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Title: SUICIDE OF A SUPERPOWER. by Patrick J. Buchanan
Source: Drudge
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Published: Oct 14, 2011
Author: Patrick J. Buchanan
Post Date: 2011-10-14 09:08:42 by A K A Stone
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Views: 89440
Comments: 180

BOOK WARNS OF END Fri Oct 14 2011 07:00:25 ET

**Exclusive**

"As the faith that gave birth to the West is dying in the West, peoples of European descent from the steppes of Russia to the coast of California have begun to die out, as the Third World treks north to claim the estate. The last decade provided corroborating if not conclusive proof that we are in the Indian Summer of our civilization."

So begins Pat Buchanan in his hardcore work, SUICIDE OF A SUPERPOWER.

"Will America Survive to 2025?"

Buchanan, set for maximum controversy, launches all rockets at introduction "Disintegrating Nation" -- and does not let up for 400-plus pages.

"America is disintegrating. The centrifugal forces pulling us apart are growing inexorably. What unites us is dissolving. And this is true of Western Civilization....Meanwhile, the state is failing in its most fundamental duties. It is no longer able to defend our borders, balance our budgets, or win our wars."

The books reads as if its been written to be left behind in the ruins, only to be found by a future civilization.

SUICIDE ranked #2,668 on AMAZON's hit parade early Friday. It streets on Tuesday.

Now only the DRUDGE REPORT can offer a look inside.

Chapter 1: The Passing of a Superpower

“We have accepted today the existence in perpetuity of a permanent underclass of scores of millions who cannot cope and must be carried by society -- fed, clothed, housed, tutored, medicated at taxpayer’s expense their entire lives. We have a dependent nation the size of Spain in our independent America. We have a new division in our country, those who pay a double or triple fare, and those who ride forever free.”

Chapter 2. The End of Christian America

If [Christopher] Dawson is correct, the drive to de-Christianize America, to purge Christianity from the public square, public schools and public life, will prove culturally and socially suicidal for the nation.

“The last consequence of a dying Christianity is a dying people. Not one post-Christian nation has a birth rate sufficient to keep it alive....The death of European Christianity means the disappearance of the European tribe, a prospect visible in the demographic statistics of every Western nation.”

Chapter 3. The Crisis of Catholicism

“Half a century on, the disaster is manifest. The robust and confident Church of 1958 no longer exists. Catholic colleges and universities remain Catholic in name only. Parochial schools and high schools are closing as rapidly as they opened in the 1950s. The numbers of nuns, priests and seminarians have fallen dramatically. Mass attendance is a third of what it was. From the former Speaker of the House to the Vice President, Catholic politicians openly support abortion on demand.”

“How can Notre Dame credibly teach that all innocent life is sacred, and then honor a president committed to ensuring that a woman’s right to end the life of her innocent child remains sacrosanct?”

Chapter 4. The End of White America

“[W]hite America is an endangered species. By 2020, whites over 65 will out-number those 17 and under. Deaths will exceed births. The white population will begin to shrink and, should present birth rates persist, slowly disappear.”

“Mexico is moving north. Ethnically, linguistically and culturally, the verdict of 1848 is being over-turned. Will this Mexican nation within a nation advance the goals of the Constitution -- to “insure domestic tranquility” and ‘make us a more perfect union’? Or have we imperiled our union?” (Page 134)

Chapter 5. Demographic Winter

“Peoples of European descent are not only in a relative but a real decline. They are aging, dying, disappearing. This is the existential crisis of the West.” (Page 166)

“Not any Iranian weapon of mass destruction but demography is the existential crisis Israel faces....By mid-century...Palestinians west of the Jordan river will out-number Jews 2-1. Add Palestinians in Jordan, it is 3-1.”

“In a startling development of history, Russia’s population has fallen from 148 million in 1991 to 140 million today and is projected to plunge to 116 million by 2050, a loss of 32 million Russians in six decades.”

Chapter 6. Equality Vs. Freedom

“Those who would change society begin by changing the meaning of words. At Howard University, LBJ changed the meaning of equality from the attainable -- an end to segregation and a legislated equality of rights for African-Americans -- to the impossible: a socialist utopia.”

