: Eric lives to bait; period.

Rat-boy claims I'm into baiting. Were that the truth, I would have made comments such as 371, 377, 383 and 385, on this one thread.

Typical leftist hypocrisy, from one of the resident traitors.

Feh.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-30   23:35:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#423. To: Capitalist Eric (#422) (Edited)

You claim bait ain't the game, yet you hang favorite baiting quotes in your poster directed signature.

Yeah, right, what was I ever thinking of by commenting on your propensity to bait? It is reflexive to claim the intent is not to bait when one baits, as their is no intent to communicate constructively when one is a master baiter such as you.

If you have any more trouble trying to figure this all out, just ask. I'll even try to help you sans the rhetorical questions. Maybe.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-30   23:55:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#428. To: Ferret Mike (#423)

You claim bait ain't the game, yet you hang favorite baiting quotes in your poster directed signature.

The first is a direct quote. The second is an observation- NOT made by me- regarding the method of "spin" that the dummy uses consistently. Oh, BTW, the observation is brutally accurate.

How either of these can be taken as "baiting," is a mystery to be resolved in your head.

Oh, and BTW, the vid you posted right after the above comment, once-again demonstrates you're baiting game.

Thank you, for yet one more example of your disgusting leftist hypocrisy.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-31   11:48:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#429. To: Capitalist Eric (#428)

The efective range of a lame excuse is zero point zero meters. Tell your "my dog ate the homework" grade crap to someone who gives a damn.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-31   11:50:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#432. To: Ferret Mike (#429)

The efective range of a lame excuse is zero point zero meters.

Correct.

Which is also the effective range of your overt hypocrisy.

You're a typical "do as I say, NOT as I do" leftist.

And THAT'S just a fact, not baiting.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-31   12:23:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#434. To: Capitalist Eric (#432) (Edited)

I consider you a megalomaniac and a sociopath. Your Mom must have made you stand in the front yard with an "I wet my bed" sign so your peers could taunt you, a lad who couldn't control his bladder as a ten year old. You never recovered from the humiliation, and so here you are.

Granted that is mere supposition, but if you are like you are for any less of a reason, yor problem is organic in nature. Something only the veterinarian who does primary care for you would truly know about.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-31   13:38:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#435. To: Ferret Mike (#434)

I consider you a megalomaniac and a sociopath.

And this means precisely dick.

Your Mom must have made you stand in the front yard with an "I wet my bed" sign so your peers could taunt you, a lad who couldn't control his bladder as a ten year old. You never recovered from the humiliation, and so here you are.

More baiting, eh? LOL.

Granted that is mere supposition, but if you are like you are for any less of a reason, yor problem is organic in nature.

Ah, I know this one!

Rule of Disinformation #11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions. Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the “high road” and “confess” with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made - but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, “just isn’t so.” Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later. Done properly, this can garner sympathy and respect for “coming clean” and “owning up” to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues.

LOL.

Something only the veterinarian who does primary care for you would truly know about.

Back to the baiting, once again. LMAO....

Rule of Disinformation # 4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent’s argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

Rule of Disinformation # 5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “kooks”, “right-wing”, “liberal”, “left- wing”, “terrorists”, “conspiracy buffs”, “radicals”, “militia”, “racists”, “religious fanatics”, “sexual deviates”, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

Nothing being utterly predictable, eh, Rat-boy? You keep forgetting, I've read the script you operate from...

And BTW, while you keep attacking, I've not lost sight of the main point- which is that you're a HYPOCRITE. Which means you've failed.

No big surprise, eh?

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-31   14:45:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#436. To: Capitalist Eric (#435)

"Nothing being utterly predictable, eh, Rat-boy? You keep forgetting, I've read the script you operate from... "

I've never read what's his names shit. It is a good vehicle libby likes to cite, but it means nothing to me.

And indeed that was baiting I reciprocated with. And if you don't like getting what you dish out, then tough shit. It's better then what you'd get if you talked that way to me in real time.

Count your blessing, dumb shit.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-31   19:01:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#438. To: Ferret Mike (#436)

I've never read what's his names shit. It is a good vehicle libby likes to cite, but it means nothing to me.

