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Title: 'I am a girl': The plight of Tammy, the adopted son of two lesbians who started sex change aged 8 because he has always maintained he is a girl
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Daily Mail Online
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... ormone-blocking-treatment.html
Published: Sep 29, 2011
Author: John Stevens
Post Date: 2011-09-29 22:29:04 by Sebastian
Keywords: None
Views: 126980
Comments: 212
A boy who started the process of changing sex at age eight has told how he always knew he was meant to be a girl. Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment in Berkeley, California to stop him going through puberty as a boy. His two lesbian mothers, who adopted him aged two, say that they have been criticised by friends and family, but insist they have not forced their son to become a girl. Scroll down for video Therapy: Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment No pressure: The boy's two lesbian adopted mothers, Debra, left, and Pauline, right, say that they have not forced their son to become a girl They say that one of the first things he told them when he learnt sign language aged three, learned because of a speech impediment, was, 'I am a girl'. Tammy, now 11, wears dresses and effectively lives as a girl. His parents, Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel, say that their son, who they claim was depressed at a younger age and threatened to chop of his own penis, is now much happier. The couple were married in 1990 by a rabbi, according to Pauline's Facebook page, and have two older sons and grandchildren. PROUD MOM: Two photos of Tammy from one of Pauline's Facebook albums called 'My Sweet Sweet Princess' Here is Tammy with her mothers and older brother Edgar at his recent bar mitzvah. Mother Pauline said Tammy was shy and unhappy as a boy when compared to her older, outgoing brothers Unlike his older brothers who are both described at outgoing and athletic, Thomas liked to read Wonder Woman comic books and play with dolls. He shunned baseball hats, preferring rhinestone hair accessories. At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, therapists and psychiatrists diagnosed Tammy with gender identity disorder. A year later his parents allowed him to start the first step of his transition to becoming female by letting him pick his own clothes and wear bras. Tammy favor headbands to baseball hats and picked out bras and dresses to start wearing when given choice in clothing to wear 'As soon as we let him put on a dress, his personality changed from a very sad kid who sat still, didn't do much of anything to a very happy little girl who was thrilled to be alive,' one mother Pauline told CNN. This summer, Tammy started taking hormone-blocking drugs, which will stop him from experiencing puberty. The hormone-suppressant will postpone the 11-year-old developing broad shoulders, deep voice and facial hair.The diagnosis has been hard to accept for Tammy's parents, but they insist their sexuality has nothing to do with it. As Pauline said, people think 'we're pushing her to do this. I'm a lesbian. My partner is a lesbian. That suddenly falls into the fold: "Oh, you want her to be part of the lifestyle you guys live".' Unhappy: Tammy was adopted aged two by Debra Lobel and Pauline Moreno But they insist that is not the case and the decision has been difficult. His parents say the hormone treatment will give him time to figure out if he wants to fully transition to being female or go through puberty as a boy. If he chooses to stop taking the drugs, he will undergo natural male puberty at a later stage and his future fertility would not be impacted. Should he decide to transition to an adult female, he can take female hormones as well, which would raise his voice, grow breasts and develop other feminine physical characteristics. Pauline and Debra have been married since 1990, when they were joined in a commitment ceremony by their rabbi San Francisco, right by Berkeley, is one of four cities in the United States with a hospital that has a program for transgender children. The University of California San Francisco is home to the Center of Excellence for Transgender Health. Children are seen at length by mental health professionals and then treated by pediatric endocrinologists. Others cities with youth programs are Boston, Seattle and Los Angeles. Watch the video report: 
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#172. To: Biff Tannen, Ferret Mike (#170)
Gawd...lol. What a dysfunction pair.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Get someone to read it to you, dick. Then find someone to explain it to you, dick. You've nailed in in this thread; War and his selectively-tolerant Leftist brethren aren't not exactly interested in the truth of the matter. He and they are just stoking the fires of their anarchical socialist wet-dream uprising of misfits, freaks, and mutants. ANY-thing that bolsters their warped vision of a total cluster-FUBAR America.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
mininggold posted on 2011-10-04 10:22:53 ET W T F
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
As was pointed out ENDA isn't law.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
IOW, it's a socialist, parasitic diseased cuckoo's nest of mental cases, poly-sexuals, new age freaks, and anti-family misfits who publicly urinate on the normal, traditional, and sane. How does a Eugene resident remain sane in that environment?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Correct you are Libby...TRUE freedom is found in CONFORMITY...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
No doubt you would fit into the Bethel District or north Eugene very well. We are large enough a city now no one demographic holds the other hostage. I live in the Whiteaker District where the mayor Kitty Percy resides as well. I would say that the Whit does have an epic number of Lesbian couples, but that is merely the testament to hatred an enclave's members took refuge from. And if this is a 'ghetto,' more parts of the U.S. should be one too. Kids are well loved and protected in the most liberal part of Eugene, homes look great, the people are friendly and there are a lot of really sharp and well educated folks in my neck of the woods. So you are welcome to your little stereotype of a put down, but I am here for a reason; I don't know any place i would rather be. If we have any problems, it's gentrification, and that crazy guy Charie that hangs around Tiny's Tavern. I think he's one of Stone's relatives, he really should do something about him.
