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Title: 'I am a girl': The plight of Tammy, the adopted son of two lesbians who started sex change aged 8 because he has always maintained he is a girl
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Daily Mail Online
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... ormone-blocking-treatment.html
Published: Sep 29, 2011
Author: John Stevens
Post Date: 2011-09-29 22:29:04 by Sebastian
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A boy who started the process of changing sex at age eight has told how he always knew he was meant to be a girl. Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment in Berkeley, California to stop him going through puberty as a boy. His two lesbian mothers, who adopted him aged two, say that they have been criticised by friends and family, but insist they have not forced their son to become a girl. Scroll down for video Therapy: Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment No pressure: The boy's two lesbian adopted mothers, Debra, left, and Pauline, right, say that they have not forced their son to become a girl They say that one of the first things he told them when he learnt sign language aged three, learned because of a speech impediment, was, 'I am a girl'. Tammy, now 11, wears dresses and effectively lives as a girl. His parents, Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel, say that their son, who they claim was depressed at a younger age and threatened to chop of his own penis, is now much happier. The couple were married in 1990 by a rabbi, according to Pauline's Facebook page, and have two older sons and grandchildren. PROUD MOM: Two photos of Tammy from one of Pauline's Facebook albums called 'My Sweet Sweet Princess' Here is Tammy with her mothers and older brother Edgar at his recent bar mitzvah. Mother Pauline said Tammy was shy and unhappy as a boy when compared to her older, outgoing brothers Unlike his older brothers who are both described at outgoing and athletic, Thomas liked to read Wonder Woman comic books and play with dolls. He shunned baseball hats, preferring rhinestone hair accessories. At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, therapists and psychiatrists diagnosed Tammy with gender identity disorder. A year later his parents allowed him to start the first step of his transition to becoming female by letting him pick his own clothes and wear bras. Tammy favor headbands to baseball hats and picked out bras and dresses to start wearing when given choice in clothing to wear 'As soon as we let him put on a dress, his personality changed from a very sad kid who sat still, didn't do much of anything to a very happy little girl who was thrilled to be alive,' one mother Pauline told CNN. This summer, Tammy started taking hormone-blocking drugs, which will stop him from experiencing puberty. The hormone-suppressant will postpone the 11-year-old developing broad shoulders, deep voice and facial hair.The diagnosis has been hard to accept for Tammy's parents, but they insist their sexuality has nothing to do with it. As Pauline said, people think 'we're pushing her to do this. I'm a lesbian. My partner is a lesbian. That suddenly falls into the fold: "Oh, you want her to be part of the lifestyle you guys live".' Unhappy: Tammy was adopted aged two by Debra Lobel and Pauline Moreno But they insist that is not the case and the decision has been difficult. His parents say the hormone treatment will give him time to figure out if he wants to fully transition to being female or go through puberty as a boy. If he chooses to stop taking the drugs, he will undergo natural male puberty at a later stage and his future fertility would not be impacted. Should he decide to transition to an adult female, he can take female hormones as well, which would raise his voice, grow breasts and develop other feminine physical characteristics. Pauline and Debra have been married since 1990, when they were joined in a commitment ceremony by their rabbi San Francisco, right by Berkeley, is one of four cities in the United States with a hospital that has a program for transgender children. The University of California San Francisco is home to the Center of Excellence for Transgender Health. Children are seen at length by mental health professionals and then treated by pediatric endocrinologists. Others cities with youth programs are Boston, Seattle and Los Angeles. Watch the video report: 
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#158. To: CZ82 (#155)
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I used to do janitors work on Sundays when I worked for Ponderosa as a teenager, trust me when I say "stay out"!!!! Doesn't give you that familiar sense of comfort of home because there's not enough pee on the floor?
LOL! There is no need for me to fool you. You have fooled yourself into thinking you are a conservative,even though you think there should be different classes of citizens with different rights. Mussolini,Hitler,Stalin,Mao,and Castro all agree with you,not me.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
Find out what leftism is,and then get back with me,comrade.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
Really? I thought you guys were all for going back to the era of chamber pots.
