Title: 'I am a girl': The plight of Tammy, the adopted son of two lesbians who started sex change aged 8 because he has always maintained he is a girl Source:
Daily Mail Online URL Source:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... ormone-blocking-treatment.html Published:Sep 29, 2011 Author:John Stevens Post Date:2011-09-29 22:29:04 by Sebastian Keywords:None Views:127010 Comments:212
'As soon as we let him put on a dress his personality changed to a very happy little girl thrilled to be alive'
A boy who started the process of changing sex at age eight has told how he always knew he was meant to be a girl.
Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment in Berkeley, California to stop him going through puberty as a boy.
His two lesbian mothers, who adopted him aged two, say that they have been criticised by friends and family, but insist they have not forced their son to become a girl.
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Therapy: Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment
No pressure: The boy's two lesbian adopted mothers, Debra, left, and Pauline, right, say that they have not forced their son to become a girl
They say that one of the first things he told them when he learnt sign language aged three, learned because of a speech impediment, was, 'I am a girl'.
Tammy, now 11, wears dresses and effectively lives as a girl.
His parents, Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel, say that their son, who they claim was depressed at a younger age and threatened to chop of his own penis, is now much happier.
The couple were married in 1990 by a rabbi, according to Pauline's Facebook page, and have two older sons and grandchildren.
PROUD MOM: Two photos of Tammy from one of Pauline's Facebook albums called 'My Sweet Sweet Princess'
Here is Tammy with her mothers and older brother Edgar at his recent bar mitzvah. Mother Pauline said Tammy was shy and unhappy as a boy when compared to her older, outgoing brothers
Unlike his older brothers who are both described at outgoing and athletic, Thomas liked to read Wonder Woman comic books and play with dolls.
He shunned baseball hats, preferring rhinestone hair accessories.
At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, therapists and psychiatrists diagnosed Tammy with gender identity disorder.
A year later his parents allowed him to start the first step of his transition to becoming female by letting him pick his own clothes and wear bras.
Tammy favor headbands to baseball hats and picked out bras and dresses to start wearing when given choice in clothing to wear
'As soon as we let him put on a dress, his personality changed from a very sad kid who sat still, didn't do much of anything to a very happy little girl who was thrilled to be alive,' one mother Pauline told CNN.
This summer, Tammy started taking hormone-blocking drugs, which will stop him from experiencing puberty.
The hormone-suppressant will postpone the 11-year-old developing broad shoulders, deep voice and facial hair.The diagnosis has been hard to accept for Tammy's parents, but they insist their sexuality has nothing to do with it.
As Pauline said, people think 'we're pushing her to do this. I'm a lesbian. My partner is a lesbian. That suddenly falls into the fold: "Oh, you want her to be part of the lifestyle you guys live".'
Unhappy: Tammy was adopted aged two by Debra Lobel and Pauline Moreno
But they insist that is not the case and the decision has been difficult.
His parents say the hormone treatment will give him time to figure out if he wants to fully transition to being female or go through puberty as a boy.
If he chooses to stop taking the drugs, he will undergo natural male puberty at a later stage and his future fertility would not be impacted.
Should he decide to transition to an adult female, he can take female hormones as well, which would raise his voice, grow breasts and develop other feminine physical characteristics.
Pauline and Debra have been married since 1990, when they were joined in a commitment ceremony by their rabbi
San Francisco, right by Berkeley, is one of four cities in the United States with a hospital that has a program for transgender children.
The University of California San Francisco is home to the Center of Excellence for Transgender Health.
Children are seen at length by mental health professionals and then treated by pediatric endocrinologists.
Others cities with youth programs are Boston, Seattle and Los Angeles.
When I was a little boy, I loathed black people and fat people like they were the devil incarnate. I remember one horrible occasion where I made a cafeteria wide scene crying and pouting because I was forced to sit next to a very overweight girl.
I'm with ya, dude.
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Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#171. To: Ferret Mike, sneakypete, A K A Stone (#162)
I lreaned my hatred was based on my fear of the people who viewed themselves as the enforcer of homophobia. Once I learned homosexuals were no different then other folks, I no longer feared or hated a sexual imprinting of their's that affects no one adversely.
Mike, I admire your peace and love approach to life....well, mostly. You mean well. HOWEVER, your hatred of Tea Party/Conservative folk is your one exemption of your Life's Rule. Oh btw - homosexuals ARE different than other folks, and so are transvestites and transgendered people. VERY different.
Moreover, your acceptance and blind obedience for the queer militancy movement is obvious. Yes, there ARE militants and "enforcers" *of* that movement as well. Even you inferred some kind of stereotypical "southern sheriff-like" retribution in this thread for those who demonstrate "homophobic" behavior in Eugene. What an effed up place it must be. Geez....
Stone can keep on using his religion as an excuse, but he does not fool me. His hatred and intolerence is a disease that has no real standing even in the Christian faith.
