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Title: 'I am a girl': The plight of Tammy, the adopted son of two lesbians who started sex change aged 8 because he has always maintained he is a girl
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Daily Mail Online
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... ormone-blocking-treatment.html
Published: Sep 29, 2011
Author: John Stevens
Post Date: 2011-09-29 22:29:04 by Sebastian
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Views: 126834
Comments: 212
A boy who started the process of changing sex at age eight has told how he always knew he was meant to be a girl. Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment in Berkeley, California to stop him going through puberty as a boy. His two lesbian mothers, who adopted him aged two, say that they have been criticised by friends and family, but insist they have not forced their son to become a girl. Scroll down for video Therapy: Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment No pressure: The boy's two lesbian adopted mothers, Debra, left, and Pauline, right, say that they have not forced their son to become a girl They say that one of the first things he told them when he learnt sign language aged three, learned because of a speech impediment, was, 'I am a girl'. Tammy, now 11, wears dresses and effectively lives as a girl. His parents, Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel, say that their son, who they claim was depressed at a younger age and threatened to chop of his own penis, is now much happier. The couple were married in 1990 by a rabbi, according to Pauline's Facebook page, and have two older sons and grandchildren. PROUD MOM: Two photos of Tammy from one of Pauline's Facebook albums called 'My Sweet Sweet Princess' Here is Tammy with her mothers and older brother Edgar at his recent bar mitzvah. Mother Pauline said Tammy was shy and unhappy as a boy when compared to her older, outgoing brothers Unlike his older brothers who are both described at outgoing and athletic, Thomas liked to read Wonder Woman comic books and play with dolls. He shunned baseball hats, preferring rhinestone hair accessories. At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, therapists and psychiatrists diagnosed Tammy with gender identity disorder. A year later his parents allowed him to start the first step of his transition to becoming female by letting him pick his own clothes and wear bras. Tammy favor headbands to baseball hats and picked out bras and dresses to start wearing when given choice in clothing to wear 'As soon as we let him put on a dress, his personality changed from a very sad kid who sat still, didn't do much of anything to a very happy little girl who was thrilled to be alive,' one mother Pauline told CNN. This summer, Tammy started taking hormone-blocking drugs, which will stop him from experiencing puberty. The hormone-suppressant will postpone the 11-year-old developing broad shoulders, deep voice and facial hair.The diagnosis has been hard to accept for Tammy's parents, but they insist their sexuality has nothing to do with it. As Pauline said, people think 'we're pushing her to do this. I'm a lesbian. My partner is a lesbian. That suddenly falls into the fold: "Oh, you want her to be part of the lifestyle you guys live".' Unhappy: Tammy was adopted aged two by Debra Lobel and Pauline Moreno But they insist that is not the case and the decision has been difficult. His parents say the hormone treatment will give him time to figure out if he wants to fully transition to being female or go through puberty as a boy. If he chooses to stop taking the drugs, he will undergo natural male puberty at a later stage and his future fertility would not be impacted. Should he decide to transition to an adult female, he can take female hormones as well, which would raise his voice, grow breasts and develop other feminine physical characteristics. Pauline and Debra have been married since 1990, when they were joined in a commitment ceremony by their rabbi San Francisco, right by Berkeley, is one of four cities in the United States with a hospital that has a program for transgender children. The University of California San Francisco is home to the Center of Excellence for Transgender Health. Children are seen at length by mental health professionals and then treated by pediatric endocrinologists. Others cities with youth programs are Boston, Seattle and Los Angeles. Watch the video report: 
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What's wrong with that?
------------------------------------- Uh-HUH. They didn't physically force this kid to try and be a girl, but their natural inclination (to be sick bitches) definitely had something to do with it....... This perfectly demonstrates why homos should NOT be allowed to adopt children. NOTHING will alter the fact that they're defective, and will try to justify and explain away that defect, even to little kids who have no clue what these sickos are REALLY about. CPS needs to be called on these bitches, and they need to spend some quality time in the state pen. UNBELIEVABLE.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 So far I've only got the second dumbest comment on the thread.
------------------------------------- LOL. Another attempt at wit, eh? DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 "What's wrong with that?" 'Title: 'I am a girl': The plight of FIXED. Gawd, what a three-dollar bill. Say "Hi" to your lesbian Mommy, yukon.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
But at least the two mutant freaks aren't racist or homophobic. *eyeball roll*
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Lame. As usual.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Mostly because all he heard at home was how everybody with a penis is evil,and their penises should be cut off. Here is Tammy with her mothers and older brother Edgar at his recent bar mitzvah. Big brother Edgar looks like a fruitcake to me. And let's get real. This is about politics with these lesbians as it is sexuality. I doubt they can even separate the two.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
Queers shouldn't be allowed to kidnap little boys and pretend that it is an adoption. What they are doing is an abomination. They should be prosecuted and executed. Maybe this is why God said kill the homos in Leviticus. These queers are fucking up the next generation. Queers have no morals and don't know right from wrong. Or intentionally choose wrong every time. I would never hire a faggot.
They are not married. Only men and women can be married.
Two moms. No he doesn't have two moms. You can only have one mom. By the way that isn't a picture of a family. It is a picture of two sex perverts destroying a little boy. Gee I wish Jerry Brown would have them executed for crimes against this innocent little boy.
If you defend this you are a worthless freak piece of trash. Do you defend it or do you have some sanity?
Gee I wonder why. Those women are evil. Is Jerry Brown going to prosecute and execute them?
They belong to the greatest religion in the world and were married by a rabbi. Who are you to question the actions of G-d's chosen ones.
The guy isn't a rabbi. He is a pretend Rabbi. Do you think that these two evil queers are having an affect on this young boy? Do you think it is a good affect? Do you think queers should be allowed to adopt? What is it like 3am where you are at?
HILARIOUS... And my first read through has you at about #6 now...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Nothing, (speaking Seinfeldianly, of course).
Homosexuals don't adopt. They recruit.
Do you think that these two evil queers are having an affect on this young boy? Do you think it is a good affect? Do you think queers should be allowed to adopt? What is it like 3am where you are at? It was 4am, so what? But still too early to reply with all the conjecture you need to get your day started.
One recruitment at a time.
Do you actually think Jerry Brown is going to do anything about this???? If he did he would be pissing off almost everyone who voted for him.......
"CHANGE" you can step in..... Who made you judge of how much someone is worth based on their opinions? You have to start talking sane to be talked back to with the same respect and faith in the notion that you are sane too if we are to go anywhere in this topic. You run your forum with the notion that it is a venue to lynch whatever particular people you don't like, yet you wear a hair shirt when 4UM bans you because of your pompous attitude about some commonly shared opinions most the posting body have in common. That is another issue you should clear up before talking this deep about politics or social issues with me. Your hypocracy is unbecoming on you. Hypocracy and hatefully trying o browbeat; you never cease to amuse me, Stone. But you never impress me.
Tell me, what should he do about Cher? After all, Chaz was her daughter originally. Should she be executed, too? Are you in favor of governors executing people just because they feel like it, like Stone is?
Tea Baggers in general appear to love and admire despots.
Skip you are one dumb fucker. I favor executing people who fuck with little kids and drug them to suppress their natural growth. Those cunts should be hung in public to make an example out of someone who abuses a child like this. Then they should invite the Mexicans over to play hit the pinata. You stomp out evil. You don't embrace it and say it is a virtue. This site is libertysflame. Not anti liberty. Moron.
We despise Obama weirdo.
Are you in favor of governors executing people just because they feel like it, like Stone is? Personally I could care less about Cher and her daughter, they can be as messed up in the head as they want..... They can also keep their problems to themselves and deal with them without soliciting tolerance/approval/pity from others!!!! That right there is the reason why most people don't care/like gays.... As far as the governor executing people well it's up to him or her if they let court mandated justice take it's course, or pardon the offender..... If the court decides it's your time to assume room temperature for some crime you've commited then so be it..... So let me ask you a question, do think think pedophilia, necrophilia and pederasty should be socially acceptable like homosexuality????
"CHANGE" you can step in..... There is no excuse ever to dictate culture with the barrel of a gun, or the sting of an executioner's needle. I notice the self appointed definer of culture doesn't like studies that show conclusively that the brain defines gender and that some people need to define their own gender roles dispite what is expected from them because of their body's manifestation of gender. I notice is sexist nature comes through when he talks about the transformation physically from male to female is a process of "stunting someone's growth." Since when is being female inferior to a male? That's news to me, that one 'is stunted if they are female.' The gender this girl should manifest is the one that feels right to her. And she is lucky to have two caring parents to take care of her and help her get the medical care she needs for transformation. People who transition blend very well into into general culture as the function better as they are far happier and satified with life then they would have been had they had to repress who they were just to keep people like Stone from having his head explode. I have no sympathy for depotic thinking either. And anyone that does not accept that homosexual and transgender people are very normal, productive and decent people it is their problem to work out. They are foolish to bother others about what afficts them in their minds and hearts. The snake oil of hatred and intolerence is not as a popular tonic as some might like to believe. Which give me some hope for the future.
I'm not real comfortable with that either.
I believe he is talking about the various hormone replacements required, most of which have known cancer causing abilities.
We despise Obama weirdo. Exactly, he's not a despot.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
I'm sure Stone is not so judgemental about people who do far more dangerous things like smoke tobacco or do a simular trade off of some risk for a more satifying life. Some transgender people cannot transition with surgery or hormones yet function better just assuming the more comfortable gender role for them. There is no need to get hung up on the meds. Theu are only prescribed with periotic examinations and blood work anyway, So thismakes the risk far smaller then it is if someone self medicated with purchases over the Internet. And all the surgeries require help with adjustments into the preferred gender role. The protocols and safeguards to make sure that only people with what the DMS IV called 'Gender Dysphoria' transition as well established and functions well. Anyone can change their name legally to better match their gender identification in any state and change the gender marker on the driver's licenses and other ID in most states along with doing that. Once someone settles into being who they identify as, they should be left alone and have their rights and social status protected.
I saw no mention of the courts in Stone's response, did you? As to your question, no I don't.
So you agree with the sentence in this case. "Oregon couple convicted in son's faith-healing death" http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/09/oregon-couple-convicted-in-sons-faith-healing-death.html Good. So do I.
