#24. To: Badeye, LF's Liberal-Left Hypocrites (#1)
Thank God Owe-bama didn't use non lethal waterboarding, right Liberals?
rotflmao.
* Assassinating terrorists and murdering Libyan civilians isn't a violation of "civil rights," but waterboarding is.
* Blowing up Libyan cities and towns and murdering thousands of their people isn't a violation of civil rights, but "waterboarding" is scandalous, shameful front page news for years.
*0bama starting wars in Libya and Yemen while reneging on his promise to stop the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq is honorable behavior of a Nobel Peace Prize winner, yet it's Bush and Cheney who are the "War Criminals."
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The most unprincipled hypocrites/closet fascists/pathological liars in God's Creation: Liberal/Leftists
Assassinating terrorists and murdering Libyan civilians isn't a violation of "civil rights," but waterboarding is.
As has been pointed out before, the law recognizes a bifurcation of what occurs on a battlefield and what occurs in custody. The issue was never whether the capture of a combatant was legal. It was what DumbDubv43 tried to get away with AFTERWARD that was the issue. The SCOTUS agreed, btw.
I challenge you to find any post of mine in which my advocacy of this fact changed in Janiary of 2009.
0bama starting wars in Libya and Yemen while reneging on his promise to stop the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq is honorable behavior of a Nobel Peace Prize winner, yet it's Bush and Cheney who are the "War Criminals."
First off, Obama never promised to stop the war in Afghanistan. He did promise to escalate it. Secondly, he has wound down and continues to wind down the combat presence in Iraq.
As has been pointed out before, the law recognizes a bifurcation of what occurs on a battlefield and what occurs in custody. The issue was never whether the capture of a combatant was legal. It was what DumbDubv43 tried to get away with AFTERWARD that was the issue. The SCOTUS agreed, btw.
So the lesson and new 0bama policy here and in the case of the apprehended bin Laden who was in custody for a minute/several seconds obviously is: EXECUTE. TAKE NO PRISONERS.
Yes, much neater, eh?
Btw, the information Bush's interrogators arguably "got away with" saved innumerable American lives. Meanwhile NO lives are lost waterboarding process.
First off, Obama never promised to stop the war in Afghanistan. He did promise to escalate it. Secondly, he has wound down and continues to wind down the combat presence in Iraq.
Allow me to amend your perception of the events; 0bama started TWO unnecessary wars in Libya and Yemen that have NO bearing on US security. CAN YOU DEFEND THEM?? How the hell do you defend these actions by King 0bama?:
- Started a covert, drone war in Yemen - Escalated the proxy war in Somalia - Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan - Maintained the military occupation of Iraq - Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan
Your Nobel Peace (cough, hack) Prize recipient 0bama is a war-mongering HAWK. Why can't you admit it?
Chuckles...been awhile since I've seen the Old Libby Two Step - brought to you by Novartis makers of Ritalin. You are all over the map here. Libby.
So the lesson and new 0bama policy here and in the case of the apprehended bin Laden who was in custody for a minute/several seconds obviously is: EXECUTE. TAKE NO PRISONERS.
The order to kill Bin Laden was issued by Billl Clinton, the same POTUS you have previously taken to task for NOT having dealt with Bin Laden when he was in office.
So which one do YOU want it...Bin Laden alive or dead?
And since Bin Laden was a clearly recognizable figure as a both a combatant and a command and control figure of other combatants, he was clearly subject to a "battlefield" dispensation no matter where he was. We killed Yamamoto and have targeted other military leaders throughout history.
I do not lose one half wink of sleep nor do I fear for the erosion of the USCON because Bin Laden was splashed in his bed clothes and then got pissed on by some SEALS and Marines - and probably a few hundred of their drivers - and then kicked overboard to have his carcass consumed by whatever cared to eat it.
It goes the same for that that asshole in Yemen. A clear combatant as well as the command and control of other combatants who CLEARLY - despite your contrary myopia - would attack US citizens and interests whereever they could be engaged.
Allow me to amend your perception of the events; 0bama started TWO unnecessary wars in Libya and Yemen that have NO bearing on US security. CAN YOU DEFEND THEM?? How the hell do you defend these actions by King 0bama?:
Alow me to re-focus your attention on the context of my answer which was you incorrectly stating that Obama promised to "wind down" Afghanistan which was 100% bullshit.
