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Title: Secret panel can put Americans on "kill list'
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URL Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011 ... killlist-idUSTRE79475C20111005
Published: Oct 6, 2011
Author: Mark Hosenball
Post Date: 2011-10-06 12:16:04 by A K A Stone
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(Reuters) - American militants like Anwar al-Awlaki are placed on a kill or capture list by a secretive panel of senior government officials, which then informs the president of its decisions, according to officials. There is no public record of the operations or decisions of the panel, which is a subset of the White House's National Security Council, several current and former officials said. Neither is there any law establishing its existence or setting out the rules by which it is supposed to operate. The panel was behind the decision to add Awlaki, a U.S.-born militant preacher with alleged al Qaeda connections, to the target list. He was killed by a CIA drone strike in Yemen late last month. The role of the president in ordering or ratifying a decision to target a citizen is fuzzy. White House spokesman Tommy Vietor declined to discuss anything about the process. Current and former officials said that to the best of their knowledge, Awlaki, who the White House said was a key figure in al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, al Qaeda's Yemen-based affiliate, had been the only American put on a government list targeting people for capture or death due to their alleged involvement with militants. The White House is portraying the killing of Awlaki as a demonstration of President Barack Obama's toughness toward militants who threaten the United States. But the process that led to Awlaki's killing has drawn fierce criticism from both the political left and right. In an ironic turn, Obama, who ran for president denouncing predecessor George W. Bush's expansive use of executive power in his "war on terrorism," is being attacked in some quarters for using similar tactics. They include secret legal justifications and undisclosed intelligence assessments. Liberals criticized the drone attack on an American citizen as extra-judicial murder. Conservatives criticized Obama for refusing to release a Justice Department legal opinion that reportedly justified killing Awlaki. They accuse Obama of hypocrisy, noting his administration insisted on publishing Bush-era administration legal memos justifying the use of interrogation techniques many equate with torture, but refused to make public its rationale for killing a citizen without due process. Some details about how the administration went about targeting Awlaki emerged on Tuesday when the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, Representative Dutch Ruppersberger, was asked by reporters about the killing. The process involves "going through the National Security Council, then it eventually goes to the president, but the National Security Council does the investigation, they have lawyers, they review, they look at the situation, you have input from the military, and also, we make sure that we follow international law," Ruppersberger said. LAWYERS CONSULTED Other officials said the role of the president in the process was murkier than what Ruppersberger described. They said targeting recommendations are drawn up by a committee of mid-level National Security Council and agency officials. Their recommendations are then sent to the panel of NSC "principals," meaning Cabinet secretaries and intelligence unit chiefs, for approval. The panel of principals could have different memberships when considering different operational issues, they said. The officials insisted on anonymity to discuss sensitive information. They confirmed that lawyers, including those in the Justice Department, were consulted before Awlaki's name was added to the target list. Two principal legal theories were advanced, an official said: first, that the actions were permitted by Congress when it authorized the use of military forces against militants in the wake of the attacks of September 11, 2001; and they are permitted under international law if a country is defending itself. Several officials said that when Awlaki became the first American put on the target list, Obama was not required personally to approve the targeting of a person. But one official said Obama would be notified of the principals' decision. If he objected, the decision would be nullified, the official said. A former official said one of the reasons for making senior officials principally responsible for nominating Americans for the target list was to "protect" the president. Officials confirmed that a second American, Samir Khan, was killed in the drone attack that killed Awlaki. Khan had served as editor of Inspire, a glossy English-language magazine used by AQAP as a propaganda and recruitment vehicle. But rather than being specifically targeted by drone operators, Khan was in the wrong place at the wrong time, officials said. Ruppersberger appeared to confirm that, saying Khan's death was "collateral," meaning he was not an intentional target of the drone strike. When the name of a foreign, rather than American, militant is added to targeting lists, the decision is made within the intelligence community and normally does not require approval by high-level NSC officials. 