What about people who fuck with little kids so much that they have an operation to change their gender? Do the courts need to be involved in the execution, or can they just be skipped because they might not agree with you?
Maybe you missed my last question. So you agree with the sentence in this case. "Oregon couple convicted in son's faith-healing death" http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/09/oregon-couple-convicted-in-sons-faith-healing-death.html Do you? And since you called for the execution of the people who fed their kid drugs, what should happen to these two scumbag lowlifes?
We despise Obama weirdo. Exactly, he's not a despot. I like this definition. 2. any person in power who acts tyrannically That definition fits Obama. He is attacking Libya without congressional authorization. That is just one of many examples.
As to your question, no I don't. Of course the courts should be involved. The legislature should change the law to make it reflect what I said above. Comprende?
Mike that is really dumb. Tobacco is worse then some freaks brainwashing an 8 year old? Damn your evil.
What are you trying to say here Mike? Are you coming out of the closet or something? That's what it sounds like.
You seem to know a lot about this Mike. Hey remember that pic you used to post of yourself. Can you post it here. I want to see if you are "transgendered". Don't tell me until I see the picture. I want to guess. Thanks.
Seems you have been putting a lot of thought into this.
Mike you're goofy as hell. Your point of view is so far out there. I can't help but laugh at you. I like you though. Just think your views are screwed up.
Says the asshole who supports child murder when the perps are religious nut cases, just like you.
2. any person in power who acts tyrannically That definition fits Obama. The truth must lay somewhere between the people who think he's a tyrant and those who think he's a compromising wimp. I think Obama is all things to all people.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
It's also about making the fantasy a reality. Imagine their thrill at castrating an innocent male. I bet they keep the severed penis as a trophy.
I do work for Basic Rights Oregon ever since the fight against the Oregon Citizen's Alliance. I also have lived in Portland and got to know quite a few transgendered people while working at the Portland Saturday Market. One of the is chairwoman of the market board up there this year.
I am not going to find transgendered people for you to date. If you want that sort of contact, I'm sure there are dating services you can contact who can help you.
As to your question, no I don't. No I didn't and I figured you knew when someone was pulling your chain, guess not!!!! As it stands right now it is beyond his power to execute people, and as far as I'm concerned it should stay that way... Then you should be against open homosexuality too, because a lot of them commit those heinous acts I mentioned in my last post......
"CHANGE" you can step in..... Homosexuals are very normal people who have a different preference for partners than you, that's it. The status was destigmatized in 1972 precisely because homosexual people matched heterosexual people in every aspect of life but for one minor difference. Your problem is your unreasonable and malicious bigotry that just makes someone like you the afflicted one here.
I'm sure you'll be providing the statistics for both heterosexual and homosexual practitioners so we can verify your claim.
"CHANGE" you can step in..... And the heterosexual data is ...?
From that article..... "Homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses: Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children".
"CHANGE" you can step in..... I'm sorry, but the Family Research Council is not an unbiased source, since they have a very clear agenda. I'd like to see data from a source without a bias.
Actually, you are wrong. Pedophiles are into young, pre-adolescent children and often don't care what the gender of the young child is. Homosexuality has no more relation to pedophelia then heterosexuality does. Anyone who preys on children who are too young to form consent to engage in sexual activity is a problem. Normal homosexual or heterosexual activities have nothing to do with that particular crime.
Then go find it and post it..... and by the way good luck finding one, especially a pro-gay or government source that is unbiased!!
"CHANGE" you can step in..... No, you find it to back up your claim. Far right bible thumper sites don't count because they're totally biased, and FRC is as biased as it gets.
Do you seriously believe the ability to procreate and propagate the species versus an inability to procreate and propagate the species is 'one minor difference'?
Plenty of gays and lesbians have children. They make as good guardians or parents as anyone else. Besides, the species has cuccessfully procreated and thrived with homosexuality as part of the human sexual makeup since there were humans, so why should that suddenly change now? Your statement makes as little sense as lamenting older man/woman couples past the age of child bearing, or infertile people having sex thus endangering the survival of the species. Your argument is a red herring and stinks like one that has been stuck in a car's heater vent for a week.
Yup. I have always believed the reason Michael Jackson used to put masks on the faces of the white children he bought was so that once they got old enough he could have plastic surgery done to them to make them look like him. IMHO,those children dodged a bullet when the pervert OD'ed.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
Not true. They vote Dim,and that's something a normal person would never do.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
Wrong. They are VERY biased. I can't imagine any organization being more biased than them. Asking their opinion about homosexuality is like asking the NAACP their opinion on Affirmative Action. There just ain't no surprises to be had.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
The fact remains that homosexual activity cannot produce off-spring. You may enjoy sodomy but it will not result in pregnancy.
And your point fails to take into account for the many gay and lesbian people who have indeed produced children and who make great adoptive parents and guardians for children needing a stable and protective home. By your logic sex should be illegal unless a couple can bear young. Which is a short step from criminalizing any sex not reproductive in nature.
I agree. I suspect the numbers are being "cooked" by the religious right to include adult homosexuals having sex with teen age homosexuals in order to make it look like homos prefer children. Yeah,I know that in some states anybody younger than 18 is still considered a child,but I suspect the percentage of heterosexuals having sex with teens is the same as homosexuals having sex with teens. The difference is the fundies are counting the adult homosexuals having sex with teens,and ignoring the adult heterosexuals having sex with teens.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
If so, then it was done through heterosexual sex or artificial insemination. If tomorrow, every human practiced homosexuality exclusively, the species would fail. Homosexuality is a failed lifestyle. Enjoy it as you will, homosexual sex acts between humans cannot result in pregnancy and thankfully, do not contribute to the gene pool.
Now that's sick.
You think I didn't know this? So? Just as many heterosexuals experiment with homosexuality, homosexuals often have had heterosexual relationships. They contribute all the time. And they give others the chance to contribute to the gene pool too. In the 1980s I provided the material for friends of mine to have a child who is a very healthy and happy little girl who loves her two Moms. She knows me casually but we have never shared this knowlege with her as there is no need to her having two excellent parents and role models to love and charish as parents. Eugene, Oregon has a huge number of lesbian couples and it is not generally known for this large community. I have three women couples within two blocks of my place and this is not an uncommon thing here. There are many lesbians on the Eugene Police Force, some in high leadership positions, and they have been city councilwomen, and it is illegal to discriminate against gays, lesbians and transgendered people in Eugene, Oregon in any way including in housing and employment. Being openly homophobic here is not a good idea. It is very much a good way to wind up in jail in a hurry. Especially if you do it in the Whiteaker Neigborhood.
I remember getting come ons from some gay men when i was much younger and it was no problem just saying no and have a great day anyway to them. People will be people. Older guys will hit on young girls and boys just legal age as gays and straights both manifest the unconsious desire to find that prime age of breeding partner in this society that values and worships youth too much in general. I have always valued my gay and lesbian friends. They don't need to have sex with me to be friends, any more then heterosexual women need to hit the kip with me to call me a pal.
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Homophobia is a crime in Eugene? I would think people who are homophobic (that is to say, people who have a fear of homosexuals and/or homosexuality would actively avoid being around homosexuals so as to avoid the stress caused by their phobia. You know, the way people with acrophobia avoid high places?). Why would that be illegal? Or do they fine folks of Eugene simply enjoy the abuse of police power?
Numbered in the millions, I'm sure.
The social invisibility of successful women who have undergone gender corrections supports the notion that male-to-female transsexualism is extremely rare. However, intense transsexualism is not all that uncommon. Recent calculations indicate that the condition occurs in about 1 out of every 250 to 500 children born as boys, and that about 1 in every 2500 males in the U.S. has already undergone surgical sex reassignment*. Transsexualism is thus more than twice as prevalent as multiple sclerosis (MS), cerebral palsy or cleft lip/palate conditions. Out of what, 300 million? And how many of them will contribute positively to society or to the gene pool? Or even, how many can? Surely, if as you say, they exactly duplicate heterosexuals except for 'one minor difference', they can be no more successful than their heterosexual counterparts. And I think we both can agree, that is none too successful.
Mike you are screwed in the head. Pedophiles don't make good parents.
Your sanity is refreshing. I'm happy that you take the time to post here. Thank You.
You are certainly welcome. Thank you for providing the site.
You are trying to lynch good parents and guardians as something they are not because of your bigotry against them. That little game kind of takes the wind out of the sails of any worry that your words on this are sane or based on reality. I can see it is frustrating to you to try to argue a point that has no substanse of reality to it. But that is your problem, not mine. Thus your attempt here to be abusive has no teeth to it.
Your reality ! Not the sane - moral world reality !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !
Oh no, the thread got a Boris on it.
Mike doesn't have a clue of what is right and wrong. Eugene Oregon has fried his brain.
You may enjoy sodomy but it will not result in pregnancy. That's why men and women were made a certain way, to ensure the possibility of continuing the family bloodlines.... And this also explains why homosexuality is a deviant behavior contrary to some peoples popular beliefs/rants..... Just because someone displays a certain behavior doesn't mean that it's acceptable...
"CHANGE" you can step in..... I don't even own a Bible Skippy, but my wife has 2!!!!! So is that what makes me a Right Wing bible thumper???? Just your opinion and your opinion alone????? So why don't you find proof that I'm a Right Wing Bible thumper and post it.... That's like your opinion of the homosexuals being different from mine...no article saying what you think, just your opinion.... So here I will give you something else to chew on .... www.mega.nu/ ampp/baldwin_pedophilia_homosexuality.pdf Just remember everyone has an agenda, and not everybody agrees with that agenda, so post what you will..... that's if you can spare the time..... By the way my agenda for today is to work on the truck, clean out the pumpkin patch and ensure I don't assume room temperature..... what's yours???