I will focus this strategy on five goals essential to making America safer: ending the war in Iraq responsibly; finishing the fight against Al Qaeda and the Taliban; securing all nuclear weapons and materials from terrorists and rogue states; achieving true energy security; and rebuilding our alliances to meet the challenges of the 21st century.
Now is the time for a responsible redeployment of our combat troops that pushes Iraq’s leaders toward a political solution, rebuilds our military, and refocuses on Afghanistan and our broader security interests.
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Obama did not start the war in Libya or Yemen.
A) Khaddafy has killed US citizens and thumbed his nose in allowing the Lockerbie bombers to be brought to US justice.
B) The Libya campaign was initiated by NATO and pushed for by France.
C) The "war" in Yemen is targeted against Al Qeada and was started by DumbDubv43.
Chuckles...been awhile since I've seen the Old Libby Two Step - brought to you by Novartis makers of Ritalin. You are all over the map here. Libby.
LOL - I laughed. And I'm glad I provide you a few chuckles because you certainly entertain me....but also disappoint me. For some reason I keep expecting the day when you'll see all though the bullsh*t.
The order to kill Bin Laden was issued by Billl Clinton, the same POTUS you have previously taken to task for NOT having dealt with Bin Laden when he was in office.
I can tell Bubba took his own order seriously.....NOT. Bubba turned DOWN the Sudanese goob when they had bin Laden dead to rights - something about whether he could do it "legally." *snicker* Where the hell have you been??
So which one do YOU want it...Bin Laden alive or dead?
If there's ANY one who needed to be interrogated and milked for information, it was bin Laden. HELLO.
Since Bin Laden was a clearly recognizable figure as a both a combatant and a command and control figure of other combatants, he was clearly subject to a "battlefield" dispensation no matter where he was. We killed Yamamoto and have targeted other military leaders throughout history.
The goobermint counts on you to obediently buy this fairy tale etal. Yes, bin Laden was "clearly recognizable" as the star boogeyman for "the war on terror."
I do not lose one half wink of sleep nor do I fear for the erosion of the USCON because Bin Laden was splashed in his bed clothes and then got pissed on by some SEALS and Marines - and probably a few hundred of their drivers - and then kicked overboard to have his carcass consumed by whatever cared to eat it.
I DO lose a LOT of sleep over the erosion of USCON on a myriad of issues - the least of which is "waterboarding" or bin Laden. For some reason you believe the muddled 0bama/Dem version of bin Laden's demise...while giving NO thought and contemplation to the circumstances of the suspicious Sp Ops helicopter murders. Your boy is dirty, war.
Serious question: WHAT the hell are we doing in A-Stan? Iraq? Yemen? Libya? Are you in agreement with McCain when he suggests we remain in the Middle East fighting "terrorism" for the next one hundred years?
Obama did not start the war in Libya or Yemen.
HUH?? Come on...lol.
A) Khaddafy has killed US citizens and thumbed his nose in allowing the Lockerbie bombers to be brought to US justice.
Reagan sent his message. but tell me you're NOT going back to 1986....to justify bombing the hell out of Libyan civilians and remove Khaddafy. Geez...lol
B) The Libya campaign was initiated by NATO and pushed for by France.
NATO is overwhelmingly a US-run military arm of the UN. And so were the bombings and murders of Libyan civilians. Blaming France is lame...but pray tell - what IS THE REASON again??
C) The "war" in Yemen is targeted against Al Qeada.
Al Qaeda is all over the Middle East. Like a virus. Who TF do you think the US criminal war party is that they can unilaterally bomb the sh*t out of sovereign nations over claims of "Al Qaeda"? As though Al Qaeda is the one and only radical Muslim terrorist group that hates the US?
My God - You've been channeling both Keith Olbermann AND Dick Cheney today. WAKE UP!
I can tell Bubba took his own order seriously.....NOT. Bubba turned DOWN the Sudanese goob when they had bin Laden dead to rights - something about whether he could do it "legally." *snicker* Where the hell have you been??
Thanks for proving me correct. You want it both ways. Clinton should have killed him but Obama should not have.
I DO lose a LOT of sleep over the erosion of USCON on a myriad of issues - the least of which is "waterboarding" or bin Laden. For some reason you believe the muddled 0bama/Dem version of bin Laden's demise...
