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Title: Occupy Eugene Ongoing - Consensus model working so far [My home city's Occupy protest]
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eugeneweekly.com
URL Source: http://eugeneweekly.com/2011/10/20/news1.html
Published: Oct 22, 2011
Author: By Andrew Hitz and Camilla Mortensen. Ph
Post Date: 2011-10-22 17:00:35 by Ferret Mike
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Comments: 163
People in suits and people in casual clothes, cubical workers and day laborers, Duck fans and tie-dye hippies all made their way from the Wayne Morse Free Speech Plaza down to the Ferry Street Bridge Oct. 15 around 4 pm to Occupy Eugene. The crowd of 2,000 beamed smiles at each other — and high-fived the Eugene police — as they marched in solidarity with Occupy Wall Street. The group has drawn together as a nonviolent movement for accountability that is not longer content to let “corporate and special interests run their government,” according to occupyeugene.com “We — are — the 99 percent!” some chanted at the front of the crowd of almost 2,000. Eugene’s Saturday gathering was the 11th largest occupy event in the nation. “The people — united — will never be divided!” chanted others farther back. “I believe in independence, true independence and justice,” said a young woman who gave her name only as Ariel. “I think there is a serious lack of that at the moment. Everyone here is standing for so many different things but, I think when it comes down to it we can agree on those two things — as Americans.” Lauren Regan of the Civil Liberties Defense Center said, “The group has consensed upon Occupy Wall Street’s demands, but not yet our own demands which may address local issues.” Occupy Wall Street’s demands, which include disavowing corporations as individuals, “are pretty damn clear,” she says. Regan adds, “This is a nonpartisan, very broad movement that includes everyone from Republicans to anarchists.” Occupy Eugene, like Occupy Wall Street and other occupy gatherings, is run by a consensus process that Regan says is remarkably efficient. The webpage downtwinkles.com, which features a video of a Cascadia Forest Defender at Occupy Portland explaining the consensus process, is becoming a viral hit. Occupy Eugene’s Saturday general assembly reached consensus on following the St. Paul Principles, which are principles of solidarity that came out of the 2008 protests at the Republican National Convention in Minnesota. The principles include not denouncing fellow activists and events and respect for a diversity of tactics and the plans of other groups. John Flanery, a facilitator of general assemblies at the occupation and a We The People activist who participated in the march, said, “I’m tired of the collusion between big business and government am no longer willing to be ruled by the one percent.” Cooperative efforts were made Saturday night by Food Not Bombs and The Last Stand Coffee Co., among others, to provide food and drink for those occupying; the more tech-savvy connected a live stream at http://occupyeugenemedia.org/livestream/ to the web. About 100 or so of the supporters have been meeting up on a daily basis for the general assemblies that occur at 7 am and 7 pm. Fewer have been spending the night at the occupation, but supplies like tents, sleeping bags and food abound, and a first aid tent is available. How long the occupation will last is a matter of community dialogue and coordination, organizers say. Theoretically, the Saturday Market will take place on the Park Blocks next week as usual. This has caused concern for some artisans from the Saturday Market, a number of whom made a showing at the Sunday evening general assembly. Occupy Eugene says there has been an ongoing dialogue between the market and Occupy Eugene. Embodied in a spirit of collective uprising and self-reliance is not only the recognition of a broken system, but a willingness to repair it, occupiers say. David Parziale, a senior environmental studies major at the UO, say this was the Eugene he had heard of before entering school. “I came to Eugene because I thought this was a place where there would be a nice mix of between university and the activism that Eugene has a history of having,” he says. “I came here because I thought it was a place where there would be people rising up because there were unjust wars going on. This, finally, after I’m almost done with college — this is why occupy is happening. There’s finally people trying to speak up.” 
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#26. To: Ferret Mike (#24)
The guy sounds like he wants to work them and not pay them good. Five thousand a year. He is a slaver.
Meaningless tripe; When you misuse a word like 'traitor' just to snipe at someone with nothing to back it up, you discredit yourself. Not only have I worked quite hard most my life, I am a combat vet who served honerably. Your words are amusing at best, and have standing only as fiction at best, slander at worse. ;-)
Nah, he's a farmer who has the realities of the current system and market to deal with. He's a slaver only if he owns people and emprisons them and has the right to buy and sell them. You are being silly at best.
Fred did you know I have a dog named Fred. He doesn't have a last name. He is old like you. :)
It is amusing picture. It's fun making them too. I've done the same thing at sites that offer this service. ;-)
If I get another dog I'll name it Rocky or Rock Head.