'FROM INSPIRATIONAL TO OPERATIONAL' Officials said Awlaki, whose fierce sermons were widely circulated on English-language militant websites, was targeted because Washington accumulated information his role in AQAP had gone "from inspirational to operational." That meant that instead of just propagandizing in favor of al Qaeda objectives, Awlaki allegedly began to participate directly in plots against American targets. "Let me underscore, Awlaki is no mere messenger but someone integrally involved in lethal terrorist activities," Daniel Benjamin, top counterterrorism official at the State Department, warned last spring. The Obama administration has not made public an accounting of the classified evidence that Awlaki was operationally involved in planning terrorist attacks. But officials acknowledged that some of the intelligence purporting to show Awlaki's hands-on role in plotting attacks was patchy. For instance, one plot in which authorities have said Awlaki was involved Nigerian-born Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, accused of trying to blow up a Detroit-bound U.S. airliner on Christmas Day 2009 with a bomb hidden in his underpants. There is no doubt Abdulmutallab was an admirer or follower of Awlaki, since he admitted that to U.S. investigators. When he appeared in a Detroit courtroom earlier this week for the start of his trial on bomb-plot charges, he proclaimed, "Anwar is alive." But at the time the White House was considering putting Awlaki on the U.S. target list, intelligence connecting Awlaki specifically to Abdulmutallab and his alleged bomb plot was partial. Officials said at the time the United States had voice intercepts involving a phone known to have been used by Awlaki and someone who they believed, but were not positive, was Abdulmutallab. Awlaki was also implicated in a case in which a British Airways employee was imprisoned for plotting to blow up a U.S.-bound plane. E-mails retrieved by authorities from the employee's computer showed what an investigator described as " operational contact" between Britain and Yemen. Authorities believe the contacts were mainly between the U.K.-based suspect and his brother. But there was a strong suspicion Awlaki was at the brother's side when the messages were dispatched. British media reported that in one message, the person on the Yemeni end supposedly said, "Our highest priority is the US ... With the people you have, is it possible to get a package or a person with a package on board a flight heading to the US?" U.S. officials contrast intelligence suggesting Awlaki's involvement in specific plots with the activities of Adam Gadahn, an American citizen who became a principal English-language propagandist for the core al Qaeda network formerly led by Osama bin Laden. While Gadahn appeared in angry videos calling for attacks on the United States, officials said he had not been specifically targeted for capture or killing by U.S. forces because he was regarded as a loudmouth not directly involved in plotting attacks.
Poster Comment: Who are these people. Someone get their names and we will make our own little list.
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#23. To: Badeye (#22)
Thanks Boofer...DumbDubv$43 DID do it and the media cheered him...
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
I listen to what people say. Remember the report entitled "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment" the Obama administration issued? They TOLD us who their target is: DHS/I&A assesses that lone wolves and small terrorist cells embracing violent rightwing extremist ideology are the most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States. Not al Qaeda, but "right-wing" extremists". That is who this administration is really worried about. Who do they mean by that? Here is what the report says: People who express dissenting political opinions about the economic downturn on the Internet Rightwing extremist chatter on the Internet continues to focus on the economy, the perceived loss of U.S. jobs in the manufacturing and construction sectors, and home foreclosures... People who oppose Obama's programs and policies Rightwing extremists are harnessing this historical election as a recruitment tool. Many rightwing extremists are antagonistic toward the new presidential administration and its perceived stance on a range of issues, including immigration and citizenship, the expansion of social programs to minorities, and restrictions on firearms... People who oppose illegal immigration DHS/I&A assesses that rightwing extremist groups’ frustration over a perceived lack of government action on illegal immigration has the potential to incite individuals or small groups toward violence... People who support the Second Amendment Many rightwing extremist groups perceive recent gun control legislation as a threat to their right to bear arms and in response have increased weapons and ammunition stockpiling, as well as renewed participation in paramilitary training exercises. Such activity, combined with a heightened level of extremist paranoia, has the potential to facilitate criminal activity and violence. People who are concerned with outsourcing jobs overseas Rightwing extremist views bemoan the decline of U.S. stature and have recently focused on themes such as the loss of U.S. manufacturing capability to China and India, Russia’s control of energy resources and use of these to pressure other countries, and China’s investment in U.S. real estate and corporations as a part of subversion strategy. Military veterans DHS/I&A assesses that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat. The FBI noted in a 2008 report... that some returning military veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have joined extremist groups. ----- History has demonstrated what the lunatic left does with their enemies.