You have the root of his problem; an addiction to hatred. Stone has dehumanized in his mind anyone who doesn't love in the party line of his version of religion. Even someone who is beyond any doubt a conservative, if you refuse to dehumanize someone he hates like they were a demon and a different species. He is hard to put up with. I feel sorry for him, but that only goes so far. I have pretty much had enough of his crap. If people like yo were not here, I wouldn't be here anymore at all. He did the same crap in 4UM he does here, but he can't play respectful or nice, so he gets banned most places because he is so hard to tolerate. If he didn't have his own pop stand here, the poor tyke would be virtually without a forum to go to. When I was a little boy, I loathed black people and fat people like they were the devil incarnate. I remember one horrible occasion where I made a cafeteria wide scene crying and pouting because I was forced to sit next to a very overweight girl. Yiu see, I was reflexting my Mom's disease of bigotry and hatred. When I got older I started reading books by Richard Wright, John Howard Griffin, and many other accounts of people who triumphed over the hatred of bigotry and I healed. There is one man I can never get his face out of my head from my Army days. He was a friend who worked in PAC and was one of those typewriter commandos who actually went the extra mile to searve people well who needed administration actions, record and other work done. He had been promoted ahead of his peers and I got to kow him well enough to be invited over to his trailer in Raeford, N.C. It was eye opening to have a group of friends like that who helped distroy my last remaning bigotry toward homosexual people. No one in his circle who were gay ever went beyond checking where my head was at and my sexuality was very much respected. I came to realize my dislike of gays was also an affactation. It remained long after I should of known better then to hate because like other hetreosexual boys and men, I absolutely did not want any harrassment or mistake made about my sexuality. I lreaned my hatred was based on my fear of the people who viewed themselves as the enforcer of homophobia. Once I learned homosexuals were no different then other folks, I no longer feared or hated a sexual imprinting of their's that affects no one adversely. I no longer hare who speeps with who as long as they are consenting, and not related biologically too close. He was outted by someone who picked the lock on his personal briefcase and eavesdropped on personal mail he had in it from his boyfriend. I remember seeing him after he was forced to move back into the barracks, was busted to E-1 and was bullied unmercify by the baiters and haters with mindsets like stone. He didn't deserve what he got, and it made a huge impression on me. Which is why when the idiot here tried to bait me as possiblt being gay or whatever, I ignore him knowing he's responsible to handle his own hatred, and it can't infect me or hurt me anymore. Now the only time I hate a gay guy or lesbian is if they steal, lie, or are a general scoundrel and SOB anyway. If they function well in society, have a good job and care about their community at large, then what they do in their own bedroom does not bother me in the least. Whom they love ain't my affair or business. Stone can keep on using his religion as an excuse, but he does not fool me. His hatred and intolerence is a disease that has no real standing even in the Christian faith. And one can be conservative and gay or lesbian or not bigotted against them. Maybe he'll wake up and realize this one day. I sure hope so, but I'm sure glad I don't have to put up with the SOB live and in person in my home city.
And there it is. All the other words you wrote were filler,and the ones above are the hard core of reality. Beyond that,it makes not one bit of difference at all who anyone,including you,I,or Stone,likes or dislikes because ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS. MY rights are NOT dependent of your approval,any more than YOUR rights are dependent on MY approval. If they did,they would be permissions,not rights. It ain't even about liking or hating someone or even liking and hating their politics because all that is irrelevant. None of us are required to like anybody despite the PC police being out in full force everywhere you go trying to insist we all MUST think the same. What we are ALL required to do by the US Constitution is to accept that other American citizens have the same rights WE have,and you have to be a total fucking idiot to not be able to recognize the indisputable FACT that if we ain't all free,NONE of us are free. ANY government that has the authority to tell homosexuals what kind of sex they CAN'T have also has the authority to tell thee and me what kind of sex we MUST have. It boggles the imagination that people can't see something that blindingly obvious. It ain't like it hasn't be proven over and over all through history. Probably the most famous example is "I didn't protest when they came to take the Jews away because I wasn't a Jew......". Whether some people like it or not,we are all passengers on the same boat. With all that implies.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011
Take it or leave it, dick.
Chuckles...PMS, Vag? You cited legislation that has never passed a chamber as proof of what? That like any other Snappin' Gyro you talk a lot while really saying nothing?
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Suffer from ADD, dick? Focus, dick. You just may be able to figure it out, dick. But whether you can or can't, dick, that's all you get.
I'm not the Vag here, Vag. Focus, dick. For some reason "focus" and "dick" seems to be an intuitively interactive dynamic for you... You just may be able to figure it out, dick. I HAVE it figured out Captain Clitty of the SS Bearded Clam..you need to get the last word in without saying anything - just like any other vag...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Might be time for you just to pack up your diddy-bag and head on off to another thread, dick. You're starting to drool all over this one, dick.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
I'm with ya, dude.