Most of the post is garbled rant. She's trying to match writing skills with me and failing horribly. I feel for her. ;-D
There was a huge influx of latinos and latinas during WW II who helped do the farmwork and other labor the men off fighting couldn't do. last time I looked, that didn't mexicanize the U.S. You are fear mongering.
She's rambling again, but she'd like to slap you. Wassup wiff dat?
And there it is. The majority are the LaRaz crowd. They ain't Americans with funny accents,they are foreigners with a foreign culture. If you don't want to be an American,get the hell out of my country unless you are here as a tourist. Then you can spend your money and THEN get the hell out of my country.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Meant that last post as an answer to pete who's post the quote is from.
This is bait. Look at my tagline.
I know. Operation wetback sent them back home.
HorseHillary! First off,prayer is not banned and has never been banned in school. OFFICIAL PUBLIC prayer in PUBLIC schools has been banned,as it should. If you don't agree with me,move your ass to a Muslim neighborhood in Detroit,and send your kids to a public school in that neighborhood and then get back with me on how thrilled you are to have your kids forced to pray to Mohammed and Allah. Secondly,nobody is preventing even public prayer in private religious schools. If you think your children are the spawn of Satan and just HAVE to pray daily,nobody is preventing you from sending them to a church school.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I disagree with them on many things. But for someone whom I allegedly 'demonize,' it is odd then I have made many of the local Teahadist functions and listened to them and engaged them in discourse. If I thought they were like devils you Christians believe in, I don't think I'd go and do that, now.
Will you take the "I will not vote for Obama no matte what pledge"?
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried,or more blind if you plucked your own eyes out.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
You are correct, prayer was never banned in school. Organized prayer where those who did not participate because of religious difference and often were picked on for it was banned. Prayer is very much allowed in school.
That's because Gawd hated your team.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I'm in my 60's,and grew up and went to school in Virginia. Despite it being heavily infested with fundie thumpers,I don't remember EVER praying to God in school as a child. That was reserved for church and home.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I agree. Mostly. If someone wants to immigrate here to become an American and live free and they have a occupation or trade that is useful,I'm all for letting them in. NO MORE RELIGIOUS OR POLITICAL REFUGEES,though! Coming here to hide out from your own people and becoming a parasite that lives off the blood and sweat of Americans is not acceptable as a valid reason to let you in. If you don't like it at home,take up a rifle and go into politics there.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
You often try to bully me about not being your faith, and here you want to browbeat me about November 2012. Won't work. Whether I vote, or don't vote or decide to vote for, I wait for the election season to be well under way before I worry about who I vote for. I didn't give President Obama any donations last election, and I wrote in someone in the primary. That is not the behavior of someone who allegedly sees this guy as a savior of some sort. Give it a rest.
Secondly,nobody is preventing even public prayer in private religious schools. If you think your children are the spawn of Satan and just HAVE to pray daily,nobody is preventing you from sending them to a church school. I think it should be like in Germany. You choose where your kid goes to school. The money follows the student. I had my kids in private school for years. But the price went up to much for me to afford anymore. It sucks. I think any teacher should be allowed to exercise their religion in the classroom and influence the students. If the parents don't like it they should be to put their kids in another class. I don't think you can or should try to force people to be christians. You are or you aren't. You should be able to try and persuade them if you so choose though. Freedom of religion doesn't mean muslims. It means baptist, Presbyterian etc. Different christian sects. There were no muslim founding fathers. They despised muslims as far as I know. Go ahead rip me on this one I don't care. When I went to Ross Jr High School in El Paso Texas back in the 80's. A teacher told a student she wasn't allowed to bring her bible to class. I was offended. On preventing you from sending your kids to private christian school. Yes you are prevented. You have to pay taxes for government school. Then the bill for private school. If you send your kids to private school, you should get your tax money back to help you fund that choice.
Are The People.....who understand that Individuality and Independence are the guts of Life and Freedom. Some see Life as the numbers of years you live, Others see it as to how much Life.....you experience in a year/years. Some live half the time as others, and have experienced.....More Life : ) The system hates that people can dream and be independent. Maximus: If you find yourself alone, riding in green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled. For you are in Elysium, and are already dead! Some Military organizations of states in History had soldiers,....servants,...who saw life like this. We joke around calling people bots, talk about endangered : )
You're right. I should have said there is no such thing as a profitable family farm anymore. They are just too small to make a profit. If you have enough money to go out and buy new tractors,combines,tractor-trailers,and all the other equipment needed to farm today,you don't need to work for a living. Most of the small family farms I see are hobby farms more than anything else.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I've got Buchanans new book. Haven't read to far into it yet. But I'm liking it. If only he was listened to back in 92. I think he would have been a good President.
