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Title: GOP debate is wicked
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URL Source: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/65719.html
Published: Oct 12, 2011
Author: ROGER SIMON
Post Date: 2011-10-12 11:30:40 by Skip Intro
Keywords: None
Views: 34263
Comments: 63

The Republican race has turned into “The Wizard of Oz.” Rick Perry wants a brain. Mitt Romney wants a heart. And any number of candidates are Dorothy, realizing there is no place like home and they should have stayed there.

Herman Cain is seeking courage. He needs the courage to face the fact he is never going to be the Republican nominee, no matter how well he does in the polls. He needs the courage to settle for something far better than the presidency: His own show on Fox.

They all march down the yellow brick road that leads not from rally to rally or, heaven forbid, voter to voter, but from debate to debate, like the one held Tuesday at Dartmouth College in Hanover, N.H. All the candidates were seated and co-moderator Charlie Rose described the setting as a “kitchen table.”

But if it had been my kitchen table growing up, I would have left home.

Ostensibly devoted to the topic of economics, the debate was instead devoted to sniping and one-liners and familiar regurgitations from the candidates’ briefing books. If it is possible to hold a debate and have nobody win, this was it.

But, once again, Romney didn’t lose, which makes him the same thing as a winner. If he could only find a heart. He seems like someone who plays a president on TV, not someone who really yearns for the job. If you put your ear to his chest, would you hear the lub-dub, lub-dub of a warm human heart or the whirr and click of a cold, calculating machine?

As usual, he had his lines down: “The answer is to cut federal spending. The second part of the answer is to get our economy to grow. Get Americans back to work and paying taxes. I think it’s a terrible idea to cut defense. I think it’s a terrible idea to raise taxes.”

Whirr. Click.

Rick Perry, who blamed his past poor debate performances on being “tired,” will have to come up with a new excuse for why he cannot find his brain. Tuesday night, he didn’t look like he needed sleep, but caffeine. In reality, he is probably brighter than his predecessor as governor of Texas, George W. Bush (who nonetheless managed to get through eight years in the White House). But Perry simply cannot show it.

Visibly nervous, he stumbled from answer to answer, and even his rehearsed lines seemed defensive and prickly. “Mitt’s had six years to work on a plan,” Perry grumped. “I’ve been at this about eight weeks.”

Pray for another eight weeks, governor.

And then there were the lions and tigers and bears.

Michele Bachmann, a former flavor of the week, came armed with one-liners. She hit Herman Cain’s trademark 9-9-9- tax plan, hoping to pick up conservative — and mystical — voters. “Take 9-9-9 and turn it upside down,” Bachmann said. “The devil is in the details.”

The audience, which is to be commended for never cheering once for death, heard that reference to the sign of the devil and went, “Oooooo.”

(Go ahead and call Bachmann the Wicked Witch of the West. I’m not going to risk it. Someone might try to throw a bucket of water on her.)

Rick Santorum said at one point: “I want to go to war with China.” He was talking about an economic war. I think.

Jon Huntsman, moderate, reasonable and therefore un-nominatable in the Republican Party, reduced himself to low comedy. “I would respectfully disagree with Rick Santorum; Pennsylvania is not the gas capital of the country,” Huntsman said. “Washington, D.C., is the gas capital of the country.”

He then waited for the guffaws that never came.

It went on for 90 grueling minutes, with each candidate elbowing the other around the table. “I’m still speaking! I’m still speaking! I’m still speaking!” Romney said at one point.

Which allows me to bring this extended metaphor to a close with a very famous and very apt exchange.

Dorothy: “How do you talk if you don’t have a brain?”

Scarecrow: “Well, some people without brains do an awful lot of talking, don’t they?” Subscribe to *Elections 2012*

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#1. To: All (#0)

Forget the screeds, like this one.

Fact is, I was surprised at how well Rose did, along with both of his co hosts/questioners. Tumulty got a bit annoying, but given her far leftwingnut point of view, wasn't nearly as bad as I expected.

What was very well done was the 'after' round table. Saw that this morning on repeat, by accident actually. I left it on Bloomberg last night, there it was this morning at 5AM.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-10-12   11:46:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Skip Intro (#0)

Thanks for the summary. I rarely watch those charades.

Was Ron Paul there? How did he do?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-10-12   11:47:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Badeye (#1)

Fact is, I was surprised at how well Rose did...

Charlie Rose is running for president?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-10-12   11:48:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Fred Mertz (#2)

Was Ron Paul there? How did he do?

I don't know. I don't watch them either. There's no point to it.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-10-12   11:54:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Badeye (#1)

Forget the screeds, like this one.

You don't really know what a screed is, do you?

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-12   11:57:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Fred Mertz, *Ron Paul for President* (#2)

Was Ron Paul there? How did he do?

He must have won the debate, which is why politico isn't mentioning him.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2011-10-12   12:15:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Fred Mertz (#3)

still can't add anything to a forum after all these years, freddie?

Sheesh...a decade after FR banned you?

