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Title: Battered by Economic Crisis, Greeks Turn to Barter Networks
Source: New York Times
URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/w ... er-networks-surge.html?_r=2&hp
Published: Oct 1, 2011
Author: RACHEL DONADIO
Post Date: 2011-10-02 11:24:33 by lucysmom
Keywords: None
Views: 62062
Comments: 90

VOLOS, Greece — The first time he bought eggs, milk and jam at an outdoor market using not euros but an informal barter currency, Theodoros Mavridis, an unemployed electrician, was thrilled.

The barter network in Volos has grown to 400 members.

“I felt liberated, I felt free for the first time,” Mr. Mavridis said in a recent interview at a cafe in this port city in central Greece. “I instinctively reached into my pocket, but there was no need to.”

Mr. Mavridis is a co-founder of a growing network here in Volos that uses a so-called Local Alternative Unit, or TEM in Greek, to exchange goods and services — language classes, baby-sitting, computer support, home-cooked meals — and to receive discounts at some local businesses.

Part alternative currency, part barter system, part open-air market, the Volos network has grown exponentially in the past year, from 50 to 400 members. It is one of several such groups cropping up around the country, as Greeks squeezed by large wage cuts, tax increases and growing fears about whether they will continue to use the euro have looked for creative ways to cope with a radically changing economic landscape.

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#1. To: Not Badeye, A K A Stone, Fred Mertz, Godwinson, go65, war, no gnu taxes, Skip Intro, ferret mike, jwpegler, mininggold, brian s, mcgowanjm (#0)

After years of rampant consumerism and easy credit, such nascent initiatives speak to the new mood in Greece, where imposed austerity has caused people to come together — not only to protest en masse, but also to help one another.

Oooo - people helping each other - socialist.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-10-02   11:27:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: lucysmom (#1)

Oooo - people helping each other - socialist.

That isn't socialism. I think it is great that they found a way around the euro. Socialism doesn't help people. It hurts them.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-02   11:37:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A K A Stone (#3)

Socialism doesn't help people. It hurts them.

So then if single payer health insurance saves lives, it's not Socialism.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-10-02   12:19:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: lucysmom (#5)

So then if single payer health insurance saves lives, it's not Socialism.

Where do you get these goofy ideas at?

Taking from someone against their will to give it to someone else is socialism.

Helping people through your free will and good heart is just good behavior.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-02   12:30:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone (#7)

Taking from someone against their will to give it to someone else is socialism.

What is being "taken"? Everyone would have the same access to health care.

war  posted on  2011-10-02   12:37:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: war (#8)

I take care of myself you take care of yourself. What is wrong with that? If you want to help someone then you help them. If I want to help someone then I'll help them.

This is a violation of our natural rights as human beings. This isn't star trek.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-02   12:40:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#10)

This is a violation of our natural rights as human beings.

Isn't "Life" a natural right?

HOW is denying a HEALTHY LIFE inviolate to that right?

war  posted on  2011-10-02   12:43:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: war (#12)

You see. You liberals want to tell everyone how to live. You want us to all have the same healthcare. You want us to all follow law X and law Z. Then you want to let deadbeats not work and take the fruits of other peoples labor. The fruit of your labor is yours not the collectives.

That is the problem with you liberals. You are collectivists that want to tell everyone what to do and how to live and what to eat.

When your healthcare law takes effect. You libtards will start complaining about what people eat (cunt michelle Obama is already doing that). Then you will say but we have to pay your healthcare. Such circular self promoting illogic.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-02   12:47:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone (#15)

You liberals want to tell everyone how to live.

Between you and me...who wants to outlaw homosexuality and who has no problem with forcing children to pray in school or allowing compulsory church attendence as prison sentences?

Between you and me, who wants people to live healthy lives free from the worry of illness decimating them and their families?

When your healthcare law takes effect

It's not my healthcare law. Most of it is a sham. There are some good things but you still can't move out of state and take your healthcare with you. Catastrophic coverage is still not guaranteed. And there is no single payer.

You libtards will start complaining about what people eat (cunt michelle Obama is already doing that). Then you will say but we have to pay your healthcare. Such circular self promoting illogic.

You don't believe that diet and health are somehow connected? That if people eat better and exercise their use of the health care system won't decrease?

war  posted on  2011-10-02   12:55:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#39. To: war, A K A Stone (#22)

Between you and me, who wants people to live healthy lives free from the worry of illness decimating them and their families?

Stone needs to experience a good old fashioned, non discriminating, cholera epidemic first hand, in order to put the real fear of God into him.

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