"CHANGE" you can step in..... So what? Are you trying to claim people should only have sex when a pregnancy will be the result,and that this should be the law of the land?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
If tomorrow,every human practiced the strictest mandates of fundamental Christianity and ONLY had sex in order to reproduce,the species would fail. The species would fail for two reasons. One is the majority of births were either the result of accidents or multiple incidents of intercourse. The ones that are the result of purposeful one time intercourse in order to reproduce are so low in number there wouldn't be enough of them to keep the human species from going extinct.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
I agree,and I honestly think that was his plan. After all,he named himself the "King of Pop",and named both of the white boys he bought "Prince". Ever heard of a King that didn't want offspring that looked like him?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
Nope. Just doesn't happen. BI-SEXUALS who are predominately heterosexual may experiment with homosexuality,but a true heterosexual would never even consider doing that. In the 1980s I provided the material for friends of mine to have a child who is a very healthy and happy little girl who loves her two Moms. She knows me casually but we have never shared this knowlege with her as there is no need to her having two excellent parents and role models to love and charish as parents. Uhhh,sooner or later it is going to occur to her that there was a red-headed Irishman in the woodpile. Especially once she starts taking biology classes in elementary school. Questions ARE going to be asked,and she deserves answers. it is illegal to discriminate against gays, lesbians and transgendered people in Eugene, Oregon in any way including in housing and employment. It is illegal for the GOVERNMENT to discriminate against them anywhere in the United States. This is according to the Bill of Rights. According to the Bill of Rights,it is also illegal for local,state,or the feral government to use the force of government to prevent PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS from discriminating against anydamnbody they want to discriminate against. This IS the law of the land,and no bullshit PC law passed in Eugene or anywhere else supercedes the Bill of Rights. Being openly homophobic here is not a good idea. It is very much a good way to wind up in jail in a hurry. Especially if you do it in the Whiteaker Neigborhood. If I were a wealthy man that could afford to pay the lawyers,you can bet your ass I would be in the Whiteaker area of Eugene tomorrow morning,screaming shit about dykes and faries at the top of my lungs and just hoping I would get arrested for it. By the time the dust settled I'd own the fucking city.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
Sounds like the leftist Thought Police are in firm control there,doesn't it? The good news is they are more than happy to ALLOW you to have all the Free Speech THEY THINK YOU NEED. Typical of the hypocrisy of the left. Or do they fine folks of Eugene simply enjoy the abuse of police power? I suspect some are more than happy to pay extra for it.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
That's true,but homosexuals may or MAY NOT be Pedophiles. Or do you think the heterosexual rape of a child is somehow more moral than the homosexual rape of a child?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
LOL! Boris has now became a adjective. I think a photo of a manure spreader might be more appropriate,though. Come to think of it,that would be an ideal avatar for Yukon on LP.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
That's true,but homosexuals may or MAY NOT be Pedophiles. Same kind of behavior. Sex perverts.
Where is it in the bill or rights that homosexuals have some right because of their choice to be perverts? Or did you mean that they have rights like the rest of us that have nothing to do with their hang up?
What a dumb statement. lol
You grew pumpkins this year huh. Did they do any good?
Now that is funny. I'd be rooting for you.
Same kind of behavior. Have you lost your fucking mind??????? How the HELL can you equate homosexual sex between two consenting adults with child rape?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
How the HELL can you equate homosexual sex between two consenting adults with child rape? They are both against the nautral use of the body. While child rape is worse as it doesn't have lawful consent. Both behaviors are still wrong and against nature.
Do you think homos should be allowed to adopt? What about how they are damaging this kid for life. Should they be allowed to do that? If not what should the penalty be?
ALL CITIZENS HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS. Ever heard of the Preamble to the US Constitution? It sets forth the goals and intents of the US Constitution. Read it and weep. We don't have "special classes" of citizens in this country with more rights than other citizens. Or at least we are not supposed to,despite the insanity brought forth by the Civil Wrongs Act of 1964. A citizen that just happens to be a homosexual has EXACTLY the same rights as you or me. No more and no fewer. EXACTLY the same rights. If it were any other way,it wouldn't be America.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
Don't know much about procreation,do you?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
Don't know much about procreation,do you? Nothing to do with procreation. Your statement was just dumb. But your other statements were spot on.
Yeah the exact same thing I said in my post 93 that you didn't bother with. That doesn't include marriage though. And it isn't discrimination as marriage has a definition of a man and a woman. Any homo man can marry any homo woman. Two homo men will never be married no matter how much you or faggot Mike cries about it.
Yeah,Freedom of Speech is only good when you agree with it,huh? The truth is you either have it,or you don't have it. There are no gray areas. The reason it is guaranteed in the Bill of Rights is NOT to protect "speech" that is popular and that everybody agrees with,it is to protect unpopular speech. Unpopular speech is the canary in the coal mine of freedom. Any branch of government that has or is allowed to exert the power to suspend unpopular speech (YAY,HOMOS!)also has the right to suspend "popular" speech (in your case,"AH HATE HOMOS!")like they do in Eugene. We are either all free,or none of us are free. It really is that simple.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
That is a funny rant in light of Obamas assassination and your comments regarding it. You have some hypocrisy in your statements. But we all do at times.
I grew both the small decorative pumpkins and the large Big Max pumpkins that can reach 100 lbs.... Both did pretty well and ended up occupying over twice the space I alloted for them... I probably have about 12 pumpkins that weigh somewhere between 75 and 100 lbs, along with some others in the 50-60 lb range... The decoratives grew like crazy I probably have around 50 or more of those.... The biggest problem was all the wet weather we've had in the last month. Some of them don't look too swift on the bottom so don't know how long they will last.... Hopefully until we get a hard freeze.... I also grew some peppers, Fresno, New Mexico, Banana, Habanero and Cubanelles.... They did really well too... Am going to stem and seed them, and then vaccum pack them and toss them in the freezer... Hopefully that works well because I'm not much into canning.....
"CHANGE" you can step in..... Do you freeze the pulp to make pumpkin pies and cookies?
Wrong. Sex with a minor being a crime is a fairly recent social/cultural decision. For most of history there were no laws against it. As for the whole "natural" thing,that is ENTIRELY your opinion on what is natural. For a homosexual,it would be unnatural to have sex with someone of the opposite gender. Just as unnatural as it would be for you or I to have sex with another man. While child rape is worse... At least you are still rational enough to recognize that. as it doesn't have lawful consent. Any laws that prohibit homosexuals adults from having homosexual sex in private are UN-Constitutional. A homosexuals right to have sex with another homosexual is no more dependent on your approval than your right to have sex with a woman is dependent on the approval of a homosexual. Rights are rights,not permissions.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
Depends on the individuals and conditions involved. In some cases,yes,and in other cases,no. Your question is akin to asking if "single people should be allowed to adopt",or "should poor people be allowed to adopt?". What about how they are damaging this kid for life. It is ludicrous for you to suggest that all children adopted or raised by homosexuals are damaged for life. Are you implying that all children raised by heterosexuals are raised in ideal circumstances and have perfect lives? I can guarantee you that you are overdue for a really big shock if you think that is the case. BTW,I was adopted by a heterosexual family that did their best for me,but had two uncles that were preachers whose children weren't allowed to play with me when I was 6 years old BECAUSE I was adopted. I even had one tell me when I was a child that "you might be the spawn of Satan for all we know!" THESE people are typical of the type of people that are against homosexuals adopting children without any regard whatsoever to the conditions of the adoption. Their and YOUR ONLY "reasons" for taking this stand is because of your religious beliefs. For example,you would prevent an adult male or female homosexual from adopting their minor brothers or sisters if the parents were to suddenly die in a accident or murder. "RIGHT THINKING" people like YOU would rather see the minor children go into a home for children than see them adopted by a loving family member,purely because that family member is a homosexual. You should be ashamed of yourself,both as an American and as a self-professed Christian.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
No... I just grow them for decoration.... The wife loves to decorate for Halloween and Thanksgiving so why not grow some and let her run wild..... Have you checked out the price of pumpkins this year???? WOW!!!!
"CHANGE" you can step in..... Is the price high? I might come get some of them for pulp. We freeze it and make killer pumpkin cookies.
Nothing to do with procreation. Your statement was just dumb. Really? Do you really think that each and every case of heterosexual sex results in a pregnancy?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
I went by Home Cheapo yesterday and they wanted $4.98 for small pumpkins weighing less than 10 lbs and $6.98 for those in the 10-20 lb range....
"CHANGE" you can step in..... That doesn't include marriage though. Yeah,they have the same rights,except for when they don't,right? And it isn't discrimination as marriage has a definition of a man and a woman. No,it doesn't. Look up the definition in any dictionary. For example,a welder "marries" two pieces of steel together when he joins them. Any homo man can marry any homo woman. Two homo men will never be married no matter how much you or faggot Mike cries about it. HorseHillary. These are your religious superstitions speaking,NOT facts. Marriage is a CIVIL/SOCIAL act,not a religious act. You and your fellow religious cult members or the members of any other religious cult have a absolute right to determine who may and who may not be married within your religion by one of your cult leaders,but you do NOT have the authority nor will you EVER have the authority to make the determination as to who can and can not be married in a civil ceremony.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
of course not. But your statement is just dumb and untrue. It's ok we can disagree. It doesn't matter much as it is a hypothetical.
I'll just call you a dumb ass on this one. No need addressing it.
Barry didn't assassinate anybody,and I seriously doubt he was even consulted about it even though it was done in his name. And I find it more than strange that you would equate killing somebody for working for the violent overthrow of your nation and murdering other citizens with adoption or having sex.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
Yup. Just me and that "goddamned piece of paper called the Constitution."
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
No one who wrote the constitution or supported it ever dreamed it would be for queer marriage. Despite your soft spot for deviants. Show me one founding father that supported queers pretending they are married. You have one serious mental fuck up. Get help.
Your hatred and fear of homosexuals has made you as thick as a brick,hasn't it? The Constitution is NOT "for homosexual marriage" any more than it it is "for religious superstition and fears". It's for and about individual freedoms. It's about recognizing the RIGHT of individuals to live their own lives as they see fit. Despite your soft spot for deviants. I don't have a soft spot for deviants any more than I have a soft spot for stupid motherfuckers that believe in mythical creatures that live in the sky. Show me one founding father that supported queers pretending they are married. Show me one that spoke against it,or against individual freedoms and the right of citizens to live their lives as they wish.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
You'll never get that the Constitution is "Rules For Government" not "Rules For People".
