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Title: We Have a Problem in This Country....How Are We Going To Solve It?
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Published: Oct 13, 2011
Author: A K A Stone
Post Date: 2011-10-13 07:18:37 by A K A Stone
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Views: 60088
Comments: 95

We have a problem in this great nation. There are liberals in the United States. Their values are anti American.

They think that killing babies in the womb is a virtue.

They think the President can assassinate American citizens with a secret star chamber.

They don't want to work but want free healthcare, food and shelter.

If you earn more then them they become jealous and want what you have or will kill you for it. Or threaten to kill you for it.

They are anti science and believe that frogs turn into princes over millions of years.

They hate people driving cars yet they drive them themselves.

They have made up a global warming theory in order to scare us into giving up our way of life.

They think marriage can be a man and a man or a woman and a woman.

They want us to take cold showers.

They have invented reusable toilet paper for heavens sake.

To sum it up they hate all that God loves and love all that God hates.

There is definitely something wrong with these people. Are these people just evil, dumb? It has been described as a "mental disorder". Are there any solutions to deal with these sickos and get our nation back on the RIGHT track?

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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)

The Decline of a Nation

The first stage moves from bondage to spiritual faith.

The second from spiritual faith to great courage.

The third stage moves from great courage to liberty.

The fourth stage moves from liberty to abundance.

The fifth stage moves from abundance to selfishness.

The sixth stage moves from selfishness to complacency.

The seventh stage moves from complacency to apathy.

The eighth stage moves from apathy to moral decay.

The ninth stage moves from moral decay to dependence.

And the tenth and last stage moves from dependence to bondage.

Stage 9 and counting . . .

__________________________________________________________________________________________

EASTER ISLAND MYSTERY - - SOLVED!!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-10-13   7:55:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Stop.

Down tools.

Occupy the Top 400.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-13   8:59:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Get Outta Dodge!, A K A Stone, mcgowanjm (#1)

The last time the USA has 1% of the population controlling 99% of the wealth was in 1861 when Americans could own slaves....

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-13   10:40:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Godwinson (#3)

The Council of Foreign Relations.

All the Major Talking heads like Andrea Mitchell/Greenspan are part of this.

There must be a Coup inn the works for this article to appear there:

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/136402/george-packer/the-broken-contract

The Broken Contract

Inequality and American Decline By George Packer October 11, 2011

Summary:

Like an odorless gas, economic inequality pervades every corner of the United States and saps the strength of its democracy. Over the past three decades, Washington has consistently favored the rich -- and the more wealth accumulates in a few hands at the top, the more influence and favor the rich acquire, making it easier for them and their political allies to cast off restraint without paying a social price."

No wonder I've noticed a change here at LF...8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-10-13   10:46:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: mcgowanjm (#4)

There must be a Coup inn the works for this article to appear there:

The USA is an oligarchy controlled by the Military Industrial Complex. They don't care about domestic policies as long as the overseas American empire of influence is maintained.

This article is telling us the MIC is upset that the domestic fuck ups in DC let their infighting for position screw up the ability of the MIC to carry out the work of empire.

That's how I read it.

"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts

Godwinson  posted on  2011-10-13   11:00:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone (#0) (Edited)

You don't sound like you want a discussion here; it sounds more like you want a lynch mob when people don't think exactly like you.

You have unsubstantiated opinion that shows hatred, fear and a desire to control people in a "do as I say, not as I do" manner.

You should seek a professional for what ails you. You won't, and you won't like this frank reality check.

But your screed here indicates you don't want to talk, you prefer an over powering and destruction for those who disagree with you.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-13   11:26:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#1)

Stage 9 and counting . . .

Stage 9: Internet trolls stifling discussion and dissent.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-13   11:35:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Ferret Mike (#6)

You don't sound like you want a discussion here; it sounds more like you want a lynch mob when people don't think exactly like you.

We should BE so lucky.

I'll settle for you and your ilk getting the "tar and feathers" treatment, and then sent out of town on a rail.

