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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Economy See other Economy Articles Title: Battered by Economic Crisis, Greeks Turn to Barter Networks Source: New York Times URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/w ... er-networks-surge.html?_r=2&hp Published: Oct 1, 2011 Author: RACHEL DONADIO Post Date: 2011-10-02 11:24:33 by lucysmom Keywords: None Views: 62121 Comments: 90 VOLOS, Greece — The first time he bought eggs, milk and jam at an outdoor market using not euros but an informal barter currency, Theodoros Mavridis, an unemployed electrician, was thrilled. The barter network in Volos has grown to 400 members. “I felt liberated, I felt free for the first time,” Mr. Mavridis said in a recent interview at a cafe in this port city in central Greece. “I instinctively reached into my pocket, but there was no need to.” Mr. Mavridis is a co-founder of a growing network here in Volos that uses a so-called Local Alternative Unit, or TEM in Greek, to exchange goods and services — language classes, baby-sitting, computer support, home-cooked meals — and to receive discounts at some local businesses. Part alternative currency, part barter system, part open-air market, the Volos network has grown exponentially in the past year, from 50 to 400 members. It is one of several such groups cropping up around the country, as Greeks squeezed by large wage cuts, tax increases and growing fears about whether they will continue to use the euro have looked for creative ways to cope with a radically changing economic landscape. Click for Full Text! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Comments (1-4) not displayed.       .       .       . #5. To: A K A Stone (#3) Socialism doesn't help people. It hurts them. So then if single payer health insurance saves lives, it's not Socialism. "You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric lucysmom  posted on  2011-10-02   12:19:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: lucysmom (#4) I liked when he swallowed the hot gold potatoes... I laughed... America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-10-02   12:25:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: lucysmom (#5) So then if single payer health insurance saves lives, it's not Socialism. Where do you get these goofy ideas at? Taking from someone against their will to give it to someone else is socialism. Helping people through your free will and good heart is just good behavior. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-02   12:30:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: A K A Stone (#7) Taking from someone against their will to give it to someone else is socialism. What is being "taken"? Everyone would have the same access to health care. America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-10-02   12:37:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: war (#8) What is being "taken"? Everyone would have the same access to health care. No they wouldn't. Impossible. Secondly what if they don't want to be part of it? Why should a healthy normal person be forced to pay for some homos health care because they were risky and had the aids virus shot up their ass? Aren't they also calling abortion healthcare? A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-02   12:39:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: war (#8) I take care of myself you take care of yourself. What is wrong with that? If you want to help someone then you help them. If I want to help someone then I'll help them. This is a violation of our natural rights as human beings. This isn't star trek. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-02   12:40:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: war (#6) Poor Midas! "You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric lucysmom  posted on  2011-10-02   12:41:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: A K A Stone (#10) This is a violation of our natural rights as human beings. Isn't "Life" a natural right? HOW is denying a HEALTHY LIFE inviolate to that right? America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-10-02   12:43:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: war (#12) How is taxing half of peoples income when you add them all up not a violation of your free will? A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-02   12:43:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: A K A Stone (#13) You've made a free decision to be a member of this society. Taxes are what we pay to maintain that order. You DON'T have to be a member of this society. You have the freedom to leave. America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-10-02   12:45:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: war (#12) You see. You liberals want to tell everyone how to live. You want us to all have the same healthcare. You want us to all follow law X and law Z. Then you want to let deadbeats not work and take the fruits of other peoples labor. The fruit of your labor is yours not the collectives. That is the problem with you liberals. You are collectivists that want to tell everyone what to do and how to live and what to eat. When your healthcare law takes effect. You libtards will start complaining about what people eat (cunt michelle Obama is already doing that). Then you will say but we have to pay your healthcare. Such circular self promoting illogic. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-02   12:47:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: A K A Stone (#7) Taking from someone against their will to give it to someone else is socialism. Helping people through your free will and good heart is just good behavior. Then maybe you'd do well to pay your taxes with joy and thanksgiving. "You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric lucysmom  posted on  2011-10-02   12:47:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: war (#14) You've made a free decision to be a member of this society. No one makes a free decision to be a member of this society unless you immigrated here. The rest of us were born her. And we have rights. One is to not have to join government healthcare collective. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-02   12:48:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: lucysmom (#16) I'd rather put a dagger in the heart of elected thieves who think like you do. