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Oh Bullshit...he accused the Secretary of the Army, Robert Stevens, of being a Communist...
Maybe he was? Or maybe,McCarthy never made the charge that he was a communist,and this is a lie the media spread to help defame McCarthy? Maybe what McCarthy claimed is that Stephens associated with or was friends with people who were security risks because of their communist connections or leanings,and this became "Joe called him a communist!"
which is how McCarthy lost Eisenhower.
Eisenhower was nothing more than a overpaid clerk. As far as I know the only really good thing he did personally his whole life was remind everybody to "beware of the military-industrial complex" on his way out the WH door. That doesn't make up for him leading the raid on the Bonus Marchers,though. Which is the closest this General ever got to combat.
That said, McCarthy actually "named" very few people
Because the list was Top Secret and he couldn't name them without exposing intelligence gathering procedures and spoiling surveillance operations.
...those he did name were a) from a list that had been compiled by HUAC in 1946/47
They may have been on that list,but that wasn't the only list they were on.
..and b) were people who were mostly exonerated and remain so to this day.
"Mosty exonerated"? Were some of them a little bit pregnant? What you are trying to say without saying it is that they were never put on trial for their treasonous acts and the left continued to bray about them being innocent.
You've said this before, sneak, and have gotten the smack down.
Don't confuse your delusions with reality.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
We used to have an RCYB (Revolutionary Communist Youth Brigade) cell in Eugene all of us really hated. We called them 'Really Confused Young Bourgeoisie.' They were so out there and annoying we used to extrapolate they were actually government disinformation plants. One of them lived near me and used to pawn copies of the Revolutionary Worker on me. I used it for the dog to shit on.
When you speak as you do I remember how much I detested them. I also recall how flawed and unrealistic the Communist Manifesto was when we used it in Western Civilization class as an example of an original historical document compared to a secondary historical document such as a history book.
I know beyond any shadow of doubt I am no proponent of Communism or Socialism. I was pleased when the USSR fell, and I -to say the least - shed no tears when Mao or Vietnam's Uncle Ho died.
Thanks for a well thought out post...
It kinda saddens me that for all your early and present recognition of the evil of socialism/Communism that you would far more closely align with this ilk.
Mike, we are all falling into line on one of two sides of the fence. Ya gotta decide which side will more closely reflect the America you remember and want for your kids; The America that makes you proud.
So if it's all the same to you, I will continue to strongly be against taking away the property of people and collectivizing it. In fact, I would prefer to see family farms replace agribusinesses' corporate collectivizing of land.
I also want the U.S. Constitution upheld and followed, and this country to remain a Republic. There are indeed people out there who are really way way out there and believe we need to have some sort of communist revolution that would inevitably wind up as a repressive dictatorship of a few leaders oppressing everyone else a la George Orwell's satire concerning this called 'Animal Farm.' But to say the least, I am hardly one of them.
You are truly an enigma.
You disapprove of nearly every major Communistic ideal, yet you more closely relate with and align with.....Communists. AND 0bama. AND his acolytes.
I know this about you - you are a loyal, principled, and possess a good measure of courage. But you're wasting it because you're misguided and dwell on the worst so-called "representatives" of conservatism. Perhaps the overriding factor for you is your conflict with Christians? The rejection of gay militancy by conservatives? The abortion issue? Maybe you perceive conservatives as "racist" (when it's the other way 'round?)
So, you are endowed with the free speech right to brand and label others anyway you wish, but it will never make that true. ;-)
We ALL brand and label others - with good reason. Yeah, sometimes we're wrong. I'm right about who and what most of the posters here are. I would label you a confused closet conservative (based on you're own self-description, but subject to change.)
Only you know why you more closely relate with the political Left - and you do.
This nation, through GOP proxies, has aggresively kowtowed to the 1% for the last 30+ years and all it has brought is debt, deficits, gyrating employment, exported jobs and not one, but THREE financial crisises.