“Where equality is enthroned, freedom is extinguished. The rise of the egalitarian society means the death of the free society.”

“A time for truth. As most kids do not have the athletic ability to play high school sports, or the musical ability to play in the band, or the verbal ability to excel in debate, not every child has the academic ability to do high school work. No two children are created equal, not even identical twins. The family is the incubator of inequality and God its author.”

Chapter 7. The Diversity Cult

“The non-Europeanization of America is heartening news of an almost transcendental quality,” Wattenberg trilled.4 Yet, one wonders: What kind of man looks with transcendental joy to a day when the people among whom he was raised have become a minority in a nation where the majority rules?”

“Historians will look back in stupor at 20th and 21st century Americans who believed the magnificent republic they inherited would be enriched by bringing in scores of millions from the failed states of the Third World.”

Chapter 8: The Triumph Of Tribalism

America’s war of revenge against Japan was a race war. Newsreels, movies, magazines, comic books, headlines treated “Japs” as a repulsive race whose extermination would benefit mankind....Only well after the war was over was it re-branded a war to bring the blessings of democracy to...Japan.

We may deny the existence of ethnonationalism, detest it, condemn it. But this creator and destroyer of empires and nations is a force infinitely more powerful than globalism, for it engages the heart. Men will die for it. Religion, race, culture and tribe are the four horsemen of the coming apocalypse.

Chapter 9. ‘The White Party’

“Through its support of mass immigration, its paralysis in power to prevent 12-20 million illegal aliens from entering and staying, its failure to address the “anchor-baby” issue, the Republican Party has birthed a new electorate that will send it the way of the Whigs.”

Chapter 10: The Long Retreat

“We borrow from Europe to defend Europe. We borrow from the Gulf states to defend the Gulf states. We borrow from Japan to defend Japan. Is it not a symptom of senility to be borrowing from the world so we can defend the world?”

“Are vital U.S. interests more imperiled by what happens in Iraq where were have 50,000 troops, or Afghanistan where we have 100,000, or South Korea where we have 28,000 -- or by what is happening on our border with Mexico?...What does it profit America if we save Anbar and lose Arizona?”

Chapter 11: The Last Chance

“We are trying to create a nation that has never before existed, of all the races, tribes, cultures and creeds of Earth, where all are equal. In this utopian drive for the perfect society of our dreams we are killing the real country we inherited -- the best and greatest country on earth.”

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This sounds like a must read book. Maybe Pat Buchanan should enter the race. I'd vote for him.

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#44. To: Liberator (#38)

Yes, that 0bama is a LARGE Communist/Fascist problem.

;-)

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mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-14   10:43:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Liberator (#37)

That Bloomberg and 0bama - beddy bad men!

war criminals the correct phrasing....8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-14   10:44:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: A K A Stone (#43)

You would post a tagline that offends you to shine a light on something that someone said.

So it doesn't offend you. Ok.

So where's my prize?

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-14   10:45:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: A K A Stone (#2)

“Those who would change society begin by changing the meaning of words.

Hear that Pete? You are a good guy generally but he is talking about you being duped here.

Really?

Give examples.

One example that I'm not is that I understand that just because Pat says something,that doesn't mean HE believes it. It simply means he thinks he can make money by saying it.

Yes,he does make valid points. Many of them points others are too PC to highlight. This doesn't mean he isn't a Charlatan.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   10:47:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: mininggold (#46)

So where's my prize?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   10:47:46 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: sneakypete (#47)

Really?

Give examples.

Marriage. Check mate.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   10:48:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: A K A Stone (#4)

What does it profit America if we save Anbar and lose Arizona?”

No doubt about it,that is a great line and would be a great tag line for internet sites that allow tag lines.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   10:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: sneakypete (#50) (Edited)

No doubt about it,that is a great line and would be a great tag line for internet sites that allow tag lines.

I think we have a contest going on here, so go for it.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-14   10:50:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: A K A Stone (#9)

Well, the big wineries and many other ag product exporters just got their tariffs removed, in the name of 'free markets'.

Obama sucks.