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-02   12:49:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: A K A Stone (#18) I'd rather put a dagger in the heart of elected thieves who think like you do. Do you want to join the ranks of prison inmates because they get free healthcare? mininggold  posted on  2011-10-02   12:52:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: A K A Stone (#9) Why should a healthy normal person be forced to pay for some homos health care because they were risky and had the aids virus shot up their ass? The healthy "normal" person is paying for himself in the future when he just might not be so healthy or normal. Scores of people got AIDS through blood transfusions. Other chaste and faithful spouses got AIDS from their not so chaste partners. Not treating an AIDS infected woman can and does result in a HIV positive baby (should we treat the woman, abort the baby, or let nature take it's course?). "You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric lucysmom  posted on  2011-10-02   12:53:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: A K A Stone (#15) Did you go to church today? Got soap? Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-10-02   12:53:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: A K A Stone (#15) You liberals want to tell everyone how to live. Between you and me...who wants to outlaw homosexuality and who has no problem with forcing children to pray in school or allowing compulsory church attendence as prison sentences? Between you and me, who wants people to live healthy lives free from the worry of illness decimating them and their families? When your healthcare law takes effect It's not my healthcare law. Most of it is a sham. There are some good things but you still can't move out of state and take your healthcare with you. Catastrophic coverage is still not guaranteed. And there is no single payer. You libtards will start complaining about what people eat (cunt michelle Obama is already doing that). Then you will say but we have to pay your healthcare. Such circular self promoting illogic. You don't believe that diet and health are somehow connected? That if people eat better and exercise their use of the health care system won't decrease? America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-10-02   12:55:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: A K A Stone (#10) I take care of myself you take care of yourself. What is wrong with that? If you want to help someone then you help them. If I want to help someone then I'll help them. Aren't you one of those guys objecting to Michelle Obama educating people on how to better take care of themselves and their children? "You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric lucysmom  posted on  2011-10-02   12:55:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: war (#12) Isn't "Life" a natural right? Not if you're born. "You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric lucysmom  posted on  2011-10-02   12:56:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: A K A Stone (#13) How is taxing half of peoples income when you add them all up not a violation of your free will? Aren't you paid with money collected from the people in taxes? How much of the money you take from them should you pay back? "You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric lucysmom  posted on  2011-10-02   12:58:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: A K A Stone (#9) No they wouldn't. Impossible. How so? Secondly what if they don't want to be part of it? What if I don't want to be a "part of" a tax system that rewards investment income over sweat of brow income? One that spends hundreds of billions of dollars maintaining a war machine that actually makes us LESS safe? One that subsidizes religious education and programs? America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-10-02   12:58:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: A K A Stone (#17) (Edited) No one makes a free decision to be a member of this society unless you immigrated here. The rest of us were born her. And we have rights. One is to not have to join government healthcare collective. Everyone,. no matter where they are born has the same rights. That's what "natural rights" mean. It's a matter of whether or not the will of the of the governed is strong enough to demand that their government recognize these rights by limiting the government's power to encroach or abridge those rights. And I believe - strongly - that the right to a HEALTHY life, one optimized and maximized to the full abilities of health science, IS a natural right. America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-10-02   13:02:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: A K A Stone (#15) The fruit of your labor is yours not the collectives. It is the "collective" that provides you the structure and opportunity to reap the particular fruit that is available in a civilized society - taxes are how you pay for what you get. "You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric lucysmom  posted on  2011-10-02   13:02:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: A K A Stone (#18) I'd rather put a dagger in the heart of elected thieves who think like you do. So then you would deprive others who do not agree with you, the right to life? "You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric lucysmom  posted on  2011-10-02   13:04:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: lucysmom (#28) It is the "collective" that provides you the structure and opportunity to reap the particular fruit that is available in a civilized society - taxes are how you pay for what you get. What you're saying- in effect- is that taxpayer- subsidized government is responsible for society. We managed as a country, to survive 150 years without "income" taxes and a bloated government.. . Which makes your entire line of thought demonstrably *false.* Thanks for playing! DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff? http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-02   13:39:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: Capitalist Eric (#30) Which makes your entire line of thought demonstrably *false.