Put down the crack pipe.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
The GOP actually prefers communist countries for manufacturing, trade and labor supply. They just don't want any snide comments being made about it from 99%ers, whose role is to shut up and consume.
Proving once again that you are full of Hillary.
Unless maybe you think nations like France,Italy,VN,China,and Korea were controlled by the GOP? THEY were the nations doing the most trading with the old Soviet Union. Nations YOU would call "good socialist nations".
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
War: "This nation, through GOP proxies, has aggresively kowtowed to the 1% for the last 30+ years and all it has brought is debt, deficits, gyrating employment, exported jobs and not one, but THREE financial crisises."
Put down the crack pipe.
THIS kind of Stockholm Syndrome brainwashing is exactly why there can be no sane debate with a Leftist/Commie.
While Wall St. Whizzer war wuz busy praising 0bama's $800 billion "Stimulus Package" as some kind of job/economy solution in 2009, it was disappearing into thin air (or into the pockets of Solyndra and other *Dim* proxies like ACORN.)
The other items on his crack-list are arguably bi-partisan disasters to different degrees.
If he actually named any names from it I'm not aware of it.
Ok,you have a point there. I mispoke (miswrote?). I don't think he ever named any names,but restricted himself to saying things like "Members of the State Department" and "members of the US Army".
It was the left playing defense that claimed he named names,and then named some names themselves of people that WEREN'T communist agents of fellow travelers. Which when you think of it is a VERY clever way to play defense.
Having said that,when the Venona Files and the KGB archives were released it was proven beyond any doubt who he had been referring to because these names were the names of people who had been working in the State Department,US Army,etc,etc,etc.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Unless maybe you think nations like France,Italy,VN,China,and Korea were controlled by the GOP? THEY were the nations doing the most trading with the old Soviet Union. Nations YOU would call "good socialist nations".
No one said anything about any foreign country being CONTROLLED by the GOP.
Putting your fantasy words into other's posts here seems to be all you have today.
When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard
#209. To: mininggold, A K A Stone, Murron, Mad Dog, jwpegler, hondo68, sneakypete, Happy Quanzaa, Get Outta Dodge!, CZ82, jwpegler, Rudgear (#193)(Edited)
bimbitch: Erica came crawling here after s/he was banned from LP. Capitalist Eric: LOL. Want me to provide links (with time-stamps) to prove that you're lying again? bimbitch: Go for it, but first you need to prove your charge against Mike.
If Mike challenges me to prove the point, I'll be HAPPY to embarrass him.
You lie your ass off, then you try to set the rules. You think you're pretty safe, eh?
Fine. Let's START with YOU.
The post on LP where I told goldi she's a coward, she sucks, and she's a propagandist, is HERE. Oh, BTW, once I was done, my exact quote to goldi was "Now that I've said my peace, I hereby give you permission to delete my account. And f**k you very much."
The time where I started posting (as I opus'ed out of LF) is HERE.
I've proven the point, and demonstrated that you are, indeed, a lying b! tch.
You can now STFU.
PING to everyone else, for your amusement.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--
It was strange how no one seemed to care about those very same people and their supposed misdeeds as long as the USSR was our ally.
Nothing strange about it. The people who were "under suspicion" (actually known traitors) were the very people in charge of taking action against traitors. Eithe that or friends of the people who could take action. King Franklin's cabinet was riddled with communists,including his cousin-wife.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--
No one said anything about any foreign country being CONTROLLED by the GOP.
Did you or did you not write : The GOP actually prefers communist countries for manufacturing, trade and labor supply. ?
WHERE in that sentence did you restrict doing business with the commies to the United States?
I find it hard to believe that a bubble-headed globalist group-hug cretin like you didn't know the socialist nations of the world were trading with the Soviet Union the whole time they existed.
Therefor,when you claim " The GOP actually prefers communist countries for manufacturing, trade and labor supply." it implied you think the GOP is in charge of all trade.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Nothing strange about it. The people who were "under suspicion" (actually known traitors) were the very people in charge of taking action against traitors. Eithe that or friends of the people who could take action. King Franklin's cabinet was riddled with communists,including his cousin-wife.
