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Title: SUICIDE OF A SUPERPOWER. by Patrick J. Buchanan
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Published: Oct 14, 2011
Author: Patrick J. Buchanan
Post Date: 2011-10-14 09:08:42 by A K A Stone
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BOOK WARNS OF END Fri Oct 14 2011 07:00:25 ET

**Exclusive**

"As the faith that gave birth to the West is dying in the West, peoples of European descent from the steppes of Russia to the coast of California have begun to die out, as the Third World treks north to claim the estate. The last decade provided corroborating if not conclusive proof that we are in the Indian Summer of our civilization."

So begins Pat Buchanan in his hardcore work, SUICIDE OF A SUPERPOWER.

"Will America Survive to 2025?"

Buchanan, set for maximum controversy, launches all rockets at introduction "Disintegrating Nation" -- and does not let up for 400-plus pages.

"America is disintegrating. The centrifugal forces pulling us apart are growing inexorably. What unites us is dissolving. And this is true of Western Civilization....Meanwhile, the state is failing in its most fundamental duties. It is no longer able to defend our borders, balance our budgets, or win our wars."

The books reads as if its been written to be left behind in the ruins, only to be found by a future civilization.

SUICIDE ranked #2,668 on AMAZON's hit parade early Friday. It streets on Tuesday.

Now only the DRUDGE REPORT can offer a look inside.

Chapter 1: The Passing of a Superpower

“We have accepted today the existence in perpetuity of a permanent underclass of scores of millions who cannot cope and must be carried by society -- fed, clothed, housed, tutored, medicated at taxpayer’s expense their entire lives. We have a dependent nation the size of Spain in our independent America. We have a new division in our country, those who pay a double or triple fare, and those who ride forever free.”

Chapter 2. The End of Christian America

If [Christopher] Dawson is correct, the drive to de-Christianize America, to purge Christianity from the public square, public schools and public life, will prove culturally and socially suicidal for the nation.

“The last consequence of a dying Christianity is a dying people. Not one post-Christian nation has a birth rate sufficient to keep it alive....The death of European Christianity means the disappearance of the European tribe, a prospect visible in the demographic statistics of every Western nation.”

Chapter 3. The Crisis of Catholicism

“Half a century on, the disaster is manifest. The robust and confident Church of 1958 no longer exists. Catholic colleges and universities remain Catholic in name only. Parochial schools and high schools are closing as rapidly as they opened in the 1950s. The numbers of nuns, priests and seminarians have fallen dramatically. Mass attendance is a third of what it was. From the former Speaker of the House to the Vice President, Catholic politicians openly support abortion on demand.”

“How can Notre Dame credibly teach that all innocent life is sacred, and then honor a president committed to ensuring that a woman’s right to end the life of her innocent child remains sacrosanct?”

Chapter 4. The End of White America

“[W]hite America is an endangered species. By 2020, whites over 65 will out-number those 17 and under. Deaths will exceed births. The white population will begin to shrink and, should present birth rates persist, slowly disappear.”

“Mexico is moving north. Ethnically, linguistically and culturally, the verdict of 1848 is being over-turned. Will this Mexican nation within a nation advance the goals of the Constitution -- to “insure domestic tranquility” and ‘make us a more perfect union’? Or have we imperiled our union?” (Page 134)

Chapter 5. Demographic Winter

“Peoples of European descent are not only in a relative but a real decline. They are aging, dying, disappearing. This is the existential crisis of the West.” (Page 166)

“Not any Iranian weapon of mass destruction but demography is the existential crisis Israel faces....By mid-century...Palestinians west of the Jordan river will out-number Jews 2-1. Add Palestinians in Jordan, it is 3-1.”

“In a startling development of history, Russia’s population has fallen from 148 million in 1991 to 140 million today and is projected to plunge to 116 million by 2050, a loss of 32 million Russians in six decades.”