Nice to know you are against racial profiling...
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
DHS/I&A assesses that lone wolves and small terrorist cells embracing violent rightwing extremist ideology are the most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States. Not al Qaeda, but "right-wing" extremists". That is who this administration is really worried about. EXCELLENT post in its entirety, JW. As per your informative post, the stated enemies list of 0bama and Holder, branded "terrorists": People who express dissenting political opinions about the economic downturn on the Internet People who oppose Obama's programs and policies People who oppose illegal immigration People who support the Second Amendment People who are concerned with outsourcing jobs overseas Military veterans I'm sure LF's resient circle-jerk of Leftist 0bama-bots are NOT concerned by this blatant threat and un-constitution, dictatorial abuse of power, but instead APPLAUD it.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Are these those death panels Palin was talking about?
Sorry to have disturbed Day 2 of your bender, Fred. As per your usual deeeeply contemplated and provocative question, the answer is "No." Cheers.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
That is so unlike you LIbby...lying about something. First off, that "list" as you call, came from DHS not DOJ. Secondly, it is nothing more than racial profiling of potential recruits to right wing terrorist groups. You're FOR racial profiling aren't you?
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
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And all of this was initiated and most of the info gathered....... surprise surprise........ by the Bush administration. Note the date on the military category... 2008... even someone as gullible as you should have been able to figure it out.
DHS/I&A assesses that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat. The FBI noted in a 2008 report... that some returning military veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have joined extremist groups. So 2008 means nothing to you..... that figures.
Yep, and I gain recognition via this list multiple times from the Owe-bama administration. Gee, why don't I like this POTUS.....
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Lone wolf? Figured that you have no friends...
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
Define what the FBI is calling 'extremist groups' ming. Then consider what they did to Randy Weaver and his son, and his wife.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
So you're claiming 0bama and his inner-cabal of Commies and Idi Aminites had NOTHING to do with it? Only Nappy pulled the list of out her azz? LOL! They're a TEAM! Secondly, it is nothing more than racial profiling of potential recruits to right wing terrorist groups. You're FOR racial profiling aren't you? God knows how the US has been staving off all those "right wing" threats to the WTC and the Pentagon and DC Snipers and Ft. Hood slaughters from within all those right-wing Mosques....right, DUMMY? Uh...Never mind. Of course I endorse racial profiling - that's exactly how law enforcement and profiling of ALL sorts works instead of wasting assets and shaking down white grammas and nuns at airports to appease PC fluffers like you.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Then consider what they did to Randy Weaver and his son, and his wife. I was commenting on the 2008 date in case you still can't read, so there is no need for you to misconstrue my post.
Gee, why don't I like this POTUS..... But...but...According to war, ONLY Nappy was responsible for the enemies list....er I mean "terrorist list." 0bama and Holder actually loooove their people...er I mean hate da white debil slave-holder descendants. And anyway, 0bama has been much too busy vacationing, golfing and eating ice cream cones with Reggie Love to be bothered hatin' on Whitey, vets, conservatives, anti-baby killers, gun owners, and peeps who opposed a pro-Muzzie/Commie dictatorship.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
I'll take 'Why a filter is a good thing in this forum!' for $2,000 Alex....
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
I'm telling you that this was something that had begun under the previous administration's DHS and was completed in early 2009 by the subsequent administration. You're too hung up on hating those niggers who hate America to care. God knows how the US has been staving off all those "right wing" threats to the WTC and the Pentagon and DC Snipers and Ft. Hood slaughters from within all those right-wing Mosques....right, DUMMY? Uh...Never mind. Or FBI buildings...or abortion clinics...or abortion providers...or... Oh...wait...