------------------------------------- Mike, I admire your peace and love approach to life....well, mostly. You mean well. HOWEVER, your hatred of Tea Party/Conservative folk is your one exemption of your Life's Rule. Oh btw - homosexuals ARE different than other folks, and so are transvestites and transgendered people. VERY different. Moreover, your acceptance and blind obedience for the queer militancy movement is obvious. Yes, there ARE militants and "enforcers" *of* that movement as well. Even you inferred some kind of stereotypical "southern sheriff-like" retribution in this thread for those who demonstrate "homophobic" behavior in Eugene. What an effed up place it must be. Geez.... Stone can keep on using his religion as an excuse, but he does not fool me. His hatred and intolerence is a disease that has no real standing even in the Christian faith. The gay militancy and entitlement is what Stone hates. I can relate. WTH must we be compelled to "tolerate" gay militancy? The gay Nazis don't want "tolerance," they *demand* respect. Nope, ain't happening. You unfortunately support this retributive war, hatred and entitlement by gays - which is the same retributive war, hatred and entitlement ALL the "minority" tribes and groups demand these days. The focal point of their guns and convenient bogeyman "oppressor" of their respective fascism is white/Christian/Euro/hetero society. This is about....POWER. Not equality. NOT "rights."
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Gawd...lol. What a dysfunction pair.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Get someone to read it to you, dick. Then find someone to explain it to you, dick. You've nailed in in this thread; War and his selectively-tolerant Leftist brethren aren't not exactly interested in the truth of the matter. He and they are just stoking the fires of their anarchical socialist wet-dream uprising of misfits, freaks, and mutants. ANY-thing that bolsters their warped vision of a total cluster-FUBAR America.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
mininggold posted on 2011-10-04 10:22:53 ET W T F
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
As was pointed out ENDA isn't law.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
IOW, it's a socialist, parasitic diseased cuckoo's nest of mental cases, poly-sexuals, new age freaks, and anti-family misfits who publicly urinate on the normal, traditional, and sane. How does a Eugene resident remain sane in that environment?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Correct you are Libby...TRUE freedom is found in CONFORMITY...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
No doubt you would fit into the Bethel District or north Eugene very well. We are large enough a city now no one demographic holds the other hostage. I live in the Whiteaker District where the mayor Kitty Percy resides as well. I would say that the Whit does have an epic number of Lesbian couples, but that is merely the testament to hatred an enclave's members took refuge from. And if this is a 'ghetto,' more parts of the U.S. should be one too. Kids are well loved and protected in the most liberal part of Eugene, homes look great, the people are friendly and there are a lot of really sharp and well educated folks in my neck of the woods. So you are welcome to your little stereotype of a put down, but I am here for a reason; I don't know any place i would rather be. If we have any problems, it's gentrification, and that crazy guy Charie that hangs around Tiny's Tavern. I think he's one of Stone's relatives, he really should do something about him.
So,what are you trying to say? Are you saying that the the typical Dim voter is now the majority and that things are as they should be because ignorant people and even dead people vote Dim consistently? HA! This must be one of those 0bama-moments....sumpin like "elections have consequences".... HALLELUJAH!! The Dim-Rat voter tsunami of the dead and monochromatic brain-dead socialists is about to steamroll their (cough, hack) oppressors. God forbid the day the Left and their allied caucuses of entitled, embittered discontented fascists-socialists metastasize and finally gain numerical superiority (which is fast approaching.) It'll make the first Civil War seem like nail salon skirmish.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Of course you are only free if you conform, comply, submit, and don't bend, fold or mutilate. There should be a nice, neat box for everything, and they must be placed in exactly the right spot. (SIC)
Just because you filled in the blanks here for Yeltsin, it doesn't seem to reveal any more cogence than the abridged version...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
HIs response will be that it's not the "right kind" of people...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
He would be like the occasional conserva-nutzie who moves to the Whit and is horrified that he can't erect a tall fence to block the view of say a lesbian couple's well kept hope with it's solar panels and a Volt car in the driveway across the street from him. (horrors!) He would go to the planning department and rail agains the socialistic people who like neighborhoods, not boxed properties. He would call the police in panic the first time he saw a topless lesbian couple talking at Scobert park and embellish his call to 911 with a detail or two like he saw them kiss a couple of times too. They would politely ask if these women were doing anything illegal and then try to gently explain being topless is not a crime in Eugene. this would burst one of his blood vessels if he was one of these folks who have moved in and either learned to blend in in a friendly way, or to wind up moving to another part of town.... like the bethel or North Eugene -- which actually has *GASP!* gated communities great for keeping us safer by keeping nuts who live there in one place off by themselves.
