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Title: Secret panel can put Americans on "kill list'
Source: Reuters
URL Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011 ... killlist-idUSTRE79475C20111005
Published: Oct 6, 2011
Author: Mark Hosenball
Post Date: 2011-10-06 12:16:04 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 56534
Comments: 91

(Reuters) - American militants like Anwar al-Awlaki are placed on a kill or capture list by a secretive panel of senior government officials, which then informs the president of its decisions, according to officials.

There is no public record of the operations or decisions of the panel, which is a subset of the White House's National Security Council, several current and former officials said. Neither is there any law establishing its existence or setting out the rules by which it is supposed to operate.

The panel was behind the decision to add Awlaki, a U.S.-born militant preacher with alleged al Qaeda connections, to the target list. He was killed by a CIA drone strike in Yemen late last month.

The role of the president in ordering or ratifying a decision to target a citizen is fuzzy. White House spokesman Tommy Vietor declined to discuss anything about the process.

Current and former officials said that to the best of their knowledge, Awlaki, who the White House said was a key figure in al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, al Qaeda's Yemen-based affiliate, had been the only American put on a government list targeting people for capture or death due to their alleged involvement with militants.

The White House is portraying the killing of Awlaki as a demonstration of President Barack Obama's toughness toward militants who threaten the United States. But the process that led to Awlaki's killing has drawn fierce criticism from both the political left and right.

In an ironic turn, Obama, who ran for president denouncing predecessor George W. Bush's expansive use of executive power in his "war on terrorism," is being attacked in some quarters for using similar tactics. They include secret legal justifications and undisclosed intelligence assessments.

Liberals criticized the drone attack on an American citizen as extra-judicial murder.

Conservatives criticized Obama for refusing to release a Justice Department legal opinion that reportedly justified killing Awlaki. They accuse Obama of hypocrisy, noting his administration insisted on publishing Bush-era administration legal memos justifying the use of interrogation techniques many equate with torture, but refused to make public its rationale for killing a citizen without due process.

Some details about how the administration went about targeting Awlaki emerged on Tuesday when the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, Representative Dutch Ruppersberger, was asked by reporters about the killing.

The process involves "going through the National Security Council, then it eventually goes to the president, but the National Security Council does the investigation, they have lawyers, they review, they look at the situation, you have input from the military, and also, we make sure that we follow international law," Ruppersberger said.

LAWYERS CONSULTED

Other officials said the role of the president in the process was murkier than what Ruppersberger described.

They said targeting recommendations are drawn up by a committee of mid-level National Security Council and agency officials. Their recommendations are then sent to the panel of NSC "principals," meaning Cabinet secretaries and intelligence unit chiefs, for approval. The panel of principals could have different memberships when considering different operational issues, they said.

The officials insisted on anonymity to discuss sensitive information.

They confirmed that lawyers, including those in the Justice Department, were consulted before Awlaki's name was added to the target list.

Two principal legal theories were advanced, an official said: first, that the actions were permitted by Congress when it authorized the use of military forces against militants in the wake of the attacks of September 11, 2001; and they are permitted under international law if a country is defending itself.

Several officials said that when Awlaki became the first American put on the target list, Obama was not required personally to approve the targeting of a person. But one official said Obama would be notified of the principals' decision. If he objected, the decision would be nullified, the official said.

A former official said one of the reasons for making senior officials principally responsible for nominating Americans for the target list was to "protect" the president.

Officials confirmed that a second American, Samir Khan, was killed in the drone attack that killed Awlaki. Khan had served as editor of Inspire, a glossy English-language magazine used by AQAP as a propaganda and recruitment vehicle.

But rather than being specifically targeted by drone operators, Khan was in the wrong place at the wrong time, officials said. Ruppersberger appeared to confirm that, saying Khan's death was "collateral," meaning he was not an intentional target of the drone strike.

When the name of a foreign, rather than American, militant is added to targeting lists, the decision is made within the intelligence community and normally does not require approval by high-level NSC officials.

'FROM INSPIRATIONAL TO OPERATIONAL'

Officials said Awlaki, whose fierce sermons were widely circulated on English-language militant websites, was targeted because Washington accumulated information his role in AQAP had gone "from inspirational to operational." That meant that instead of just propagandizing in favor of al Qaeda objectives, Awlaki allegedly began to participate directly in plots against American targets.

"Let me underscore, Awlaki is no mere messenger but someone integrally involved in lethal terrorist activities," Daniel Benjamin, top counterterrorism official at the State Department, warned last spring.

The Obama administration has not made public an accounting of the classified evidence that Awlaki was operationally involved in planning terrorist attacks.

But officials acknowledged that some of the intelligence purporting to show Awlaki's hands-on role in plotting attacks was patchy.

For instance, one plot in which authorities have said Awlaki was involved Nigerian-born Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, accused of trying to blow up a Detroit-bound U.S. airliner on Christmas Day 2009 with a bomb hidden in his underpants.