So,what are you trying to say? Are you saying that the the typical Dim voter is now the majority and that things are as they should be because ignorant people and even dead people vote Dim consistently? HA! This must be one of those 0bama-moments....sumpin like "elections have consequences".... HALLELUJAH!! The Dim-Rat voter tsunami of the dead and monochromatic brain-dead socialists is about to steamroll their (cough, hack) oppressors. God forbid the day the Left and their allied caucuses of entitled, embittered discontented fascists-socialists metastasize and finally gain numerical superiority (which is fast approaching.) It'll make the first Civil War seem like nail salon skirmish.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Of course you are only free if you conform, comply, submit, and don't bend, fold or mutilate. There should be a nice, neat box for everything, and they must be placed in exactly the right spot. (SIC)
Just because you filled in the blanks here for Yeltsin, it doesn't seem to reveal any more cogence than the abridged version...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
HIs response will be that it's not the "right kind" of people...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
He would be like the occasional conserva-nutzie who moves to the Whit and is horrified that he can't erect a tall fence to block the view of say a lesbian couple's well kept hope with it's solar panels and a Volt car in the driveway across the street from him. (horrors!) He would go to the planning department and rail agains the socialistic people who like neighborhoods, not boxed properties. He would call the police in panic the first time he saw a topless lesbian couple talking at Scobert park and embellish his call to 911 with a detail or two like he saw them kiss a couple of times too. They would politely ask if these women were doing anything illegal and then try to gently explain being topless is not a crime in Eugene. this would burst one of his blood vessels if he was one of these folks who have moved in and either learned to blend in in a friendly way, or to wind up moving to another part of town.... like the bethel or North Eugene -- which actually has *GASP!* gated communities great for keeping us safer by keeping nuts who live there in one place off by themselves.
Is that where the area's normal people live? :-) Has there been any talk of walling off their town border? We are large enough a city now no one demographic holds the other hostage. But collectively the city's goobermint no doubt is infested and controlled by the birds-of-a-feather oddballs and anti-Christians, thus holding normal citizens hostage to the whims of their oddball constituency. Though your city has a right to govern as it sees fit (as long as it's governed constitutionally), I feel remorse for families who've resided there for generations. I live in the Whiteaker District where the mayor Kitty Percy resides as well...I would say that the Whit does have an epic number of Lesbian couples, but that is merely the testament to hatred an enclave's members took refuge from. Michael, I don't believe it's a "hatred" at all; It's a resentment of queer folk who *demand* acceptance and respect of their sexual status and overt/public demonstrations of affection. Ain't happening, bro. And if this is a 'ghetto,' more parts of the U.S. should be one too. Kids are well loved and protected in the most liberal part of Eugene, homes look great, the people are friendly and there are a lot of really sharp and well educated folks in my neck of the woods. A "ghetto"? No, not quite. An "enclave" was more like it. And as you know, most queer people are far more wealthy than straight people. And more "educated." Moreover, we both know queers are very committed to hiring and blatantly favoring their own - just like the other "minority" tribes and cults. This to the point of most likely violating EEOC laws (which we also know would NEVER be enforced against gay/black/Latino bosses) So you are welcome to your little stereotype of a put down, but I am here for a reason; I don't know any place i would rather be. Many stereotypes happen to be true, Mike. FWIW, I'm glad you are happy in Eugene. But it is what it is. If we have any problems, it's gentrification, and that crazy guy Charie that hangs around Tiny's Tavern. I think he's one of Stone's relatives, he really should do something about him. The gentrification phenomena has taken place in several NJ towns near NYC and along the Jersey coastal towns. It's a good thing IMO. As to Stone's cousin/uncle hanging at Tiny's, give 'em a break. He's now an oppressed "minority" who's merely misunderstood and looking for respect and acceptance of his straight lifestyle. ;-p
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Are they *your* kind of people? Secondly, between you and Mike I'm afraid there'd be a shortage of Spandex pelts in Eugene if you two ever shared the town (or whatever else - not that there's anything wrong with that.)