Is that where the area's normal people live? :-) Has there been any talk of walling off their town border? We are large enough a city now no one demographic holds the other hostage. But collectively the city's goobermint no doubt is infested and controlled by the birds-of-a-feather oddballs and anti-Christians, thus holding normal citizens hostage to the whims of their oddball constituency. Though your city has a right to govern as it sees fit (as long as it's governed constitutionally), I feel remorse for families who've resided there for generations. I live in the Whiteaker District where the mayor Kitty Percy resides as well...I would say that the Whit does have an epic number of Lesbian couples, but that is merely the testament to hatred an enclave's members took refuge from. Michael, I don't believe it's a "hatred" at all; It's a resentment of queer folk who *demand* acceptance and respect of their sexual status and overt/public demonstrations of affection. Ain't happening, bro. And if this is a 'ghetto,' more parts of the U.S. should be one too. Kids are well loved and protected in the most liberal part of Eugene, homes look great, the people are friendly and there are a lot of really sharp and well educated folks in my neck of the woods. A "ghetto"? No, not quite. An "enclave" was more like it. And as you know, most queer people are far more wealthy than straight people. And more "educated." Moreover, we both know queers are very committed to hiring and blatantly favoring their own - just like the other "minority" tribes and cults. This to the point of most likely violating EEOC laws (which we also know would NEVER be enforced against gay/black/Latino bosses) So you are welcome to your little stereotype of a put down, but I am here for a reason; I don't know any place i would rather be. Many stereotypes happen to be true, Mike. FWIW, I'm glad you are happy in Eugene. But it is what it is. If we have any problems, it's gentrification, and that crazy guy Charie that hangs around Tiny's Tavern. I think he's one of Stone's relatives, he really should do something about him. The gentrification phenomena has taken place in several NJ towns near NYC and along the Jersey coastal towns. It's a good thing IMO. As to Stone's cousin/uncle hanging at Tiny's, give 'em a break. He's now an oppressed "minority" who's merely misunderstood and looking for respect and acceptance of his straight lifestyle. ;-p
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Are they *your* kind of people? Secondly, between you and Mike I'm afraid there'd be a shortage of Spandex pelts in Eugene if you two ever shared the town (or whatever else - not that there's anything wrong with that.)
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
I tried to chuckle....but it just wasn't happening.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Hey - you can be however deviant and halloweenish as you'd like. Nobody's stopping you from wearing your lycra-spandex jumpsuit with a pair of 5" stillettos... But just don't demand the rest of us pretend your sporting a black strap-on on your head is "just an accessory."
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Absolute bullsh*t. NO seven year old is that wrapped up and disturbed over their sexual identity. The mutant bull-dyke "mothers" are blatant criminal child-abusers. This case is a disgrace.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Neither was I...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Thanks, Libby. You win birther, er, brother of the week for that one...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
He sure loves the homo talk, eh. How long till he has a 'I posted the wrong link' moment.
------------------------------------- That's "birf-er."
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
You sure like mulling over the phrase "homo-talk." If I had to venture a guess, I'd say this thread mirrors your own biography...in certain respects.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
I don't know. I have never met them. I've encountered more hetero assholes than I do gay or lesbian. One of my life long friends is gay and I helped him reconcile with his dad 10 years after he came out to him and got disowned. I'm not sure that I have ever met anyone transgendered. Suspected and s/he was a decent sort. Secondly, between you and Mike I'm afraid there'd be a shortage of Spandex pelts in Eugene if you two ever shared the town (or whatever else - not that there's anything wrong with that.) www.trivillage.com should allay those fears...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Yukon lite...I believe that it was Libby who jumped on the Volkswagen when I stated that my commuter car is a Passat because, dontcha know, it's not sucking cock that makes a man gay, it's the car that he drives...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Doesn't give you that familiar sense of comfort of home because there's not enough pee on the floor? Yea right, whatever..... It was what was stuck on the walls that had to be scraped off with a putty knife that was repugnent.... little white mice!!!!