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
I'll take "Go Fuck Yourself Boofer" and wage all of it on the Daily Double... /twit
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
And there was nothing "alleged" about his AQ association. He was AQ. In point of fact he was not a combatant. In point of fact, he was an American citizen. In point of fact, the U.S. Constitution is not waived at the whim of a secret star chamber. If this were lawful, how many people could be put on the secret kill list? Where does the authority end? Does a U.S. citizen have fewer protections than an illegal alien? Mathews v. Diaz, 426 U.S. 67 (1976), No. 73-1046, at 77 From the Opinion of the Court by Justice Stevens.
The US is engaged in an authorized military action against Al Qaeda. That is indisuputable. It would, therefore, stand the laws and resolutions regarding armed conflict to disregard any member of an enemy organization who has direct knowledge of its terrorist operations and who also encourages those same operations to be regarded as a civilian rather than some form of combatant. It not only strains credulity of the laws of war but of common sense as well.
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
The authority "ends" where the military value of the target or the military advantage gained by the killing has no significant measurement.
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
Do this mean you justify Holder and 0bama's hostility and assault of Whitey as "reparation" for slavery? Or "justification" is ANY legit sense? Or FBI buildings...or abortion clinics...or abortion providers...or...Oh...wait... "Wait" for what? You to make a LEGIT point? LOL! You've cited McVeigh as an example of "right wing"?? Bwaaahaa! CLUE-LESS. And as though THAT example dovetails with 9/11? OR even the original Muslim take-down of the WTC back in 1993? And then you have the balls to cite your desperate examples of "right wing terrorism" because of an anomalous assault of a professional baby killer to supposedly counter-balance the DC Sniper terrorism and murders after 9/11, AND the 50-odd shootings at Ft. Hood by a Muslim "Captain"? Not the mention the Muzzie member of the US Army who rolled a grenade into a tent in Iraq? Read it and weep: FAIL, war. The REAL Terrorists remain Muslims, yet you, Nappy, 0bama and Holder put Whitey of the fake "terrorist" list. Some of us know who the real "terrorists" are.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Generally, given their particular racial demographic, that is hardly a unique position. That said, the only public position that Obama has taken on reparations is to oppose them: SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders. The man with a serious chance to become the nation's first black president argues that government should instead combat the legacy of slavery by improving schools, health care and the economy for all. "I have said in the past _ and I'll repeat again _ that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed," the Illinois Democrat said recently. As for Holder, he's entitled to his opinion. He's in no position to affect them. Again, that said, I've neother heard nor read any opinion of Holder's that could be characterized as support for them. Do you have any contrary information that would support your above statement? Ot is it you and that "nigger" hang-up thing that you have again..."They "be" black so they "be" for."? Wait" for what? You to make a LEGIT point? LOL! You've cited McVeigh as an example of "right wing"?? Bwaaahaa! CLUE-LESS. And as though THAT example dovetails with 9/11? OR even the original Muslim take-down of the WTC back in 1993? First off, there is no such thing as "left wing" religious fanaticism. Secondly, YOU made the claim that ALL violence was left wing in nature. McVeigh was hardly a left winger. The people responsible for violence against abortion clinics and providers are hardly left wingers. Don't blame me for your reality issues.