Chapter 6. Equality Vs. Freedom

“Those who would change society begin by changing the meaning of words. At Howard University, LBJ changed the meaning of equality from the attainable -- an end to segregation and a legislated equality of rights for African-Americans -- to the impossible: a socialist utopia.”

“Where equality is enthroned, freedom is extinguished. The rise of the egalitarian society means the death of the free society.”

“A time for truth. As most kids do not have the athletic ability to play high school sports, or the musical ability to play in the band, or the verbal ability to excel in debate, not every child has the academic ability to do high school work. No two children are created equal, not even identical twins. The family is the incubator of inequality and God its author.”

Chapter 7. The Diversity Cult

“The non-Europeanization of America is heartening news of an almost transcendental quality,” Wattenberg trilled.4 Yet, one wonders: What kind of man looks with transcendental joy to a day when the people among whom he was raised have become a minority in a nation where the majority rules?”

“Historians will look back in stupor at 20th and 21st century Americans who believed the magnificent republic they inherited would be enriched by bringing in scores of millions from the failed states of the Third World.”

Chapter 8: The Triumph Of Tribalism

America’s war of revenge against Japan was a race war. Newsreels, movies, magazines, comic books, headlines treated “Japs” as a repulsive race whose extermination would benefit mankind....Only well after the war was over was it re-branded a war to bring the blessings of democracy to...Japan.

We may deny the existence of ethnonationalism, detest it, condemn it. But this creator and destroyer of empires and nations is a force infinitely more powerful than globalism, for it engages the heart. Men will die for it. Religion, race, culture and tribe are the four horsemen of the coming apocalypse.

Chapter 9. ‘The White Party’

“Through its support of mass immigration, its paralysis in power to prevent 12-20 million illegal aliens from entering and staying, its failure to address the “anchor-baby” issue, the Republican Party has birthed a new electorate that will send it the way of the Whigs.”

Chapter 10: The Long Retreat

“We borrow from Europe to defend Europe. We borrow from the Gulf states to defend the Gulf states. We borrow from Japan to defend Japan. Is it not a symptom of senility to be borrowing from the world so we can defend the world?”

“Are vital U.S. interests more imperiled by what happens in Iraq where were have 50,000 troops, or Afghanistan where we have 100,000, or South Korea where we have 28,000 -- or by what is happening on our border with Mexico?...What does it profit America if we save Anbar and lose Arizona?”

Chapter 11: The Last Chance

“We are trying to create a nation that has never before existed, of all the races, tribes, cultures and creeds of Earth, where all are equal. In this utopian drive for the perfect society of our dreams we are killing the real country we inherited -- the best and greatest country on earth.”

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This sounds like a must read book. Maybe Pat Buchanan should enter the race. I'd vote for him.

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#72. To: sneakypete (#68)

Do you agree or disagree with the point that RINO's like Boy Jorge and John McLunatic are the starboard side of the same ship on which Dims like Barry Soetoro are the port side?

That both are passengers along for the ride to the same ultimate destination?

Yes,or no?

Of course the statist RINOs want the US destroyed - but in a "compassionate," simmering-boil kinda way.

However, 0bama's side of the ship is top-heavy with explosives and whose immediate goal is the death, destruction, and mayhem via the microwave.

0bama does his dirty deed in broad daylight; Dubya and Stain with half a leg dangling outside the curtain.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:44:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: A K A Stone (#54)

I think it happened under Obama so he is responsible. Most Republican Presidential candidates and Bush would have done the same thing.

Fair enough. We are in agreement on this issue.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:45:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: sneakypete (#70)

because I keep insisting that ALL Americans have the same rights?

Americans should have the same rights. That is what I believe. But homos given the right to redefine meanings of words is a no no.

Go to the library and get one of those old thick dictionaries out. Then look up the word marriage. Report back what you find.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-14   11:47:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Liberator (#60)

Tribalism and clans have ALWAYS fought each other, haven't they?