You have unsubstantiated opinion that shows hatred, fear and a desire to control people in a "do as I say, not as I do" manner.

You leftist losers put out unsubstantiated, anecdotal (or completely fictional) accounts, and label them as "fact." Anyone who refutes or questions your so- called "facts" is attacked, called a "denier" or a "terrorist."

When someone puts out easily demonstrable fact, you label them as merely "opinion that shows hatred, fear," etc. You and your ilk are the penultimate of hypocrisy.

You- the leftist who whined and demanded free and uncensored speech on a private forum- now attack the owner of the forum, for the very same thing he allowed you back on, to enjoy...

Get OVER yourself, rat-boy.

Nobody GAS about you, and your leftist ideology. All we care about, is that you and your ilk are tossed into the dustbin of history... stupid ideas and their proponents, you know?

Your ideology has been tried repeatedly over the last 100 years... And it consistently results in terrible death and destruction. 100% of the time, no exceptions.

And now you want it here.

So let me be blunt; we'll not allow it to happen here. We'll stop you and your idiot ilk, using any means necessary.

Do you understand?

DISMISSED.

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-13   11:52:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Capitalist Eric (#8)

You leftist losers put out unsubstantiated, anecdotal (or completely fictional) accounts, and label them as "fact." Anyone who refutes or questions your so- called "facts" is attacked, called a "denier" or a "terrorist."

When someone puts out easily demonstrable fact, you label them as merely "opinion that shows hatred, fear," etc. You and your ilk are the penultimate of hypocrisy.

You- the leftist who whined and demanded free and uncensored speech on a private forum- now attack the owner of the forum, for the very same thing he allowed you back on, to enjoy...

Get OVER yourself, rat-boy.

Nobody GAS about you, and your leftist ideology. All we care about, is that you and your ilk are tossed into the dustbin of history... stupid ideas and their proponents, you know?

Your ideology has been tried repeatedly over the last 100 years... And it consistently results in terrible death and destruction. 100% of the time, no exceptions.

And now you want it here.

So let me be blunt; we'll not allow it to happen here. We'll stop you and your idiot ilk, using any means necessary.

Do you understand?

DISMISSED.

You write this great big old and as some would call it a, SCREED, and then say you don't care? LOLOLOL Poor Erica, clueless to the end.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-13   11:56:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: mininggold (#9)

That's why I bozoed the homesick for his role as a high school bully Erica. She never has anything good to say about anyone, except herself.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-13   11:59:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Capitalist Eric (#8)

Gee...look at you...commenting about the posters here rather than the topic of the thread...

How so...so...so...like you, Junior...

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-13   12:06:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mininggold (#9)

and as some would call it a, SCREED,

Chuckles...

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-13   12:07:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: war (#11)

Gee...look at you...commenting about the posters here rather than the topic of the thread...

How so...so...so...like you, Junior...

And founding member of the horsey set, Erica, remembers the ONE time a horse dared nip at him too.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-13   12:16:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mininggold (#7)

Stage 9: Internet trolls stifling discussion and dissent.

Awww . . . don't be so hard on yourself.

It may not seem so, but you ARE making progress. See, just now, you made it though an entire post without using the slang term for the Tea Party.

Keep it up and you may get that promotion you've been wanting - from seahag to Drone, third class!

__________________________________________________________________________________________

EASTER ISLAND MYSTERY - - SOLVED!!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-10-13   12:24:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#14) (Edited)

Awww . . . don't be so hard on yourself.

It may not seem so, but you ARE making progress. See, just now, you made it though an entire post without using the slang term for the Tea Party.

I've never banned posters so I'm not in your league..... sorry. I'm using Tea BarfBaggers now as a sign of respect for your's and other's acute sensitivity to gay issues.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-13   12:33:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: mininggold (#15)

I've never banned posters so I'm not in your league

OK - - THAT'S IT - - YOU'RE BANNED!! ZOTTTTTT!!