Do you REALLY think Barry Soetoro is behind this,or that this wouldn't have been done if the alleged Republican known as Boy Jorge Bush were in office?

Modern party politics is nothing more than a high-priced shell game.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   10:51:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#5) (Edited)

Why do Americans always assume Europeans are all in the same family? In America they all get mixed in together so "whites" are all the same group in America, etc.

In Europe, people that look identical to each other and speak almost the same language kill each other without second thought if they could - see Serbs/Croats.

See, I read this from Pat and I am as a European I am thinking, "why is Pat including all white Europeans as one people with a shared destiny vs all other people?"

That is like if Pat was Chinese and he was saying that Koreans and Japanese and Chinese are all one civilization and people - it is not so. It's more complicated than that.

There is no Western civilization per say. It is an illusion created by historians to illustrate history over a span of time.

The reason Europeans are having less children (outside of Russia) is because they are wealthy. Its the same reason Japan is seeing a limited demographic growth. Wealth and modernity creates a culture where people marry later and when they have kids have 1 or 2. It can also be a sign of consumer culture, more kids means more expenses and less money to buy a second car or summer home, etc.

Poor nations produce more children because they are not a consumer culture and more kids means more security for the family, etc.

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   10:53:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: sneakypete (#52)

Do you REALLY think Barry Soetoro is behind this,or that this wouldn't have been done if the alleged Republican known as Boy Jorge Bush were in office?

I think it happened under Obama so he is responsible. Most Republican Presidential candidates and Bush would have done the same thing.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   10:54:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#10) (Edited)

But big ag and foreign countries exerted the pressure just like what's behind ninety percent of those regulations that keep the little guy from getting ahead but leaves the big guy 'grandfathered' in.

Can you say former Senate Majority leader,Republican Presidential candidate,and Archer-Daniels-Midland spokescritter/lobbyist "Viagra Bob" Dolt?

Folks,there ain't nothing new about Globalism. It's just out of the closet and wearing expensive custom suits now.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   10:54:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: mcgowanjm (#16)

Why do Corporations have MORE rights than humans?

Because they are artificial humans that happen to have tons of VERY real money to blackmail or otherwise buy politicians.

And before you get started on your Holy Left Crusade,there are damn few people who aren't blackmail candidates on one level or another,and none that are politicians. Even if the man or woman themselves are as pure as the driven snow in their personal lives,they have relatives they love and want to protect.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   10:59:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: sneakypete (#56)

And before you get started on your Holy Left Crusade

You've got it down....no need...8D

Reality or insanity...U Pic 'Em

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-14   11:02:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: A K A Stone, mininggold, all, *Hypocrisy and Hypocrites* (#26)

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

Does that statement by Clark Howard offend you? It happens to be true. Their is opportunity in a downturn.

Leftist icon George Soros is a prime example of this. His entire life is based on profiting from the misfortune and losses of others,starting back in the days when he was helping the Nazi's catch and exterminate his fellow Jews.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:04:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Liberator (#27) (Edited)

The manic drive and agenda to de-Christianize America has been the single greatest accomplishment of the Secular Humanists, Statists, and Communists. Their credo: "DIVIDE AND CONQUER."

And here I was thinking it was the credo of the Catholic Church,which spread down to the offshoot religious cults, and fundie Islam!

Just look at the wonderful examples of a peaceful society Christianity created in Ireland,and Islam created in the Middle East for proof of this.

You will never be able to see this basic truth,though. Even the mere thought would make you uncomfortable.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:06:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Godwinson (#53)

Why do Americans always assume Europeans are all in the same family?

Because they share a common religious heritage? Borders? Economy? Currency? Appearance? DNA?

Other than that, they're totally different.

In Europe, people that look identical to each other and speak almost the same language kill each other without second thought if they could - see Serbs/Croats.

Tribalism and clans have ALWAYS fought each other, haven't they?

There is no Western civilization per say. It is an illusion created by historians to illustrate history over a span of time.

One of THE dopiest comments you've ever made. Wow.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:12:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: sneakypete (#59)

The manic drive and agenda to de-Christianize America has been the single greatest accomplishment of the Secular Humanists, Statists, and Communists. Their credo: "DIVIDE AND CONQUER."