There is no doubt Abdulmutallab was an admirer or follower of Awlaki, since he admitted that to U.S. investigators. When he appeared in a Detroit courtroom earlier this week for the start of his trial on bomb-plot charges, he proclaimed, "Anwar is alive."

But at the time the White House was considering putting Awlaki on the U.S. target list, intelligence connecting Awlaki specifically to Abdulmutallab and his alleged bomb plot was partial. Officials said at the time the United States had voice intercepts involving a phone known to have been used by Awlaki and someone who they believed, but were not positive, was Abdulmutallab.

Awlaki was also implicated in a case in which a British Airways employee was imprisoned for plotting to blow up a U.S.-bound plane. E-mails retrieved by authorities from the employee's computer showed what an investigator described as " operational contact" between Britain and Yemen.

Authorities believe the contacts were mainly between the U.K.-based suspect and his brother. But there was a strong suspicion Awlaki was at the brother's side when the messages were dispatched. British media reported that in one message, the person on the Yemeni end supposedly said, "Our highest priority is the US ... With the people you have, is it possible to get a package or a person with a package on board a flight heading to the US?"

U.S. officials contrast intelligence suggesting Awlaki's involvement in specific plots with the activities of Adam Gadahn, an American citizen who became a principal English-language propagandist for the core al Qaeda network formerly led by Osama bin Laden.

While Gadahn appeared in angry videos calling for attacks on the United States, officials said he had not been specifically targeted for capture or killing by U.S. forces because he was regarded as a loudmouth not directly involved in plotting attacks.


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Who are these people. Someone get their names and we will make our own little list.

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#27. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Are these those death panels Palin was talking about?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-10-06   15:41:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Fred Mertz (#27)

As per your informative post, the stated enemies list of 0bama and Holder, branded "terrorists":

That is so unlike you LIbby...lying about something.

First off, that "list" as you call, came from DHS not DOJ. Secondly, it is nothing more than racial profiling of potential recruits to right wing terrorist groups. You're FOR racial profiling aren't you?

war  posted on  2011-10-06   15:50:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: war (#29) (Edited)

First off, that "list" as you call, came from DHS not DOJ.

So you're claiming 0bama and his inner-cabal of Commies and Idi Aminites had NOTHING to do with it? Only Nappy pulled the list of out her azz? LOL! They're a TEAM!

Secondly, it is nothing more than racial profiling of potential recruits to right wing terrorist groups. You're FOR racial profiling aren't you?

God knows how the US has been staving off all those "right wing" threats to the WTC and the Pentagon and DC Snipers and Ft. Hood slaughters from within all those right-wing Mosques....right, DUMMY? Uh...Never mind.

Of course I endorse racial profiling - that's exactly how law enforcement and profiling of ALL sorts works instead of wasting assets and shaking down white grammas and nuns at airports to appease PC fluffers like you.

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-06   16:39:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Liberator (#36) (Edited)

So you're claiming 0bama and his inner-cabal of Commies and Idi Aminites had NOTHING to do with it? Only Nappy pulled the list of out her azz? LOL! They're a TEAM!

I'm telling you that this was something that had begun under the previous administration's DHS and was completed in early 2009 by the subsequent administration.

You're too hung up on hating those niggers who hate America to care.

God knows how the US has been staving off all those "right wing" threats to the WTC and the Pentagon and DC Snipers and Ft. Hood slaughters from within all those right-wing Mosques....right, DUMMY? Uh...Never mind.

Or FBI buildings...or abortion clinics...or abortion providers...or...

Oh...wait...

war  posted on  2011-10-06   18:13:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: war (#40) (Edited)

You're too hung up on hating those niggers who hate America to care.

Do this mean you justify Holder and 0bama's hostility and assault of Whitey as "reparation" for slavery? Or "justification" is ANY legit sense?

God knows how the US has been staving off all those "right wing" threats to the WTC and the Pentagon and DC Snipers and Ft. Hood slaughters from within all those right-wing Mosques....right, DUMMY? Uh...Never mind.

Or FBI buildings...or abortion clinics...or abortion providers...or...Oh...wait...

"Wait" for what? You to make a LEGIT point? LOL! You've cited McVeigh as an example of "right wing"?? Bwaaahaa! CLUE-LESS. And as though THAT example dovetails with 9/11? OR even the original Muslim take-down of the WTC back in 1993?

And then you have the balls to cite your desperate examples of "right wing terrorism" because of an anomalous assault of a professional baby killer to supposedly counter-balance the DC Sniper terrorism and murders after 9/11, AND the 50-odd shootings at Ft. Hood by a Muslim "Captain"? Not the mention the Muzzie member of the US Army who rolled a grenade into a tent in Iraq?

Read it and weep: FAIL, war.

The REAL Terrorists remain Muslims, yet you, Nappy, 0bama and Holder put Whitey of the fake "terrorist" list. Some of us know who the real "terrorists" are.

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-07   10:49:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Liberator (#45)

Do this mean you justify Holder and 0bama's hostility and assault of Whitey as "reparation" for slavery?

Generally, given their particular racial demographic, that is hardly a unique position.