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
I tried to chuckle....but it just wasn't happening.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Hey - you can be however deviant and halloweenish as you'd like. Nobody's stopping you from wearing your lycra-spandex jumpsuit with a pair of 5" stillettos... But just don't demand the rest of us pretend your sporting a black strap-on on your head is "just an accessory."
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Absolute bullsh*t. NO seven year old is that wrapped up and disturbed over their sexual identity. The mutant bull-dyke "mothers" are blatant criminal child-abusers. This case is a disgrace.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Neither was I...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Thanks, Libby. You win birther, er, brother of the week for that one...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
He sure loves the homo talk, eh. How long till he has a 'I posted the wrong link' moment.
------------------------------------- That's "birf-er."
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
You sure like mulling over the phrase "homo-talk." If I had to venture a guess, I'd say this thread mirrors your own biography...in certain respects.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
I don't know. I have never met them. I've encountered more hetero assholes than I do gay or lesbian. One of my life long friends is gay and I helped him reconcile with his dad 10 years after he came out to him and got disowned. I'm not sure that I have ever met anyone transgendered. Suspected and s/he was a decent sort. Secondly, between you and Mike I'm afraid there'd be a shortage of Spandex pelts in Eugene if you two ever shared the town (or whatever else - not that there's anything wrong with that.) www.trivillage.com should allay those fears...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Yukon lite...I believe that it was Libby who jumped on the Volkswagen when I stated that my commuter car is a Passat because, dontcha know, it's not sucking cock that makes a man gay, it's the car that he drives...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Doesn't give you that familiar sense of comfort of home because there's not enough pee on the floor? Yea right, whatever..... It was what was stuck on the walls that had to be scraped off with a putty knife that was repugnent.... little white mice!!!!
"CHANGE" you can step in..... No thanks. This place is already spandex-hell in a hand basket.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
T F Don't ask.... LOL.... You probably wouldn't get a coherent answer anyway....
"CHANGE" you can step in..... ...dontcha know, it's not sucking cock that makes a man gay, it's the car that he drives... That's funny - I wish it were me who'd said it... The second part of your prose is the stuff of Dem/socialist taglines...who just happen to drive VWs or Subarus. Isn't THAT odd how that worked out?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
You probably wouldn't get a coherent answer anyway.... LMAO! Btw, in a related matter, GREAT tagline.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
If nothing else it will be the day our economy collapses and riots begin as all the "free stuff" disappears because there is nobody left to work and pay for it. Or willing to work to pay for it for other people.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
I agree. Unless he has been tutored,there isn't a 7 year old around that even knows what a sexual identity is,much less one complaining about it. Plain and simple,this kid is a sexual political statement by two radical leftist lesbians that hate men. Kinda reminds me of a black guy I used to know that was adopted and raised by two white shrinks as a social experiment to prove a point. His mind was ALL messed up.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... "Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--
Doesn't give you that familiar sense of comfort of home because there's not enough pee on the floor? mininggold posted on 2011-10-04 10:22:53 ET W T F :) Lib...I bozoed that needle tracked truck stop mattress months ago. The WTF comment was likely what she posted in between searching for a non collapsed vein.
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way. (decided to retire the beatdowns on old worthless retread posters that are bozoed)
That proves you're not Dick Tracy, dick.
Ao contraire, Captain Clitty, I have an official designation from Detective Tracy hisself that I am indeed a valued Junior Crime Fighter.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Congratulations, dick! And the thread got a thousand views, dick. Thanks for playing along, dick, it's been a hoot!
Look Mildred!!! NIGGERS!!!! war posted on 2011-10-03 14:29:18 ET
Well of course you care about such a BIG number...being the small, yet sensitive patch of skin that you are, Captain Clitty... One of my threads had over 1000 replies... Try harder...