And religion is almost always the root problem and Chief Cheerleader.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:48:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Godwinson (#71)

You do realize that the Christians also used the name of Jesus to kill their fellow man?

For the SECOND time, what part of "Murder 'in the name of Jesus Christ' is *anti-Christian*" didn't you get?

Muslims murder in the name of Allah because HE commands it. Do. You. Understand? Capisce??

Heck, the Jews used the name of Yaweh to justify genocide in the Old Testament, also.

NOT in Jesus Christ's name though - nice try.

I think the Buddhists have been the only ones who have avoided killing in the name of God.

They've murdered as well - I'm not real familiar with that cult, so I don't know whether they have or not.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:49:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: sneakypete (#75)

And religion is almost always the root problem and Chief Cheerleader.

Not necessarily. The root cause of tribalism and clans fighting has mostly been over territory, power, greed, fear, and ego. But religion has often been used as a a symbol and thus rallying cry to help justify strife and to inspire. Just like the American Flag.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:54:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Liberator (#76) (Edited)

Muslims murder in the name of Allah because HE commands it

So did the Hebrews/Jews in the Old Testament per the direct command of God who is also Jesus.

"And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword." Joshua 6:21 1

"So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. And Joshua smote them from Kadesh-barnea even unto Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon." Joshua 10:40-41 1

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   11:55:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Liberator (#61)

HUH? Catholics and Islam colluded to "Divide and Conquer" the US??

Is the US a part of the world or not?

Both Christianity and Islam have been out to conquer and control the whole world since both were created.

Organized religion is about wealth and power.

Ireland and the Ottoman Empire are NOT analogous.

You're right. One was about organized Christian murder and the other was about organized Islam murder.

Totally different things.

Secondly, murder "in the name of Jesus Christ" is *anti-Christian*, whereas Allah openly condones it in the Koran.

I suppose you never heard the term "Kill a commie for Christ!"

Maybe you have heard of The Spanish Inquisition?

The Milites Christi?

The expression Milkhemet Mitzvah?

The Reformation?

The Thirty Years War?

The French Wars of Religion?

The Crusades? Both Muslims and Christians were in these play-off games.

Various Muslim and Jewish wars?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:58:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Liberator (#62)

You will never be able to see this basic truth,though. Even the mere thought would make you uncomfortable.

Lol - WHAT "truth"?

See?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   11:59:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Godwinson (#78)

So did the Hebrews/Jews in the Old Testament per the direct command of God who is also Jesus.

"And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword." Joshua 6:21 1

"So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. And Joshua smote them from Kadesh-barnea even unto Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon." Joshua 10:40-41 1

It really is cute how you're derailed your losing argument, but can you tell me just what the context is for God the Father to perform His "smiting"?

Did He give warning before smitin, OR did God do so gratuitously?

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   11:59:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: sneakypete (#80)

LOL

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   12:00:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#63)

But the Founder of Christianity DID NOT advocate violence -

Somehow that message never seemed to filter down to the various cult leaders that ruled their cults in his name,did it?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   12:01:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Liberator (#81)

what the context is for God the Father to perform His "smiting"?

Self justification by the Hebrews for land theft..

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   12:02:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Godwinson (#64)

or the Protestant self-justifications for eradicating indigenous peoples

The Protestants were the only ones that did this????

ROFLMAO!

Try explaining this to the Carib Indians,for one group.

Good luck finding one.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   12:02:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Liberator (#67)

The fact that some who call themselves Christians fail to act like it is strictly on them.

Well and properly stated...

But Pete realizes that. He's just bustin' balls.

No,I am just pointing out that organized religion is not the same thing as religion. One is a money-making business that seeks power and wealth,and the other is a set of individual beliefs about the proper way to live life.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   12:04:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: sneakypete (#85)

The Protestants were the only ones that did this????

I clearly mentioned the Crusades before hand (aka Latin Catholics). Please drink less whiskey.

