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Title: Secret panel can put Americans on "kill list'
Source: Reuters
URL Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011 ... killlist-idUSTRE79475C20111005
Published: Oct 6, 2011
Author: Mark Hosenball
Post Date: 2011-10-06 12:16:04 by A K A Stone
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Views: 56519
Comments: 91

(Reuters) - American militants like Anwar al-Awlaki are placed on a kill or capture list by a secretive panel of senior government officials, which then informs the president of its decisions, according to officials.

There is no public record of the operations or decisions of the panel, which is a subset of the White House's National Security Council, several current and former officials said. Neither is there any law establishing its existence or setting out the rules by which it is supposed to operate.

The panel was behind the decision to add Awlaki, a U.S.-born militant preacher with alleged al Qaeda connections, to the target list. He was killed by a CIA drone strike in Yemen late last month.

The role of the president in ordering or ratifying a decision to target a citizen is fuzzy. White House spokesman Tommy Vietor declined to discuss anything about the process.

Current and former officials said that to the best of their knowledge, Awlaki, who the White House said was a key figure in al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, al Qaeda's Yemen-based affiliate, had been the only American put on a government list targeting people for capture or death due to their alleged involvement with militants.

The White House is portraying the killing of Awlaki as a demonstration of President Barack Obama's toughness toward militants who threaten the United States. But the process that led to Awlaki's killing has drawn fierce criticism from both the political left and right.

In an ironic turn, Obama, who ran for president denouncing predecessor George W. Bush's expansive use of executive power in his "war on terrorism," is being attacked in some quarters for using similar tactics. They include secret legal justifications and undisclosed intelligence assessments.

Liberals criticized the drone attack on an American citizen as extra-judicial murder.

Conservatives criticized Obama for refusing to release a Justice Department legal opinion that reportedly justified killing Awlaki. They accuse Obama of hypocrisy, noting his administration insisted on publishing Bush-era administration legal memos justifying the use of interrogation techniques many equate with torture, but refused to make public its rationale for killing a citizen without due process.

Some details about how the administration went about targeting Awlaki emerged on Tuesday when the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, Representative Dutch Ruppersberger, was asked by reporters about the killing.

The process involves "going through the National Security Council, then it eventually goes to the president, but the National Security Council does the investigation, they have lawyers, they review, they look at the situation, you have input from the military, and also, we make sure that we follow international law," Ruppersberger said.

LAWYERS CONSULTED

Other officials said the role of the president in the process was murkier than what Ruppersberger described.

They said targeting recommendations are drawn up by a committee of mid-level National Security Council and agency officials. Their recommendations are then sent to the panel of NSC "principals," meaning Cabinet secretaries and intelligence unit chiefs, for approval. The panel of principals could have different memberships when considering different operational issues, they said.

The officials insisted on anonymity to discuss sensitive information.

They confirmed that lawyers, including those in the Justice Department, were consulted before Awlaki's name was added to the target list.

Two principal legal theories were advanced, an official said: first, that the actions were permitted by Congress when it authorized the use of military forces against militants in the wake of the attacks of September 11, 2001; and they are permitted under international law if a country is defending itself.

Several officials said that when Awlaki became the first American put on the target list, Obama was not required personally to approve the targeting of a person. But one official said Obama would be notified of the principals' decision. If he objected, the decision would be nullified, the official said.

A former official said one of the reasons for making senior officials principally responsible for nominating Americans for the target list was to "protect" the president.

Officials confirmed that a second American, Samir Khan, was killed in the drone attack that killed Awlaki. Khan had served as editor of Inspire, a glossy English-language magazine used by AQAP as a propaganda and recruitment vehicle.

But rather than being specifically targeted by drone operators, Khan was in the wrong place at the wrong time, officials said. Ruppersberger appeared to confirm that, saying Khan's death was "collateral," meaning he was not an intentional target of the drone strike.

When the name of a foreign, rather than American, militant is added to targeting lists, the decision is made within the intelligence community and normally does not require approval by high-level NSC officials.

'FROM INSPIRATIONAL TO OPERATIONAL'

Officials said Awlaki, whose fierce sermons were widely circulated on English-language militant websites, was targeted because Washington accumulated information his role in AQAP had gone "from inspirational to operational." That meant that instead of just propagandizing in favor of al Qaeda objectives, Awlaki allegedly began to participate directly in plots against American targets.

"Let me underscore, Awlaki is no mere messenger but someone integrally involved in lethal terrorist activities," Daniel Benjamin, top counterterrorism official at the State Department, warned last spring.