Of course not. You make it a point to be willfully ignorant. That you refuse to educate yourself, or face anything which contradicts your preconceived (and 99% wrong) viewpoints surprises me not at all. You merely confirm the point.

Thanks for clarifying.

And indeed that was baiting I reciprocated with. And if you don't like getting what you dish out, then tough shit.

I really don't give a FUCK about you. So what makes you think I care enough about you, to bait you? PLEASE.

You're a worthless sack of shit. You're too fucking STOOOPID to even hold down a job as a fucking *helicopter* mechanic. You've failed in everything that you set out to do, so now you're a permanent parasite on society- feeding on it, as a paid pol. It's not baiting, it's exactly what you've already stated. You don't like it? TOO FUCKING BAD, you PUTZ.

It's better then what you'd get if you talked that way to me in real time. Count your blessing, dumb shit.

LOL. Resorting to the internet threats, eh? I could post a pic of the teenaged "internet tough guy" with braces, but I'm too lazy, too tired to bother. You're really not worth the effort.

As to meeting me in real time, what makes you think you can even enter my world? SHIIIIIIIIIIIT. LMAO!!!!!

And that's what pisses you off the most, hence your stupid threats.

Now go behind your mobile-home, and kick your dog. Maybe you'll feel better, maybe you won't. Either way, I really don't give a flying fuck, in a stiff wind, at a rolling doughnut, what you think.

G'night, PUTZ.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-31   22:05:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#489. To: Capitalist Eric (#438) (Edited)

Title: Union says Nader's circulators forged signatures (Ferret got the ball rolling on this story!!)
Source: katu.com
URL Source: http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=70187
Published: Aug 16, 2004
Author: AP
Post Date: 2004-08-16 19:00:47 by ferret
Views: 0
Comments: 74

SALEM, Ore. - Ralph Nader's supporters were accused Monday of turning in fraudulent petition signatures in their last-ditch effort to place Nader's name on Oregon's Nov. 2 presidential ballot.

The Service Employees International Union, which is backing Democrat John Kerry's candidacy, said its analysis of signatures turned in so far by Nader's supporters suggests that two-thirds of them are fraudulent.

Alice Dale, the union's vice president, said it appears there has been "overwhelming and systemic fraud" in the Nader petition effort.

The union also presented the sworn statement of a janitor who said he heard three Nader petitioners, who are paid by the signature, sitting in an isolated stairwell discussing techniques for forging names.

Michael McCarthy, who said he overheard the conversation at the Skidmore Fountain Building where Nader's canvassing operation is headquartered, told reporters that one of the petitioners described "ways to make sure the forged signatures looked more real."

Later, he said, he saw a petitioner with pages ripped out of the telephone directory copying names onto a sheet.

"Furthermore, looking at the petition sheets for any length of time raises the question of whether campaign officials knew or at the very least should have known about the false signatures," Dale said.

Nader's Oregon campaign coordinator, Greg Kafoury, denied that there was any deliberate attempt by the campaign to turn in fraudulent or invalid signatures.

Kafoury said about 65 percent of the signatures turned in to Multnomah County have been found to be valid, which he said was about average for such a petition drive.

Further, he said the allegations against the Nader campaign represent more "dirty tricks" by Democrats and unions backing Kerry who want to keep Nader off Oregon's presidential ballot this fall.

Kafoury said he remained hopeful that Nader supporters will be able to round up at least 15,000 valid petition signatures to qualify him for the ballot.

The signatures are due Aug. 24, although Nader backers will need to turn them in this week to give counties time to verify the signatures.

(Copyright 2004 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

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#35. To: ferret (#28)

The union also presented the sworn statement of a janitor who said he heard three Nader petitioners, who are paid by the signature, sitting in an isolated stairwell discussing techniques for forging names.

Michael McCarthy, who said he overheard the conversation at the Skidmore Fountain Building where Nader's canvassing operation is headquartered, told reporters that one of the petitioners described "ways to make sure the forged signatures looked more real."