"CHANGE" you can step in..... No thanks. This place is already spandex-hell in a hand basket.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
T F Don't ask.... LOL.... You probably wouldn't get a coherent answer anyway....
"CHANGE" you can step in.....
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#159. To: A K A Stone (#153)
You and your homo propaganda isn't fooling anyone freakypete. Lefty.
#160. To: A K A Stone (#154)
Your leftist argument is akin to me demanding the right to go in the womans restroom. Lefty.
#161. To: A K A Stone (#154)
Your leftist argument is akin to me demanding the right to go in the womans restroom.
#162. To: sneakypete (#159)
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"There is no need for me to fool you. You have fooled yourself into thinking you are a conservative,even though you think there should be different classes of citizens with different rights."
#163. To: Ferret Mike, AKAStone, ALL (#162)
Whom they love ain't my affair or business.
#164. To: war (#157)
Are you going to get around to answering the original question, Vag:
#165. To: Sebastian (#164)
Take it or leave it, dick.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#166. To: war (#165)
You cited legislation that has never passed a chamber as proof of what?
#167. To: Sebastian (#166)
Suffer from ADD, dick?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#168. To: war (#167)
I HAVE it figured out Captain Clitty of the SS Bearded Clam..you need to get the last word in without saying anything - just like any other vag...
#169. To: Sebastian (#168)
I HAVE it figured out Captain Clitty of the SS Bearded Clam..you need to get the last word in without saying anything - just like any other vag...
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#170. To: Ferret Mike (#162)
When I was a little boy, I loathed black people and fat people like they were the devil incarnate. I remember one horrible occasion where I made a cafeteria wide scene crying and pouting because I was forced to sit next to a very overweight girl.
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#171. To: Ferret Mike, sneakypete, A K A Stone (#162)
I lreaned my hatred was based on my fear of the people who viewed themselves as the enforcer of homophobia. Once I learned homosexuals were no different then other folks, I no longer feared or hated a sexual imprinting of their's that affects no one adversely.
#172. To: Biff Tannen, Ferret Mike (#170)
#173. To: Sebastian, war (#156)
Employment Non-Discrimination Act, dick.
#174. To: mininggold, CZ82, e_type_jag (#158)
Doesn't give you that familiar sense of comfort of home because there's not enough pee on the floor?
#175. To: Liberator (#173)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#176. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone (#124)
Eugene is a university town and was an enclave for the counterculture that has molded it's character and the flavor of life here quite a bit.
#177. To: Liberator (#176)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#178. To: Liberator (#176)
#179. To: sneakypete (#152)
War: "Do you get it? MAJORITY being the consensus that emerged and prevailed. MINORITY being those who were not part of the process or who did not prevail."
#180. To: war (#177)
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"Correct you are Libby...TRUE freedom is found in CONFORMITY..."
#181. To: Liberator (#179)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#182. To: Ferret Mike, Liberator (#180)
Kids are well loved and protected in the most liberal part of Eugene, homes look great, the people are friendly and there are a lot of really sharp and well educated folks in my neck of the woods.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#183. To: war (#182)
#184. To: Ferret Mike (#178)
No doubt you would fit into the Bethel District or north Eugene very well.
#185. To: war, Ferret Mike (#182)
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HIs response will be that it's not the "right kind" of people...
#186. To: war (#181)
Just because you filled in the blanks here for Yeltsin, it doesn't seem to reveal any more cogence than the abridged version...
#187. To: war (#177)
Correct you are Libby...TRUE freedom is found in CONFORMITY...
#188. To: Sebastian (#0)
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At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, therapists and psychiatrists diagnosed Tammy with gender identity disorder.
#189. To: Liberator (#186)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#190. To: Liberator (#187)
Hey - you can be however deviant and halloweenish as you'd like.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#191. To: war (#190)
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#192. To: war (#190)
#193. To: Biff Tannen (#191)
He sure loves the homo talk, eh.
#194. To: Liberator (#185)
Are they *your* kind of people?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#195. To: Biff Tannen (#191)
He sure loves the homo talk, eh.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#196. To: mininggold (#158)
If you are smart you will never/ever visit a womens public bathroom!!!! I used to do janitors work on Sundays when I worked for Ponderosa as a teenager, trust me when I say "stay out"!!!!
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#197. To: war (#194)
www.trivillage.com should allay those fears...
#198. To: Liberator (#174)
W
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
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