Its sad.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-10-12   12:31:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: mininggold (#5)

Afternoon ming.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-10-12   12:32:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Skip Intro (#0)

Herman Cain is seeking courage. He needs the courage to face the fact he is never going to be the Republican nominee, no matter how well he does in the polls. He needs the courage to settle for something far better than the presidency: His own show on Fox.

Great line.

__________________________________________________________________________________________

EASTER ISLAND MYSTERY - - SOLVED!!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-10-12   12:37:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: mininggold, Badeye (#5)

"Forget the screeds, like this one."

"You don't really know what a screed is, do you?"

"Afternoon ming."

Careful BE, this is a bright one she is, if it wern't for her, I wouldn't have known we could board horses on a 50 acrea farm, and still raise and preserve our own food....just think of the fking time, and money, I have wasted on manicures.

Murron  posted on  2011-10-12   13:10:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Murron (#10)

Careful BE, this is a bright one she is, if it wern't for her, I wouldn't have known we could board horses on a 50 acrea farm, and still raise and preserve our own food....just think of the fking time, and money, I have wasted on manicures.

Oh that's right! You used to post that photo of 'your' pinto horse on 'your' picture perfect farm, but it was really stolen off some website. And then you and sweety said it had 'party eyes'. LOLOL

That told me all I had to know about your knowledge of horses.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-12   13:18:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Murron (#10)

...just think of the fking time, and money, I have wasted on manicures...

...when you could have been learning to express yourself clearly in your - allegedly - native tongue.

BTW, you claim to have seen the orginal Northwoods documents? I call...

MAMMY MANURE

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-12   13:21:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: mininggold (#5) (Edited)

You don't really know what a screed is, do you?

Let me take a wild guess and say..."No...he doesn't..."

He probably meant "screech" but lord knows that even though I may be inside of his head I certainly don't dwell there...

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-12   13:24:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mininggold, Murron (#11)

That told me all I had to know about your knowledge of horses.

Ming, you delve into a lot of subjects that you profess working (if not intimate) knowledge of, and then demonstrate you don't know squat about...

This comment sounds like more of the same.

But then, every idiot who had a pony when they were a kid, thinks they're an expert...

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-12   13:49:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: mininggold (#11)

That told me all I had to know about your knowledge of horses.

Hearing voices again, eh?

Murron  posted on  2011-10-12   13:53:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Murron (#15) (Edited)

Hearing voices again, eh?

Party eyes, that was a crackup.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-12   13:56:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: mininggold (#16)

You are the one posting twice to that same comment. You tell me.

Isn't that what ATTENTION WHORES like yourself live for?

Murron  posted on  2011-10-12   13:58:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Capitalist Eric (#14) (Edited)

Ming, you delve into a lot of subjects that you profess working (if not intimate) knowledge of, and then demonstrate you don't know squat about...

This comment sounds like more of the same.

But then, every idiot who had a pony when they were a kid, thinks they're an expert...

LOLOL You have to be kidding. I've raised horse since I was fifteen. Even had one in the old Snaffle Bit Futurity when it was originally held in Santa Rosa.

And how many race winners have you bred, raised and ran? We had two Cal Bred Champions and one World Champion come off our farm.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-12   14:00:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Murron (#17)

Isn't that what ATTENTION WHORES like yourself live for?

Mammy, you've got to try to learn to speak English if you don't want to always look like a stupid hick.

"Generally, you don't use the reflexive or intensive pronoun forms (like "yourself") when the simple objective form of the pronoun ("you") will suffice." - Grammar For Hillbillies

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-10-12   14:04:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Skip Intro (#19)

Mammy, you've got to try to learn to speak English if you don't want to always look like a stupid hick.

"Generally, you don't use the reflexive or intensive pronoun forms (like "yourself") when the simple objective form of the pronoun ("you") will suffice." - Grammar For Hillbillies

She's just pissed that she's been caught using photos without the proper attribution again.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-12   14:07:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Skip Intro (#0)

Michele Bachmann, a former flavor of the week, came armed with one-liners. She hit Herman Cain’s trademark 9-9-9- tax plan, hoping to pick up conservative — and mystical — voters. “Take 9-9-9 and turn it upside down,” Bachmann said. “The devil is in the details.”

Fair tax = 666

big - profitable - comfortable govt !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2011-10-12   14:14:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: mininggold (#18)

And how many race winners have you bred, raised and ran?

I don't do racing, with horses. It's cruel and abusive to them... and, if you actually do know shit about horses, you already know what I mean. I've had plenty of experience with them, after you've finished with them. And I've SEEN what you "owners" do.

It's NOT something you should be bragging about...

BTW, what you've had "come of your farm" doesn't mean diddley-shit. I've been to Nationals twice, qualified a lot more... It doesn't mean anything...

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-12   14:23:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: war (#12)

BTW, you claim to have seen the orginal Northwoods documents? I call...

MAMMY MANURE

She better clean her own stall.

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-12   14:25:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Capitalist Eric, mininggold (#22) (Edited)

I don't do racing, with horses. It's cruel and abusive to them... and, if you actually do know shit about horses, you already know what I mean. I've had plenty of experience with them, after you've finished with them. And I've SEEN what you "owners" do.

It's NOT something you should be bragging about...