(Oh? You're still here? Hmmm . . . I guess I'm not "in my league" either)

__________________________________________________________________________________________

EASTER ISLAND MYSTERY - - SOLVED!!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-10-13   12:53:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Capitalist Eric, Ferret Mike (#8)

So let me be blunt; we'll not allow it to happen here. We'll stop you and your idiot ilk, using any means necessary.

Do you understand?

We'll stop you and your idiot ilk, using any means necessary.

Oh please.......

First - who is "we"?

Second - beyond making anonymous threats on an internet chat-room, what will you do? Nothing.

Freedom is speech applies to all opinions - right?

Jameson  posted on  2011-10-13   13:04:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Capitalist Eric (#8)

I was looking through some old records and this one sure jogged my memory. A colt from our farm, one that we had traded to a guy for labor, a few years later actually qualified his rider for an alternate spot in 2 equestrian events at the 1984 Olympics.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-13   13:36:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Jameson (#17)

Second - beyond making anonymous threats on an internet chat-room, what will you do? Nothing.

I don't hate stone and I am ot against him. My post was a counterpoint inviting discussion on his rant about life in general.

And what happens? Erica tries to treat my words like in invite to ptetend he has the mens to put me out of the park like he was hitting a home run. If you look at the history you would see I was very patient and friendly with Erica from the start and he has worked to earn the contempt I have for his self centered, angry and hateful ways.

Thanks for the feedback, but you are wrong in your assessment here.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-13   14:09:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jameson (#17)

...what will you do? Nothing.

If that's what it takes, for you to be comfy at night, knock yourself out. You and your ilk depend on the complacency of Americans that don't fit in your agenda.

Cicero described you:

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.”

Leftists are traitors to the U.S.A. And the American people are waking up to who you really are...

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-13   14:27:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: mininggold (#9)

You write this great big old and as some would call it a, SCREED, and then say you don't care? LOLOLOL Poor Erica, clueless to the end.

Maybe you could string together some words into a coherent response?

Naaah.... one can only expect so much of leftist morons.

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-13   14:31:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: war (#11)

Gee...look at you...commenting about the posters here rather than the topic of the thread...

How so...so...so...like you, Junior...

Yeah, you don't like being called out as a liar, a hyocrite and a traitor, now, DO you?

ESAD, fukwad.

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-13   14:33:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Capitalist Eric (#22)

Chuckles...

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-13   14:35:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Capitalist Eric (#21)

Maybe you could string together some words into a coherent response?

Naaah.... one can only expect so much of leftist morons.

I wouldn't expect you to get the nuance.

BTW did you ever get a new pair of boots after you were fired?

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-13   14:37:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Capitalist Eric (#22)

--

Good signature. "War is not the answer, young men should not die," as Gordon Lightfoot said in his antiwar song, Sit Down Young Stranger.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-13   14:38:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: war, Capitalist Eric (#23)

Chuckles...

He's trying to distract from the lies he told yesterday.

He probably thought there was only one 'Nationals", so to further his education, here's one that's being held this week that is more his style.

www.arba.net/index.htm

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-13   14:46:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Ferret Mike (#25)

I don't watch viedeos.

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-13   14:47:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Capitalist Eric (#27)

I don't watch viedeos [sic].

Sure you do, Junior...

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-13   14:51:16 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: mininggold, Murron (#26)

He probably thought there was only one 'Nationals",

On what do you base this assumption?

Oh, that's right.... NOTHING.

And before you start posting links to other "nationals," (whatever), I don't bother with horses any more.

I DO know, however, what you're about, due to your bragging. A LOT of wannabes do that, especially in the horse world. It's one of the reasons I walked away- the pretentious nature of so many "owners" who walk around with their noses in the air, glass of champagne in their hand... and couldn't tell the poll from the withers, annoyed the shit out of me.

You're the horse version of "all hat, no cattle."

Feh.

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-13   14:52:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Capitalist Eric (#27)

Then don't. Sit Down Young Stranger used to be the title song to the album later changed to the divorce song, "If I could read your mine." Which was too bad as it is a better song.