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   12:08:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Liberator (#69)

That means even "natives" did so against other natives.

Yes,and almost always (maybe even always)the local tribal Holy Man was up there cheerleading for the war with the claim the related clans didn't worship the proper gods,or worshiped the proper ones improperly.

Organized religion has been in bed with government ever since government itself was invented. The Chief and the Holy Man were the ying and yang of leadership. One led the tribe as a dictator,and the other backed him up by claiming the very Gods themselves would be angry with anyone who questioned the tribal leadership.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   12:09:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Liberator (#72)

0bama does his dirty deed in broad daylight; Dubya and Stain with half a leg dangling outside the curtain.

I agree with that,but in MY opinion this makes the RINO's even more despicable than the outright Dims.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   12:11:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: sneakypete (#79) (Edited)

Is the US a part of the world or not?

You basically claimed Catholics and Islam colluded to "Divide and Conquer" the US. NOT working, Pete.

Both Christianity and Islam have been out to conquer and control the whole world since both were created.

The "Christianity" you allude to was actually the counterfeit "Christianity" and Papal dictatorship of the Catholic Church. Jesus never commanded an "Empire" be taken by sword.

With respect to Islam, your assertion is obviously TRUE; Conquest by force IS commanded by their "Holy Book."

Organized religion is about wealth and power.

Some of it is. Some of it isn't.

You obviously are ignorant about the Ottoman Empire if you're going to continue to claim some kind of equivalence between they and Ireland.

I suppose you never heard the term "Kill a commie for Christ!"

No.

Maybe you have heard of The Spanish Inquisition?

You mean corrupt Popes who perverted the Word of Christ 400 years ago should be held up as the Hood Ornament of "Christianity"? I don't think so.

As to your other so-called examples, what exactly are you proving? That Christianity is "evil"? Or just ALL religions? Or that THE reason for wars and evil IS "God"?

That said Pete, they have no bearing on your original thrust - that Catholicism and Islam have colluded to "Divide and Conquer" the US.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   12:14:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: sneakypete (#89) (Edited)

I agree with that,but in MY opinion this makes the RINO's even more despicable than the outright Dims.

And I agree with you in the context that RINOs and Republicans are supposed to be the "Good Guys." Instead that are traitors, liars, deceivers, and Trojan Horse destroyers of our nation.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   12:18:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: A K A Stone (#74)

But homos given the right to redefine meanings of words is a no no.

Nobody is redefining anything,but IF THE one and true definition of "marriage" was "a union of two genders",it would be un-Constitutional because it would deny homosexual Americans the same basic human rights that heterosexual Americans enjoy.

And not enjoy.

The definition of marriage that you and other religious bigots love is a RELIGIOUS definition dating back to when ONLY "the Church" could marry couples and they needed permission to marry. Which historically was a good thing because the local Catholic priest heard all the confessions,and may have been the only man in any providence who REALLY knew who were brother and sister. This was a lot more important to the survival of the human species back in the Middle Ages when most people lived in rural communities or small neighborhoods in what we would call small cities today than it is today,when people travel often and freely,and there is always fresh blood being added to local gene pools.

The local priest also kept the local birth and death records,as well as the marriage records. Which means they really did provide some useful services to the locals as well as to the landed nobility.

Despite that,it should be noted that we no longer live in the Middle Ages,and no matter how much you and the other cultists believe what you are taught,religion is NOT a co-equal of our form of government.

Hell,we don't even burn witches at the stake anymore!

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   12:21:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: sneakypete (#86)

No,I am just pointing out that organized religion is not the same thing as religion. One is a money-making business that seeks power and wealth,and the other is a set of individual beliefs about the proper way to live life.

Jesus Christ commanded His followers to engage in fellowship with other believers.

Sure, there are "Christians" who exploit the situation and turn it into business and power. It doesn't invalidate or indict the Word and Gospel of Jesus Christ though, does it?