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
0bama's anomalous and purely political words of supposed opposition to reparations contradict his deeds and that of his administration. Generally, given their [Holder and 0bama] particular racial demographic, that [reparations] is hardly a unique position. Well, at least now we have an admission of the truth. Too bad reparations is a VIOLATION of civil rights of Whitey and UN-constitutional NOR has it been legislated through We The People. Oddly enough, that hasn't stopped the goob from enforcing it as we have noted by unequal application of the law though Affirmative Action, quotas, and illegal "hate crimes" legislation. And then we have the black farmers recently receiving billions of dollars for something that happened to others BY others 150 years ago? The truth of the matter is the black Chief Executive of the US and his black Attorney General are blatantly encouraging and undermining several civil rights laws and abusing the rights of White America with impunity.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
NOT when that opinion becomes policy. Do you have any contrary information that would support your above statement? Ot is it you and that "nigger" hang-up thing that you have again..."They "be" black so they "be" for."? You mean you have NO idea Holder hates Whitey? You mean you never heard him refer to the indicted Black Panthers as "my people"? Or refer to white people a "cowards" on the issue of race (yeah, ironically)? War, I can't make you take off your blinders.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Sure there is; Statist Worship IS "religious fanaticism." But it is a bi-partisan cult as both you and yukon prove every day. Secondly, YOU made the claim that ALL violence was left wing in nature. McVeigh was hardly a left winger. The people responsible for violence against abortion clinics and providers are hardly left wingers. All? Ok, only 95% of the violence is left-wing. McVeigh was NOT "right-wing"; He was an anarchist and reportedly a tool of Muslim extremists (that's right - the OKC "investigation" was sloppy, suspect and bogus.) The extermination of baby-killers and the eradication of their murder clinics is not remotely the security problem organized Muslim terrorism is. Don't try to draw an equivalent in any sense - it doesn't work.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Feel free to cite the numerous examples required to vaildate the above statement. Thanks. Too bad reparations is [sic] a VIOLATION of civil rights of Whitey [sic] and UN-constitutional I agree. There is a proscription on Bill of Attainders and Forfeiture of Blood. NOR has it been legislated through We The People. Um...okay...and? and illegal "hate crimes" legislation. "Hate crimes" statutes are not "illegal". There is no legal estoppel to passing such laws. And then we have the black farmers recently receiving billions of dollars for something that happened to others BY others 150 years ago? Uh...no...a) those claims are contemporary to the late 20th and early 21st century b) it wasn't "billions" it was $1.25 billion and c) included American aboriginals. The truth of the matter is the black Chief Executive of the US and his black Attorney General are blatantly encouraging and undermining several civil rights laws and abusing the rights of White America with impunity. Goddam those mortherfucking niggers, anyway...
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
The English language works quite well on its own. It doesn't need your political and racially based distortions. Thanks, All? Ok, only 95% of the violence is left-wing. Bullshit. McVeigh was NOT "right-wing"; He was an anarchist and reportedly a tool of Muslim extremists (that's right - the OKC "investigation" was sloppy, suspect and bogus.) A) Bullshit that he wasn;t right wing. The extermination of baby-killers and the eradication of their murder clinics is not remotely the security problem Muslim terrorism is. Don't try to draw an equivalent in any sense - it doesn't work. It's in in the quantity of death not the death itself. Got it.
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
Show me where the current policy of the Department of Justice of the United States of America is that the descendants of slaves should be paid reparations for the ancestors' slavery. Thanks.
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
We are...and you've provided plenty example of it on this thread alone. Blacks are among us Libby. Time you got used to it.
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
Blacks are among us Libby. Time you got used to it. Since Libby loves those pissing matches, I would wager most blacks have a majority of their ancestors that were in this hemisphere waaaaaaay before most of Libby's were.
Thanks. If you're gonna play dopey, it does work, but I just don't give a sh*t, Counselour. My statement is "validated" every single frickin' day by your racist mofo hero's words and actions - not that I expect you to admit this to be the case. And then there are his words admitted in his Kenyan version of 'Mein Kampf' books authored by his pal, by Bill Ayers. As a liberal/progressive, should legal discrimination - AA programs, set-asides and quotas - be scrapped? And what of the select enforcement of the law as per "hate crimes"? Exactly how does IT confer "equal protection" under the law? With respect to that $1.25 BILLION dollars to black farmers (and a few Indians ALREADY receiving reparations through casino ownership, "nation" subsidies, etc....WHY again is it legal to shake-down 5th gen Whitey? Goddam those mortherfucking niggers, anyway... You spelled "motherf*cker" wrong. BOO!
