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In the United States of America you are considered ___________________ until proven guilty.
In the United States of America you are considered ___________________ until proven guilty.
There so many precedents for killing US citizrns working on the behalf of a declared enemy in a time of war. And our legal system is built on precedents.
When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard
The issue isn't about answering your stupid question about the presumption of innocence that a person is afforded after they have been charged with a crime and the issue goes to adjudication - no one is arrested on a presumption of innocence.
The issue is what powers the Commander in Chief has in ordering the killing of a specific enemy combatant.
Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]
Enemy combatant is a recently invented word to try and take rights away from people.
Why do you spout this bullshit?
First off, "enemy combatant" is TWO words.
Secondly,. read the decision rendered in Ex Parte Qurin from 1942. The term "ENEMY COMBATANT" has been around for decades.
Thirdly, as a result of court decisions surrounding the detention of Al Qaeda prisoners at Gitmo, DumbDubv43 was actually forced to narrowly define what an "enemy combatant" was in the war against Al Qeada:
"Enemy combatant" shall mean an individual who was part of or supporting Taliban or al Qaeda forces, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners. This includes any person who has committed belligerent act or has directly supported hostilities in aid of enemy combat forces.
Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]
Considering how intellectual lazy you are, I'm not surprised to see you use an attack thread aimed at war to try to browbeat him rather then to make the effort to focus on trying to articulate a well framed rebuttal of his contentions and beliefs on this issue.
I'm not impressed with you either. You say you are against the death penalty. Yet since it is your messiah you think that he can murder at will
They said he was involved in 911, which you say you think was an inside job. Yet you condone Obamas assassination of someone that is an American citizen. Even if he was a disgusting human being.
Hypocrite. If Bush had done this you would have been calling for impeachment. Like I said. You aren't impressive at all.
There isn't a day that goes by here wherein you do not call for the summary execution of people who a) you don't agree with or b) whose way of living you don't agree with.
There isn't a day that goes by here wherein you do not call for the summary execution of people who a) you don't agree with or b) whose way of living you don't agree with.
That is rich. I'm the one saying a man was assassinated and saying it is wrong.
You are saying the President can say anyone is a terrorist and kill him at will with no evidence ever being presented.
Would you also condemn it if the United States had sent operatives to kill Benedict Arnold where he lived his exile in disgrace after betraying his country?
Just curious mind you. I mean, I know you wouldn't want to see him paying with his life for having done the obvious by openly working with the oppressive British out to destroy our new nation.
I mean, why create incentive not to betray a trust this large, right?
Would you also condemn it if the United States had sent operatives to kill Benedict Arnold where he lived his exile in disgrace after betraying his country?
Just curious mind you. I mean, I know you wouldn't want to see him paying with his life for having done the obvious by openly working with the oppressive British out to destroy our new nation.
I mean, why create incentive not to betray a trust this large, right?
So 911 wasn't an inside job? Got ya.
Oh you say it wasn't. They why did they kill him for it?
If you don't answer because you are ignorant as to who and what Benedict Arnold was, I would understand. At least then you would be consistent with how you usually are.
U.S. Indictment: 'Detonated an Explosive Device' Published: November 5, 1998
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Following is an excerpt from the indictment returned yesterday in a Federal District Court in Manhattan against the Saudi exile, Osama bin-Laden:
At all relevant times from, in or about 1989 until the date of the filing of this indictment, an international terrorist group existed which was dedicated to opposing non-Islamic governments with force and violence. This organization grew out of the ''mekhtab al khidemat'' (the ''Services Office'') organization which had maintained offices in various parts of the world, including Afghanistan, Pakistan (particularly in Peshawar) and the United States, particularly at the Alkifah Refugee Center in Brooklyn, N.Y. The group was founded by defendants Osama bin Laden and Muhammad Atef, a.k.a ''Abu Hafs al- Masry,'' together with ''Abu Ubaidah al-Banshiri'' and others. From in or about 1989 until the present, the group called itself ''Al Qaeda''' (''the Base''). From 1989 until in or about 1991, the group (hereafter referred to as ''Al Qaeda'') was headquartered in Afghanistan and Peshawar, Pakistan. In or about 1991, the leadership of Al Qaeda, including its ''emir'' (or prince) defendant Osama bin Laden, relocated to Sudan. Al Qaeda was headquartered in the Sudan from approximately 1991 until approximately 1996 but still maintained offices in various parts of the world. In 1996, defendants Osama bin Laden and Muhammad Atef and other members of Al Qaeda relocated to Afghanistan. At all relevant times, Al Qaeda was led by its emir, defendant Osama bin Laden. Members of Al Qaeda pledged an oath of allegiance (called a ''bayat'') to defendant Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda.