You don't lose sleep over egregious violations of not only the 8th amendment but international protocols that the US pushed to have created and, at times, have pushed to have enforced and, bottom line, IS THE STATUTORY LAW OF THE US? Would you lose sleep over those same techniques being used on US soldiers?
...while giving NO thought and contemplation to the circumstances of the suspicious Sp Ops helicopter murders. Your boy is dirty, war.
First off, he's not my "boy", Orval...he's my President. I never denied DumbDubv43 that respect and never will.
Secondly, I have no idea what that delusional rant is supposed to mean.
NATO is overwhelmingly a US-run military arm of the UN. And so were the bombings and murders of Libyan civilians. Blaming France is lame...but pray tell - what IS THE REASON again??
The US is a signatory to the UN Charter/Treaty and therefore that Treaty is the Supreme Law of the Land as is the NATO Charter. And it was France that pushed for the authorization to use force in the UNSC.
Just because you don't like an action, it doesn't give you license to change the history, facts and circumstances of that action.
You want it both ways. Clinton should have killed him but Obama should not have.
Hold on Baba-booey. You asserted that "the order to kill Bin Laden was issued by Billl Clinton." If that was so, why wasn't he offed before9/11?
The real history: Bubba Clinton could have taken out bin Laden but did NOT.
You don't lose sleep over egregious violations of not only the 8th amendment but international protocols that the US pushed to have created and, at times, have pushed to have enforced and, bottom line, IS THE STATUTORY LAW OF THE US? Would you lose sleep over those same techniques being used on US soldiers?
Be consistent and share my lost sleep over multiple violations of several US constitutional violations and superseding US law for international protocols - not just the ones that make Dubya look bad and your boy 0bama look like he's merely following suit.
First off, he's not my "boy", Orval...he's my President.
He's apparently both AND your hero. This is a guy whose repeated, ill-advised amateurish policies and "leadership" have completely f**ked up and undermined this nation economically and socially, and yet you refuse to criticize him.
I never denied DumbDubv43 that respect and never will.
Neither one is worthy of respect as long as they continue to disrespect the will of the people and letter of the US constitution. They are both traitors.
The US is a signatory to the UN Charter/Treaty and therefore that Treaty is the Supreme Law of the Land as is the NATO Charter. And it was France that pushed for the authorization to use force in the UNSC.
France's supposed sign-off on bombing the sh*t out of Libya still doesn't explain why the US military is used as a tool of mass destruction in libya OR explain why the UN Charter/Treaty OR NATO's bombing is justifiable in this case.
Just because you don't like an action, it doesn't give you license to change the history, facts and circumstances of that action.
I not only dislike bombing innocent human beings and a sovereign nation, I abhor the fake reasons given by an international consortium to use MY taxes and resources to kill, maim and occupy people who do not threaten my security or that of my country.
Hold on Baba-booey. You asserted that "the order to kill Bin Laden was issued by Billl Clinton." If that was so, why wasn't he offed before9/11?
The real history: Bubba Clinton could have taken out bin Laden but did NOT.
As told in right wing fairy tales...suuuuure.
Be consistent and share my lost sleep over multiple violations of several US constitutional violations and superseding US law for international protocols - not just the ones that make Dubya look bad...
International protocols are "law". Targeting combatants is most certainly within those protocols. Again, this is an issue that you want both sides. You wanted Clinton to view terrorist acts for that they were - acts of war - and now that Obama has and is, you want them to treat them as criminal violations. Again, the law is clear, the difference between engaging an enemy in battle versus his treatment in custody are TWO DIFFERENT legal issues. And, again, the SCOTUS has agreed with me thoughout the history of the US.
He's apparently both AND your hero. This is a guy whose repeated, ill- advised amateurish policies and "leadership" have completely f**ked up and undermined this nation economically and socially, and yet you refuse to criticize him.
Socially?!? Oh Libby...you make it too freakin' easy.
So Obama is uppity...well...as Sebastian pointed out on another thread...HALF uppity...
France's supposed sign-off on bombing...
There was nothing "supposed" about it whatsoever. Sarkozy to the lead on this issue. He and Camercn just visited there a couple of weeks ago.
They were greeted as Liberators by the way...
I abhor the fake reasons given by an international consortium to use MY taxes and resources to kill, maim and occupy people who do not threaten my security or that of my country. t
Believing that Khaddafy and AQ are nice neighbors is...dumb.
Me: "The real history: Bubba Clinton could have taken out bin Laden but did NOT."