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I think a photo of a manure spreader might be more appropriate,though." He is a Polaroid camera in a digital world. his mind is partial phased into anther universe somewhere. But he can be entertaining. That is something an asshole like yukon can't say.
So I take it then then you have psychology and sociology degrees and can analyse Eugene, Oregon and me? Shouldn't talk like you do if in fact you don't. With as much truoble you have in figuring things out I would worry mainly about your crap, not my mental ecology, sport.
Eugene is a university town and was an enclave for the counterculture that has molded it's character and the flavor of life here quite a bit. But it is also an old logging and mill center at the base of an agricultural valley. THe old can clash with the more recent layers of culture here. We have an independent police oversight board and the citizens actually have better oversight of the police here then in some places. It's like any other place with things that are good like the law against discrimination, and bad things like drunken student riots on campus on Halloween.
Your anti constitutional beliefs are showing again. What do you have against free speech and free association?
vive la différence
Seriously? That's a mandate of fundamental Christianity? I never heard that before. I always thought 'go forth and multiply' was a Biblical command and in no way not a limitation on how often a person could have sex. I have read some Puritans had some similar belief (a general disapproval/avoidance of anything that provided pleasure) but I've never actually met anyone who professed such a belief.
The U.S. Constitution protects minorities against the whims and caprice of majorities. I If you associate and organize to harrass and harm people because you don't like what two consenting adults do in the pricacy of their bedroom, it is you who go against the spirit and purpose of the U.S. Constitution. Free speech works because people are respmnsible for their words. So if I organize to harrass the dog shit out of people for the purpose of stealing their social status, housing or job because I hate say blue eyed people, I would be jus as wrong as someone doing the same for a triviality concerning the private relationships of people. Conspiring to do criminal harm to people andto destroy them is not protected by the First Amendment any more then yelling fire in a crowded theater is. It is you who have the disease of hatred and intolerence. Twisting the Constitution to serve your problems concerning hatred and immaturity gets you no where. Homosexuals have the right to speak freely about who they are and their relationships, and they have the right to form associations to fight haters and baiters like you. Why do you hate the Constitution so much you would deny them these rights if you could? And it's strange to see someone who will change someone else's words and replace them with twisted words of hatred and intolerence, which is what you do to the people who own the intellectual rights to a piece and you change so much as the title for it they have given it. I would say the first thig you need to do is to stop stealing the words of another and replacing them with your own. Because on that count alone you have no room to lecture anyone else about the First Amendment.
Absolutely not. My claim is as follows: homosexual acts between humans (as gratifying as those acts may be) cannot and will not result in the furtherance of the species via biological inheritance. Just ain't gonna happen.
Ain't that the truth.
The 'acts' do not live in a vacuum. It is a web of human relationships that form the society where children are brought into the world. People are influenced by their family and friends, and part of the influence that helps people decide to have children is the relationships around them. Older people cannot have children, but their lives can serve as a reinforcement to others to have kids. Success in a relationship and how someone runs their life can inspire people deciding to brave the trials and cost of having kids even if these friends doing so are a same gender couple. There is never ever an indictment against a relationship purely on direct child bearing abilities. Especially as it is very evident that not currently having the means to directly procreate within the relationship does not ever mean folks like these never have kids. They in fact very often do before their current relationship, or they finds means to do this within said relationship. Your argument does not have merit.
Then you might wish to cite the medical case where human homosexual activity has resulted in pregnancy. If such an event ever happened, it must surely have been mentioned in one medical journal or another. Simply claiming homosexuality is a boon to humankind without any supporting evidence is rather unconvincing especially given the raft of evidence to the contrary.
True,and unlike Yukon,Boris is actually very intelligent on those days when his mind is hitting on all 8 cylinders.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
It's more than that,it has always been a communist enclave within the US. Is it Eugene or Portland that has a city park with statues of prominent communists that helped overthrow the Czar? It's like any other place with things that are good like the law against discrimination, This is NOT a good thing when those laws are targeted at individuals and throttling Free Speech,and there is no way you can spin it to justify them.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
Seriously? Yes,seriously. That's a mandate of fundamental Christianity? Of course not. Just the inevitable result if society were to ever embrace the strictest dicates of Christianity,where the only purpose of sex is to procreate. Taken to it's logical conclusion,even young couples that have trouble conceiving wouldn't be allowed to have sex.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
Yes,it does. It ALSO protects the majority from the whims and caprices of minorities. Somehow you and the other leftists always seem to overlook THAT. Probably because not a single one of you has the guts to look at the horrors of a democracy because democracy is the root of your foolish belief system. Conspiring to do criminal harm to people andto destroy them is not protected by the First Amendment any more then yelling fire in a crowded theater is. You don't believe that,or you wouldn't support shit like the Civil Wrongs Act of 1964,busing,minority preferences in hiring and promotions,quotas,affirmative action,etc,etc,etc. Twisting the Constitution to serve your problems concerning hatred and immaturity gets you no where. No,it doesn't. Why do you do it?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
No argument there. The argument is with the line of thinking that allows (yeah,just like it could be prevented!)heterosexual couples to enjoy recreational sex in private,while denying homosexual couples this same right,and then basing your prejudices on the fact that homosexual couples can't reproduce. I am NOT saying this is what YOU think. I am saying this seems to be what a lot of people on the anti-homosexual bandwagon seem to think. I have no particular love for homosexuals or the "homosexual lifestyle",but this is America,and ALL Americans have the same legal RIGHTS. If the government can get away with using their power to arrest or fine homosexuals for having sex,the government also has the same authority to arrest heterosexuals for having sex. We are either all free,or none of us is free.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
I agree that's the way it should be. But it seems some groups have (and other groups want) special protections.
Special protections from what? Being legislated against?
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Having their sensitive feeling hurt, dick.
You made the statement, vagina. What "special protections" are "they" demanding beyond wanting to be left alone?
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I already have. It's very common for homosexual couples to add to the ranks of people willing to give good homes to kids that need them. They also use surrogate means to create children other then the ones they may of had with an opposite gender partner. This is a pointless dance on the point of a needle by you as you pick on one way people can be together who do not have the means to bear young. Unless you are a proponent of having means testing to prove fertility for bearing young and prohibiting all others to not be married, you are wasting my time with this foolish argument.
Statues? We have the venerable Rosa Parks in the city bus mall downtown. Eugene Skinner who gave Eugene and Skinner's Butte their names by being the city founder in the 1850s and 60s. We have a statue of Ken kesey at broadway and Willamette Street, which is ground zero in Eugene. And at the Lane County Courthouse is Wayne Lyman Morse in the Wayne Morse Free Speech Plaza. He was a man who served oregon in the Senate well as both a Republican and a Democrat. most notibly he voted against the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution getting us deeply ensconced into the Vietnam War. his ranch is also a city park and is where wild animal rehabilitation takes place locally. The only city museum though is the Sheldon McMurphy Johnson house build by Dr. Shelton on the foot to Skinner's butte in 1888 to replace his first Queen Ann's lace residence which was burned down by disgruntaled workers. he was one of the founders of the Knights of the Golden Order and was very racist, believing non whites should not be allowed perminant residence in Oregon. On the Butte used to be a huge Cross which Eugene Sand and Gravel had put up in the early 60s to replace the series of wooden ones that initially were meant to warn African Americans, Chinese ethnic and other non whites not to hand around should they rail road into the Eugene Rail Station. The cross overlooked that. Prominant local lawyer and former District 4 Representative to the U.S. House of Representatives Charlie Porter lead a long fight that eventually got thhe cross removed as a religious icon that did not belong on public land. that is the long and short of Eugene statues and the like. Except for the other expectibles like the generic Pioneer Woman seated in her 1800s finery at the University of Oregon which also has a couple more that are just blurs in my brain housing group.
Somehow you and the other leftists always seem to overlook THAT." A small religious minority is more in danger of a large one, and the Constitution addresses that. The majorities often have more then enough means to defend themselves and to flourish. The Constitution in this sense just levels the playing feild and makes things fairer for all. I support and have supported Civil Right Legislation, and preferences were meant to be a temperary measure to help make up for some of the injustices of the past. You may not agree with this point of view, which is your right. I also support further legislation to help protect people against bigotry directed at homosexuals, transgendered folks and other people who get turned into wedge issues. And that sort of support is not limited to people on the left side of the political spectrum, it is a great place for righties to reside too.
'Special protection' has been the code words for fight for the status quo since the start of the Civil Rights Movement. We had the Oregon Citizen's Alliance rehash that in their unsuccessful attempts to criminalized and oppress gays, Lesbians and the Transgendered in Oregon in recent decades, and this deceptive labelling of actions that fight the hatred and oppression such as Sebastian and others enjoy to support will always be popular with them.
Yeah,but only because it IS that way. This needs to be changed.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
Must be Portland,then. One of the statues they have is of an American doctor from Portland that was Stalin's personal physician,and who went to Russia to help fight the Revolution there. He was played by Warren Beatty in the movie "Reds".
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
Nice spin. All those words and you STILL manage to ignore the rights of the majority while still defending the special un-Constitutional "rights" of minorities. DOES the majority have the same rights as minorities or not,and if they don't HOW can you justify special laws promoting women when they are a majority? I support and have supported Civil Right Legislation, and preferences were meant to be a temperary measure to help make up for some of the injustices of the past. Uh,huh. I suspect those laws will end once whites become a minority,since they were never about anything other than holding whites back from the start. I guess you feel good about that? I also support further legislation to help protect people against bigotry directed at homosexuals, transgendered folks and other people who get turned into wedge issues. M0RE leftist bullshit. They are ALREADY protected by the Constitution. What you and the other leftists want is SPECIAL protection given to them. And that sort of support is not limited to people on the left side of the political spectrum, it is a great place for righties to reside too. WRONG! Those of us on the right support EQUAL treatment for all citizens,but do NOT support "special rights". You can NOT give one class of citizens special rights without trampling on the rights of the other citizens.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
Us on the real right consider you as somewhat of a leftist. You would redefine words to give the homos a special right to change meanings of words.
