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Title: 'I am a girl': The plight of Tammy, the adopted son of two lesbians who started sex change aged 8 because he has always maintained he is a girl
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Daily Mail Online
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... ormone-blocking-treatment.html
Published: Sep 29, 2011
Author: John Stevens
Post Date: 2011-09-29 22:29:04 by Sebastian
Keywords: None
Views: 127128
Comments: 212
A boy who started the process of changing sex at age eight has told how he always knew he was meant to be a girl. Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment in Berkeley, California to stop him going through puberty as a boy. His two lesbian mothers, who adopted him aged two, say that they have been criticised by friends and family, but insist they have not forced their son to become a girl. Scroll down for video Therapy: Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment No pressure: The boy's two lesbian adopted mothers, Debra, left, and Pauline, right, say that they have not forced their son to become a girl They say that one of the first things he told them when he learnt sign language aged three, learned because of a speech impediment, was, 'I am a girl'. Tammy, now 11, wears dresses and effectively lives as a girl. His parents, Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel, say that their son, who they claim was depressed at a younger age and threatened to chop of his own penis, is now much happier. The couple were married in 1990 by a rabbi, according to Pauline's Facebook page, and have two older sons and grandchildren. PROUD MOM: Two photos of Tammy from one of Pauline's Facebook albums called 'My Sweet Sweet Princess' Here is Tammy with her mothers and older brother Edgar at his recent bar mitzvah. Mother Pauline said Tammy was shy and unhappy as a boy when compared to her older, outgoing brothers Unlike his older brothers who are both described at outgoing and athletic, Thomas liked to read Wonder Woman comic books and play with dolls. He shunned baseball hats, preferring rhinestone hair accessories. At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, therapists and psychiatrists diagnosed Tammy with gender identity disorder. A year later his parents allowed him to start the first step of his transition to becoming female by letting him pick his own clothes and wear bras. Tammy favor headbands to baseball hats and picked out bras and dresses to start wearing when given choice in clothing to wear 'As soon as we let him put on a dress, his personality changed from a very sad kid who sat still, didn't do much of anything to a very happy little girl who was thrilled to be alive,' one mother Pauline told CNN. This summer, Tammy started taking hormone-blocking drugs, which will stop him from experiencing puberty. The hormone-suppressant will postpone the 11-year-old developing broad shoulders, deep voice and facial hair.The diagnosis has been hard to accept for Tammy's parents, but they insist their sexuality has nothing to do with it. As Pauline said, people think 'we're pushing her to do this. I'm a lesbian. My partner is a lesbian. That suddenly falls into the fold: "Oh, you want her to be part of the lifestyle you guys live".' Unhappy: Tammy was adopted aged two by Debra Lobel and Pauline Moreno But they insist that is not the case and the decision has been difficult. His parents say the hormone treatment will give him time to figure out if he wants to fully transition to being female or go through puberty as a boy. If he chooses to stop taking the drugs, he will undergo natural male puberty at a later stage and his future fertility would not be impacted. Should he decide to transition to an adult female, he can take female hormones as well, which would raise his voice, grow breasts and develop other feminine physical characteristics. Pauline and Debra have been married since 1990, when they were joined in a commitment ceremony by their rabbi San Francisco, right by Berkeley, is one of four cities in the United States with a hospital that has a program for transgender children. The University of California San Francisco is home to the Center of Excellence for Transgender Health. Children are seen at length by mental health professionals and then treated by pediatric endocrinologists. Others cities with youth programs are Boston, Seattle and Los Angeles. Watch the video report: 
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#70. To: sneakypete (#66)
I remember getting come ons from some gay men when i was much younger and it was no problem just saying no and have a great day anyway to them. People will be people. Older guys will hit on young girls and boys just legal age as gays and straights both manifest the unconsious desire to find that prime age of breeding partner in this society that values and worships youth too much in general. I have always valued my gay and lesbian friends. They don't need to have sex with me to be friends, any more then heterosexual women need to hit the kip with me to call me a pal.