It should primarily be taught at home. But if someone wants to say something they should be allowed to. Free speech you know. No law.... No law has a meaning.
People are not black and white. Some conservatives believe in things many liberals hold true, and this works the other way around. Not to mention trying to put words in the mouth of your concept of god that are self serving in a way to villify an entire class of people is a fool's errand at best.
You're right. It is not 100 percent. More like 94 percent.
Maybe you should try paying them more? Whining about the workers that earn 5,000 a year being forced to leave ain't no way to get me on your side. Do you or any of YOUR children think a 5k a year job is a "good job"? If not,why did you describe it that way? There ain't no such thing as a free lunch,bucko! Step up to the plate and accept less profits due to paying your help more,and there won't be any shortage of workers. They damn sure don't have high-paying factory jobs to go to.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
There were no scholarships to lighten the fee load? That is how I got to go to a private school; my grades were so high I qualified for scholarships to pay much of the cost. There were six kids in my family growing up. Without this help, I would of gone to public school too.
Yeah,and almost all of them came here to be Americans,too. They didn't come here to make this into Mexico. Most even insisted that English be spoken in their homes,and refused to teach their children how to speak Spanish. Compare that to the invaders coming here today that insist we speak Spanish to them.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
If you ever put your kids in private school the government will not help you. The school did cut us a good discount. Last year it was 750 a month. That was rough. This year it was supposed to increase quite a bit more. I don't remember the exact number. I don't think their price is unreasonable. It was just getting to much. Makes it hard to save money and stuff. Especially since my wife wasn't working at the time.
Will you take the "I will not vote for Romney or Perry no matter what!" pledge?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Why is the text different sizes in my posts.
No,but the fact that you somehow "overlooked" making the statement that you didn't vote for him in the general election speaks louder than all your protests. I say the same thing to both you and Stone. "You are either a part of the solution,or you are a part of the problem."
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
When I worked in the woods planting trees and doing other reforestation work, I was paid well. I have gotten as much as 20.00 an hour doing a job i had to pay 200-400 dollars for boots, 50.00 for quality rain gear, sat in a work vehicle for hours at a time going to and from the job site, and because the work is bid out, companies with latino crews outbid Greenhill Reforestation and the Hoedads for whom I worked. So now people do this work for about ten bucks an hour which makes it much lower when you factor in the costs of material and unpaide travel time. You are preaching to the choir. I had to put aside my initial anger at how I was disenfranchized from work I loved to learn enough to se the bigger picture; that it made no sense to scape goat mexican pawns used by uncrupulous people to pit one workforce against another to profit from the savings. I don't waste time hating and villifying economic pawns; I save that for the people that use them.
No. I despise Obama to much. Out of the candidates to choose from. Here are my top 3. 1. Ron Paul 2. Herman Cain 3. Rick Perry I like Ron Paul. I like many things about Herman Cain. I hope Rick Perry is ok and really a conservative. I've lived in Texas. I can understand his position on Mexican immigration. Well I can kind of understand it. Yeah it sucks.
With respect, my vote for President Obama in 2008 is a matter of record. I see no need to repeat myself, especially in light of how I am talking to Stone who has trouble telling bait apart from debate.
Maybe you hate him too much. From my perspective you offer your POV as, "Agree with me or you are fucking scum." This sort of bombastic presentation does not invite people to find commonality; it drives a wedge between them.
Yeah so what. That is only on certain fundamental issues though. Not the example you are looking for but I will give you one. If you think rape is ok then I disagree with you and think you are scum. See how that works? Another example. Say you think we should have a tax rate on the rich of 70 percent. Say I think everyone should pay 10 percent flat tax. I may think your idea is stupid but I don't think you are scum for that position.
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#27. To: Murron (#23)
"...and son- of-a-bitchin TRAITORS like you."
#28. To: A K A Stone (#26)
"He is a slaver."
#29. To: Fred Mertz (#25)
#30. To: Fred Mertz (#25)
(Edited)
"Mammy, that's a funny post, especially with the pic. Thanks."
#31. To: A K A Stone (#29)
#32. To: Fred Mertz (#25)
#33. To: sneakypete (#20)
"I don't. Not unless they are here legally,and here because they want to live free,not here to make money to send to Mexico or to turn American into Mexico."
#34. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
I'd just love to Slap You Stupid, but someone has beat me to it, you and your kind who'd give the last bite of food out of the mouths of your own family, and give it away to squatters that take everything that's not nailed down, in a country they don't even belong in.