How convenient for the GOP. Yet just voting out the guilty political party would have taken care of it. But instead Truman was elected for another term.
When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard
Uh...no...the names were very public. The "list" - which was actually several ists in several forms - had been around for years prior to McCarthy doing anything with it. The first time the Hollywood portion of the list was made public it was in a published essay called The Red Channels and that was around 1947 or 1948.
"Mosty exonerated"?
Some left the country...out of sight out of mind but the orginal "Hollywood Ten" were exonerated to a man.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
Therefor,when you claim " The GOP actually prefers communist countries for manufacturing, trade and labor supply." it implied you think the GOP is in charge of all trade.
Are you kidding? That's your obsession, not mine.
Think Nixon and take it from there.
When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard
MOST people understand that this is NOT the 1940's and 1950's.
Yet just voting out the guilty political party would have taken care of it.
Words fail me. How the HELL do you vote out wives,cabinet members,state department employees,military members,and others who were never voted into office to start with?
But instead Truman was elected for another term.
Only because King Franklin had just died,and he had a D behind his name.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Nice rambling rant with the goal of dividing and smearing, but you should stop feeling sorry for your self and nursing your vast array of resentments.
Mike, let's cut the crap; 0bama is a socialist. You support him and his policies...don't you??
His policies and agenda can be found in Alinsky Bible:
To divide and conquer, and to break the back of and DESTROY capitalism, conservatism, nationalism and American sovereignty.
You're projecting like most leftists (yet of course you claim to NOT be one-of-them.)
0bama's Communism and his anti-capitalist/anti-America policies are depriving American business of a fair opportunity to compete and create jobs and grow the economy.
Our over-regulations, tax burdens, and unreasonable restrictions can NOT compete against the near slave-labor of China and unregulated, nonrestrictive overseas operations (like GE and GM) in Brazil and Mexico. 0bama's and the Dems' policies are utterly DESTROYING the creation of jobs IN AMERICA. FWIW, Bush (both) and Bubba's NAFTA and MFN status to China without levied tariffs also bit us in the azz.
Want jobs in the US? Make it profitable and tell Commie-0bama to stop busting American capitalists' balls.
The names listed in the Venona Files were known to the public back then?
Don't you think that's kind of odd since nobody in the public even knew about the Venona Files?
The first time the Hollywood portion of the list was made public it was in a published essay called The Red Channels and that was around 1947 or 1948.
Are you talking about the HUAC list? You do know that McCarthy was a Senator,right?
"Mosty exonerated"?
Some left the country...out of sight out of mind but the orginal "Hollywood Ten" were exonerated to a man.
Really? When were the trials? Who was the judge that ruled they were not guilty?
And once again,I do believe that was the HUAC that went after Hollywood. McCarthy may have poached some of their material,but the material was there work.
BTW,"leaving the country to avoid possible charges" is NOT the same thing as being exonerated.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
How the HELL do you vote out wives,cabinet members,state department employees,military members,and others who were never voted into office to start with?
We may vote in hood ornament Senators, Congressmen, and Presidents, but the rest of the Commie/Statist machine (who have NO accountability) have been working like ravenous termites behind the scene since WWII in undermining the underpinnings of this nation.
The whole shebang is finally collapsing, and the idiots are blaming whomever Tee-Bee and the New York Times sez to blame (i.e. - NOT Washington DC.)
I challenged you. So why don't you just prove your point by posting under your ID on LP?
The exact conversation was the following:
bimbitch: Erica came crawling here after s/he was banned from LP. Capitalist Eric: LOL. Want me to provide links (with time-stamps) to prove that you're lying again? bimbitch: Go for it, but first you need to prove your charge against Mike.
You made a claim that I ran away from LP after I was banned.
You challenged me to prove that you're a liar, and I did.
Check-mate.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--
IF you were capable of having a actual thought,you would be worshiping Nixon. After all,he is the one that came out with wage and price controls,and he is the one that started the EPA.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.