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   12:21:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: A K A Stone (#4)

Pat Buchanan a true patriot.

yes he is. I had the great pleasure of having dinner with him in the late '80's and he is a very sincere individual that loves his country. He has been warning us for many years.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2011-10-14   12:23:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Liberator (#77) (Edited)

Not necessarily. The root cause of tribalism and clans fighting has mostly been over territory, power, greed, fear, and ego.

Which are the same things that drive organized religion.

But religion has often been used as a a symbol and thus rallying cry to help justify strife and to inspire.

I'd say it would be more of a tool than a symbol.

"For Gawd and King!"

"For Odin!"

"Allah Akbar!"

Etc,etc,etc.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-14   12:24:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: A K A Stone (#49)

Marriage. Check mate.

...freedom, money, citizen, wages, family, fair, free speech, terrorist, patriot...the list goes on for pages...but you are SO correct. They have CHANGED the meaning of words.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2011-10-14   12:29:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Godwinson (#65)

No European or American until the late 19th century used the term "Western civilization...it was a meaningless concept as far as binding people together.

They didn't have to use the terminology then - Western Civ was THE world.

Now it's used as a comparative gauge of other, less sophisticated civilizations.

Btw, "Western Civilization" isn't a "binder" of anything, it's a descriptor.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   12:30:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: sneakypete (#95) (Edited)

"For Gawd and King!"

Lol...(But I think the spelling is amiss.)

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   12:31:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: freedomsnotfree (#94)

I had the great pleasure of having dinner with him in the late '80's...

Really? Fish or chicken? ;-)

...and he is a very sincere individual that loves his country. He has been warning us for many years.

He is, and he has been. And he's paid the price for eschewing PC-talk and rejecting the propaganda. It's actually a miracle he hasn't been buried altogether by the media and the Dems and GOP.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   12:34:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Liberator (#99)

...LOL, I couldn't tell you what I had for dinner last week.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2011-10-14   12:37:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: sneakypete (#86)

No,I am just pointing out that organized religion is not the same thing as religion. One is a money-making business that seeks power and wealth,and the other is a set of individual beliefs about the proper way to live life.

But you guys are always posting that the government and other institutions need to be run more like a business.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-14   12:39:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Liberator (#97) (Edited)

Btw, "Western Civilization" isn't a "binder" of anything, it's a descriptor.

That is what I said, when I criticized Buchanan's thesis. Buchanan acts as if there is some sort of unified Western Civilization that is a threat.

The "west" produced 3 things of note: Technology/tool making, science (not the same thing as technology) and rational thought/free-thinking (The last part did not apply to all European countries at the same time or in the same place and time).

Of these 3, technology and science would continue if Western civilization went away. All the technological foundations for what the Europeans did in the Industrial Age had already existed in the rest of the world like in China as pre-cursors and the only reason I can tell that they took off in the Western European lands was because they had a low population after the Black Death so they needed labor saving devices to replace human labor. That is why western Europeans who were the poorest and stupidest people of the known world experienced a leap.

Science is now established around the world as a method of deducing reality.

The last part, free thinking is still something "Westerners" do better but even Westerners have problems with it and many Europeans have had this ability and lost it over time so it is unstable even in the west but eventually this mindset will also dominate in other cultures as well like in Japan, India, etc.

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   12:39:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Liberator (#99)

He is, and he has been. And he's paid the price for eschewing PC-talk and rejecting the propaganda. It's actually a miracle he hasn't been buried altogether by the media and the Dems and GOP.

what 53 years on this earth have taught me is, MOST people don't want the truth...it's far easier for them to have someone else tell them what to believe...

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2011-10-14   12:40:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: sneakypete, A K A Stone (#92)

Despite that,it should be noted that we no longer live in the Middle Ages...

Thanks for that newsflash.

...and no matter how much you and the other cultists believe what you are taught,religion is NOT a co-equal of our form of government.

I must have missed this myth in civics class.