The Obama administration has not made public an accounting of the classified evidence that Awlaki was operationally involved in planning terrorist attacks.

But officials acknowledged that some of the intelligence purporting to show Awlaki's hands-on role in plotting attacks was patchy.

For instance, one plot in which authorities have said Awlaki was involved Nigerian-born Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, accused of trying to blow up a Detroit-bound U.S. airliner on Christmas Day 2009 with a bomb hidden in his underpants.

There is no doubt Abdulmutallab was an admirer or follower of Awlaki, since he admitted that to U.S. investigators. When he appeared in a Detroit courtroom earlier this week for the start of his trial on bomb-plot charges, he proclaimed, "Anwar is alive."

But at the time the White House was considering putting Awlaki on the U.S. target list, intelligence connecting Awlaki specifically to Abdulmutallab and his alleged bomb plot was partial. Officials said at the time the United States had voice intercepts involving a phone known to have been used by Awlaki and someone who they believed, but were not positive, was Abdulmutallab.

Awlaki was also implicated in a case in which a British Airways employee was imprisoned for plotting to blow up a U.S.-bound plane. E-mails retrieved by authorities from the employee's computer showed what an investigator described as " operational contact" between Britain and Yemen.

Authorities believe the contacts were mainly between the U.K.-based suspect and his brother. But there was a strong suspicion Awlaki was at the brother's side when the messages were dispatched. British media reported that in one message, the person on the Yemeni end supposedly said, "Our highest priority is the US ... With the people you have, is it possible to get a package or a person with a package on board a flight heading to the US?"

U.S. officials contrast intelligence suggesting Awlaki's involvement in specific plots with the activities of Adam Gadahn, an American citizen who became a principal English-language propagandist for the core al Qaeda network formerly led by Osama bin Laden.

While Gadahn appeared in angry videos calling for attacks on the United States, officials said he had not been specifically targeted for capture or killing by U.S. forces because he was regarded as a loudmouth not directly involved in plotting attacks.


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Who are these people. Someone get their names and we will make our own little list.

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#27. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Are these those death panels Palin was talking about?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-10-06   15:41:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Fred Mertz (#27)

As per your informative post, the stated enemies list of 0bama and Holder, branded "terrorists":

That is so unlike you LIbby...lying about something.

First off, that "list" as you call, came from DHS not DOJ. Secondly, it is nothing more than racial profiling of potential recruits to right wing terrorist groups. You're FOR racial profiling aren't you?

war  posted on  2011-10-06   15:50:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: war (#29) (Edited)

First off, that "list" as you call, came from DHS not DOJ.

So you're claiming 0bama and his inner-cabal of Commies and Idi Aminites had NOTHING to do with it? Only Nappy pulled the list of out her azz? LOL! They're a TEAM!

Secondly, it is nothing more than racial profiling of potential recruits to right wing terrorist groups. You're FOR racial profiling aren't you?

God knows how the US has been staving off all those "right wing" threats to the WTC and the Pentagon and DC Snipers and Ft. Hood slaughters from within all those right-wing Mosques....right, DUMMY? Uh...Never mind.

Of course I endorse racial profiling - that's exactly how law enforcement and profiling of ALL sorts works instead of wasting assets and shaking down white grammas and nuns at airports to appease PC fluffers like you.

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-06   16:39:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Liberator (#36) (Edited)

So you're claiming 0bama and his inner-cabal of Commies and Idi Aminites had NOTHING to do with it? Only Nappy pulled the list of out her azz? LOL! They're a TEAM!

I'm telling you that this was something that had begun under the previous administration's DHS and was completed in early 2009 by the subsequent administration.

You're too hung up on hating those niggers who hate America to care.

God knows how the US has been staving off all those "right wing" threats to the WTC and the Pentagon and DC Snipers and Ft. Hood slaughters from within all those right-wing Mosques....right, DUMMY? Uh...Never mind.

Or FBI buildings...or abortion clinics...or abortion providers...or...

Oh...wait...

war  posted on  2011-10-06   18:13:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: war (#40) (Edited)

You're too hung up on hating those niggers who hate America to care.

Do this mean you justify Holder and 0bama's hostility and assault of Whitey as "reparation" for slavery? Or "justification" is ANY legit sense?

God knows how the US has been staving off all those "right wing" threats to the WTC and the Pentagon and DC Snipers and Ft. Hood slaughters from within all those right-wing Mosques....right, DUMMY? Uh...Never mind.

Or FBI buildings...or abortion clinics...or abortion providers...or...Oh...wait...

