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Title: GOP debate is wicked
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URL Source: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/65719.html
Published: Oct 12, 2011
Author: ROGER SIMON
Post Date: 2011-10-12 11:30:40 by Skip Intro
Keywords: None
Views: 34258
Comments: 63

The Republican race has turned into “The Wizard of Oz.” Rick Perry wants a brain. Mitt Romney wants a heart. And any number of candidates are Dorothy, realizing there is no place like home and they should have stayed there.

Herman Cain is seeking courage. He needs the courage to face the fact he is never going to be the Republican nominee, no matter how well he does in the polls. He needs the courage to settle for something far better than the presidency: His own show on Fox.

They all march down the yellow brick road that leads not from rally to rally or, heaven forbid, voter to voter, but from debate to debate, like the one held Tuesday at Dartmouth College in Hanover, N.H. All the candidates were seated and co-moderator Charlie Rose described the setting as a “kitchen table.”

But if it had been my kitchen table growing up, I would have left home.

Ostensibly devoted to the topic of economics, the debate was instead devoted to sniping and one-liners and familiar regurgitations from the candidates’ briefing books. If it is possible to hold a debate and have nobody win, this was it.

But, once again, Romney didn’t lose, which makes him the same thing as a winner. If he could only find a heart. He seems like someone who plays a president on TV, not someone who really yearns for the job. If you put your ear to his chest, would you hear the lub-dub, lub-dub of a warm human heart or the whirr and click of a cold, calculating machine?

As usual, he had his lines down: “The answer is to cut federal spending. The second part of the answer is to get our economy to grow. Get Americans back to work and paying taxes. I think it’s a terrible idea to cut defense. I think it’s a terrible idea to raise taxes.”

Whirr. Click.

Rick Perry, who blamed his past poor debate performances on being “tired,” will have to come up with a new excuse for why he cannot find his brain. Tuesday night, he didn’t look like he needed sleep, but caffeine. In reality, he is probably brighter than his predecessor as governor of Texas, George W. Bush (who nonetheless managed to get through eight years in the White House). But Perry simply cannot show it.

Visibly nervous, he stumbled from answer to answer, and even his rehearsed lines seemed defensive and prickly. “Mitt’s had six years to work on a plan,” Perry grumped. “I’ve been at this about eight weeks.”

Pray for another eight weeks, governor.

And then there were the lions and tigers and bears.

Michele Bachmann, a former flavor of the week, came armed with one-liners. She hit Herman Cain’s trademark 9-9-9- tax plan, hoping to pick up conservative — and mystical — voters. “Take 9-9-9 and turn it upside down,” Bachmann said. “The devil is in the details.”

The audience, which is to be commended for never cheering once for death, heard that reference to the sign of the devil and went, “Oooooo.”

(Go ahead and call Bachmann the Wicked Witch of the West. I’m not going to risk it. Someone might try to throw a bucket of water on her.)

Rick Santorum said at one point: “I want to go to war with China.” He was talking about an economic war. I think.

Jon Huntsman, moderate, reasonable and therefore un-nominatable in the Republican Party, reduced himself to low comedy. “I would respectfully disagree with Rick Santorum; Pennsylvania is not the gas capital of the country,” Huntsman said. “Washington, D.C., is the gas capital of the country.”

He then waited for the guffaws that never came.

It went on for 90 grueling minutes, with each candidate elbowing the other around the table. “I’m still speaking! I’m still speaking! I’m still speaking!” Romney said at one point.

Which allows me to bring this extended metaphor to a close with a very famous and very apt exchange.

Dorothy: “How do you talk if you don’t have a brain?”

Scarecrow: “Well, some people without brains do an awful lot of talking, don’t they?” Subscribe to *Elections 2012*

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#1. To: All (#0)

Forget the screeds, like this one.

Fact is, I was surprised at how well Rose did, along with both of his co hosts/questioners. Tumulty got a bit annoying, but given her far leftwingnut point of view, wasn't nearly as bad as I expected.

What was very well done was the 'after' round table. Saw that this morning on repeat, by accident actually. I left it on Bloomberg last night, there it was this morning at 5AM.

Badeye  posted on  2011-10-12   11:46:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Badeye (#1)

Forget the screeds, like this one.

You don't really know what a screed is, do you?

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-12   11:57:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: mininggold, Badeye (#5)

"Forget the screeds, like this one."

"You don't really know what a screed is, do you?"

"Afternoon ming."

Careful BE, this is a bright one she is, if it wern't for her, I wouldn't have known we could board horses on a 50 acrea farm, and still raise and preserve our own food....just think of the fking time, and money, I have wasted on manicures.

Murron  posted on  2011-10-12   13:10:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Murron (#10)

Careful BE, this is a bright one she is, if it wern't for her, I wouldn't have known we could board horses on a 50 acrea farm, and still raise and preserve our own food....just think of the fking time, and money, I have wasted on manicures.

