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Title: ACLU objects to killing of al Qaeda leader
Source: The Hill
URL Source: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief ... -to-killing-of-al-qaeda-leader
Published: Sep 30, 2011
Author: Erik Wasson
Post Date: 2011-09-30 12:40:46 by Sebastian
Keywords: None
Views: 137969
Comments: 179

The American Civil Liberties Union has objected to the killing of the U.S.-born Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki in Yemen by U.S. forces.

Awlaki was a U.S. citizen, and the ACLU said President Obama does not have the authority to kill an American without due process of law. The White House confirmed the cleric was killed by a U.S. drone attack.

“The targeted killing program violates both U.S. and international law,” ACLU Deputy Legal Director Jameel Jaffer said. “As we’ve seen today, this is a program under which American citizens far from any battlefield can be executed by their own government without judicial process, and on the basis of standards and evidence that are kept secret not just from the public but from the courts.”

The ACLU said the government only has the authority to kill Americans when a threat is imminent.

“It is a mistake to invest the president — any president — with the unreviewable power to kill any American whom he deems to present a threat to the country,” Jaffer said.

Ben Wizner, litigation director of the ACLU’s National Security Project, added:

“If the Constitution means anything, it surely means that the president does not have unreviewable authority to summarily execute any American whom he concludes is an enemy of the state.”

Obama’s actions also garnered criticism from GOP presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul (Texas).

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#4. To: Sebastian (#0) (Edited)

President Obama does not have the authority to kill an American without due process of law.

It's called first degree murder.

I know that a lot of people are out thumping their chests today, but without any evidence to the contrary, the only thing we know for sure is that al-Awlaki was posting political opinions on a website.

Posting political opinions on a web site is not against the law. Remember, that is what we do here on LF.

Also remember, that the very first thing Obama's Department of Homeland Security did was issue a report about homegrown, "right-wing extremists".

Tie these two together, along with Obama's constant demonetization of his opponents, and it points to a very bad place.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-09-30   13:30:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: jwpegler (#4)

It's called first degree murder.

Nope, it's called war. Under current U.S. law the President has the authority to attack enemy combatants outside of the U.S., regardless of their citizenship/country of origin.

See: http://volokh.com/2011/09/30/anwar-al-aulaqi-apparently-killed-by-drone-in-yemen/

and:

http://www.lawfareblog.com/2011/09/al-awlaki-as-an-operational-leader-located-in-a-place-where-capture-was-not-possible/

go65  posted on  2011-09-30   15:09:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: go65 (#5)

Under current U.S. law

There are a lot of current U.S. laws that violate the Constitution.

That's the problem.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-09-30   19:20:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: jwpegler (#8)

I'm really hoping after the pig in office takes his sow and their droppings out of the WH that somebody in the next Justice Department considers bringing some serious investigations and that they result in criminal charges being proferred.

Wouldn't that be a hoot to watch the drroling leftards howl were that to occur:):):)

e_type_jag  posted on  2011-10-01   0:27:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: e_type_jag (#15)

I'm really hoping after the pig in office takes his sow and their droppings out of the WH that somebody in the next Justice Department considers bringing some serious investigations and that they result in criminal charges being proferred.

Wouldn't that be a hoot to watch the drroling leftards howl were that to occur:):):)

I'm convinced if Perry is elected he will have Obama executed.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-01   12:08:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A K A Stone, e_type_jag (#17)

I'm convinced if Perry is elected he will have Obama executed.

There will not even be an attempted prosecution for anything, regardless of what Republican may be elected, just as there has been no prosecution of Bush/Cheney.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-10-01   12:36:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: nolu chan (#18)

I'm convinced if Perry is elected he will have Obama executed.

There will not even be an attempted prosecution for anything, regardless of what Republican may be elected, just as there has been no prosecution of Bush/Cheney.

Perry isn't any of those people. He said that the Fed (Obama) was commiting treason if they printed more money. I think they just did that recently didn't they? So that is the punishment for treason. Or do you think Perry was just kidding? Or maybe he is serious but wouldn't follow through with it?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-10-01   15:07:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#20. To: A K A Stone (#19)

Perry isn't any of those people. He said that the Fed (Obama) was commiting treason if they printed more money. I think they just did that recently didn't they? So that is the punishment for treason. Or do you think Perry was just kidding? Or maybe he is serious but wouldn't follow through with it?

Obama is now the Federal Reserve too? And here I thought they were a private corporation.

You Tea Baggers need to stop this silliness if you ever expect to be taken seriously.

mininggold  posted on  2011-10-01 15:35:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#19)

Perry isn't any of those people. He said that the Fed (Obama) was commiting treason if they printed more money. I think they just did that recently didn't they? So that is the punishment for treason. Or do you think Perry was just kidding? Or maybe he is serious but wouldn't follow through with it?

Perry's babble is meaningless political rhetoric. Treason is the one crime defined by the Constitution, and it has been very narrowly defined by the judicial system.

The Fed is not Obama, it is an agency. The Fed is not a U.S. citizen. The Fed has not levied war against the United States.

U.S. Const., Article 3, Section 3:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

If candidates for president did what they say during the campaign, GHWB would not have brought any new taxes, Bill Clinton would have delivered a modest middle class tax cut, GWB would have "pa[id] the debt down to a historically low level," and Obama would have rapidly closed Gitmo and be gone from Iraq.

They are all full of crap, both parties. Pay more attention to what they do, and less attention to what they say.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-10-01 15:58:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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