"Wait" for what? You to make a LEGIT point? LOL! You've cited McVeigh as an example of "right wing"?? Bwaaahaa! CLUE-LESS. And as though THAT example dovetails with 9/11? OR even the original Muslim take-down of the WTC back in 1993?

And then you have the balls to cite your desperate examples of "right wing terrorism" because of an anomalous assault of a professional baby killer to supposedly counter-balance the DC Sniper terrorism and murders after 9/11, AND the 50-odd shootings at Ft. Hood by a Muslim "Captain"? Not the mention the Muzzie member of the US Army who rolled a grenade into a tent in Iraq?

Read it and weep: FAIL, war.

The REAL Terrorists remain Muslims, yet you, Nappy, 0bama and Holder put Whitey of the fake "terrorist" list. Some of us know who the real "terrorists" are.

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-07   10:49:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Liberator (#45)

Do this mean you justify Holder and 0bama's hostility and assault of Whitey as "reparation" for slavery?

Generally, given their particular racial demographic, that is hardly a unique position.

That said, the only public position that Obama has taken on reparations is to oppose them:

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders.

The man with a serious chance to become the nation's first black president argues that government should instead combat the legacy of slavery by improving schools, health care and the economy for all.

"I have said in the past _ and I'll repeat again _ that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed," the Illinois Democrat said recently.

As for Holder, he's entitled to his opinion. He's in no position to affect them. Again, that said, I've neother heard nor read any opinion of Holder's that could be characterized as support for them.

Do you have any contrary information that would support your above statement? Ot is it you and that "nigger" hang-up thing that you have again..."They "be" black so they "be" for."?

Wait" for what? You to make a LEGIT point? LOL! You've cited McVeigh as an example of "right wing"?? Bwaaahaa! CLUE-LESS. And as though THAT example dovetails with 9/11? OR even the original Muslim take-down of the WTC back in 1993?

First off, there is no such thing as "left wing" religious fanaticism. Secondly, YOU made the claim that ALL violence was left wing in nature. McVeigh was hardly a left winger. The people responsible for violence against abortion clinics and providers are hardly left wingers.

Don't blame me for your reality issues.

war  posted on  2011-10-07   11:11:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: war (#46)

0bama's anomalous and purely political words of supposed opposition to reparations contradict his deeds and that of his administration.

Generally, given their [Holder and 0bama] particular racial demographic, that [reparations] is hardly a unique position.

Well, at least now we have an admission of the truth.

Too bad reparations is a VIOLATION of civil rights of Whitey and UN-constitutional NOR has it been legislated through We The People. Oddly enough, that hasn't stopped the goob from enforcing it as we have noted by unequal application of the law though Affirmative Action, quotas, and illegal "hate crimes" legislation. And then we have the black farmers recently receiving billions of dollars for something that happened to others BY others 150 years ago?

The truth of the matter is the black Chief Executive of the US and his black Attorney General are blatantly encouraging and undermining several civil rights laws and abusing the rights of White America with impunity.

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-07   11:42:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Liberator (#47)

0bama's anomalous and purely political words of supposed opposition to reparations contradict his deeds and that of his administration.

Feel free to cite the numerous examples required to vaildate the above statement.

Thanks.

Too bad reparations is [sic] a VIOLATION of civil rights of Whitey [sic] and UN-constitutional

I agree. There is a proscription on Bill of Attainders and Forfeiture of Blood.

NOR has it been legislated through We The People.

Um...okay...and?

and illegal "hate crimes" legislation.

"Hate crimes" statutes are not "illegal". There is no legal estoppel to passing such laws.

And then we have the black farmers recently receiving billions of dollars for something that happened to others BY others 150 years ago?

Uh...no...a) those claims are contemporary to the late 20th and early 21st century b) it wasn't "billions" it was $1.25 billion and c) included American aboriginals.

The truth of the matter is the black Chief Executive of the US and his black Attorney General are blatantly encouraging and undermining several civil rights laws and abusing the rights of White America with impunity.

Goddam those mortherfucking niggers, anyway...

war  posted on  2011-10-07   11:55:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: war (#50)

Feel free to cite the numerous examples required to vaildate the above statement.

Thanks.

If you're gonna play dopey, it does work, but I just don't give a sh*t, Counselour. My statement is "validated" every single frickin' day by your racist mofo hero's words and actions - not that I expect you to admit this to be the case. And then there are his words admitted in his Kenyan version of 'Mein Kampf' books authored by his pal, by Bill Ayers.

As a liberal/progressive, should legal discrimination - AA programs, set-asides and quotas - be scrapped? And what of the select enforcement of the law as per "hate crimes"? Exactly how does IT confer "equal protection" under the law?

