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Title: Plumbers send Joe down the drain
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URL Source: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/65746.html
Published: Oct 12, 2011
Author: PATRICK GAVIN
Post Date: 2011-10-12 13:55:54 by Skip Intro
Keywords: None
Views: 55934
Comments: 107

As Joe Wurzelbacher, aka “Joe the Plumber,” looks for support for a possible congressional run, he won’t find a lot of backing in one particular demographic: Plumbers.

Some of the nation’s most notable plumbing trade organizations are reacting to news of Wurzelbacher’s run with disinterest or, in one case, disgust.

Rick Terven, Sr. is with The United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipe Fitting Industry of the United States and Canada (know simply as “UA” to the 340,000 members it claims) and writes POLITICO in an email:

“As you know both Dennis Kucinich and Marcy Kaptor are also considering this race and have stood by working families time and time again. In doing so they both have earned the strong support of our members in Ohio. ‘Joe the Plumber’ may have played a part in the 2008 election story, but we know that the plumbers of the United Association and all other plumbers who care about working people will continue to support either Democratic nominee, not ‘Joe the Plumber.’

“‘Joe the Plumber’ does not represent the United Association nor our union members in any way. This is someone who appears to care more about being a celebrity than actually helping working families.”

It was revealed this week that Wurzelbacher filed papers for a potential House run in northern Ohio, although he has yet to make a final decision.

Jim Kendzel is the Executive Director and CEO of the American Society of Plumbing Engineers and hadn’t heard of Wurzelbacher’s run until POLITICO’s phone call. And he didn’t seem moved by it either way, saying: “We encourage all of our members to be active in legislative and code process both at the local and state and federal level promoting good plumbing, engineering practices.”

But as for Wurzelbacher, specifically?

“We really don’t have any comment related to that.”

Well, except on one minor detail: “I don’t believe he’s actually a plumber.”

Kendzel’s right. Wurzelbacher rose to prominence during the 2008 campaign between Barack Obama and John McCain and earned the moniker “Joe the Plumber,” even though it was subsequently revealed that he wasn’t a licensed plumber.

It’s a distinction that’s not lost on the plumbing community.

“I don’t think he’s actually licensed,” said Charlotte Perham, senior director of communications for the Plumbing-Heating-Cooling Contractors Association, which bills itself on its website as “the oldest trade association in the construction industry.”

“I don’t know a lot about him,” said Perham, although she did know that “he’s not a member of our organization.”

“At this point, we don’t have any comment.”

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#48. To: war (#44)

You're out of your mind. The Founders and Framers of this nation were all very highly educated. If you read the letters of Adams and Jefferson alone, you will discover them to be replete with references to Locke, Hobbes, Calvin, Plato etc etc etc.

And you can bet she plagiarized it from some even dumber, 'iliterate' fool.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-13   13:44:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: war, Murron (#45)

I admire Murron's passion.

I've been posting on various boards since the Clinton Administration. I was very naive when I began in that I thought most people would - if given facts and logic - have enough of an open mind to at least consider other viewpoints.

I learned early on that wasn't the case - at least 90 to 95 percent of the time. Most people (and I'll include myself in this) are pretty much set in their ways and comfortable with their beliefs.

After I absorbed that truism, I looked at the time spent on political chit-chat sites as strictly entertainment. Oh, I still learn something from time to time, and I have changed at least some of my viewpoints. (believe it or not).

But I still applaud passion on the conservative side when I see it.

I'll leave the "nit-picking" and "fact-checking" to others - you, perhaps.

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Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-10-13   13:45:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Badeye (#46)

Nice rant, but the dwarf isn't worth the time to read, let alone respond to.

The filter works well.

I pinged you to his post because he mentioned you, but I spoke only for myself. I could have put him on filter but that is not what I wanted, I had my say and now I feel better, but I'm sure war would agree with you, I'll bet he'd rather I put his arrogant ass on filter too.

Murron  posted on  2011-10-13   13:48:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Biff Tannen, war (#47)

My God, mammy . . .

You can take this as constructive criticism.

Or not.

When you use flames like "mammy" or "boofer" (since you didn't coin those), it suggests you are simply a follower, since someone else (who has many faults, but lack of creativity isn't one of them) came up with them.

If that's your intent, then fine. Just thought I'd point it out.

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Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-10-13   13:50:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#51)

The shoe fit.

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Whatcha lookin' at, butthead
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?

Biff Tannen  posted on  2011-10-13   13:51:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#49)

But I still applaud passion on the conservative side when I see it.

Since her premise is wrong, all her passion is misplaced and appears foolish.

Is that really a 'good conservative' stance ?

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-13   13:54:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#51)

You left a few people out of the PING box of that little bit of moralizing, dude. I would also challenge you to find any flame/name calling/diversion etc that was initiated by me. The first thing that you should be applauding is reality. All else may then follow.

Thanks.

Love,
The Mean Old Nasty Dwarf.

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-13   13:55:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Biff Tannen (#52) (Edited)

The shoe fit.