#35. To: A K A Stone, Ferret Mike (#10)
We have different cultures and values.
#36. To: All, A K A Stone, Sneakypete (#33)
#37. To: A K A Stone (#16)
"Ferret is going to vote to reelect him. You probably too."
#38. To: Ferret Mike (#33)
There was a huge influx of latinos and latinas during WW II who helped do the farmwork and other labor the men off fighting couldn't do. last time I looked, that didn't mexicanize the U.S.
#39. To: A K A Stone (#13)
NO PRAYER IN SCHOOL!
#40. To: A K A Stone (#18)
"You've demonized the tea party from the beginning."
#41. To: Ferret Mike (#37)
#42. To: A K A Stone (#15)
The common foe is liberalism. Which is basically love everything God hates and hate everything God loves.
#43. To: sneakypete, A K A Stone (#39)
#44. To: Fred Mertz (#17)
We even said them on the bus ride to sporting events. We often lost.
#45. To: A K A Stone (#19)
Was America better back then or now when we don't have it?
#46. To: A K A Stone (#21)
We need to stop legal immigration too. At least for a generation or two.
#47. To: A K A Stone (#41)
"Will you take the "I will not vote for Obama no matte what pledge"?"
#48. To: sneakypete (#39)
HorseHillary! First off,prayer is not banned and has never been banned in school. OFFICIAL PUBLIC prayer in PUBLIC schools has been banned,as it should. If you don't agree with me,move your ass to a Muslim neighborhood in Detroit,and send your kids to a public school in that neighborhood and then get back with me on how thrilled you are to have your kids forced to pray to Mohammed and Allah.
#49. To: sneakypete (#20)
When you destroy the American middle-class,you have destroyed America. WE are the people that made it work,not the bankers or the lawyers.
The evidence of that hatred is seen in a nations history as the Laws start to explode in numeric to the point of rebellion.
Thats why the Spartans could pull off a Thermopylae against tens of thousands.
yet the reality is evidence of mental bondage and dysfunction ...on a scale now,when we factor in organized Religion which is staggering.
Their minds system restore/reset .....back to the factory program
They are incapable of original thought and inspiration/imagination.
People who agree with the Gov that the water that falls on your land from the sky above,....is not yours to use.
so ya...its not just a few fooked up people we have to navigate around this life,
its Billions!
#50. To: A K A Stone (#22)
Yes there is. My Uncle has one. (But I understand your point that there aren't many.
#51. To: sneakypete (#46)
#52. To: sneakypete (#45)
I'm in my 60's,and grew up and went to school in Virginia. Despite it being heavily infested with fundie thumpers,I don't remember EVER praying to God in school as a child. That was reserved for church and home.
#53. To: A K A Stone (#15)
"The common foe is liberalism. Which is basically love everything God hates and hate everything God loves."
#54. To: Ferret Mike (#53)
People are not black and white. Some conservatives believe in things many liberals hold true, and this works the other way around.
#55. To: Ferret Mike (#24)
"That's just the kind of stuff you come across. Somebody who really wants a good job and is prepared to work hard and honest for it isn't going to come up here for four months in the year.
#56. To: A K A Stone (#48)
"I had my kids in private school for years. But the price went up to much for me to afford anymore. It sucks."
#57. To: Ferret Mike (#33)
There was a huge influx of latinos and latinas during WW II who helped do the farmwork and other labor the men off fighting couldn't do. last time I looked, that didn't mexicanize the U.S.
#58. To: Ferret Mike (#56)
#59. To: A K A Stone, Ferret Mike (#41)
Will you take the "I will not vote for Obama no matte what pledge"?
#60. To: pinguinite (#58)
#61. To: Ferret Mike (#47)
I didn't give President Obama any donations last election, and I wrote in someone in the primary. That is not the behavior of someone who allegedly sees this guy as a savior of some sort.
#62. To: sneakypete (#55)
"Maybe you should try paying them more? Whining about the workers that earn 5,000 a year being forced to leave ain't no way to get me on your side."
#63. To: sneakypete (#59)
Will you take the "I will not vote for Romney or Perry no matter what!" pledge?
#64. To: sneakypete (#61)
(Edited)
"No,but the fact that you somehow "overlooked" making the statement that you didn't vote for him in the general election speaks louder than all your protests."
#65. To: A K A Stone (#63)
"No. I despise Obama to much."
#66. To: Ferret Mike (#65)
"Agree with me or you are fucking scum."
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