Al Qaeda opposed the United States for several reasons. First, the United States was regarded as an 'infidel'' because it was not governed in a manner consistent with the group's extremist interpretation of Islam. Second, the United States was viewed as providing essential support for other ''infidel'' governments and institutions, particularly the governments of Saudi Arabia and Egypt, the nation of Israel and the United Nations organization, which were regarded as enemies of the group. Third, Al Qaeda opposed the involvement of the United States armed forces in the [Persian] gulf war in 1991 and in Operation Restore Hope in Somalia in 1992 and 1993, which were viewed by Al Qaeda as pretextual preparations for an American occupation of Islamic countries. In particular, Al Qaeda opposes the continued presence of American military forces in Saudi Arabia (and elsewhere on the Saudi Arabian peninsula) following the gulf war. Fourth, Al Qaeda opposed the United States Government because of the arrest, conviction and imprisonment of persons belonging to Al Qaeda or its affiliated terrorist groups or with whom it worked, including Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman.
One of the principal goals of Al Qaeda was to drive the United States armed forces out of Saudi Arabia (and elsewhere on the Saudi Arabian peninsula) and Somalia by violence. Members of Al Qaeda issued fatwahs (rulings of Islamic law) indicating that such attacks were both proper and necessary.
Al Qaeda functioned both on its own and through some of the terrorist organizations that operated under its umbrella, including: the Al Jihad group based in Egypt, led by, among others, Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, named as a co- conspirator but not as a defendant herein; the Islamic Group (also known as ''El Gamaa Islamia'' or simply ''Gamaa't''), led by Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and later by Ahmed Refai Taha, a.k.a. ''Abu Yasser al-Masri,'' named as co- conspirators but not as defendants herein; and a number of jihad groups. . . .
Osama bin Laden, the defendant, and Al Qaeda also forged alliances with the National Islamic Front in the Sudan and with representatives of the Government of Iran, and its associated terrorist group Hezbollah, for the purpose of working together against their perceived common enemies in the West, particularly the United States. . . .
On Oct. 3 and 4, 1993, in Mogadishu, Somalia, persons who had been trained by Al Qaeda (and by trainers trained by Al Qaeda) participated in an attack on United States military personnel serving in Somalia as part of Operation Restore Hope, which resulted in the killing of 18 United States Army personnel. . . .
Texan Charged With Bin Laden Link By BENJAMIN WEISER Published: September 22, 1998
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A Texan was indicted yesterday on new charges that he lied about his knowledge of the activities of Osama bin Laden, the Saudi exile suspected in the bombings of the United States Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania last month.
In bringing the new charges against Wadih el Hage, an Arlington, Tex., man who has admitted that he worked as Mr. bin Laden's personal secretary in the Sudan in 1994, Federal prosecutors in Manhattan offered their most expansive look yet at the scope and direction of their investigation into Mr. bin Laden and his organization, Al Qaeda.
If you were of that time and were having tea and crumpets in a restaurant at a table next to him, would you smile and tip your three cornered hat his way and wish him well for the day?
Oh, I know, who are you to involve yourself in condemning betrayal with the death and oppression of his fellow countrymen in mind while this man sought to gain money and influence to his face? Ain't any of your business, right?
You have no opinion on this known infamy and would not want to see Mr. Arnold pay with his life for his murderous actions, I see.
Damn Stone, the least you could do is parrot your old saw and accuse him of having been the father of all those who kill babies and mumble the usual vague generalities of condemnation you love so much in his general direction.