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Title: Auto Bailout Done, Obama Looks for Payback
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The NY Times
URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/14/u ... to-jobs-come-back.html?_r=1&hp
Published: Oct 14, 2011
Author: JEFF ZELENY and MONICA DAVEY
Post Date: 2011-10-14 11:30:59 by war
Keywords: AntiBailout Republicans, Can Kiss, Michigan Good-Bye!!!
Views: 4087
Comments: 14
ORION TOWNSHIP, Mich. — President Obama arrives here on Friday on another visit to Michigan, seeking not only the electoral votes that are essential to his re-election effort, but a platform for a far bigger message. He has returned again and again, nine times since taking office, to argue that his decision to bail out two of the Big Three automakers helped workers here and across the industrial Midwest. He has offered up a rebuttal to criticism about the value of government intervention. The president’s path to a second term is built around winning a wide swath of states, including many with close ties to the auto industry. They are home to some of his biggest political and substantive challenges, including a depressed economy, a disenchanted middle class and a disdain for government highlighted by the Tea Party movement. A handful of states he carried in 2008 could slip away, but Democrats believe Mr. Obama cannot lose Michigan, fearing that other states will be even harder to hold. Shifting demographics and deep economic burdens have snapped the Democratic Party’s recent hold on the state and given Republicans confidence that Michigan is again one of the country’s most fiercely competitive battlegrounds. Mitt Romney, who was born in Michigan and chose the birthplace of the American automobile to announce his presidential bid at the Henry Ford Museum four years ago, has denounced the rescue of the industry. He repeated his position at a Republican presidential debate this week, declaring: “Should they have used the funds to bail out General Motors and Chrysler? No, that was the wrong source for that funding.” But more than two years after the White House offered a government lifeline to help the industry survive the recession and a credit crunch, the General Motors assembly plant here has roared to life, producing the only subcompact car made on American soil, the Chevrolet Sonic. On Friday, Mr. Obama will tour a downsized version of the plant in Lake Orion, which President Ronald Reagan came to dedicate in 1984. Reagan won the White House with the help of middle-class Democrats in the suburbs of Detroit, including Oakland County, whose mix of independent voters and upper-income residents makes it a bellwether for Mr. Obama. Monica Shepard, who has worked at General Motors for three decades as an electrician, remembers the day that Mr. Reagan visited. She conceded that Mr. Obama may not be as popular, but she said many people here were grateful, even if the restructuring created a two-tiered system under which nonunion workers are paid a fraction of previous wages. “Every small businessman that I know, they’re all glad the president bailed out General Motors because without that, the whole area would be obliterated,” said Ms. Shepard, 54, as she left her afternoon shift the other day. “I voted for him to do a job and I would like to see him follow through.” As the presidential race intensifies, Michigan will become more than a trove of 16 electoral votes. It will be a virtual laboratory for some of the most central themes of the campaign in a state that embodies the changing face of the nation’s economy. If Republicans carry the state for the first time since 1988 in a presidential race — an outcome that advisers to Mr. Obama strongly dismiss — he will probably face a similar erosion of support across Ohio, Pennsylvania and other Rust Belt states. But even if Mr. Obama wins the state, where independent voters and some Republicans may be inclined to support him because of jobs created by the slow revival of the auto industry, the bailout argument could carry significant weight elsewhere. “I don’t see how you win the White House without Michigan,” said Stan Greenberg, a Democrat, who has been conducting polls and studying Michigan politics since 1982. “I do not assume that Michigan will fall back into being a blue state. It will be on the edge.” The president’s argument — and early signs of a potential revival of support — will be tested here in Oakland County, a Republican stronghold that Mr. Reagan carried by 22 points in 1980. It steadily gravitated toward the Democratic Party, with George W. Bush narrowly losing in 2000 and 2004. Mr. Obama won the county by 15 points four years ago, but the Republican candidate for governor, Rick Snyder, carried it last year by more than 20 points. “The whole wave he rode in on isn’t here anymore,” said Dennis Pittman, the executive director of the Oakland County Republican Party, speaking about Mr. Obama. “He’s in trouble here.” A majority of voters across Michigan have a negative assessment of Mr. Obama’s performance. Only 38 percent gave him a positive rating, while 61 percent rated him negatively, according to a statewide poll conducted Oct. 1 through Oct. 4 by Epic-MRA. Still, 46 percent of Michigan voters have a favorable opinion of Mr. Obama, the poll found, compared with 47 percent who have an unfavorable view. The unemployment rate in Michigan climbed higher after Mr. Obama took office, surpassing 14 percent. But after the bailout of the auto industry, it began dropping gradually. In August, it was 11.2 percent, still above the national average of 9.1 percent. Former Gov. Jennifer Granholm, a Democrat whose term expired last year, said Michigan — before and after federal government intervention — should be viewed as a test for confronting the nation’s economic woes. By her account, she initially attacked the problem with cuts in spending, in state workers and in the size of government, all seen as antidotes to the nation’s troubles. “It was only that active government that started to see us trending in the right direction rather than continuing that downward spiral,” she said in a recent interview. Governor Snyder, who was elected in a Republican wave that also helped the party win several statewide offices, a majority on the state Supreme Court, control of the state House and a bigger majority in the state Senate, said the economy of Michigan had shown modest signs of rebounding. “The whole feeling and atmosphere is improved,” he said, but declined to say who should receive credit. Yet the stark population changes have injected uncertainty into campaign. Michigan was the only state in the country to lose population in the last 10 years. Predictable pockets of Democratic strength are less reliable. Detroit, the state’s largest city with a majority black population, lost a quarter of its residents, with more than 200,000 people leaving. Several demographers who analyzed the census said Democrats had reason for concern, but added that some shifts could also harm Republicans. Over all, fewer blacks now live in Michigan. Among the other groups shrinking in numbers are whites, blue-collar residents and younger people. “It’s true that there aren’t as many base voters to work with,” said Jill Alper, a Democratic strategist in Michigan, who has advised state and presidential campaigns. “But the independent voter pool is big enough and there are many friendly voters within it who are up for grabs.” The White House is aware of its challenges. Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. has visited six times, including two stops this week. And for months now, the re-election campaign has been reactivating its old network. The other night, Barbara Williamson, a retired teacher, made calls in her living room. A large plate of cookies sat untouched, with only one other volunteer on hand. “It’s going to be a very close election,” she said. “Republicans want him to be a one-termer.” Kitty Bennett contributed research.