And here I was thinking it was the credo of the Catholic Church,which spread down to the offshoot religious cults, and fundie Islam!

HUH? Catholics and Islam colluded to "Divide and Conquer" the US??

Just look at the wonderful examples of a peaceful society Christianity created in Ireland, and Islam created in the Middle East for proof of this.

Ireland and the Ottoman Empire are NOT analogous.

Secondly, murder "in the name of Jesus Christ" is *anti-Christian*, whereas Allah openly condones it in the Koran.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:20:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: sneakypete (#59)

You will never be able to see this basic truth,though. Even the mere thought would make you uncomfortable.

Lol - WHAT "truth"?

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:21:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: sneakypete, Liberator (#59)

Just look at the wonderful examples of a peaceful society Christianity created in Ireland,and Islam created in the Middle East for proof of this.

Sneak, you're a great poster and one I agree with more often than not. That said, I just want to comment on this point:

Yes, you'll see religious wars and conflicts throughout history. There's no denying that.

But the Founder of Christianity DID NOT advocate violence - he instead said "My kingdom IS NOT of this world" and urged His followers to turn the other cheek.

The fact that some who call themselves Christians fail to act like it is strictly on them.

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Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-10-14   11:25:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Liberator, sneakypete (#61) (Edited)

Secondly, murder "in the name of Jesus Christ" is *anti-Christian*, whereas Allah openly condones it in the Koran.

Except during the Crusades or the Protestant self-justifications for eradicating indigenous peoples. I guess Christians in hindsight figured out eventually Jesus was not into wars in his name but only after they lost a war or wiped out the natives.....

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   11:27:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Liberator (#60) (Edited)

No European or American until the late 19th century used the term "Western civilization" and as WW1 and WW2 showed - it was a meaningless concept as far as binding people together.

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   11:31:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: mcgowanjm (#33)

Slave does not want Master.

ROFLMAO!

If history proves anything,it is that the majority of people want to be slaves in order to feel like they "belong" and are loved by a superior that cares enough about them to make all their decisions and protect them from reality.

Hell,just in recent history alone,Communism proves that,doesn't it,comrade? And Communism is just an example of one of the most recent religions.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:32:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Get Outta Dodge!, sneakypete (#63)

Yes, you'll see religious wars and conflicts throughout history. There's no denying that.

But the Founder of Christianity DID NOT advocate violence - he instead said "My kingdom IS NOT of this world" and urged His followers to turn the other cheek.

The fact that some who call themselves Christians fail to act like it is strictly on them.

Well and properly stated...

But Pete realizes that. He's just bustin' balls.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:34:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Liberator (#38)

Yes, that 0bama is a LARGE Communist/Fascist problem.

Do you agree or disagree with the point that RINO's like Boy Jorge and John McLunatic are the starboard side of the same ship on which Dims like Barry Soetoro are the port side?

That both are passengers along for the ride to the same ultimate destination?

Yes,or no?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:35:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Godwinson (#64)

Murder "in the name of Jesus Christ" is *anti-Christian*, whereas Allah openly condones it in the Koran.

Except during the Crusades or the Protestant self-justifications for eradicating indigenous peoples.

What part of "Murder 'in the name of Jesus Christ' is *anti-Christian*" didn't you get?

I guess Christians in hindsight figured out eventually Jesus was not into wars in his name but only after they lost a war or wiped out the natives.....

Uh, you DO realize ALL men since the dawn of time have aspired to dominance by "wiping out" or "warring" against other people, right? That means even "natives" did so against other natives.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:39:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: A K A Stone (#49)

Really?

Give examples.

Marriage. Check mate.

I have been seduced by the Great Communist/Great Muslim Conspiracy because I keep insisting that ALL Americans have the same rights?

Yeah,how "Nazi" of me.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:40:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Liberator (#69)

You do realize that the Christians also used the name of Jesus to kill their fellow man? Heck, the Jews used the name of Yaweh to justify genocide in the Old Testament, also.

I think the Buddhists have been the only ones who have avoided killing in the name of God.