Oh that's right! You used to post that photo of 'your' pinto horse on 'your' picture perfect farm, but it was really stolen off some website. And then you and sweety said it had 'party eyes'. LOLOL

That told me all I had to know about your knowledge of horses.

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-12   13:18:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mininggold, Murron (#11)

That told me all I had to know about your knowledge of horses.

Ming, you delve into a lot of subjects that you profess working (if not intimate) knowledge of, and then demonstrate you don't know squat about...

This comment sounds like more of the same.

But then, every idiot who had a pony when they were a kid, thinks they're an expert...

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-12   13:49:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Capitalist Eric (#14) (Edited)

Ming, you delve into a lot of subjects that you profess working (if not intimate) knowledge of, and then demonstrate you don't know squat about...

This comment sounds like more of the same.

But then, every idiot who had a pony when they were a kid, thinks they're an expert...

LOLOL You have to be kidding. I've raised horse since I was fifteen. Even had one in the old Snaffle Bit Futurity when it was originally held in Santa Rosa.

And how many race winners have you bred, raised and ran? We had two Cal Bred Champions and one World Champion come off our farm.

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-12   14:00:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: mininggold (#18)

And how many race winners have you bred, raised and ran?

I don't do racing, with horses. It's cruel and abusive to them... and, if you actually do know shit about horses, you already know what I mean. I've had plenty of experience with them, after you've finished with them. And I've SEEN what you "owners" do.

It's NOT something you should be bragging about...

BTW, what you've had "come of your farm" doesn't mean diddley-shit. I've been to Nationals twice, qualified a lot more... It doesn't mean anything...

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-12   14:23:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Capitalist Eric (#22)

TheBimbo: "And how many race winners have you bred, raised and ran?"

I suppose someone of her limited intellect would confuse 'boarding horses' with breeding, raising and racing them.

Murron  posted on  2011-10-12   15:12:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Murron (#26)

I just let it slide.

In my experience (and as a kid on a ranch), a boarder meant another flake of alfalfa, and another stall to clean.

Beyond that, I really didn't care, as long as they were reasonably well- mannered...

[Though I did have a 2 year-old colt who kept nipping me, when I'd be picking his stall... one day he got the back of my arm, and he got it good. After swearing a bit, I walked over, reached up, and bit down on his ear... he lifted me off my feet, then I came back down... and eventually he dropped to his knees, before I let go... Bastard never bit anyone again... LOL. It was worth the mouthful of dusty hair.]

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-12   15:19:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Capitalist Eric (#29)

To be honest, neither of us, nor anyone else for that matter, owe paris hilton explanations about our lives, or how we live, let her get her own...lol

Murron  posted on  2011-10-12   15:56:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Murron (#32)

paris hilton explanations about our lives...

Were it that good!

God knows how many times I went to school, with my boots smelling like manure.

NOT the kind of thing that got me dates... LOL.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-12   15:59:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Capitalist Eric (#34)

My daughter will be here for Thanksgiving, she has a cam, she's always taking pics, I'll get a few shots here, maybe even a few of me too..lol, and post, of the vast pasture land and horses here. It starts at the end of my front yard and goes all around us, there are 3 barns and several outbuilding, it's a life I wouldn't change for anything, like a little piece of heaven on earth.

Murron  posted on  2011-10-12   16:02:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Murron (#36)

I'm glad you're happy...

When I visit my folks, it always amazes me how quiet it is...

I live in a suburb now. My wife and kids are usually splashing in the pool or hot-tub, and I like working on old cars, so I have a 3-car garage, with a small fridge full of beer, and a loud stereo. I enjoy the process of building something... but once it's done, I usually sell it, and start something else, simply because the finished product bores me.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-12   16:31:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Capitalist Eric, sneakypete (#43)

In addition to Russian wimmens you and petey have a similar interest in working on old cars - so I'll ping him to your reply.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-10-12   16:41:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Fred Mertz, Capitalist Eric (#47)

In addition to Russian wimmens you and petey have a similar interest in working on old cars - so I'll ping him to your reply.

Thanks,Fred. I just bought a 1937 International pickup in North Dakota and brought it home a couple of week ago. Runs and drives,and I even drove it up on the trailer. I'll be driving it as soon as I get the time to put new brake lines on it and rebuild the wheel and master cylinders.

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-12   18:01:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: sneakypete (#54)

Thanks,Fred. I just bought a 1937 International pickup in North Dakota and brought it home a couple of week ago.

Because you want a car as old as you?

meguro  posted on  2011-10-12   22:06:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#60. To: meguro (#59)

Because you want a car as old as you?

Jealous because I will probably outlive you?

sneakypete  posted on  2011-10-12 22:45:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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