TS Women's Successes: Links and Photos April Ashley (UK) Model, Entertainer, Socialite (more, more) Transsexual Pioneer from the UK Transitioned at age 21-25, SRS in 1960 ---------------------------- Joan Roughgarden, Ph.D. Biologist Evolution's Rainbow: Diversity , Gender, and Sexuality in Nature and People -------------------------------- Becky Allison, M.D. --------------------------------- (many more women listed in above link)
Homophobia is a crime in Eugene? I would think people who are homophobic (that is to say, people who have a fear of homosexuals and/or homosexuality would actively avoid being around homosexuals so as to avoid the stress caused by their phobia. You know, the way people with acrophobia avoid high places?). Why would that be illegal? Or do they fine folks of Eugene simply enjoy the abuse of police power?
Numbered in the millions, I'm sure.
The social invisibility of successful women who have undergone gender corrections supports the notion that male-to-female transsexualism is extremely rare. However, intense transsexualism is not all that uncommon. Recent calculations indicate that the condition occurs in about 1 out of every 250 to 500 children born as boys, and that about 1 in every 2500 males in the U.S. has already undergone surgical sex reassignment*. Transsexualism is thus more than twice as prevalent as multiple sclerosis (MS), cerebral palsy or cleft lip/palate conditions. Out of what, 300 million? And how many of them will contribute positively to society or to the gene pool? Or even, how many can? Surely, if as you say, they exactly duplicate heterosexuals except for 'one minor difference', they can be no more successful than their heterosexual counterparts. And I think we both can agree, that is none too successful.
Mike you are screwed in the head. Pedophiles don't make good parents.
Your sanity is refreshing. I'm happy that you take the time to post here. Thank You.
You are certainly welcome. Thank you for providing the site.
You are trying to lynch good parents and guardians as something they are not because of your bigotry against them. That little game kind of takes the wind out of the sails of any worry that your words on this are sane or based on reality. I can see it is frustrating to you to try to argue a point that has no substanse of reality to it. But that is your problem, not mine. Thus your attempt here to be abusive has no teeth to it.
Your reality ! Not the sane - moral world reality !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !
Oh no, the thread got a Boris on it.
Mike doesn't have a clue of what is right and wrong. Eugene Oregon has fried his brain.
You may enjoy sodomy but it will not result in pregnancy. That's why men and women were made a certain way, to ensure the possibility of continuing the family bloodlines.... And this also explains why homosexuality is a deviant behavior contrary to some peoples popular beliefs/rants..... Just because someone displays a certain behavior doesn't mean that it's acceptable...
"CHANGE" you can step in..... I don't even own a Bible Skippy, but my wife has 2!!!!! So is that what makes me a Right Wing bible thumper???? Just your opinion and your opinion alone????? So why don't you find proof that I'm a Right Wing Bible thumper and post it.... That's like your opinion of the homosexuals being different from mine...no article saying what you think, just your opinion.... So here I will give you something else to chew on .... www.mega.nu/ ampp/baldwin_pedophilia_homosexuality.pdf Just remember everyone has an agenda, and not everybody agrees with that agenda, so post what you will..... that's if you can spare the time..... By the way my agenda for today is to work on the truck, clean out the pumpkin patch and ensure I don't assume room temperature..... what's yours???