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Translated: I really don't have any examples...I just like to rant on about niggers. With respect to that $1.25 BILLION dollars to black farmers (and a few Indians ALREADY receiving reparations through casino ownership, "nation" subsidies, etc....WHY again is it legal to shake-down 5th gen Whitey? The claims derive from 1980's and 1990's Ag Department loan guarantees that were denied to black farmers on the basis of race. Now, if you believe that we are 5 generations removed from 1980...
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
Uh, excuse me; WHAT is it with your recent obsession with urine?? I would wager most blacks have a majority of their ancestors that were in this hemisphere waaaaaaay before most of Libby's were. That is relevant WHY exactly, Urine Queen? My ancestors were building grand cities and constructing hot tubs at the time of Christ. Meanwhile, yours were at the time still bathing in the same mud-hole they peed in. Hence your current genetic obsession.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
You're from the Far East?
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
Re-translated: "Since I worship at the Altar of My 0bama-god (see my tagline and unsigned idol photo), I will shut my eyes, close my ears, and cover my yapper cuz I am blind, deaf and dumb with respect to the sins of my...hero/idol/god." The claims derive from 1980's and 1990's Ag Department loan guarantees that were denied to black farmers on the basis of race. And "reparations" and Holder's/0bama's racist regime aren't part of that cozy equation? Geez....LOL. I didn't receive a college scholarship or job or a couple of loans based on MY race (too white) - where is MY portion of that $1,250,000,000??
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Lol, chyeah - historical Chinese technological advancements and accomplishments compare with the Roman Empire? That is IF you believe the anti-Euro history revisionists of Leftist academia. And you do. This isn't even an arguable point (though we know you'll do your best.)
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
It doesn't mean they need to remain on your socialist Dim plantation....does it? Btw - get used to blacks LEAVING the plantation without calling them "Uncle Tom."
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
See my note above and your efforts to "improve" upon the English language. The fact is, I don't put up with your bullshit that is rooted in your hatred for the man's skin. Your response is to cover up your embarrasment by lashing out with nonsense typical of the above. And "reparations" and Holder's/0bama's racist regime aren't part of that cozy equation? The lawsuit pre-dates them taking office, moron, and was close to settlement when DumbDub$43 left office. If you'd get them "goddam niggers" off of what's left of your what wasn't a very big brain to begin with then you'd know this. I'm done giving you reason to perpetuate your "I hate niggers" campaign, Libby. If you want to discuss your race based frustrations...4um is always looking for traffic. You give me a "whitey" and other such race nonsense in each and every one of your replies. It's old and now over. If you want to discuss issues...leave race out of it. If you can't...see ya...
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
Just because you, Bubba, the leftist media, and the rest of the Church of Goob propagandists described McVeigh as a "right-winger" for political theater doesn't make it true. Oh...McVeigh was an atheist. Like YOU. "NOT a "Christian" as you propagandists tried to foist upon the pods. And fancy that atheists weren't tabbed "terrorists. Oh, and again, McVeigh above all else was an anarchist. Moreover, it is duly noted that you are unable to support your bogus claim that there is ANY equivalent between your cited example of "terrorists" (abortion clinic extermination), and mine (stated, organized Muslim mass murder and systemic terrorism." "It's in in the quantity of death not the death itself" you say? So 1 = 1000 to you? GOT IT. Nice moral equivocation.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
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#24. To: A K A Stone, nolu chan, liberator, badeye (#0)
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Honest Socialism
#25. To: jwpegler (#24)
#26. To: jwpegler (#24)
They TOLD us who their target is:
#27. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#28. To: Fred Mertz, A K A Stone (#27)
Are these those death panels Palin was talking about?
#29. To: Fred Mertz (#27)
As per your informative post, the stated enemies list of 0bama and Holder, branded "terrorists":
#30. To: Liberator (#29)
#31. To: jwpegler (#24)
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They TOLD us who their target is: ..........
#32. To: Liberator (#26)
Military veterans
#33. To: jwpegler (#24)
#34. To: Badeye (#33)
Yep, and I gain recognition via this list multiple times from the Owe-bama administration.