Don't worry.... he'll only make excuses for his fellow ideologues.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-13   13:59:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Biff Tannen (#52)

The shoe fit.

I came up with Mammy, as in Mammy Yokum from Lil' Abner. Fell free to use it.

Every time she posts I see that image of a small, angry old woman smoking a corncob pipe.

Tell me that doesn't fit "our" Mammy to a "T".

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-10-13   14:01:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Badeye (#46)

Nice rant, but the dwarf isn't worth the time to read, let alone respond to.

Chuckles...the database shows that you comment about me all of the time and you just got caught lying about having me on filter.

But you have a very nice day, Boofer!!!! A bowl of chili might help!!!

[snicker]

Love,
The Mean Old Nasty Dwarf

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-13   14:02:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Skip Intro (#56)

lol, that's the image I see too. All that on the porch of a trailer. And the porch is made of old skids.

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Whatcha lookin' at, butthead
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?

Biff Tannen  posted on  2011-10-13   14:05:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#51) (Edited)

(who has many faults, but lack of creativity isn't one of them)

Many?!? C'mon...there are better adjectives...

Plethora...

Heaps...

Shitload...

And I was going to say that it was Fred or Skip who came up with "Mammy" but Skip has stepped up here.

On the other hand, BOOFER is all mine and is so goddam fitting it's like the word was invented just for him...

After all, he is so special...

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-13   14:06:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: mininggold (#53)

And I think he might be mistaking passion for a drunken rage.

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Whatcha lookin' at, butthead
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?

Biff Tannen  posted on  2011-10-13   14:06:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: war, Get Outta Dodge! (#54)

You left a few people out of the PING box of that little bit of moralizing, dude. I would also challenge you to find any flame/name calling/diversion etc that was initiated by me. The first thing that you should be applauding is reality. All else may then follow.

Thanks.

Love, The Mean Old Nasty Dwarf.

Let's see, I've been 'whininggold, whiningwhore', to name just a few that occur everytime I post, generally from Get's bestest buddies, without nary a peep from him.

If he ever bothered to apply his advice to Libby there would be no reason for her to ever post here again.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-13   14:06:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#49) (Edited)

I admire Murron's passion.

Your first reaction should be dismay at her ignorance of American history. She just pulled the internet version of:

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-13   14:10:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: war (#59)

On the other hand, BOOFER is all mine and is so goddam fitting it's like the word was invented just for him...

It does, for some reason. I also find the name works perfectly in exclamatory sentences, i.e. "Great Boofer's Ghost!", and "Great Galloping Boofers!"

That he looks like Don Knotts in The Incredible Mr. Limpet only makes it better.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-10-13   14:11:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Skip Intro (#63)

That he looks like Don Knotts in The Incredible Mr. Limpet only makes it better.

YES IT DOES...

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-13   14:13:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Biff Tannen (#60)

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Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-13   14:13:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: mininggold, lucysmom (#61)

Let's see, I've been 'whininggold, whiningwhore', to name just a few that occur everytime I post, generally from Get's bestest buddies, without nary a peep from him.

There was also "goofysmom" for lucysmom, until someone clued him in that his insult was directed at the daughter, not lucy. It took quite a bit of time before he caught on.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-10-13   14:14:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: war (#54)

The first thing that you should be applauding is reality. All else may then follow.

That prompted me to look up some reality quotes:

Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. ~Philip K. Dick

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. ~Albert Einstein

Are you really sure that a floor can't also be a ceiling? ~M.C. Escher

No man will be found in whose mind airy notions do not sometimes tyrannize, and force him to hope or fear beyond the limits of sober probability. ~Samuel Johnson

How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg. ~Abraham Lincoln

Most passport pictures are good likenesses, and it is time we faced it. ~Katharine Brush

There is an objective reality out there, but we view it through the spectacles of our beliefs, attitudes, and values. ~David G. Myers, Social Psychology

Objectivity has about as much substance as the emperor's new clothes. ~Connie Miller

Illusions commend themselves to us because they save us pain and allow us to enjoy pleasure instead. We must therefore accept it without complaint when they sometimes collide with a bit of reality against which they are dashed to pieces. ~Sigmund Freud

How do we know that the sky is not green and we are all colour-blind? ~Author Unknown

There are no facts, only interpretations. ~Friedrich Nietzsche

What is reality anyway! It's nothing but a collective hunch. ~Jane Wagner, The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, 1985, performed by Lily Tomlin

What is a face, really? Its own photo? Its make-up? Or is it a face as painted by such or such painter? That which is in front? Inside? Behind? And the rest? Doesn't everyone look at himself in his own particular way? Deformations simply do not exist. ~Pablo Picasso

I am a thread too slender To suspend all this reality... ~Phillip Pulfrey, "Madness," Love, Abstraction and other Speculations, www.originals.net

What was once called the objective world is a sort of Rorschach ink blot, into which each culture, each system of science and religion, each type of personality, reads a meaning only remotely derived from the shape and color of the blot itself. ~Lewis Mumford, "Orientation to Life," The Conduct of Life, 1951

Reality leaves a lot to the imagination. ~John Lennon

Humankind cannot bear very much reality. ~T.S. Eliot

Nothing exists except atoms and empty space; everything else is opinion. ~Democritus

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Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-10-13   14:14:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#67)

Nothing exists except atoms and empty space; everything else is opinion. ~Democritus

And he didn't have the internet!!!