BTW, what you've had "come of your farm" doesn't mean diddley-shit. I've been to Nationals twice, qualified a lot more... It doesn't mean anything...

Chuckles...a cry out for recognizing "adequacy" if ever there was...

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-12   14:29:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Capitalist Eric (#22) (Edited)

I bet you are a vegan. There are many 'nationals' for the various breeds and uses, just which ones are you talking about?

When the people are afraid, that's when the greatest long term money is made.~~~~Clark Howard

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-12   14:29:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Capitalist Eric (#22)

TheBimbo: "And how many race winners have you bred, raised and ran?"

I suppose someone of her limited intellect would confuse 'boarding horses' with breeding, raising and racing them.

Murron  posted on  2011-10-12   15:12:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: mininggold (#25)

I bet you're are a vegan.

I'll see your bet, and raise you, to:

I'll bet you're a stupid b!tch.

D'oh!

I win!

Oh, and now for real answer: I've worked with quarter-horses, barrel- racers, and thoroughbred racehorses... After a while, I quit paying attention to the breed, and after a while longer, the horses themselves became a blur... They tend to have hard mouths and really bad attitudes... The ones that had physical problems due to fetlock or knee issues never made it to me, since they couldn't pass a vet-check, and nobody'd want to deal with a crippled horse...

The last time I went to a track was Calgary, where I watched a horse snap his knee while at full speed... The jockey was tossed, and the horse was still trying to run with his leg flopping up into his shoulder, and down his gut, wind-milling up and back...

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-12   15:12:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Murron (#26)

I suppose someone of her limited intellect would confuse 'boarding horses' with breeding, raising and racing them.

You should resuppose...there is nothing on this thread to support that conclusion...

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-12   15:14:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Murron (#26)

I just let it slide.

In my experience (and as a kid on a ranch), a boarder meant another flake of alfalfa, and another stall to clean.

Beyond that, I really didn't care, as long as they were reasonably well- mannered...

[Though I did have a 2 year-old colt who kept nipping me, when I'd be picking his stall... one day he got the back of my arm, and he got it good. After swearing a bit, I walked over, reached up, and bit down on his ear... he lifted me off my feet, then I came back down... and eventually he dropped to his knees, before I let go... Bastard never bit anyone again... LOL. It was worth the mouthful of dusty hair.]

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-12   15:19:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Capitalist Eric, mininggold (#29) (Edited)

That horse tale has horseshit written all over it.

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-12   15:36:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: war (#30)

That's because you don't know shit about the subject.

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-12   15:56:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Capitalist Eric (#29)

To be honest, neither of us, nor anyone else for that matter, owe paris hilton explanations about our lives, or how we live, let her get her own...lol

Murron  posted on  2011-10-12   15:56:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Capitalist Eric (#31)

That horse tale has horseshit written all over it.

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-12   15:57:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Murron (#32)

paris hilton explanations about our lives...

Were it that good!

God knows how many times I went to school, with my boots smelling like manure.

NOT the kind of thing that got me dates... LOL.

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-12   15:59:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Capitalist Eric (#34)

God knows how many times I went to school, with my boots smelling like manure.

I had that same problem after I visited Congress last year . . .

__________________________________________________________________________________________

EASTER ISLAND MYSTERY - - SOLVED!!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-10-12   16:01:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Capitalist Eric (#34)

My daughter will be here for Thanksgiving, she has a cam, she's always taking pics, I'll get a few shots here, maybe even a few of me too..lol, and post, of the vast pasture land and horses here. It starts at the end of my front yard and goes all around us, there are 3 barns and several outbuilding, it's a life I wouldn't change for anything, like a little piece of heaven on earth.

Murron  posted on  2011-10-12   16:02:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Capitalist Eric, lucysmom, mininggold, Skip Intro, Fred Mertz (#34)

God knows how many times I went to school, with my boots smelling like manure.

You were the stinky kid, Junior?!?

Hoo BOY does that explain...MUCH!!!

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-12   16:11:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Murron (#10)

lmao...mingster has made so many factual errors in the past two weeks I just figure 'afternoon ming' and move on is a polite way to treat the poor thing.

Kinda like how you over look that 'not quite right' kid down the block when they have tourettes syndrome. Not their fault.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-10-12   16:11:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Badeye, go65, Fred Mertz, Thunderbird, Biff Tannen, Skip Intro, lucysmom, mininggold (#38)

Is this you commenting on the subject of the thread again, Boofer?

Or are you simply underscoring how witless you are...again?

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-12   16:12:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Murron (#36)

I'll get a few shots here, maybe even a few of me too..lol, and post,[?] of [?] the vast pasture land and horses here. It starts at the end of my front yard and goes all around us,[cs] there are 3 barns and several outbuilding[sic],[period]

You'd better ask the neighbors if they mind you taking pics of their property...

maybe even a few of me too..lol...and horses here

Aren't you being redundant?

Stay Thirsty My Friends...[some guy in a commercial who claims to not always drink beer but who is always seen drinking beer]

war  posted on  2011-10-12   16:16:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#35)

I had that same problem after I visited Congress last year . . .

LMAO.

DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?

"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-12   16:26:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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