I've followed this thread with interest and, at times amusement as you fall over each other trying to "define" words. The "majority" to the Framers had nothing to do with raw numbers and everything to do with WHO COULD CONTROL THE LAWS AND THE LEGAL SYSTEM. It's why they rejected democracy, or "majority" rule, and opted for a system of both proportionate representation - the House - and disproportionate, yet co-equal, representation - The Senate as the means for law making. Our whole system was designed to be one of consensus in which the majority would prevail WITHOUT trampling or diminishing the rights of the minority. Do you get it? MAJORITY being the consensus that emerged and prevailed. MINORITY being those who were not part of the process or who did not prevail. And while I can accept the argument that the Framers never anticipated a society in which gays and lesbians could live openly, they were wise enough to craft a system that allowed FUTURE generations to determine what laws, protections and immunities were necessary to their CONTEMPORANEOUS needs.
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"Us on the real right..."???? Give me a bleeping break! There is NO way you can be a religious freak and be a right-winger. Christianity INVENTED leftism,and Marx recognized it as his greatest competition.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
So,what are you trying to say? Are you saying that the the typical Dim voter is now the majority and that things are as they should be because ignorant people and even dead people vote Dim consistently?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
You and your homo propaganda isn't fooling anyone freakypete. Lefty.
Your leftist argument is akin to me demanding the right to go in the womans restroom. Lefty.
If you are smart you will never/ever visit a womens public bathroom!!!! I used to do janitors work on Sundays when I worked for Ponderosa as a teenager, trust me when I say "stay out"!!!!
"CHANGE" you can step in..... Indeed I did,dick. Employment Non-Discrimination Act, dick. Get someone to read it to you, dick. Then find someone to explain it to you, dick.
And it makes as much sense now as it did then, Vag. None. Employment Non-Discrimination Act, dick. What about it, Vag? Get someone to read it to you, dick. Some of us can read on our own, Vag. Then find someone to explain it to you, dick. And some of us can understand what it is that we read, Vag. Are you going to get around to answering the original question, Vag: Special protections from what? Being legislated against? PS: ENDA isn't law.
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I used to do janitors work on Sundays when I worked for Ponderosa as a teenager, trust me when I say "stay out"!!!! Doesn't give you that familiar sense of comfort of home because there's not enough pee on the floor?
LOL! There is no need for me to fool you. You have fooled yourself into thinking you are a conservative,even though you think there should be different classes of citizens with different rights. Mussolini,Hitler,Stalin,Mao,and Castro all agree with you,not me.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
Find out what leftism is,and then get back with me,comrade.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
Really? I thought you guys were all for going back to the era of chamber pots.
You have the root of his problem; an addiction to hatred. Stone has dehumanized in his mind anyone who doesn't love in the party line of his version of religion. Even someone who is beyond any doubt a conservative, if you refuse to dehumanize someone he hates like they were a demon and a different species. He is hard to put up with. I feel sorry for him, but that only goes so far. I have pretty much had enough of his crap. If people like yo were not here, I wouldn't be here anymore at all. He did the same crap in 4UM he does here, but he can't play respectful or nice, so he gets banned most places because he is so hard to tolerate. If he didn't have his own pop stand here, the poor tyke would be virtually without a forum to go to. When I was a little boy, I loathed black people and fat people like they were the devil incarnate. I remember one horrible occasion where I made a cafeteria wide scene crying and pouting because I was forced to sit next to a very overweight girl. Yiu see, I was reflexting my Mom's disease of bigotry and hatred. When I got older I started reading books by Richard Wright, John Howard Griffin, and many other accounts of people who triumphed over the hatred of bigotry and I healed. There is one man I can never get his face out of my head from my Army days. He was a friend who worked in PAC and was one of those typewriter commandos who actually went the extra mile to searve people well who needed administration actions, record and other work done. He had been promoted ahead of his peers and I got to kow him well enough to be invited over to his trailer in Raeford, N.C. It was eye opening to have a group of friends like that who helped distroy my last remaning bigotry toward homosexual people. No one in his circle who were gay ever went beyond checking where my head was at and my sexuality was very much respected. I came to realize my dislike of gays was also an affactation. It remained long after I should of known better then to hate because like other hetreosexual boys and men, I absolutely did not want any harrassment or mistake made about my sexuality. I lreaned my hatred was based on my fear of the people who viewed themselves as the enforcer of homophobia. Once I learned homosexuals were no different then other folks, I no longer feared or hated a sexual imprinting of their's that affects no one adversely. I no longer hare who speeps with who as long as they are consenting, and not related biologically too close. He was outted by someone who picked the lock on his personal briefcase and eavesdropped on personal mail he had in it from his boyfriend. I remember seeing him after he was forced to move back into the barracks, was busted to E-1 and was bullied unmercify by the baiters and haters with mindsets like stone. He didn't deserve what he got, and it made a huge impression on me. Which is why when the idiot here tried to bait me as possiblt being gay or whatever, I ignore him knowing he's responsible to handle his own hatred, and it can't infect me or hurt me anymore. Now the only time I hate a gay guy or lesbian is if they steal, lie, or are a general scoundrel and SOB anyway. If they function well in society, have a good job and care about their community at large, then what they do in their own bedroom does not bother me in the least. Whom they love ain't my affair or business. Stone can keep on using his religion as an excuse, but he does not fool me. His hatred and intolerence is a disease that has no real standing even in the Christian faith. And one can be conservative and gay or lesbian or not bigotted against them. Maybe he'll wake up and realize this one day. I sure hope so, but I'm sure glad I don't have to put up with the SOB live and in person in my home city.
And there it is. All the other words you wrote were filler,and the ones above are the hard core of reality. Beyond that,it makes not one bit of difference at all who anyone,including you,I,or Stone,likes or dislikes because ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS. MY rights are NOT dependent of your approval,any more than YOUR rights are dependent on MY approval. If they did,they would be permissions,not rights. It ain't even about liking or hating someone or even liking and hating their politics because all that is irrelevant. None of us are required to like anybody despite the PC police being out in full force everywhere you go trying to insist we all MUST think the same. What we are ALL required to do by the US Constitution is to accept that other American citizens have the same rights WE have,and you have to be a total fucking idiot to not be able to recognize the indisputable FACT that if we ain't all free,NONE of us are free. ANY government that has the authority to tell homosexuals what kind of sex they CAN'T have also has the authority to tell thee and me what kind of sex we MUST have. It boggles the imagination that people can't see something that blindingly obvious. It ain't like it hasn't be proven over and over all through history. Probably the most famous example is "I didn't protest when they came to take the Jews away because I wasn't a Jew......". Whether some people like it or not,we are all passengers on the same boat. With all that implies.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
Take it or leave it, dick.
Chuckles...PMS, Vag? You cited legislation that has never passed a chamber as proof of what? That like any other Snappin' Gyro you talk a lot while really saying nothing?
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Suffer from ADD, dick? Focus, dick. You just may be able to figure it out, dick. But whether you can or can't, dick, that's all you get.
I'm not the Vag here, Vag. Focus, dick. For some reason "focus" and "dick" seems to be an intuitively interactive dynamic for you... You just may be able to figure it out, dick. I HAVE it figured out Captain Clitty of the SS Bearded Clam..you need to get the last word in without saying anything - just like any other vag...
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Might be time for you just to pack up your diddy-bag and head on off to another thread, dick. You're starting to drool all over this one, dick.
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I'm with ya, dude.
------------------------------------- Mike, I admire your peace and love approach to life....well, mostly. You mean well. HOWEVER, your hatred of Tea Party/Conservative folk is your one exemption of your Life's Rule. Oh btw - homosexuals ARE different than other folks, and so are transvestites and transgendered people. VERY different. Moreover, your acceptance and blind obedience for the queer militancy movement is obvious. Yes, there ARE militants and "enforcers" *of* that movement as well. Even you inferred some kind of stereotypical "southern sheriff-like" retribution in this thread for those who demonstrate "homophobic" behavior in Eugene. What an effed up place it must be. Geez.... Stone can keep on using his religion as an excuse, but he does not fool me. His hatred and intolerence is a disease that has no real standing even in the Christian faith. The gay militancy and entitlement is what Stone hates. I can relate. WTH must we be compelled to "tolerate" gay militancy? The gay Nazis don't want "tolerance," they *demand* respect. Nope, ain't happening. You unfortunately support this retributive war, hatred and entitlement by gays - which is the same retributive war, hatred and entitlement ALL the "minority" tribes and groups demand these days. The focal point of their guns and convenient bogeyman "oppressor" of their respective fascism is white/Christian/Euro/hetero society. This is about....POWER. Not equality. NOT "rights."
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Gawd...lol. What a dysfunction pair.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Get someone to read it to you, dick. Then find someone to explain it to you, dick. You've nailed in in this thread; War and his selectively-tolerant Leftist brethren aren't not exactly interested in the truth of the matter. He and they are just stoking the fires of their anarchical socialist wet-dream uprising of misfits, freaks, and mutants. ANY-thing that bolsters their warped vision of a total cluster-FUBAR America.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
mininggold posted on 2011-10-04 10:22:53 ET W T F
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
As was pointed out ENDA isn't law.
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IOW, it's a socialist, parasitic diseased cuckoo's nest of mental cases, poly-sexuals, new age freaks, and anti-family misfits who publicly urinate on the normal, traditional, and sane. How does a Eugene resident remain sane in that environment?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Correct you are Libby...TRUE freedom is found in CONFORMITY...
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No doubt you would fit into the Bethel District or north Eugene very well. We are large enough a city now no one demographic holds the other hostage. I live in the Whiteaker District where the mayor Kitty Percy resides as well. I would say that the Whit does have an epic number of Lesbian couples, but that is merely the testament to hatred an enclave's members took refuge from. And if this is a 'ghetto,' more parts of the U.S. should be one too. Kids are well loved and protected in the most liberal part of Eugene, homes look great, the people are friendly and there are a lot of really sharp and well educated folks in my neck of the woods. So you are welcome to your little stereotype of a put down, but I am here for a reason; I don't know any place i would rather be. If we have any problems, it's gentrification, and that crazy guy Charie that hangs around Tiny's Tavern. I think he's one of Stone's relatives, he really should do something about him.