That said, the only public position that Obama has taken on reparations is to oppose them:

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders.

The man with a serious chance to become the nation's first black president argues that government should instead combat the legacy of slavery by improving schools, health care and the economy for all.

"I have said in the past _ and I'll repeat again _ that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed," the Illinois Democrat said recently.

As for Holder, he's entitled to his opinion. He's in no position to affect them. Again, that said, I've neother heard nor read any opinion of Holder's that could be characterized as support for them.

Do you have any contrary information that would support your above statement? Ot is it you and that "nigger" hang-up thing that you have again..."They "be" black so they "be" for."?

Wait" for what? You to make a LEGIT point? LOL! You've cited McVeigh as an example of "right wing"?? Bwaaahaa! CLUE-LESS. And as though THAT example dovetails with 9/11? OR even the original Muslim take-down of the WTC back in 1993?

First off, there is no such thing as "left wing" religious fanaticism. Secondly, YOU made the claim that ALL violence was left wing in nature. McVeigh was hardly a left winger. The people responsible for violence against abortion clinics and providers are hardly left wingers.

Don't blame me for your reality issues.

war  posted on  2011-10-07   11:11:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: war (#46) (Edited)

First off, there is no such thing as "left wing" religious fanaticism.

Sure there is; Statist Worship IS "religious fanaticism." But it is a bi-partisan cult as both you and yukon prove every day.

Secondly, YOU made the claim that ALL violence was left wing in nature. McVeigh was hardly a left winger. The people responsible for violence against abortion clinics and providers are hardly left wingers.

All? Ok, only 95% of the violence is left-wing. McVeigh was NOT "right-wing"; He was an anarchist and reportedly a tool of Muslim extremists (that's right - the OKC "investigation" was sloppy, suspect and bogus.)

The extermination of baby-killers and the eradication of their murder clinics is not remotely the security problem organized Muslim terrorism is. Don't try to draw an equivalent in any sense - it doesn't work.

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-07   11:55:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Liberator (#49) (Edited)

Sure there is; Statist Worship IS "religious fanaticism." But it is a bi-partisan cult as both you and yukon prove every day.

The English language works quite well on its own. It doesn't need your political and racially based distortions.

Thanks,
Noah Webster

All? Ok, only 95% of the violence is left-wing.

Bullshit.

McVeigh was NOT "right-wing"; He was an anarchist and reportedly a tool of Muslim extremists (that's right - the OKC "investigation" was sloppy, suspect and bogus.)

A) Bullshit that he wasn;t right wing.
B) As was pointed out, religious extremism is inherently right wing in nature.

The extermination of baby-killers and the eradication of their murder clinics is not remotely the security problem Muslim terrorism is. Don't try to draw an equivalent in any sense - it doesn't work.

It's in in the quantity of death not the death itself.

Got it.

war  posted on  2011-10-07   11:59:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: war (#51)

Just because you, Bubba, the leftist media, and the rest of the Church of Goob propagandists described McVeigh as a "right-winger" for political theater doesn't make it true.

Oh...McVeigh was an atheist. Like YOU. "NOT a "Christian" as you propagandists tried to foist upon the pods. And fancy that atheists weren't tabbed "terrorists. Oh, and again, McVeigh above all else was an anarchist.

Moreover, it is duly noted that you are unable to support your bogus claim that there is ANY equivalent between your cited example of "terrorists" (abortion clinic extermination), and mine (stated, organized Muslim mass murder and systemic terrorism."

"It's in in the quantity of death not the death itself" you say? So 1 = 1000 to you? GOT IT. Nice moral equivocation.

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-07   12:41:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Liberator (#63)

Just because you, Bubba, the leftist media, and the rest of the Church of Goob propagandists described McVeigh as a "right-winger" for political theater doesn't make it true.

Please Libby...this is a Boofer argument. McVeigh was a right winger. Period. Accept it and move on.

war  posted on  2011-10-07   12:47:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: war (#65)

Please Libby...this is a Boofer argument. McVeigh was a right winger. Period. Accept it and move on.

LOL....Keep on telling yourself that. Afterall, you believe everything else the media and the Church of Goob command of you (Some rebel YOU are....NOT.)

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-07   13:01:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Liberator (#71)

LOL....Keep on telling yourself that. Afterall, you believe everything else the media and the Church of Goob command of you (Some rebel YOU are....NOT.)

You need to keep asking yourself...."Does god understand my code talk"?

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-07   13:11:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: mininggold (#73)

I threw in the towel and put him on bozo. I had forgotten that Libby is best in small doses. After, two or three songs his needle sticks.

war  posted on  2011-10-07   13:12:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: war (#74)

I threw in the towel and put him on bozo.

Your effort was commendable, but we both realize it's impossible to defend the indefensible.

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-07   13:17:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Liberator, war (#78)

Your effort was commendable, but we both realize it's impossible to defend the indefensible.

You ARE like a stuck needle. The so called novelty of your terminology, heard over and over and over again, wears thin..... like most of your obsessions.

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-07   13:27:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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