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   11:41:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: sneakypete (#68)

Do you agree or disagree with the point that RINO's like Boy Jorge and John McLunatic are the starboard side of the same ship on which Dims like Barry Soetoro are the port side?

That both are passengers along for the ride to the same ultimate destination?

Yes,or no?

Of course the statist RINOs want the US destroyed - but in a "compassionate," simmering-boil kinda way.

However, 0bama's side of the ship is top-heavy with explosives and whose immediate goal is the death, destruction, and mayhem via the microwave.

0bama does his dirty deed in broad daylight; Dubya and Stain with half a leg dangling outside the curtain.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:44:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: A K A Stone (#54)

I think it happened under Obama so he is responsible. Most Republican Presidential candidates and Bush would have done the same thing.

Fair enough. We are in agreement on this issue.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:45:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: sneakypete (#70)

because I keep insisting that ALL Americans have the same rights?

Americans should have the same rights. That is what I believe. But homos given the right to redefine meanings of words is a no no.

Go to the library and get one of those old thick dictionaries out. Then look up the word marriage. Report back what you find.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   11:47:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Liberator (#60)

Tribalism and clans have ALWAYS fought each other, haven't they?

And religion is almost always the root problem and Chief Cheerleader.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:48:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Godwinson (#71)

You do realize that the Christians also used the name of Jesus to kill their fellow man?

For the SECOND time, what part of "Murder 'in the name of Jesus Christ' is *anti-Christian*" didn't you get?

Muslims murder in the name of Allah because HE commands it. Do. You. Understand? Capisce??

Heck, the Jews used the name of Yaweh to justify genocide in the Old Testament, also.

NOT in Jesus Christ's name though - nice try.

I think the Buddhists have been the only ones who have avoided killing in the name of God.

They've murdered as well - I'm not real familiar with that cult, so I don't know whether they have or not.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:49:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: sneakypete (#75)

And religion is almost always the root problem and Chief Cheerleader.

Not necessarily. The root cause of tribalism and clans fighting has mostly been over territory, power, greed, fear, and ego. But religion has often been used as a a symbol and thus rallying cry to help justify strife and to inspire. Just like the American Flag.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:54:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Liberator (#76) (Edited)

Muslims murder in the name of Allah because HE commands it

So did the Hebrews/Jews in the Old Testament per the direct command of God who is also Jesus.

"And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword." Joshua 6:21 1

"So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. And Joshua smote them from Kadesh-barnea even unto Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon." Joshua 10:40-41 1

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   11:55:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Liberator (#61)

HUH? Catholics and Islam colluded to "Divide and Conquer" the US??

Is the US a part of the world or not?

Both Christianity and Islam have been out to conquer and control the whole world since both were created.

Organized religion is about wealth and power.

Ireland and the Ottoman Empire are NOT analogous.

You're right. One was about organized Christian murder and the other was about organized Islam murder.

Totally different things.

Secondly, murder "in the name of Jesus Christ" is *anti-Christian*, whereas Allah openly condones it in the Koran.

I suppose you never heard the term "Kill a commie for Christ!"

Maybe you have heard of The Spanish Inquisition?

The Milites Christi?

The expression Milkhemet Mitzvah?

The Reformation?

The Thirty Years War?

The French Wars of Religion?

The Crusades? Both Muslims and Christians were in these play-off games.

Various Muslim and Jewish wars?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:58:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Liberator (#62)

You will never be able to see this basic truth,though. Even the mere thought would make you uncomfortable.

Lol - WHAT "truth"?

See?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:59:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Godwinson (#78)

So did the Hebrews/Jews in the Old Testament per the direct command of God who is also Jesus.

"And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword." Joshua 6:21 1

"So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. And Joshua smote them from Kadesh-barnea even unto Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon." Joshua 10:40-41 1

It really is cute how you're derailed your losing argument, but can you tell me just what the context is for God the Father to perform His "smiting"?

Did He give warning before smitin, OR did God do so gratuitously?

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:59:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: sneakypete (#80)

LOL

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   12:00:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#63)

But the Founder of Christianity DID NOT advocate violence -

Somehow that message never seemed to filter down to the various cult leaders that ruled their cults in his name,did it?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   12:01:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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