So,what are you trying to say? Are you saying that the the typical Dim voter is now the majority and that things are as they should be because ignorant people and even dead people vote Dim consistently? HA! This must be one of those 0bama-moments....sumpin like "elections have consequences".... HALLELUJAH!! The Dim-Rat voter tsunami of the dead and monochromatic brain-dead socialists is about to steamroll their (cough, hack) oppressors. God forbid the day the Left and their allied caucuses of entitled, embittered discontented fascists-socialists metastasize and finally gain numerical superiority (which is fast approaching.) It'll make the first Civil War seem like nail salon skirmish.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Of course you are only free if you conform, comply, submit, and don't bend, fold or mutilate. There should be a nice, neat box for everything, and they must be placed in exactly the right spot. (SIC)
Just because you filled in the blanks here for Yeltsin, it doesn't seem to reveal any more cogence than the abridged version...
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HIs response will be that it's not the "right kind" of people...
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He would be like the occasional conserva-nutzie who moves to the Whit and is horrified that he can't erect a tall fence to block the view of say a lesbian couple's well kept hope with it's solar panels and a Volt car in the driveway across the street from him. (horrors!) He would go to the planning department and rail agains the socialistic people who like neighborhoods, not boxed properties. He would call the police in panic the first time he saw a topless lesbian couple talking at Scobert park and embellish his call to 911 with a detail or two like he saw them kiss a couple of times too. They would politely ask if these women were doing anything illegal and then try to gently explain being topless is not a crime in Eugene. this would burst one of his blood vessels if he was one of these folks who have moved in and either learned to blend in in a friendly way, or to wind up moving to another part of town.... like the bethel or North Eugene -- which actually has *GASP!* gated communities great for keeping us safer by keeping nuts who live there in one place off by themselves.
Is that where the area's normal people live? :-) Has there been any talk of walling off their town border? We are large enough a city now no one demographic holds the other hostage. But collectively the city's goobermint no doubt is infested and controlled by the birds-of-a-feather oddballs and anti-Christians, thus holding normal citizens hostage to the whims of their oddball constituency. Though your city has a right to govern as it sees fit (as long as it's governed constitutionally), I feel remorse for families who've resided there for generations. I live in the Whiteaker District where the mayor Kitty Percy resides as well...I would say that the Whit does have an epic number of Lesbian couples, but that is merely the testament to hatred an enclave's members took refuge from. Michael, I don't believe it's a "hatred" at all; It's a resentment of queer folk who *demand* acceptance and respect of their sexual status and overt/public demonstrations of affection. Ain't happening, bro. And if this is a 'ghetto,' more parts of the U.S. should be one too. Kids are well loved and protected in the most liberal part of Eugene, homes look great, the people are friendly and there are a lot of really sharp and well educated folks in my neck of the woods. A "ghetto"? No, not quite. An "enclave" was more like it. And as you know, most queer people are far more wealthy than straight people. And more "educated." Moreover, we both know queers are very committed to hiring and blatantly favoring their own - just like the other "minority" tribes and cults. This to the point of most likely violating EEOC laws (which we also know would NEVER be enforced against gay/black/Latino bosses) So you are welcome to your little stereotype of a put down, but I am here for a reason; I don't know any place i would rather be. Many stereotypes happen to be true, Mike. FWIW, I'm glad you are happy in Eugene. But it is what it is. If we have any problems, it's gentrification, and that crazy guy Charie that hangs around Tiny's Tavern. I think he's one of Stone's relatives, he really should do something about him. The gentrification phenomena has taken place in several NJ towns near NYC and along the Jersey coastal towns. It's a good thing IMO. As to Stone's cousin/uncle hanging at Tiny's, give 'em a break. He's now an oppressed "minority" who's merely misunderstood and looking for respect and acceptance of his straight lifestyle. ;-p
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Are they *your* kind of people? Secondly, between you and Mike I'm afraid there'd be a shortage of Spandex pelts in Eugene if you two ever shared the town (or whatever else - not that there's anything wrong with that.)
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
I tried to chuckle....but it just wasn't happening.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Hey - you can be however deviant and halloweenish as you'd like. Nobody's stopping you from wearing your lycra-spandex jumpsuit with a pair of 5" stillettos... But just don't demand the rest of us pretend your sporting a black strap-on on your head is "just an accessory."
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Absolute bullsh*t. NO seven year old is that wrapped up and disturbed over their sexual identity. The mutant bull-dyke "mothers" are blatant criminal child-abusers. This case is a disgrace.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Neither was I...
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Thanks, Libby. You win birther, er, brother of the week for that one...
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He sure loves the homo talk, eh. How long till he has a 'I posted the wrong link' moment.
------------------------------------- That's "birf-er."
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
You sure like mulling over the phrase "homo-talk." If I had to venture a guess, I'd say this thread mirrors your own biography...in certain respects.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
I don't know. I have never met them. I've encountered more hetero assholes than I do gay or lesbian. One of my life long friends is gay and I helped him reconcile with his dad 10 years after he came out to him and got disowned. I'm not sure that I have ever met anyone transgendered. Suspected and s/he was a decent sort. Secondly, between you and Mike I'm afraid there'd be a shortage of Spandex pelts in Eugene if you two ever shared the town (or whatever else - not that there's anything wrong with that.) www.trivillage.com should allay those fears...
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Yukon lite...I believe that it was Libby who jumped on the Volkswagen when I stated that my commuter car is a Passat because, dontcha know, it's not sucking cock that makes a man gay, it's the car that he drives...
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Doesn't give you that familiar sense of comfort of home because there's not enough pee on the floor? Yea right, whatever..... It was what was stuck on the walls that had to be scraped off with a putty knife that was repugnent.... little white mice!!!!
"CHANGE" you can step in..... No thanks. This place is already spandex-hell in a hand basket.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
T F Don't ask.... LOL.... You probably wouldn't get a coherent answer anyway....
"CHANGE" you can step in..... ...dontcha know, it's not sucking cock that makes a man gay, it's the car that he drives... That's funny - I wish it were me who'd said it... The second part of your prose is the stuff of Dem/socialist taglines...who just happen to drive VWs or Subarus. Isn't THAT odd how that worked out?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
You probably wouldn't get a coherent answer anyway.... LMAO! Btw, in a related matter, GREAT tagline.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
If nothing else it will be the day our economy collapses and riots begin as all the "free stuff" disappears because there is nobody left to work and pay for it. Or willing to work to pay for it for other people.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
I agree. Unless he has been tutored,there isn't a 7 year old around that even knows what a sexual identity is,much less one complaining about it. Plain and simple,this kid is a sexual political statement by two radical leftist lesbians that hate men. Kinda reminds me of a black guy I used to know that was adopted and raised by two white shrinks as a social experiment to prove a point. His mind was ALL messed up.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... "Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--
Doesn't give you that familiar sense of comfort of home because there's not enough pee on the floor? mininggold posted on 2011-10-04 10:22:53 ET W T F :) Lib...I bozoed that needle tracked truck stop mattress months ago. The WTF comment was likely what she posted in between searching for a non collapsed vein.
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way. (decided to retire the beatdowns on old worthless retread posters that are bozoed)
That proves you're not Dick Tracy, dick.
Ao contraire, Captain Clitty, I have an official designation from Detective Tracy hisself that I am indeed a valued Junior Crime Fighter.
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Congratulations, dick! And the thread got a thousand views, dick. Thanks for playing along, dick, it's been a hoot!
Look Mildred!!! NIGGERS!!!! war posted on 2011-10-03 14:29:18 ET
Well of course you care about such a BIG number...being the small, yet sensitive patch of skin that you are, Captain Clitty... One of my threads had over 1000 replies... Try harder...
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
Thanks for playing along, dick, it's been a hoot! Yeah right, every click on the thread is counted as a view. I just gave you five more as a gift.
Every little bit helps.
Look Mildred!!! NIGGERS!!!! war posted on 2011-10-03 14:29:18 ET
Sounds too much like work, dick
Look Mildred!!! NIGGERS!!!! war posted on 2011-10-03 14:29:18 ET
Oh...that's right...you're a clit...it's someone else's job to take care of you...
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
Thomas liked to read Wonder Woman comic books and play with dolls.
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#2. To: Sebastian (#0)
His two lesbian mothers, who adopted him aged two, say that they have been criticised by friends and family, but insist they have not forced their son to become a girl.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff? 
#3. To: All (#2)
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#4. To: Biff Tannen (#3)
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#5. To: Biff Tannen (#1)
Thomas liked to read Wonder Woman comic books and play with dolls.
Tammy, Biffy the adopted son of two lesbians who started sex change aged 8 because he has always maintained he is a girl'
#6. To: Capitalist Eric (#2)
This perfectly demonstrates why homos should NOT be allowed to adopt children.
#7. To: Capitalist Eric (#4)
To Biffy: "LOL. Another attempt at wit, eh?"
#8. To: Sebastian (#0)
His parents, Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel, say that their son, who they claim was depressed at a younger age and threatened to chop of his own penis, is now much happier.
#9. To: Sebastian (#0)
His two lesbian mothers, who adopted him aged two,
#10. To: Sebastian (#0)
The couple were married in 1990
#11. To: Sebastian (#0)
Here is Tammy with her mothers
#12. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
#13. To: Sebastian (#0)
At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, therapists and psychiatrists diagnosed Tammy with gender identity disorder.
#14. To: A K A Stone (#10)
They are not married. Only men and women can be married.
#15. To: mininggold (#14)
#16. To: Biff Tannen (#3)
So far I've only got the second dumbest comment on the thread.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#17. To: Biff Tannen (#1)
What's wrong with that?
#18. To: Capitalist Eric (#2)
This perfectly demonstrates why homos should NOT be allowed to adopt children.
#19. To: A K A Stone (#15)
The guy isn't a rabbi. He is a pretend Rabbi.
#20. To: A K A Stone (#9)
These queers are fucking up the next generation.
#21. To: A K A Stone (#11)
Gee I wish Jerry Brown would have them executed for crimes against this innocent little boy.
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#22. To: A K A Stone (#12)
"If you defend this you are a worthless freak piece of trash. Do you defend it or do you have some sanity?"
#23. To: CZ82, A K A Stone (#21)
Do you actually think Jerry Brown is going to do anything about this????
#24. To: Skip Intro (#23)
Are you in favor of governors executing people just because they feel like it, like Stone is?