#35. To: mininggold (#32)
The FBI noted in a 2008 report... that some returning military veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have joined extremist groups.
#36. To: war (#29)
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First off, that "list" as you call, came from DHS not DOJ.
#37. To: Badeye (#35)
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Define what the FBI is calling 'extremist groups' ming.
#38. To: Badeye, jwpegler, war (#33)
Yep, and I gain recognition via this list multiple times from the Owe-bama administration.
#39. To: Liberator (#38)
#40. To: Liberator (#36)
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So you're claiming 0bama and his inner-cabal of Commies and Idi Aminites had NOTHING to do with it? Only Nappy pulled the list of out her azz? LOL! They're a TEAM!
#41. To: Badeye (#39)
#42. To: war, A K A Stone (#2)
In point of fact, an enemy combatant who happened to be a citizen was targeted.
There are literally millions of aliens within the jurisdiction of the United States. The Fifth Amendment, as well as the Fourteenth Amendment, protects every one of these persons from deprivation of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. Wong Yang Sung v. McGrath, 339 U. S. 33, 339 U. S. 48-51; Wong Wing v. United States, 163 U. S. 228, 163 U. S. 238; see Russian Fleet v. United States, 282 U. S. 481, 282 U. S. 489. Even one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection. Wong Yang Sung, supra; Wong Wing, supra.
#43. To: nolu chan (#42)
(Edited)
In point of fact he was not a combatant.
#44. To: nolu chan (#42)
If this were lawful, how many people could be put on the secret kill list? Where does the authority end?
#45. To: war (#40)
(Edited)
You're too hung up on hating those niggers who hate America to care.
God knows how the US has been staving off all those "right wing" threats to the WTC and the Pentagon and DC Snipers and Ft. Hood slaughters from within all those right-wing Mosques....right, DUMMY? Uh...Never mind.
#46. To: Liberator (#45)
Do this mean you justify Holder and 0bama's hostility and assault of Whitey as "reparation" for slavery?
#47. To: war (#46)
#48. To: war (#46)
As for Holder, he's entitled to his opinion.
#49. To: war (#46)
(Edited)
First off, there is no such thing as "left wing" religious fanaticism.
#50. To: Liberator (#47)
0bama's anomalous and purely political words of supposed opposition to reparations contradict his deeds and that of his administration.
#51. To: Liberator (#49)
(Edited)
Sure there is; Statist Worship IS "religious fanaticism." But it is a bi-partisan cult as both you and yukon prove every day.
Noah Webster
B) As was pointed out, religious extremism is inherently right wing in nature.
#52. To: Liberator (#48)
NOT when that opinion becomes policy.
#53. To: Liberator (#48)
Or refer to white people a "cowards" on the issue of race
#54. To: war, Liberator (#53)
We are...and you've provided plenty example of it on this thread alone.
#55. To: war (#50)
Feel free to cite the numerous examples required to vaildate the above statement.
#56. To: Liberator (#55)
If you're gonna play dopey, it does work, but I just don't give a sh*t, Counselour. My statement is "validated" every single frickin' day by your racist mofo hero's words and actions - not that I expect you to admit this to be the case. And then there are his words admitted in his Kenyan version of 'Mein Kampf' books authored by his pal, by Bill Ayers.
#57. To: mininggold (#54)
Since Libby loves those pissing matches....
#58. To: Liberator (#57)
My ancestors were building grand cities and constructing hot tubs at the time of Christ.
#59. To: war (#56)
Translated: I really don't have any examples...
#60. To: war (#58)
You're from the Far East?
#61. To: war (#53)
Blacks are among us Libby. Time you got used to it.
#62. To: Liberator (#59)
Re-translated: "Since I worship at the Altar of My 0bama-god (see my tagline and unsigned idol photo), I will shut my eyes, close my ears, and cover my yapper cuz I am blind, deaf and dumb with respect to the sins of my...hero/idol/god."
#63. To: war (#51)
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