One of the main things about offering to share is one is not obligated to recieve what is offered. Thus, how can it bother me if you don't want to play a video that is posted?

No worries Eric. If you don't want to listen to the video, it's your choice and fine with me.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-13   14:53:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Capitalist Eric (#29)

I DO know, however, what you're about, due to your bragging. A LOT of wannabes do that, especially in the horse world. It's one of the reasons I walked away- the pretentious nature of so many "owners" who walk around with their noses in the air, glass of champagne in their hand... and couldn't tell the poll from the withers, annoyed the shit out of me.

Did you take writing lessons from Mammy, Junior?

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-13   14:54:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: war (#28) (Edited)

"Sure you do, Junior... "

Of course he does. He in fact was not actually saying he does not listen to videos; he was saying he prefers trying to bully and insult in regards that activity.

And it is frustrating for him to deal with the fact many political skins in here are very thick and tough from many years of talking about, and working in the context of political advocacies when doing activism.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-13   14:57:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: war (#31)

Are you going to post an intelligent reply, sometime today? Perhaps something that actually addresses the subject of the thread, or will you just keep distracting today?

My guess is the latter.

It's ok, we all know your playbook, that's why I even posted the following for my signature line:

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

And yes, I posted this in the response section, so you couldn't feign ignorance. [It's clear, however, that you don't "pretend" to be ignorant about reality; it's just your nature.]

Check-mate.

AGAIN.

LOL.

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-13   15:02:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Capitalist Eric (#29) (Edited)

On what do you base this assumption?

Oh, that's right.... NOTHING.

And before you start posting links to other "nationals," (whatever), I don't bother with horses any more.

I DO know, however, what you're about, due to your bragging. A LOT of wannabes do that, especially in the horse world. It's one of the reasons I walked away- the pretentious nature of so many "owners" who walk around with their noses in the air, glass of champagne in their hand... and couldn't tell the poll from the withers, annoyed the shit out of me.

You're the horse version of "all hat, no cattle."

Feh.

Yep, you got fired for hurting and blemishing that colt's knees, putting bite marks on his ears and making him head shy.

There's only one way to stop that colt from nipping, it involves two slices, and four snips. He probably thought you were in heat.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-13   15:02:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Ferret Mike (#32)

Of course he does.

More assumptions based on nothing. But then, as I called you on before, you post your opinions as fact, and dismiss fact as mere opinion, when it contradicts your preconceived notions (which often have little basis in reality).

Thanks for once again demonstrating my point.

Really, you'll have to do much better. B!tch-slapping you morons is only amusing for so long... after a while it just gets old.

But thanks for entertaining me. Time to move on to other threads.

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-13   15:07:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Capitalist Eric (#35)

But thanks for entertaining me. Time to move on to other threads.

Yep, you've already been made a fool of on this one.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-13   15:08:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: war (#31) (Edited)

Eric: "....annoyed the shit out of me."

This is his problem; he lacks control of the forum and hates that, and he is not admired enough for his liking.

If he were truly an experienced political writer or advocate, he would never let anyone see him sweat instead of rhetorically showing off his bunched up panties off to everyone and their boofers.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-13   15:10:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Capitalist Eric (#35)

"But thanks for entertaining me. Time to move on to other threads."

You are welcome. And Eric old bean; you have my leave to do so without seeking my validation for your forum surfing game plan. ;-)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-13   15:12:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#1)

Stage 9 and counting . . .(moves from moral decay to dependence.)

Yep. EXACTLY where we're at.

"Would you just go suck a c*ck and get it over with already?" war posted on 2011-10-12 11:14:27 ET

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-13   15:16:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Ferret Mike (#37)

This is his problem; he lacks control of the forum and hates that, and he is not admired enough for his liking.

He was a groom but feels his employers, the owners of the horses, should pussy foot around him and his sensitivities. LOLOL What arrogance.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-13   15:17:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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