"CHANGE" you can step in..... So what? Are you trying to claim people should only have sex when a pregnancy will be the result,and that this should be the law of the land?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
If tomorrow,every human practiced the strictest mandates of fundamental Christianity and ONLY had sex in order to reproduce,the species would fail. The species would fail for two reasons. One is the majority of births were either the result of accidents or multiple incidents of intercourse. The ones that are the result of purposeful one time intercourse in order to reproduce are so low in number there wouldn't be enough of them to keep the human species from going extinct.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
I agree,and I honestly think that was his plan. After all,he named himself the "King of Pop",and named both of the white boys he bought "Prince". Ever heard of a King that didn't want offspring that looked like him?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
Nope. Just doesn't happen. BI-SEXUALS who are predominately heterosexual may experiment with homosexuality,but a true heterosexual would never even consider doing that. In the 1980s I provided the material for friends of mine to have a child who is a very healthy and happy little girl who loves her two Moms. She knows me casually but we have never shared this knowlege with her as there is no need to her having two excellent parents and role models to love and charish as parents. Uhhh,sooner or later it is going to occur to her that there was a red-headed Irishman in the woodpile. Especially once she starts taking biology classes in elementary school. Questions ARE going to be asked,and she deserves answers. it is illegal to discriminate against gays, lesbians and transgendered people in Eugene, Oregon in any way including in housing and employment. It is illegal for the GOVERNMENT to discriminate against them anywhere in the United States. This is according to the Bill of Rights. According to the Bill of Rights,it is also illegal for local,state,or the feral government to use the force of government to prevent PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS from discriminating against anydamnbody they want to discriminate against. This IS the law of the land,and no bullshit PC law passed in Eugene or anywhere else supercedes the Bill of Rights. Being openly homophobic here is not a good idea. It is very much a good way to wind up in jail in a hurry. Especially if you do it in the Whiteaker Neigborhood. If I were a wealthy man that could afford to pay the lawyers,you can bet your ass I would be in the Whiteaker area of Eugene tomorrow morning,screaming shit about dykes and faries at the top of my lungs and just hoping I would get arrested for it. By the time the dust settled I'd own the fucking city.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
Sounds like the leftist Thought Police are in firm control there,doesn't it? The good news is they are more than happy to ALLOW you to have all the Free Speech THEY THINK YOU NEED. Typical of the hypocrisy of the left. Or do they fine folks of Eugene simply enjoy the abuse of police power? I suspect some are more than happy to pay extra for it.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
That's true,but homosexuals may or MAY NOT be Pedophiles. Or do you think the heterosexual rape of a child is somehow more moral than the homosexual rape of a child?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
LOL! Boris has now became a adjective. I think a photo of a manure spreader might be more appropriate,though. Come to think of it,that would be an ideal avatar for Yukon on LP.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
That's true,but homosexuals may or MAY NOT be Pedophiles. Same kind of behavior. Sex perverts.
Where is it in the bill or rights that homosexuals have some right because of their choice to be perverts? Or did you mean that they have rights like the rest of us that have nothing to do with their hang up?
What a dumb statement. lol
You grew pumpkins this year huh. Did they do any good?
Now that is funny. I'd be rooting for you.
Same kind of behavior. Have you lost your fucking mind??????? How the HELL can you equate homosexual sex between two consenting adults with child rape?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
How the HELL can you equate homosexual sex between two consenting adults with child rape? They are both against the nautral use of the body. While child rape is worse as it doesn't have lawful consent. Both behaviors are still wrong and against nature.
Do you think homos should be allowed to adopt? What about how they are damaging this kid for life. Should they be allowed to do that? If not what should the penalty be?
ALL CITIZENS HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS. Ever heard of the Preamble to the US Constitution? It sets forth the goals and intents of the US Constitution. Read it and weep. We don't have "special classes" of citizens in this country with more rights than other citizens. Or at least we are not supposed to,despite the insanity brought forth by the Civil Wrongs Act of 1964. A citizen that just happens to be a homosexual has EXACTLY the same rights as you or me. No more and no fewer. EXACTLY the same rights. If it were any other way,it wouldn't be America.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
Don't know much about procreation,do you?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
Don't know much about procreation,do you? Nothing to do with procreation. Your statement was just dumb. But your other statements were spot on.
Yeah the exact same thing I said in my post 93 that you didn't bother with. That doesn't include marriage though. And it isn't discrimination as marriage has a definition of a man and a woman. Any homo man can marry any homo woman. Two homo men will never be married no matter how much you or faggot Mike cries about it.