#25. To: Skip Intro (#23)
Are you in favor of governors executing people just because they feel like it, like Stone is?
#26. To: mininggold (#24)
Tea Baggers in general appear to love and admire despots.
#27. To: Skip Intro (#23)
Do you actually think Jerry Brown is going to do anything about this???? Tell me, what should he do about Cher? After all, Chaz was her daughter originally. Should she be executed, too?
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#28. To: mininggold (#24)
(Edited)
"Tea Baggers in general appear to love and admire despots."
#29. To: A K A Stone (#25)
(Edited)
drug them to suppress their natural growth.
#30. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone (#28)
I notice is sexist nature comes through when he talks about the transformation physically from male to female is a process of "stunting someone's growth."
#31. To: A K A Stone (#26)
Tea Baggers in general appear to love and admire despots.
#32. To: mininggold (#30)
(Edited)
#33. To: CZ82 (#27)
If the court decides it's your time to assume room temperature for some crime you've commited then so be it.....
#34. To: A K A Stone (#25)
#35. To: A K A Stone (#25)
I favor executing people who fuck with little kids and drug them to suppress their natural growth.
#36. To: A K A Stone (#25)
I favor executing people who fuck with little kids and drug them to suppress their natural growth.
#37. To: lucysmom (#31)
Tea Baggers in general appear to love and admire despots.
#38. To: Skip Intro (#33)
I saw no mention of the courts in Stone's response, did you?
#39. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
I'm sure Stone is not so judgemental about people who do far more dangerous things like smoke tobacco
#40. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
Some transgender people cannot transition with surgery or hormones yet function better just assuming the more comfortable gender role for them.
#41. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
There is no need to get hung up on the meds. Theu are only prescribed with periotic examinations and blood work anyway,
#42. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
Anyone can change their name legally to better match their gender identification in any state and change the gender marker on the driver's licenses and other ID in most states along with doing that.
#43. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
Once someone settles into being who they identify as, they should be left alone and have their rights and social status protected.
#44. To: A K A Stone (#43)
#45. To: A K A Stone (#37)
I like this definition.
#46. To: sneakypete (#8)
And let's get real. This is about politics with these lesbians as it is sexuality. I doubt they can even separate the two.
#47. To: A K A Stone (#42)
Seems you have been putting a lot of thought into this.
#48. To: A K A Stone (#41)
"I want to see if you are "transgendered"."
#49. To: Skip Intro (#33)
(Edited)
I saw no mention of the courts in Stone's response, did you?
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#50. To: CZ82 (#49)
#51. To: CZ82 (#49)
Then you should be against open homosexuality too, because a lot of them commit those heinous acts I mentioned in my last post......
#52. To: Skip Intro (#51)
I'm sure you'll be providing the statistics for both heterosexual and homosexual practitioners so we can verify your claim.
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#53. To: CZ82 (#52)
#54. To: Skip Intro (#53)
And the heterosexual data is ...?
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#55. To: CZ82 (#54)
#56. To: CZ82 (#54)
"Homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses: Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children".
#57. To: Skip Intro (#55)
I'm sorry, but the Family Research Council is not an unbiased source, since they have a very clear agenda. I'd like to see data from a source without a bias.
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#58. To: CZ82 (#57)
#59. To: Ferret Mike (#50)
The status was destigmatized in 1972 precisely because homosexual people matched heterosexual people in every aspect of life but for one minor difference.
#60. To: Sebastian (#59)
#61. To: Sebastian (#46)
It's also about making the fantasy a reality.
#62. To: Ferret Mike (#50)
Homosexuals are very normal people
#63. To: Skip Intro, CZ82 (#55)
I'm sorry, but the Family Research Council is not an unbiased source,
#64. To: Ferret Mike (#60)
Your argument is a red herring and stinks like one that has been stuck in a car's heater vent for a week.
#65. To: Sebastian (#64)
#66. To: Ferret Mike (#56)
Homosexuality has no more relation to pedophelia then heterosexuality does. Anyone who preys on children who are too young to form consent to engage in sexual activity is a problem. Normal homosexual or heterosexual activities have nothing to do with that particular crime.
#67. To: Ferret Mike (#65)
And your point fails to take into account for the many gay and lesbian people who have indeed produced children
#68. To: sneakypete (#61)
I have always believed the reason Michael Jackson used to put masks on the faces of the white children he bought was so that once they got old enough he could have plastic surgery done to them to make them look like him.
#69. To: Sebastian (#67)
(Edited)
"If so, then it was done through heterosexual sex or artificial insemination."
"Homosexuality is a failed lifestyle. Enjoy it as you will, homosexual sex acts between humans cannot result in pregnancy and thankfully, do not contribute to the gene pool".
#70. To: sneakypete (#66)
"Yeah,I know that in some states anybody younger than 18 is still considered a child,but I suspect the percentage of heterosexuals having sex with teens is the same as homosexuals having sex with teens. The difference is the fundies are counting the adult homosexuals having sex with teens,and ignoring the adult heterosexuals having sex with teens."
#71. To: Sebastian (#68)
#72. To: Ferret Mike (#69)
Being openly homophobic here is not a good idea. It is very much a good way to wind up in jail in a hurry.
#73. To: Ferret Mike (#71)
many more women listed in above link
#74. To: Sebastian (#73)
Approximately 30,000 to 40,000 postoperative transsexual women live in the United States, and many thousands more are now in the process of gender transition here. These numbers are much larger than commonly assumed by the public because a veil of invisibility hides the true nature and extent of the transsexual condition. Especially hidden are large numbers of highly successful women who have fully transitioned. The reason is that most successful women live in "stealth mode" or are "woodworked". They leave their pasts behind and hide in plain sight in order to avoid social stigmatization and get on with their new lives. Their personal successes insure that they assimilate and blend right into society.
#75. To: Ferret Mike (#74)
Approximately 30,000 to 40,000 postoperative transsexual women live in the United States, and many thousands more are now in the process of gender transition here.
#76. To: Ferret Mike (#60)
Plenty of gays and lesbians have children. They make as good guardians or parents as anyone else.
#77. To: Sebastian (#75)
#78. To: A K A Stone (#77)
Your sanity is refreshing. I'm happy that you take the time to post here. Thank You.
#79. To: A K A Stone (#76)
(Edited)
"Pedophiles don't make good parents."
#80. To: Ferret Mike (#79)
based on reality.
#81. To: BorisY (#80)
#82. To: BorisY (#80)
#83. To: Sebastian (#64)
The fact remains that homosexual activity cannot produce off-spring.
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#84. To: Skip Intro (#58)
No, you find it to back up your claim. Far right bible thumper sites don't count because they're totally biased, and FRC is as biased as it gets.
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#85. To: Sebastian (#64)
You may enjoy sodomy but it will not result in pregnancy.
#86. To: Sebastian (#67)
If tomorrow, every human practiced homosexuality exclusively, the species would fail.
#87. To: Sebastian (#68)
Now that's sick.
#88. To: Ferret Mike (#69)
(Edited)
Just as many heterosexuals experiment with homosexuality
#89. To: Sebastian, Ferret Mike, *Hypocrisy and Hypocrites* (#72)
Homophobia is a crime in Eugene?
#90. To: A K A Stone (#76)
(Edited)
Pedophiles don't make good parents.
#91. To: Ferret Mike (#81)
Oh no, the thread got a Boris on it.
#92. To: sneakypete (#90)
Pedophiles don't make good parents.
#93. To: sneakypete (#88)
It is illegal for the GOVERNMENT to discriminate against them anywhere in the United States. This is according to the Bill of Rights.
#94. To: sneakypete (#86)
If tomorrow,every human practiced the strictest mandates of fundamental Christianity and ONLY had sex in order to reproduce,the species would fail.
#95. To: CZ82 (#84)
clean out the pumpkin patch
#96. To: sneakypete (#88)
If I were a wealthy man that could afford to pay the lawyers,you can bet your ass I would be in the Whiteaker area of Eugene tomorrow morning,screaming shit about dykes and faries at the top of my lungs and just hoping I would get arrested for it. By the time the dust settled I'd own the fucking city.
#97. To: A K A Stone (#92)
That's true,but homosexuals may or MAY NOT be Pedophiles.
#98. To: sneakypete (#97)
Have you lost your fucking mind???????
#99. To: sneakypete (#97)
#100. To: A K A Stone (#93)
Where is it in the bill or rights that homosexuals have some right because of their choice to be perverts?
#101. To: A K A Stone (#94)
What a dumb statement. lol
#102. To: sneakypete (#101)
What a dumb statement. lol
#103. To: sneakypete (#100)
A citizen that just happens to be a homosexual has EXACTLY the same rights as you or me. No more and no fewer. EXACTLY the same rights.
#104. To: A K A Stone (#96)
Now that is funny. I'd be rooting for you.
#105. To: sneakypete (#104)
#106. To: A K A Stone (#95)
clean out the pumpkin patch You grew pumpkins this year huh. Did they do any good?
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#107. To: CZ82 (#106)
#108. To: A K A Stone (#98)
They are both against the nautral use of the body.
#109. To: A K A Stone (#99)
(Edited)
Do you think homos should be allowed to adopt?
#110. To: A K A Stone (#107)
Do you freeze the pulp to make pumpkin pies and cookies?
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#111. To: CZ82 (#110)
#112. To: A K A Stone (#102)
Don't know much about procreation,do you?
#113. To: A K A Stone (#111)
Is the price high? I might come get some of them for pulp. We freeze it and make killer pumpkin cookies.
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#114. To: A K A Stone (#103)
Yeah the exact same thing I said in my post 93 that you didn't bother with.
#115. To: sneakypete (#112)
Really? Do you really think that each and every case of heterosexual sex results in a pregnancy?
#116. To: sneakypete (#114)
HorseHillary. These are your religious superstitions speaking,NOT facts. Marriage is a CIVIL/SOCIAL act,not a religious act. You and your fellow religious cult members or the members of any other religious cult have a absolute right to determine who may and who may not be married within your religion by one of your cult leaders,but you do NOT have the authority nor will you EVER have the authority to make the determination as to who can and can not be married in a civil ceremony.
#117. To: A K A Stone (#105)
That is a funny rant in light of Obamas assassination and your comments regarding it.