WHO exactly has EVER claimed religion to be a "co-equal of our form of government"?? NAMES of the Founders, please (unless you are referring to Sharia Law adherents.) OR anyone of note for that matter.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   12:41:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: freedomsnotfree, A K A Stone (#94)

yes he is. I had the great pleasure of having dinner with him in the late '80's and he is a very sincere individual that loves his country. He has been warning us for many years.

Maybe as a Catholic he feels guilty at not producing children and is obsessed with this "europeans are becoming extinct" more than is normal?

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   12:42:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: freedomsnotfree (#103)

what 53 years on this earth have taught me is, MOST people don't want the truth...it's far easier for them to have someone else tell them what to believe...

Unfortunately, tis true.

For most folks the Fairy Tale never dies.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   12:43:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Godwinson (#105)

Maybe as a Catholic he feels guilty at not producing children and is obsessed with this "europeans are becoming extinct" more than is normal?

...apparently you know his physical abilities and those of his wife, better than I do, so I'll defer to your expertise. /sac

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2011-10-14   12:46:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Godwinson (#102)

I can tell that they took off in the Western European lands was because they had a low population after the Black Death so they needed labor saving devices to replace human labor. That is why western Europeans who were the poorest and stupidest people of the known world experienced a leap.

It is within the political system that embraced Christian ethics that promoted the liberty to THINK AND PRODUCE AND INNOVATE without interference from statists and dictators that produced the greatest benefits and inventions of and for mankind. That system found a foothold mostly in America and Europe.

Deal with it.

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”

~ Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist author of 'Rules for Radicals', Saul Alinsky

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-14   12:49:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: mininggold, mcgowanjm (#14)

"The OWSers will have to be attacked. in the middle of the nite."

"Yep, and the only part in question is how many get killed."

Attacked? By whom? The only people these brain washed happy campers are a threat to, is the Unionized Sanitation Dept. workers.

Take a good look at these worthless sheep who think they will get what they want by staging sit-ins and deficating in public...

It's what you DON'T see that counts. Take the number of what you see there, then multiply that by a thousand. I promise you, if/when, push comes to shove, those ignorant pussies will show the world how fast they can run, and hide, when the real shit hits the fan. jmho!

Murron  posted on  2011-10-14   12:56:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: freedomsnotfree (#107)

..apparently you know his physical abilities and those of his wife, better than I do, so I'll defer to your expertise. /sac

As a Catholic he can't use birth control so either one is sterile or they are bad Catholics which makes him feel guilty?

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   12:59:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Murron (#109)

Attacked? By whom? The only people these brain washed happy campers are a threat to, is the Unionized Sanitation Dept. workers.

Take a good look at these worthless sheep who think they will get what they want by staging sit-ins and deficating in public...

An envious Tea Bagger is an angry Tea Bagger.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-14   13:05:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Liberator (#108)

It is within the political system that embraced Christian ethics that promoted the liberty to THINK AND PRODUCE AND INNOVATE without interference from statists and dictators that produced the greatest benefits and inventions of and for mankind. That system found a foothold mostly in America and Europe.

Deal with it.

The Germans that over ran the Western Roman empire and the population of the West were mostly Christians already so Western post Roman Europe had about a 1,000 years of Christianity and Western Europe was during that time the stupidest and poorest region of the known world.

So clearly, Christianity did not make them smarter for 1,000 years of history. About 600 to 500 years ago Europeans in the West rediscovered classical thinking (Renaissance) which coupled with a labor shortage produced kicked off the Industrial age.

The classical Greeks and the Romans all knew this knowledge as did the Chinese and Indians and Arabs but they had no labor shortages so did not need to create labor saving devices like post Black Death Europe did. In fact manufactured goods were actually more expensive than hand made goods in Western Europe at first but because there was a labor shortage it was worth the investment to expand machine made goods and that lowered the cost of production.

Christianity had nothing to do with any of it really.

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-14   13:06:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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