* Only if you have absolutely no sense of logic or history. That "first 150 years" saw us nearly fall apart at the seems several times. Several of those times were caused by severe economic dislocation that DID require the government to intervene. America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-10-02   13:52:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: Capitalist Eric (#30) We managed as a country, to survive 150 years without "income" taxes and a bloated government.. . Back then we didn't have an interstate highway system, a space program (that has created all kinds of opportunities for the private sector), or over 300 million in population. Railroads were built with government subsidies way back then. "You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric lucysmom  posted on  2011-10-02   14:00:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #33. To: war (#31) That "first 150 years" saw us nearly fall apart at the seems several times. Several of those times were caused by severe economic dislocation that DID require the government to intervene. Periodic recessions and depressions (business cycles) are the elephant in the free market room. "You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric lucysmom  posted on  2011-10-02   14:03:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: mininggold (#19) Do you want to join the ranks of prison inmates because they get free healthcare? lol A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-02   14:08:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #35. To: lucysmom (#29) So then you would deprive others who do not agree with you, the right to life? No. I'm talking figuratively. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-02   14:09:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #36. To: war (#27) And I believe - strongly - that the right to a HEALTHY life, one optimized and maximized to the full abilities of health science, IS a natural right. So you have a right to force someone to operate on you or give you medical treatment? That means they don't have a right to not work on your health care. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-02   14:13:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #37. To: lucysmom, Capitalist Eric (#32) Back then we didn't have an interstate highway system, a space program (that has created all kinds of opportunities for the private sector), or over 300 million in population. Railroads were built with government subsidies way back then. Another one ignorant of the prevalence of revenue stamps, especially for bank transactions. mininggold  posted on  2011-10-02   14:31:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #38. To: A K A Stone (#36) So you have a right to force someone to operate on you or give you medical treatment? That means they don't have a right to not work on your health care. So you think it's currently legal for one to abandon one's patients? mininggold  posted on  2011-10-02   14:33:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #39. To: war, A K A Stone (#22) Between you and me, who wants people to live healthy lives free from the worry of illness decimating them and their families? Stone needs to experience a good old fashioned, non discriminating, cholera epidemic first hand, in order to put the real fear of God into him. mininggold  posted on  2011-10-02   14:43:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #40. To: lucysmom (#33) Periodic recessions and depressions (business cycles) are the elephant in the free market room. They are an intrinsic part of an efficient market, in that misallocations of resources are cleared out. Before the Fed and "income" taxes, such events were measured over a few short years. Now they're *decades* long. But to your empty mind, such government-sponsored disasters justify *more* government. In other words, you idiot leftists *never* learn. DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff? http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-02   14:51:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #41. To: A K A Stone (#36) So you have a right to force someone to operate on you or give you medical treatment? Your child is dying and needs medicine. The medicine is in a pharmacy that won't sell it to you because you couldn't afford a doctor to write the prescription. You break the window and steal the medicine. Who is the criminal? America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-10-02   14:53:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #42. To: Capitalist Eric, lucysmom (#40) They are an intrinsic part of an efficient market, in that misallocations of resources are cleared out. That's an economist's mumbo jumbo for "oops"... America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-10-02   14:54:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #43. To: A K A Stone (#34) Idiotbitch: Do you want to join the ranks of prison inmates because they get free healthcare? If she worked as hard at rational thinking as throwing out bogus BS to sidetrack conversations, she might well become a productive member of society... She'll never go there, though. It's easier to believe her delusions, than face reality. DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff? http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-10-02   14:57:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #44. To: Capitalist Eric (#43) (Edited) Do you ever have a comment about the topic at hand rather than one about the people discussing it? EVER? America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-10-02   15:15:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #45. To: Capitalist Eric (#43) If she worked as hard at rational thinking as throwing out bogus BS to sidetrack conversations, she might well become a productive member of society... She'll never go there, though. It's easier to believe her delusions, than face reality. Whatsa the matter? Poor baby Eric's upset again when reminded that it's illegal to kill everyone he disagrees with? mininggold  posted on  2011-10-02   15:16:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply         .       .       . Comments (46 - 90) not displayed. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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