As told in right wing fairy tales...suuuuure.
Even Bubba Clinton admitted so in an interview. Bubba let Osama be. Was HE telling "right wing fairy tales" too?? LOL - you're frickin' delusional.
International protocols are "law".
So international law supersedes US law and the US Constitution? Yeah, you must be awfully disturbed by this development. Illegal "laws" are NOT constitutional.
You wanted Clinton to view terrorist acts for that they were - acts of war - and now that Obama has and is, you want them to treat them as criminal violations.
Bubba "ordered" jacksquat; No, he actually "ordered" bin Laden to L-I-V-E another day and bomb NYC and DC on 9/11 (if we're to believe he actually "masterminded" 9/11.) However, this is just one point; Bin Laden has technically not ever committed an "act of war" because he's supposed just a member of a Muslim cult - not the leader of a nation or sovereignty.
That said, as a Saudi Arabian (along with 14 other 9/11 participants), shouldn't this so-called "war on terror" be waged against Saudi Arabia? They sponsored/enabled terrorist training camps.
Moreover, why were 0bama and Holder so insistent two years ago in holding "terrorist" trials in NYC but NOT for 0bama and this latest Al Qaeda stooge?? Man, you just want it ANY way that exonerated 0bama, Bubba, and the Dems for their hypocrisy, lies, and war mongering.
Socially?!? Oh Libby...you make it too freakin' easy.
Uh, yeah. "Get in their face"....referring to whitey at a Hispanic conference as "your enemies", and....READ MY TAGLINE, dum-dum. Who's making this "easy"?? lol, chyeah. 0bama IS a damn racist and a damn class warfare sh*t-stirrer.
So Obama is uppity...well...as Sebastian pointed out on another thread...HALF uppity...
Oh, my bad - 0bama's just a humble Nobel Peace Prize winner and uniter....NOT.
Your HERO: An arrogant f**ker and yes, uppity Commie community organizer who takes vacations as America burns - then tells us all to "sacrifice" while giving us the middle finger. He just happened to have attended a black separatist church for 20 years too. YOU are totally delusional, war.
There was nothing "supposed" about it whatsoever. Sarkozy to the lead on this issue. He and Camercn just visited there a couple of weeks ago.
Got a reason for the NATO bombing yet? (I'm still waiting for justification)
They [the bombers and fighter aircraft] were greeted as Liberators by the way...
LOL - are you shot-gunning some awesome weed today?? Dude - I had NO idea you were such a leftist-CNN/NYT sponge of obvious propaganda! "Liberators" - that sounds like the same crap the neocons fed us back in 2003 with respect to the expectations Iraqs. NATO is backing Muslim extremists in Libya.
Believing that Khaddafy and AQ are nice neighbors is...dumb.
No sh*t....but Khaddafy is NOT to be confused with AQ. Khaddafy did not declare war on the US.
Its a very delusional world the dwarf lives in. By the end of this thread, he'll be citing Clinton be found to have perjured himself to show he, the dwarf, was correct all along........lmao
Oh, he [Bubba] was absolutely lying [during a interview]!
rotflmao.
That's just it, isn't it? The truth has always been relative with that guy. Even Dems know not EVER to believe him.
Remember this?
Democrat Bob Kerrey: “Clinton's an unusually good liar.
Its a very delusional world the dwarf lives in. By the end of this thread, he'll be citing Clinton be found to have perjured himself to show he, the dwarf, was correct all along........lmao
I don't get why war continues to dig the hole deeper and wider. Defending Bubba on the issue of credibility and veracity AND with respect to Bubba's chance at nailing Osama is a losing proposition.
Uh...Libby...read the exchange...it's YOU defending Clinton's veracity. YOu are the one "quoting" him. YOU are the one making the Clinton claim...not me.
You're so fucked up you don't even know what it is you're arguing any more.
Uh...Libby...read the exchange...it's YOU defending Clinton's veracity.
Uh, among other things in this thread, I've cited Bubba's own words that he had indeed been offered Osama's head on a platter but refusing to do anything about it....as YOU conversely claimed such a thing as a phantom "order to kill Bin Laden" was issued by Bill Clinton.
Bubba's "veracity" isn't something most sane people would or could vouch for with a straight face.
You're so fucked up you don't even know what it is you're arguing any more.
Don't blame me for pointing out your cluelessness and ill-informed revisionist history on several counts.