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
Thanks for playing along, dick, it's been a hoot! Yeah right, every click on the thread is counted as a view. I just gave you five more as a gift.
Every little bit helps.
Look Mildred!!! NIGGERS!!!! war posted on 2011-10-03 14:29:18 ET
Sounds too much like work, dick
Look Mildred!!! NIGGERS!!!! war posted on 2011-10-03 14:29:18 ET
Oh...that's right...you're a clit...it's someone else's job to take care of you...
Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs
#173. To: Sebastian, war (#156)
Employment Non-Discrimination Act, dick.
#174. To: mininggold, CZ82, e_type_jag (#158)
Doesn't give you that familiar sense of comfort of home because there's not enough pee on the floor?
#175. To: Liberator (#173)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#176. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone (#124)
Eugene is a university town and was an enclave for the counterculture that has molded it's character and the flavor of life here quite a bit.
#177. To: Liberator (#176)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#178. To: Liberator (#176)
#179. To: sneakypete (#152)
War: "Do you get it? MAJORITY being the consensus that emerged and prevailed. MINORITY being those who were not part of the process or who did not prevail."
#180. To: war (#177)
(Edited)
"Correct you are Libby...TRUE freedom is found in CONFORMITY..."
#181. To: Liberator (#179)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#182. To: Ferret Mike, Liberator (#180)
Kids are well loved and protected in the most liberal part of Eugene, homes look great, the people are friendly and there are a lot of really sharp and well educated folks in my neck of the woods.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#183. To: war (#182)
#184. To: Ferret Mike (#178)
No doubt you would fit into the Bethel District or north Eugene very well.
#185. To: war, Ferret Mike (#182)
(Edited)
HIs response will be that it's not the "right kind" of people...
#186. To: war (#181)
Just because you filled in the blanks here for Yeltsin, it doesn't seem to reveal any more cogence than the abridged version...
#187. To: war (#177)
Correct you are Libby...TRUE freedom is found in CONFORMITY...
#188. To: Sebastian (#0)
(Edited)
At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, therapists and psychiatrists diagnosed Tammy with gender identity disorder.
#189. To: Liberator (#186)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#190. To: Liberator (#187)
Hey - you can be however deviant and halloweenish as you'd like.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#191. To: war (#190)
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#192. To: war (#190)
#193. To: Biff Tannen (#191)
He sure loves the homo talk, eh.
#194. To: Liberator (#185)
Are they *your* kind of people?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#195. To: Biff Tannen (#191)
He sure loves the homo talk, eh.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#196. To: mininggold (#158)
If you are smart you will never/ever visit a womens public bathroom!!!! I used to do janitors work on Sundays when I worked for Ponderosa as a teenager, trust me when I say "stay out"!!!!
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#197. To: war (#194)
www.trivillage.com should allay those fears...
#198. To: Liberator (#174)
W
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#199. To: war (#195)
I believe that it was Libby who jumped on the Volkswagen when I stated that my commuter car is a Passat because....
#200. To: CZ82 (#198)
Don't ask.... LOL....
#201. To: Liberator (#179)
God forbid the day the Left and their allied caucuses of entitled, embittered discontented fascists-socialists metastasize and finally gain numerical superiority (which is fast approaching.) It'll make the first Civil War seem like nail salon skirmish.
#202. To: Liberator (#188)
NO seven year old is that wrapped up and disturbed over their sexual identity.
#203. To: sneakypete (#202)
Plain and simple,this kid is a sexual political statement by two radical leftist lesbians that hate men.
BINGO.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#204. To: Liberator (#174)
#205. To: war (#169)
I HAVE it figured out Captain Clitty of the SS Bearded Clam..you need to get the last word in without saying anything - just like any other vag...
#206. To: Sebastian (#205)
That proves you're not Dick Tracy, dick.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#207. To: war (#206)
Ao contraire, Captain Clitty, I have an official designation from Detective Tracy hisself that I am indeed a valued Junior Crime Fighter.
#208. To: Sebastian (#207)
And the thread got a thousand views, dick.
#209. To: Sebastian (#207)
And the thread got a thousand views, dick.
#210. To: mininggold (#209)
Yeah right, every click on the thread is counted as a view. I just gave you five more as a gift.
#211. To: war (#208)
Try harder
#212. To: Sebastian (#211)
Sounds too much like work, dick
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