With respect to that $1.25 BILLION dollars to black farmers (and a few Indians ALREADY receiving reparations through casino ownership, "nation" subsidies, etc....WHY again is it legal to shake-down 5th gen Whitey?

Goddam those mortherfucking niggers, anyway...

You spelled "motherf*cker" wrong. BOO!

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-07   12:11:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Liberator (#55)

If you're gonna play dopey, it does work, but I just don't give a sh*t, Counselour. My statement is "validated" every single frickin' day by your racist mofo hero's words and actions - not that I expect you to admit this to be the case. And then there are his words admitted in his Kenyan version of 'Mein Kampf' books authored by his pal, by Bill Ayers.

Translated: I really don't have any examples...I just like to rant on about niggers.

With respect to that $1.25 BILLION dollars to black farmers (and a few Indians ALREADY receiving reparations through casino ownership, "nation" subsidies, etc....WHY again is it legal to shake-down 5th gen Whitey?

The claims derive from 1980's and 1990's Ag Department loan guarantees that were denied to black farmers on the basis of race.

Now, if you believe that we are 5 generations removed from 1980...

war  posted on  2011-10-07   12:15:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: war (#56)

Translated: I really don't have any examples...

Re-translated: "Since I worship at the Altar of My 0bama-god (see my tagline and unsigned idol photo), I will shut my eyes, close my ears, and cover my yapper cuz I am blind, deaf and dumb with respect to the sins of my...hero/idol/god."

The claims derive from 1980's and 1990's Ag Department loan guarantees that were denied to black farmers on the basis of race.

And "reparations" and Holder's/0bama's racist regime aren't part of that cozy equation?

Geez....LOL. I didn't receive a college scholarship or job or a couple of loans based on MY race (too white) - where is MY portion of that $1,250,000,000??

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-07   12:24:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Liberator (#59)

Re-translated: "Since I worship at the Altar of My 0bama-god (see my tagline and unsigned idol photo), I will shut my eyes, close my ears, and cover my yapper cuz I am blind, deaf and dumb with respect to the sins of my...hero/idol/god."

See my note above and your efforts to "improve" upon the English language. The fact is, I don't put up with your bullshit that is rooted in your hatred for the man's skin. Your response is to cover up your embarrasment by lashing out with nonsense typical of the above.

And "reparations" and Holder's/0bama's racist regime aren't part of that cozy equation?

The lawsuit pre-dates them taking office, moron, and was close to settlement when DumbDub$43 left office. If you'd get them "goddam niggers" off of what's left of your what wasn't a very big brain to begin with then you'd know this.

I'm done giving you reason to perpetuate your "I hate niggers" campaign, Libby. If you want to discuss your race based frustrations...4um is always looking for traffic.

You give me a "whitey" and other such race nonsense in each and every one of your replies. It's old and now over. If you want to discuss issues...leave race out of it. If you can't...see ya...

war  posted on  2011-10-07   12:35:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#67. To: war (#62)

You give me a "whitey" and other such race nonsense in each and every one of your replies. It's old and now over. If you want to discuss issues...leave race out of it. If you can't...see ya...

Libby's EYEtalian and you know what the rest of Europe says about those Sicilians' racial heritage.

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-07 12:48:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: war (#62)

I don't put up with your bullshit that is rooted in your hatred for the man's skin.

My hatred is rooted in noting and rejecting the treason, lies, and sowing of dissension, enmity, and division of your Commie/fascist racist god, 0bama that are destroying my country. But nice try on your part.

The [black farmers reparations] lawsuit pre-dates them [0bama and Holder] taking office, moron, and was close to settlement when DumbDub$43 left office.

So you say...

I suppose you're going to claim 0bama and Holder had absolutely NO influence in this ridiculous decision, the final ridiculous amount, and fast tracking of this ridiculously racist case.

Lending money to deadbeats and the unqualified isn't necessarily about race; However, to your ilk it's all that matters and a PRIME reason this country is bankrupt. In your defense, uber-statist Dubya Bush did he part in handing out ill-advised loans and helping destroy the economy.

I'm done giving you reason to perpetuate your "I hate niggers" campaign, Libby. If you want to discuss your race based frustrations...4um is always looking for traffic.

Nice meme. Just maybe the real story is "Your racist/Marxist hero 0bama sucks, hates Whitey, is a traitor, and he's f**ked up the country but good." NOT that you GAS either way as a fellow Commie. What's important to you is shilling FOR 0bama and his/your political/religious Cult.

Liberator  posted on  2011-10-07 12:56:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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