#118. To: A K A Stone (#116)
I'll just call you a dumb ass on this one.
#119. To: sneakypete (#118)
Yup. Just me and that "goddamned piece of paper called the Constitution."
#120. To: A K A Stone (#119)
No one who wrote the constitution or supported it ever dreamed it would be for queer marriage.
#121. To: A K A Stone (#119)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#122. To: sneakypete (#91)
"Boris has now became a adjective.
#123. To: A K A Stone (#82)
"Mike doesn't have a clue of what is right and wrong. Eugene Oregon has fried his brain."
#124. To: sneakypete (#89)
"Sounds like the leftist Thought Police are in firm control there,doesn't it?"
#125. To: Ferret Mike (#124)
law against discrimination,
#126. To: CZ82 (#83)
That's why men and women were made a certain way
#127. To: sneakypete (#86)
If tomorrow,every human practiced the strictest mandates of fundamental Christianity and ONLY had sex in order to reproduce,the species would fail.
#128. To: A K A Stone (#125)
"Your anti constitutional beliefs are showing again. What do you have against free speech and free association?"
#129. To: sneakypete (#85)
Are you trying to claim people should only have sex when a pregnancy will be the result,and that this should be the law of the land?
#130. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone (#128)
I would say the first thig you need to do is to stop stealing the words of another and replacing them with your own. Because on that count alone you have no room to lecture anyone else about the First Amendment.
#131. To: Sebastian (#129)
#132. To: Ferret Mike (#131)
Your argument does not have merit.
#133. To: Ferret Mike (#122)
He is a Polaroid camera in a digital world. his mind is partial phased into anther universe somewhere. But he can be entertaining. That is something an asshole like yukon can't say.
#134. To: Ferret Mike (#124)
Eugene is a university town and was an enclave for the counterculture that has molded it's character and the flavor of life here quite a bit.
#135. To: Sebastian (#127)
If tomorrow,every human practiced the strictest mandates of fundamental Christianity and ONLY had sex in order to reproduce,the species would fail.
#136. To: Ferret Mike (#128)
The U.S. Constitution protects minorities against the whims and caprice of majorities.
#137. To: Sebastian (#129)
My claim is as follows: homosexual acts between humans (as gratifying as those acts may be) cannot and will not result in the furtherance of the species via biological inheritance.
#138. To: sneakypete (#137)
this is America,and ALL Americans have the same legal RIGHTS
#139. To: Sebastian (#138)
But it seems some groups have (and other groups want) special protections.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#140. To: war (#139)
Special protections from what? Being legislated against?
#141. To: Sebastian (#140)
(Edited)
Having their sensitive feeling hurt, dick.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#142. To: Sebastian (#132)
"Then you might wish to cite the medical case where human homosexual activity has resulted in pregnancy."
#143. To: sneakypete (#134)
(Edited)
It's more than that,it has always been a communist enclave within the US. Is it Eugene or Portland that has a city park with statues of prominent communists that helped overthrow the Czar?
#144. To: sneakypete (#136)
"Yes, it does. It ALSO protects the majority from the whims and caprices of minorities.
You don't believe that,or you wouldn't support shit like the Civil Wrongs Act of 1964,busing,minority preferences in hiring and promotions,quotas,affirmative action,etc,etc,etc.
#145. To: war, Sebastian (#139)
"Special protections from what? Being legislated against?"
#146. To: Sebastian (#138)
But it seems some groups have (and other groups want) special protections.
#147. To: Ferret Mike (#143)
#148. To: Ferret Mike (#144)
A small religious minority is more in danger of a large one, and the Constitution addresses that. The majorities often have more then enough means to defend themselves and to flourish. The Constitution in this sense just levels the playing feild and makes things fairer for all.
#149. To: sneakypete (#148)
What you and the other leftists want is SPECIAL protection given to them.
#150. To: sneakypete (#148)
(Edited)
HOW can you justify special laws promoting women when they are a majority?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#151. To: A K A Stone (#149)
Us on the real right consider you as somewhat of a leftist. You would redefine words to give the homos a special right to change meanings of words.
#152. To: war (#150)
Do you get it? MAJORITY being the consensus that emerged and prevailed. MINORITY being those who were not part of the process or who did not prevail.
#153. To: sneakypete (#151)
#154. To: sneakypete (#152)
#155. To: A K A Stone (#154)
Your leftist argument is akin to me demanding the right to go in the womans restroom.
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#156. To: war (#141)
You made the statement
#157. To: Sebastian (#156)
(Edited)
Indeed I did,dick.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#158. To: CZ82 (#155)
(Edited)
If you are smart you will never/ever visit a womens public bathroom!!!!
#159. To: A K A Stone (#153)
You and your homo propaganda isn't fooling anyone freakypete. Lefty.
#160. To: A K A Stone (#154)
Your leftist argument is akin to me demanding the right to go in the womans restroom. Lefty.
#161. To: A K A Stone (#154)
Your leftist argument is akin to me demanding the right to go in the womans restroom.
#162. To: sneakypete (#159)
(Edited)
"There is no need for me to fool you. You have fooled yourself into thinking you are a conservative,even though you think there should be different classes of citizens with different rights."
#163. To: Ferret Mike, AKAStone, ALL (#162)
Whom they love ain't my affair or business.
#164. To: war (#157)
Are you going to get around to answering the original question, Vag:
#165. To: Sebastian (#164)
Take it or leave it, dick.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#166. To: war (#165)
You cited legislation that has never passed a chamber as proof of what?
#167. To: Sebastian (#166)
Suffer from ADD, dick?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#168. To: war (#167)
I HAVE it figured out Captain Clitty of the SS Bearded Clam..you need to get the last word in without saying anything - just like any other vag...
#169. To: Sebastian (#168)
I HAVE it figured out Captain Clitty of the SS Bearded Clam..you need to get the last word in without saying anything - just like any other vag...
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#170. To: Ferret Mike (#162)
When I was a little boy, I loathed black people and fat people like they were the devil incarnate. I remember one horrible occasion where I made a cafeteria wide scene crying and pouting because I was forced to sit next to a very overweight girl.
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#171. To: Ferret Mike, sneakypete, A K A Stone (#162)
I lreaned my hatred was based on my fear of the people who viewed themselves as the enforcer of homophobia. Once I learned homosexuals were no different then other folks, I no longer feared or hated a sexual imprinting of their's that affects no one adversely.
#172. To: Biff Tannen, Ferret Mike (#170)
#173. To: Sebastian, war (#156)
Employment Non-Discrimination Act, dick.
#174. To: mininggold, CZ82, e_type_jag (#158)
Doesn't give you that familiar sense of comfort of home because there's not enough pee on the floor?
#175. To: Liberator (#173)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#176. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone (#124)
Eugene is a university town and was an enclave for the counterculture that has molded it's character and the flavor of life here quite a bit.
#177. To: Liberator (#176)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#178. To: Liberator (#176)
#179. To: sneakypete (#152)
War: "Do you get it? MAJORITY being the consensus that emerged and prevailed. MINORITY being those who were not part of the process or who did not prevail."
#180. To: war (#177)
(Edited)
"Correct you are Libby...TRUE freedom is found in CONFORMITY..."
#181. To: Liberator (#179)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#182. To: Ferret Mike, Liberator (#180)
Kids are well loved and protected in the most liberal part of Eugene, homes look great, the people are friendly and there are a lot of really sharp and well educated folks in my neck of the woods.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#183. To: war (#182)
#184. To: Ferret Mike (#178)
No doubt you would fit into the Bethel District or north Eugene very well.
#185. To: war, Ferret Mike (#182)
(Edited)
HIs response will be that it's not the "right kind" of people...
#186. To: war (#181)
Just because you filled in the blanks here for Yeltsin, it doesn't seem to reveal any more cogence than the abridged version...
#187. To: war (#177)
Correct you are Libby...TRUE freedom is found in CONFORMITY...
#188. To: Sebastian (#0)
(Edited)
At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, therapists and psychiatrists diagnosed Tammy with gender identity disorder.
#189. To: Liberator (#186)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#190. To: Liberator (#187)
Hey - you can be however deviant and halloweenish as you'd like.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#191. To: war (#190)
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#192. To: war (#190)
#193. To: Biff Tannen (#191)
He sure loves the homo talk, eh.
#194. To: Liberator (#185)
Are they *your* kind of people?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#195. To: Biff Tannen (#191)
He sure loves the homo talk, eh.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#196. To: mininggold (#158)
If you are smart you will never/ever visit a womens public bathroom!!!! I used to do janitors work on Sundays when I worked for Ponderosa as a teenager, trust me when I say "stay out"!!!!
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#197. To: war (#194)
www.trivillage.com should allay those fears...
#198. To: Liberator (#174)
W
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#199. To: war (#195)
I believe that it was Libby who jumped on the Volkswagen when I stated that my commuter car is a Passat because....
#200. To: CZ82 (#198)
Don't ask.... LOL....
#201. To: Liberator (#179)
God forbid the day the Left and their allied caucuses of entitled, embittered discontented fascists-socialists metastasize and finally gain numerical superiority (which is fast approaching.) It'll make the first Civil War seem like nail salon skirmish.
#202. To: Liberator (#188)
NO seven year old is that wrapped up and disturbed over their sexual identity.
#203. To: sneakypete (#202)
Plain and simple,this kid is a sexual political statement by two radical leftist lesbians that hate men.
BINGO.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#204. To: Liberator (#174)
#205. To: war (#169)
I HAVE it figured out Captain Clitty of the SS Bearded Clam..you need to get the last word in without saying anything - just like any other vag...
#206. To: Sebastian (#205)
That proves you're not Dick Tracy, dick.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#207. To: war (#206)
Ao contraire, Captain Clitty, I have an official designation from Detective Tracy hisself that I am indeed a valued Junior Crime Fighter.
#208. To: Sebastian (#207)
And the thread got a thousand views, dick.
#209. To: Sebastian (#207)
And the thread got a thousand views, dick.
#210. To: mininggold (#209)
Yeah right, every click on the thread is counted as a view. I just gave you five more as a gift.
#211. To: war (#208)
Try harder
#212. To: Sebastian (#211)
Sounds too much like work, dick
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