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-13   14:16:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Skip Intro (#63)

"You hit a frog at twenty paces you'll never miss, blah, blah, blah" .... Boofer

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Whatcha lookin' at, butthead
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?

Biff Tannen  posted on  2011-10-13   14:18:01 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Skip Intro (#63)

"Eaten up with the Boofers"...is another...

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-13   14:18:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: war (#62)

"Your first reaction should be dismay at her ignorance of American history. She just pulled the internet version of:"

I'm sure that if she knew the war cry of the Japanese of the WW II era, she would turn, "TORA TORA TORA!" into a very sissified desire by the Japanese to wear togas.

Sometime I think her mind is wired like they had used a plate of noodles as a schematic drawn up to gide the electrition in that task.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-13   14:19:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Skip Intro (#66)

There was also "goofysmom" for lucysmom, until someone clued him in that his insult was directed at the daughter, not lucy. It took quite a bit of time before he caught on.

I've always doubted that English is his native language.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-13   14:21:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Biff Tannen (#69)

Yep, that's boofer al right. Here is where Capitalisp Erica fits into the mayberry version of this pop stand.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-13   14:23:00 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Ferret Mike (#71)

One of the funniest posts I ever saw on the internet was someone, it may have been Out Damn Spot, say that she was never going to shop at "Target" because the French had refused to let us use bases or something some time.

When I asked what "Target" had to do with the French she responded that it was a French company. That stopped me for a moment until I realized that she *thought* that it was "Tar-jay"...

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-13   14:24:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Skip Intro (#63)

The fact I was an RM2 escapes you obviously, and what that implies.

Badeye posted on 2007-01-30 16:42:29 ET Reply Trace

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-13   14:27:31 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: mininggold (#72)

"It took quite a bit of time before he caught on."

He reminds me of a fellow tree planter who some of us knew was going to try to fake a knee injury to get a comp claim. The guy did his fake fall down, but hit is head instead of his knee as planned.

He yelled, "OWWW! My knee!" as he rubbed his bruised forehead, We laughed at him all the way home from the job site that day.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-13   14:27:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: war (#74)

That sounds like Out Damn Spot. She's the type whom when told she should buy a vowel if she cant get a clue would ask if she could use her debit card to do that instead of paying with cash.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-13   14:30:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Ferret Mike (#73)

Bunch of deep thinkers here today...lmao

Goofy is perfect for the brain dead, DNC talking points chick.

Yes, I'm a good shot Biffy, and yep, it was from target shooting frogs. Its amusing I chatted about that years ago at LP and its still in your pea brain. Pity it didn't take up the brain cells required for you to type.

Mikey, Mikey, Mikey...so sad...so sad. Oh well.

afternoon ming....

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-10-13   14:31:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Badeye (#78)

Water pistols don't count in marksmanship events Badeye.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-10-13   14:33:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Badeye (#78)

Bunch of deep thinkers here today...lmao

You're here today. Boofer...

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-13   14:34:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: mininggold (#61)

Let's see, I've been 'whininggold, whiningwhore', to name just a few that occur everytime I post, generally from Get's bestest buddies, without nary a peep from him.

We moved around a lot when I was a kid - one of the effects of that was I was usually the new kid in class. If you've ever been "the new kid" in school, you already know that recess on the playground could be a rather unpleasant experience as one is surrounded by "gangs" of tykes on bikes.

Sometimes these chat forums remind me of my school days . . .

That said, I speak and write for myself. No one else. All evidence to the contrary, we're all adults here. If we're literate enough to use a computer, then we should be able to "own" what we say ourselves and deal with each other one-on-one.

I feel no obligation (unless the spirit moves me) to condemn or defend what others say. Capiche?

Ming - this was one of the RARE OCCASIONS where you actually posted something I believed I needed to respond to. Don't let it happen again, okay?

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Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-10-13   14:34:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Ferret Mike (#79)

Uh huh. lmao

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-10-13   14:34:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Ferret Mike (#79)

Chuckles...

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-13   14:34:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Ferret Mike (#79)

Water pistols don't count in marksmanship events Badeye.

I think he was talking about hitting the inside of the toilet bowl.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-10-13   16:02:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Skip Intro, Ferret Mike, Badeye (#84) (Edited)

Water pistols don't count in marksmanship events Badeye.

I think he was talking about hitting the inside of the toilet bowl.

Here, this should help . . .

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EASTER ISLAND MYSTERY - - SOLVED!!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-10-13   16:06:10 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#85)

Do all you old guys need an aiming device for your toilets? Or perhaps you confused a urinal with a toilet.

Senior moment, I guess.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-10-13   16:10:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#85)

Ever notice the kooks always end up with toilet humor, or gays?

Weird, but the database doesn't lie.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-10-13   16:11:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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