Later, he said, he saw a petitioner with pages ripped out of the telephone directory copying names onto a sheet.

1. What were you doing in the stairwell?

2. Were the voices male and/or female.

3. Did you see any of them other than the one ripping the phone book?

4. What did he/she look like?

5. Date and time you witnessed these events.

6. Have you ever had any experience in forging petitions for Mr. Nader in previous campaigns?

7. Wouldn't your time be better spent promoting all the Kerry wonders than trying to prevent folks from voting?

harrowup posted on 2004-08-17 14:24:29 ET Reply Trace

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#37. To: harrowup (#35)

"1. What were you doing in the stairwell?"

Actually this was on stairs in the atrium portion of the building. The maintenance room is on the third floor, and I could see the petitioners - one of whom had queried me for a signature earlier - sitting in an out of the way spot on the second floor eating and talking with petitioning paperwork laying in front of them.

The third floor stairs is shut off from the first and second floor atrium concourse by a gate and wire fence. I quietly went over and sat as close to them above them on the stairs.

They were visible and audible to me - I was actually visible to them had they been suspicious enough of me to notice I was there and to care.

This was in a public place in the building in that you can actually reach where I was via the elevator when it is not in security mode later in the day and at night.

"2. Were the voices male and/or female."

They were male.

"3. Did you see any of them other than the one ripping the phone book?"

As I indicated above, yes. I saw all of them.

"4. What did he/she look like?

5. Date and time you witnessed these events."

I am not going to pick on them any more then I have to by describing them or giving particulars not already in general release to the public. The folks investigating this have access to me for this information.

I am going after fraud, not trying to hurt people, regardless of what they have done. Apologies.

"6. Have you ever had any experience in forging petitions for Mr. Nader in previous campaigns?"

Nader got on the ballot in Oregon last time by holding a one day event where a thousand people or more sign petitions at the event venue.

Over ten thousand showed up to the Rose Garden and he had no problem getting the requisite signatures.

He tried this twice this election cycle, and failed both times to get the critical mass needed of signers to put him on the ballot.

This initiative effort is a last ditch effort.

As for my personal experience with Nader initiative petitions, I have none. I have not election grass roots work of that sort for many election cycles.

"7. Wouldn't your time be better spent promoting all the Kerry wonders than trying to prevent folks from voting?"

As I previously stated, if Nader's contractor doing the gathering submits the requisite number of LEGITIMATE signatures, let him be on the ballot to either be voted for or ignored by those voting at the polls or by mail.

The issue is initiative fraud which has been a huge issue since Bill Sizemore's people were caught transcribing names from one petition of several they had with them to sign to get paid per signature to others the voter had demurred from signing due to personal choice.

The presidential election is the sole voting venue where gathering signatures is paid by the signature.

Even if Nader gets on the ballot, we are generating useful tools to take to Salem to use to get the legislature to modify the law to make ALL signature gathering paid by piecework illegal.

ferret posted on 2004-08-17 14:58:32 ET Reply Trace

http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=62365&Disp=62#C62

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-11-02   2:31:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#490. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone, Murron, Liberator, Mad Dog, jwpegler, hondo68, sneakypete, Happy Quanzaa, Get Outta Dodge!, CZ82, jwpegler, Rudgear (#489)

Rat-boy: ...The union also presented the sworn statement of a janitor who said he heard three Nader petitioners, who are paid by the signature, sitting in an isolated stairwell....

Harrowup: What were you doing in the stairwell?"

Rat-boy: The third floor stairs is shut off from the first and second floor atrium concourse by a gate and wire fence. I quietly went over and sat as close to them above them on the stairs... They were visible and audible to me - I was actually visible to them had they been suspicious enough of me to notice I was there and to care.

You're a JANITOR?????????

Bwa-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No wonder you're so bitter, and pushing your military (dis) service as evidence of your patriotism, and your pretensions of intellectual competence!!!!!

DAMN, that is TOO FUNNY!!!!!!!!!