Yeah,Freedom of Speech is only good when you agree with it,huh? The truth is you either have it,or you don't have it. There are no gray areas. The reason it is guaranteed in the Bill of Rights is NOT to protect "speech" that is popular and that everybody agrees with,it is to protect unpopular speech. Unpopular speech is the canary in the coal mine of freedom. Any branch of government that has or is allowed to exert the power to suspend unpopular speech (YAY,HOMOS!)also has the right to suspend "popular" speech (in your case,"AH HATE HOMOS!")like they do in Eugene. We are either all free,or none of us are free. It really is that simple.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
That is a funny rant in light of Obamas assassination and your comments regarding it. You have some hypocrisy in your statements. But we all do at times.
I grew both the small decorative pumpkins and the large Big Max pumpkins that can reach 100 lbs.... Both did pretty well and ended up occupying over twice the space I alloted for them... I probably have about 12 pumpkins that weigh somewhere between 75 and 100 lbs, along with some others in the 50-60 lb range... The decoratives grew like crazy I probably have around 50 or more of those.... The biggest problem was all the wet weather we've had in the last month. Some of them don't look too swift on the bottom so don't know how long they will last.... Hopefully until we get a hard freeze.... I also grew some peppers, Fresno, New Mexico, Banana, Habanero and Cubanelles.... They did really well too... Am going to stem and seed them, and then vaccum pack them and toss them in the freezer... Hopefully that works well because I'm not much into canning.....
"CHANGE" you can step in..... Do you freeze the pulp to make pumpkin pies and cookies?
Wrong. Sex with a minor being a crime is a fairly recent social/cultural decision. For most of history there were no laws against it. As for the whole "natural" thing,that is ENTIRELY your opinion on what is natural. For a homosexual,it would be unnatural to have sex with someone of the opposite gender. Just as unnatural as it would be for you or I to have sex with another man. While child rape is worse... At least you are still rational enough to recognize that. as it doesn't have lawful consent. Any laws that prohibit homosexuals adults from having homosexual sex in private are UN-Constitutional. A homosexuals right to have sex with another homosexual is no more dependent on your approval than your right to have sex with a woman is dependent on the approval of a homosexual. Rights are rights,not permissions.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
Depends on the individuals and conditions involved. In some cases,yes,and in other cases,no. Your question is akin to asking if "single people should be allowed to adopt",or "should poor people be allowed to adopt?". What about how they are damaging this kid for life. It is ludicrous for you to suggest that all children adopted or raised by homosexuals are damaged for life. Are you implying that all children raised by heterosexuals are raised in ideal circumstances and have perfect lives? I can guarantee you that you are overdue for a really big shock if you think that is the case. BTW,I was adopted by a heterosexual family that did their best for me,but had two uncles that were preachers whose children weren't allowed to play with me when I was 6 years old BECAUSE I was adopted. I even had one tell me when I was a child that "you might be the spawn of Satan for all we know!" THESE people are typical of the type of people that are against homosexuals adopting children without any regard whatsoever to the conditions of the adoption. Their and YOUR ONLY "reasons" for taking this stand is because of your religious beliefs. For example,you would prevent an adult male or female homosexual from adopting their minor brothers or sisters if the parents were to suddenly die in a accident or murder. "RIGHT THINKING" people like YOU would rather see the minor children go into a home for children than see them adopted by a loving family member,purely because that family member is a homosexual. You should be ashamed of yourself,both as an American and as a self-professed Christian.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Nov 2011
No... I just grow them for decoration.... The wife loves to decorate for Halloween and Thanksgiving so why not grow some and let her run wild..... Have you checked out the price of pumpkins this year???? WOW!!!!
"CHANGE" you can step in.....
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest"Yeah,I know that in some states anybody younger than 18 is still considered a child,but I suspect the percentage of heterosexuals having sex with teens is the same as homosexuals having sex with teens. The difference is the fundies are counting the adult homosexuals having sex with teens,and ignoring the adult heterosexuals having sex with teens."
#71. To: Sebastian (#68)
#72. To: Ferret Mike (#69)
Being openly homophobic here is not a good idea. It is very much a good way to wind up in jail in a hurry.