The gay militancy and entitlement is what Stone hates. I can relate. WTH must we be compelled to "tolerate" gay militancy? The gay Nazis don't want "tolerance," they *demand* respect. Nope, ain't happening.
You unfortunately support this retributive war, hatred and entitlement by gays - which is the same retributive war, hatred and entitlement ALL the "minority" tribes and groups demand these days. The focal point of their guns and convenient bogeyman "oppressor" of their respective fascism is white/Christian/Euro/hetero society.
This is about....POWER. Not equality. NOT "rights."
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
You've nailed in in this thread; War and his selectively-tolerant Leftist brethren aren't not exactly interested in the truth of the matter. He and they are just stoking the fires of their anarchical socialist wet-dream uprising of misfits, freaks, and mutants. ANY-thing that bolsters their warped vision of a total cluster-FUBAR America.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Doesn't give you that familiar sense of comfort of home because there's not enough pee on the floor?
mininggold posted on 2011-10-04 10:22:53 ET
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"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Eugene is a university town and was an enclave for the counterculture that has molded it's character and the flavor of life here quite a bit.
IOW, it's a socialist, parasitic diseased cuckoo's nest of mental cases, poly-sexuals, new age freaks, and anti-family misfits who publicly urinate on the normal, traditional, and sane.
How does a Eugene resident remain sane in that environment?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
No doubt you would fit into the Bethel District or north Eugene very well.
We are large enough a city now no one demographic holds the other hostage.
I live in the Whiteaker District where the mayor Kitty Percy resides as well.
I would say that the Whit does have an epic number of Lesbian couples, but that is merely the testament to hatred an enclave's members took refuge from.
And if this is a 'ghetto,' more parts of the U.S. should be one too. Kids are well loved and protected in the most liberal part of Eugene, homes look great, the people are friendly and there are a lot of really sharp and well educated folks in my neck of the woods.
So you are welcome to your little stereotype of a put down, but I am here for a reason; I don't know any place i would rather be.
If we have any problems, it's gentrification, and that crazy guy Charie that hangs around Tiny's Tavern. I think he's one of Stone's relatives, he really should do something about him.
War: "Do you get it? MAJORITY being the consensus that emerged and prevailed. MINORITY being those who were not part of the process or who did not prevail."
So,what are you trying to say? Are you saying that the the typical Dim voter is now the majority and that things are as they should be because ignorant people and even dead people vote Dim consistently?
HA! This must be one of those 0bama-moments....sumpin like "elections have consequences"....
HALLELUJAH!! The Dim-Rat voter tsunami of the dead and monochromatic brain-dead socialists is about to steamroll their (cough, hack) oppressors.
God forbid the day the Left and their allied caucuses of entitled, embittered discontented fascists-socialists metastasize and finally gain numerical superiority (which is fast approaching.) It'll make the first Civil War seem like nail salon skirmish.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Kids are well loved and protected in the most liberal part of Eugene, homes look great, the people are friendly and there are a lot of really sharp and well educated folks in my neck of the woods.
HIs response will be that it's not the "right kind" of people...
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush
"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
He would be like the occasional conserva-nutzie who moves to the Whit and is horrified that he can't erect a tall fence to block the view of say a lesbian couple's well kept hope with it's solar panels and a Volt car in the driveway across the street from him. (horrors!)
He would go to the planning department and rail agains the socialistic people who like neighborhoods, not boxed properties.
He would call the police in panic the first time he saw a topless lesbian couple talking at Scobert park and embellish his call to 911 with a detail or two like he saw them kiss a couple of times too.
They would politely ask if these women were doing anything illegal and then try to gently explain being topless is not a crime in Eugene.
this would burst one of his blood vessels if he was one of these folks who have moved in and either learned to blend in in a friendly way, or to wind up moving to another part of town.... like the bethel or North Eugene -- which actually has *GASP!* gated communities great for keeping us safer by keeping nuts who live there in one place off by themselves.
No doubt you would fit into the Bethel District or north Eugene very well.
Is that where the area's normal people live? :-) Has there been any talk of walling off their town border?
We are large enough a city now no one demographic holds the other hostage.
But collectively the city's goobermint no doubt is infested and controlled by the birds-of-a-feather oddballs and anti-Christians, thus holding normal citizens hostage to the whims of their oddball constituency.
Though your city has a right to govern as it sees fit (as long as it's governed constitutionally), I feel remorse for families who've resided there for generations.
I live in the Whiteaker District where the mayor Kitty Percy resides as well...I would say that the Whit does have an epic number of Lesbian couples, but that is merely the testament to hatred an enclave's members took refuge from.
Michael, I don't believe it's a "hatred" at all; It's a resentment of queer folk who *demand* acceptance and respect of their sexual status and overt/public demonstrations of affection. Ain't happening, bro.