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-11-02   12:51:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#510. To: Capitalist Eric, cornflake BOY uh weasel GURL uh faggot mikey uh rat-boy uh Ferret Mike, A K A Stone, Murron, Liberator, jwpegler, hondo68, sneakypete, Happy Quanzaa, Get Outta Dodge!, CZ82, jwpegler, Rudgear (#490)

You're a JANITOR?????????

Bwa-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No wonder you're so bitter, and pushing your military (dis) service as evidence of your patriotism, and your pretensions of intellectual competence!!!!!

DAMN, that is TOO FUNNY!!!!!!!!!

I have always been raised to respect and honor all honest work and workers, no matter their job.

I totally believe in INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY, so whatever one man wants from life should be up to him, it should be his INDIVIDUAL choice.

But, given the constant stream of inane and foul libTURD "Hate America FIRST!" filth from this obviously insecure little twerp.

From this pitiful little libTURD useful idiot creep Michael McCarthy.

I don't care why he does what he does, (in the chatrooms et. al.), I only care WHAT he does here, (you know, LIE, spin, excuse, and whore for rah rah libTURD FOOLS TOOLS and WHORES UNITE!).

Then this gibbering FOOL busts himself, while he is TRYING to BRAG about it!

LOL!

He tells the world he is/was a janitor, (no bigiee, to me anyhow).

LOL!

He tells the world that he IS a "informant", (calling the heat on folks is a bigee to most people).

LMAO!

He tells the world that he will do whatever he can to hurt politicians who he dislikes, (being a total political whore is a bigee).

LMAO!

He tells the world that he is a braggart AND a FOOL, (who but a braggart and a FOOL would TRY to brag about the behavior he exhibited in the event, OR try to use it as a support on a chat site?)

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He tells the world AGAIN what he is, just another desperate, envious, lying little libTURD TOOL/FOOL/WHORE lickspittle.

Nothing really "funny" about THAT.

AND he'll do ANYTHING, say ANYTHING.

ANYTHING.

To hurt America and Americans.

Which is why I despise him and his gibbering ilk.

Which is why I wish he would just show up and try to demo his internet threats against me and mine.

Sigh ...

But ...

"BULLSHIT WALKS, while MONEY TALKS."

So, OBVIOUSLY, that leaves this pitiful little creep OUT.

(And it ain't really about "money" is it?)

libTURDISM is a mental DISEASE.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-11-02   17:45:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#511. To: Mad Dog (#510) (Edited)

I have also fought fires, planted trees, done pre-commercial thinning, sprayed BGR, and many other outdoor jobs. Most after getting a degree in Poli Sci.

I not only prefer to work outdoors, I am in excellent shape.

The reporter had a job and listed my employment as thus. However, I have never had a stand alone custodian job, that particular one came along with an out door market job.

Anyone who has been a private in the military can do vacuuming, do moping or clean windows. It's OK, but I would never want to work an indoor job like that which was stand alone. ;-)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-11-02   17:53:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#525. To: cornflake BOY uh weasel GURL uh faggot mikey uh rat-boy uh Ferret Mike (#511)

Blah blah blah More from this pitiful little libTURD useful idiot creep Michael McCarthy.

I don't care.

You being a self admitted libTURD blood enemy of America and of ALL Americans, and you being a self admitted LIAR and creep, that's what I "care" about.

Other than that, you don't mean sh!t all in any way to me boy.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-11-02   21:05:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#526. To: Mad Dog, Ferret Mike, nolu chan (#525)

If Ferret was calling you a faggot in the "to box" it would be wrong. It is wrong when you do it too.

Also the "wog" term you like to use on chan. That sounds racist.

I would ask all members to use proper screen names. If you want to rip them. Do it with class in the body of your text.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-11-02   21:11:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#535. To: A K A Stone (#526)

"To: Mad Dog, Ferret Mike, nolu chan

If Ferret was calling you a faggot in the "to box" it would be wrong. It is wrong when you do it too.

Also the "wog" term you like to use on chan. That sounds racist.

I would ask all members to use proper screen names. If you want to rip them. Do it with class in the body of your text."

+1

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-11-02   22:31:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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