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#1. To: war (#0)
How much does he demand for his "re-election fund...?"
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... "Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation-- 1 vote apiece...
[RENT THIS SPACE INSIDE BOOFER'S HEAD]
How much does he demand for his "re-election fund...?" 1 vote apiece... . . . . from every live (AND DEAD) current and former auto worker and union hack
__________________________________________________________________________________________ Voter fraud isn't unique to one party...
[RENT THIS SPACE INSIDE BOOFER'S HEAD]
Lol - IN the Caymans bank account already.
“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.” ~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky
But massive fraud danced to by 0bama in broad daylight is.
“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.” ~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky
True - but to use a sports analogy: According to ESPN, the 1976 Buccaneers were the worst, and the 1985 Bears were the best professional football teams of all time. Yet they were both (technically) NFL teams. Like the Bears, the dems ARE THE BEST at what they do (fraud.) Like the Bucs, the GOP are pikers.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ Given 2000 and 2004, NFW...
[RENT THIS SPACE INSIDE BOOFER'S HEAD]
According to ESPN, the 1976 Buccaneers were the worst, and the 1985 Bears were the best professional football teams of all time. Yet they were both (technically) NFL teams. Like the Bears, the dems ARE THE BEST at what they do (fraud.) Like the Bucs, the GOP are pikers. Ha! That is great!
“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.” ~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky
war, you're becoming too predictable. Even if the point is conceded about 2000 and 2004 (which I don't, but I'll let it slide for now), the history and degree of voter fraud and outright theft and corruption is so heavily tilted to the dems vis a vis the reps that it's not even debatable. How far do you want to go back? Landslide Lyndon in 1948? The corrupt democrat machine politics of literally every major city in the US which began in the 20th century and continues to this day? New York? Chicago? Philly? Detroit? C'mon war let it go already. I know you love the democrats and everything statist that they stand for, but for honesty's sake at least take your blinders off on this point.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ Man are you wrong...the 20's, arguably the most corrupt period of politics in terms of voter fraud and vote rigging and etc etc etc, was dominated by the GOP just about everywhere except NY. Unfortunately for NY and the Dems, the NY corruption became the face of ALL political corruption.
[RENT THIS SPACE INSIDE BOOFER'S HEAD]
Philly didn't elect a dem as Mayor from about the 1870's until the 1950's. But thanks for playing.
[RENT THIS SPACE INSIDE BOOFER'S HEAD]
Yeah, that's faaar more "corrupt" than today... I guess 0bama and his cohorts are NOT stealing billions from taxpayers in money laundering deals with solar companies, giving thousands of guns to Mexican gangsters, and shaking down small and large American business and corporations alike in exchange for favors and campaign contributions. And we're not even citing all the Dem-machine election corruption and fraud and intimidation, and justice dept. injustice and instituted racism.
“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.” ~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky
That's the only way at least 1/3rd to 1/2 of them can get elected.......
"CHANGE" you can step in..... Auto Bailout Done, Obama Looks for Payback
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff? 
#2. To: Capitalist Eric (#1)
#3. To: Capitalist Eric, war (#2)
Auto Bailout Done, Obama Looks for Payback
EASTER ISLAND MYSTERY - - SOLVED!!
#4. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#3)
#5. To: Capitalist Eric (#1)
How much does he demand for his "re-election fund...?"
#6. To: war (#4)
Voter fraud isn't unique to one party...
#7. To: war (#4)
Voter fraud isn't unique to one party...
EASTER ISLAND MYSTERY - - SOLVED!!
#8. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#7)
Like the Bucs, the GOP are pikers.
#9. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#7)
True - but to use a sports analogy:
#10. To: war (#8)
EASTER ISLAND MYSTERY - - SOLVED!!
#11. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#10)
(Edited)
war, you're becoming too predictable. Even if the point is conceded about 2000 and 2004 (which I don't, but I'll let it slide for now), the history and degree of voter fraud and outright theft and corruption is so heavily tilted to the dems vis a vis the reps that it's not even debatable.
#12. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#10)
Philly?
#13. To: war, Get Outta Dodge! (#11)
(Edited)
the 20's, arguably the most corrupt period of politics in terms of voter fraud and vote rigging and etc etc etc
#14. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#10)
The corrupt democrat machine politics of literally every major city in the US which began in the 20th century and continues to this day? New York? Chicago? Philly? Detroit?
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
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