#73. To: Ferret Mike (#71)
many more women listed in above link
#74. To: Sebastian (#73)
Approximately 30,000 to 40,000 postoperative transsexual women live in the United States, and many thousands more are now in the process of gender transition here. These numbers are much larger than commonly assumed by the public because a veil of invisibility hides the true nature and extent of the transsexual condition. Especially hidden are large numbers of highly successful women who have fully transitioned. The reason is that most successful women live in "stealth mode" or are "woodworked". They leave their pasts behind and hide in plain sight in order to avoid social stigmatization and get on with their new lives. Their personal successes insure that they assimilate and blend right into society.
#75. To: Ferret Mike (#74)
Approximately 30,000 to 40,000 postoperative transsexual women live in the United States, and many thousands more are now in the process of gender transition here.
#76. To: Ferret Mike (#60)
Plenty of gays and lesbians have children. They make as good guardians or parents as anyone else.
#77. To: Sebastian (#75)
#78. To: A K A Stone (#77)
Your sanity is refreshing. I'm happy that you take the time to post here. Thank You.
#79. To: A K A Stone (#76)
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"Pedophiles don't make good parents."
#80. To: Ferret Mike (#79)
based on reality.
#81. To: BorisY (#80)
#82. To: BorisY (#80)
#83. To: Sebastian (#64)
The fact remains that homosexual activity cannot produce off-spring.
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#84. To: Skip Intro (#58)
No, you find it to back up your claim. Far right bible thumper sites don't count because they're totally biased, and FRC is as biased as it gets.
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#85. To: Sebastian (#64)
You may enjoy sodomy but it will not result in pregnancy.
#86. To: Sebastian (#67)
If tomorrow, every human practiced homosexuality exclusively, the species would fail.
#87. To: Sebastian (#68)
Now that's sick.
#88. To: Ferret Mike (#69)
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Just as many heterosexuals experiment with homosexuality
#89. To: Sebastian, Ferret Mike, *Hypocrisy and Hypocrites* (#72)
Homophobia is a crime in Eugene?
#90. To: A K A Stone (#76)
(Edited)
Pedophiles don't make good parents.
#91. To: Ferret Mike (#81)
Oh no, the thread got a Boris on it.
#92. To: sneakypete (#90)
Pedophiles don't make good parents.
#93. To: sneakypete (#88)
It is illegal for the GOVERNMENT to discriminate against them anywhere in the United States. This is according to the Bill of Rights.
#94. To: sneakypete (#86)
If tomorrow,every human practiced the strictest mandates of fundamental Christianity and ONLY had sex in order to reproduce,the species would fail.
#95. To: CZ82 (#84)
clean out the pumpkin patch
#96. To: sneakypete (#88)
If I were a wealthy man that could afford to pay the lawyers,you can bet your ass I would be in the Whiteaker area of Eugene tomorrow morning,screaming shit about dykes and faries at the top of my lungs and just hoping I would get arrested for it. By the time the dust settled I'd own the fucking city.
#97. To: A K A Stone (#92)
That's true,but homosexuals may or MAY NOT be Pedophiles.
#98. To: sneakypete (#97)
Have you lost your fucking mind???????
#99. To: sneakypete (#97)
#100. To: A K A Stone (#93)
Where is it in the bill or rights that homosexuals have some right because of their choice to be perverts?
#101. To: A K A Stone (#94)
What a dumb statement. lol
#102. To: sneakypete (#101)
What a dumb statement. lol
#103. To: sneakypete (#100)
A citizen that just happens to be a homosexual has EXACTLY the same rights as you or me. No more and no fewer. EXACTLY the same rights.
#104. To: A K A Stone (#96)
Now that is funny. I'd be rooting for you.
#105. To: sneakypete (#104)
#106. To: A K A Stone (#95)
clean out the pumpkin patch You grew pumpkins this year huh. Did they do any good?
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#107. To: CZ82 (#106)
#108. To: A K A Stone (#98)
They are both against the nautral use of the body.
#109. To: A K A Stone (#99)
(Edited)
Do you think homos should be allowed to adopt?
#110. To: A K A Stone (#107)
Do you freeze the pulp to make pumpkin pies and cookies?
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
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