And if this is a 'ghetto,' more parts of the U.S. should be one too. Kids are well loved and protected in the most liberal part of Eugene, homes look great, the people are friendly and there are a lot of really sharp and well educated folks in my neck of the woods.
A "ghetto"? No, not quite. An "enclave" was more like it. And as you know, most queer people are far more wealthy than straight people. And more "educated." Moreover, we both know queers are very committed to hiring and blatantly favoring their own - just like the other "minority" tribes and cults. This to the point of most likely violating EEOC laws (which we also know would NEVER be enforced against gay/black/Latino bosses)
So you are welcome to your little stereotype of a put down, but I am here for a reason; I don't know any place i would rather be.
Many stereotypes happen to be true, Mike. FWIW, I'm glad you are happy in Eugene. But it is what it is.
If we have any problems, it's gentrification, and that crazy guy Charie that hangs around Tiny's Tavern. I think he's one of Stone's relatives, he really should do something about him.
The gentrification phenomena has taken place in several NJ towns near NYC and along the Jersey coastal towns. It's a good thing IMO. As to Stone's cousin/uncle hanging at Tiny's, give 'em a break. He's now an oppressed "minority" who's merely misunderstood and looking for respect and acceptance of his straight lifestyle.
;-p
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
HIs response will be that it's not the "right kind" of people...
Are they *your* kind of people?
Secondly, between you and Mike I'm afraid there'd be a shortage of Spandex pelts in Eugene if you two ever shared the town (or whatever else - not that there's anything wrong with that.)
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Just because you filled in the blanks here for Yeltsin, it doesn't seem to reveal any more cogence than the abridged version...
I tried to chuckle....but it just wasn't happening.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Correct you are Libby...TRUE freedom is found in CONFORMITY...
Hey - you can be however deviant and halloweenish as you'd like. Nobody's stopping you from wearing your lycra-spandex jumpsuit with a pair of 5" stillettos...
But just don't demand the rest of us pretend your sporting a black strap-on on your head is "just an accessory."
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, therapists and psychiatrists diagnosed Tammy with gender identity disorder.
Absolute bullsh*t.
NO seven year old is that wrapped up and disturbed over their sexual identity.
The mutant bull-dyke "mothers" are blatant criminal child-abusers. This case is a disgrace.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
You sure like mulling over the phrase "homo-talk." If I had to venture a guess, I'd say this thread mirrors your own biography...in certain respects.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
I don't know. I have never met them. I've encountered more hetero assholes than I do gay or lesbian. One of my life long friends is gay and I helped him reconcile with his dad 10 years after he came out to him and got disowned. I'm not sure that I have ever met anyone transgendered. Suspected and s/he was a decent sort.
Secondly, between you and Mike I'm afraid there'd be a shortage of Spandex pelts in Eugene if you two ever shared the town (or whatever else - not that there's anything wrong with that.)
www.trivillage.com should allay those fears...
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush
"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Yukon lite...I believe that it was Libby who jumped on the Volkswagen when I stated that my commuter car is a Passat because, dontcha know, it's not sucking cock that makes a man gay, it's the car that he drives...
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush
"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
If you are smart you will never/ever visit a womens public bathroom!!!! I used to do janitors work on Sundays when I worked for Ponderosa as a teenager, trust me when I say "stay out"!!!!
Doesn't give you that familiar sense of comfort of home because there's not enough pee on the floor?
Yea right, whatever..... It was what was stuck on the walls that had to be scraped off with a putty knife that was repugnent.... little white mice!!!!
"CHANGE" you can step in..... My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
No thanks. This place is already spandex-hell in a hand basket.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
I believe that it was Libby who jumped on the Volkswagen when I stated that my commuter car is a Passat because....
...dontcha know, it's not sucking cock that makes a man gay, it's the car that he drives...
That's funny - I wish it were me who'd said it...
The second part of your prose is the stuff of Dem/socialist taglines...who just happen to drive VWs or Subarus.
Isn't THAT odd how that worked out?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
You probably wouldn't get a coherent answer anyway....
LMAO!
Btw, in a related matter, GREAT tagline.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
God forbid the day the Left and their allied caucuses of entitled, embittered discontented fascists-socialists metastasize and finally gain numerical superiority (which is fast approaching.) It'll make the first Civil War seem like nail salon skirmish.
If nothing else it will be the day our economy collapses and riots begin as all the "free stuff" disappears because there is nobody left to work and pay for it. Or willing to work to pay for it for other people.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
NO seven year old is that wrapped up and disturbed over their sexual identity.
I agree. Unless he has been tutored,there isn't a 7 year old around that even knows what a sexual identity is,much less one complaining about it.
Plain and simple,this kid is a sexual political statement by two radical leftist lesbians that hate men.
Kinda reminds me of a black guy I used to know that was adopted and raised by two white shrinks as a social experiment to prove a point. His mind was ALL messed up.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
Plain and simple,this kid is a sexual political statement by two radical leftist lesbians that hate men.
BINGO.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--