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Title: The Electric Car Nightmare
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URL Source: http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article30619.html
Published: Sep 26, 2011
Author: Andrew_McKillop
Post Date: 2011-09-26 14:12:16 by Capitalist Eric
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Electric car and low carbon energy boomers from Carlos Ghosn of Renault-Nissan and Dan Akerson of GM, to Sir Richard Branson, Al Gore, James Lovelock, Stewart Brand and a host of other promoters of the politically correct future never lose a chance preaching massive numbers of all electric cars in the national car fleets of every developed country by around 2020. To be sure, what "massive" means is variable geometry - it could be just a few million cars, it might be more and they hope out loud, a lot more. Ghosn says his firm will be able to crank out 1 million-a-year Leaf-type family electric saloons "by 2015", and much more after that. Other major car making chiefs like Akerson, and the chiefs of emerging giant automakers in China and India are less sure, or more cautious, but say they could easily match anything Renault-Nissan can do "within 10 or 15 years" if the market demand - and above all the government subsidies - are there. Ghosn thinks out loud that French and other European governments will jumpstart the electric car flood by handing out subsidies of up to 7000 euro on each electric car. For 1 million-a-year that would be a cool 7 billion euro-a-year tinkling through Renault-Nissan cash registers, handed out by generous, but unfortunately stony broke European governments. Is that credible ? Is that sustainable ? We also need to believe there will be magic scientific breakthroughs with electric car batteries, making them cheaper, easier and faster to charge, have longer life times, and not flake out after a few hundred recharges in fast charge mode, using high voltage and high amperage charging instead of regular home voltage plug-in charging at a mere 5 kW a time. We will hope, with the car industry, that rare earth element supply will keep up with mass production of electric cars (needing strange expensive metals like neodymium for electric motor magnets), noting that present world supply is at present about 95 percent sourced from China, which does not intend to raise production, but cut it. We will suppose that battery swapping problems will be solved: each electric car in the hoped-for new and massive all electric car fleets of Europe, the US, Japan, China and India will need as many as 3 batteries, at around 12 000 euro each, to keep the cars running 24/7. Funky highway swap stations run by Better Place and other new entrant, nice business model players will look after this, we are told, backed by supposedly serious banks - seriously close to failure and needing new and massive bailouts of public cash again - like HSBC which arranged $ 350 million of loans for Better Place. ITS NIGHTTIME AND WINTER We are imagining all those problems were solved - and the electric power nightmare is now certain. If the electric car future happens - if the things are built and operated in the numbers that the boomers dream about in public - we are almost sure to get massive electric power system failures. Power down. Lights out. System breakdown. Take the case of Europe. Say the boomers' dream came true in Europe, with its all-green low carbon energy quest written into the laws and regulations of all 27 member states since December 2008. This says at least 20 percent of all energy in Europe must be renewable by 2020, and also that energy demand per unit economic output will be cut by 20 percent: energy economy will be promoted by all means, including cuts in transport energy demand. In Europe's cities of 2020, the European Commission says, the public will love bicycles, electric trams, electric trains and gas powered buses - and will adore electric cars. Road and land transport presently takes about 7.8 million barrels a day, or one-half of all oil consumed in Europe. Replacing even a tiny part of that with biofuels is such a no-no that the first target of replacing oil in transport, of 10 percent by 2020 (not even 20 percent, you note) was cut to 5.6 percent a few months after the December 2008 European low carbon quest was announced. This new modest 5.6 percent goal could itself be cut even further. So the natural solution is: electric cars, recharged by windmills and solar power stations in those glitzy powerpoint shows on a host of European Union Web sites. Who cares if its not possible ? THE NIGHMARE COMES By 2020, lets suppose a massive 8 percent of Europe's car fleet is "all electric". To be sure, that 8 percent doesnt seem massive to normal persons,but if we supposed the European car fleet didn't grow by one single unit from 2011, from today's count of about 210 million cars, that would make about 16 million all electrics needing very regular charging, on Europe's roads in the year 2020. These 16 million all electric cars on Europe's roads would need about 5 kW when their batteries are recharged. As we know already from user and driver studies for electric car owners they have a paranoid and constant fear of running out of juice. They compulsively recharge the battery whenever it shows even a slight fall of its charge. They like fast charge high power battery boosting (440 volt triphase current), when it is available - despite it being very bad for battery life. Supposedly, again according to Ghosn of Renault-Nissan, high power booster charging will be made available in "hundreds of cities", in France at some undefined date, hinting that generous green-minded president Sarkozy will look after the problem of who will pay for that. So its Sunday evening in winter in Europe, in the year 2020. Everybody with an electric car is worrying about their Monday morning crawl-in to work on those 8-lane highways with thousands of other drivers making it to work, at an average 10 miles-per-hour in their non-electric cars able to hit 100 miles-per-hour. In those urban daily crawl-ins the recommended battery stretching maximum cruise speed of about 40 miles-per-hour for electric cars is not such problem - but the battery charging mania is. Like we already know, electric cars are quiet, accelerate fast if the battery is charged, and as long as you dont run the heater and de-icer in winter or airconditioning in summer, the wipers, the headlamps, the in-car stereo, the GPS, telephone, computer and other power-consuming needs and gimmicks, you might get 100 miles with a fully charged battery, if you run economic for the last 30 or 40 miles of the charge, at a speed of 25 or 30 miles-per-hour. And that only costs about 35 000 euro for a Leaf ! HOW DO WE CHARGE THE THINGS ? Running real sweet and low, that is slow and economical in the daily crawl-in to work should not be a problem for proud owners of planet saving all electrics, but funny thing, Carlos Ghosn and Dan Akerson, and all the other boomers and promoters never say that. Our problem is that its Sunday night in winter, in Europe in 2020, and there are 16 million all electric cars out there to charge at 5 kW each. Its cold, the wind is not blowing so you can forget about windmills (Europe proudly has about 45 percent of the world's entire windfarm capacity, as of early 2011), and its nighttime, so those expensive solar power plants are also off-line. We will however be generous, and imagine that only 80 percent of the European all electric car fleet is going to be on charge at those somber moments. Say 13 million plugged in and needing 5 kW for 5 hours, to charge their big, heavy, low power storage capacity (able to store about the energy equivalent of 1 US gallon of fuel), and very expensive batteries. Down at Better Place and its highway battery swap station clones, imagine what they are doing on Sunday nights ? Charging batteries. To be sure, the electric car boomers never get on to how we supply the power, but we will. Charging 13 million cars, some 80 percent of a massive 8 percent of Europe's car fleet number of today, will make it necessary to find 5 x 13 million kilowatts of additional power. That is 65 million kilowatts of power. In the electricity business they talk megawatts, so the need is 65 000 MW. One way to understand what that means: in Carlos Ghosn's soft touch France of Nicolar Sarkozy, its much vaunted nuclear power programme - supplying the most national nuclear electric power in the world - has a total of 58 nuclear reactors with a combined total capacity of around 63 600 MW. That is if all of them could run at full power simultaneously - which they can't. It took France around 40 years to build up that 63 600 MW of nuclear capacity, we can add. So one way we could or might charge up a lot less than 8 percent of the European car fleet would be to build 65 000 MW of new electric power capacity. Since that in fact is not going to be possible - electric car owners will need to be told to not use their electric cars and use one or other of their family fleet of good old thermal-type cars, or take a day off, use bicycles or buses, work at home, or give up working entirely - after all, they are saving the planet by preventing global warming catastrophe ! Otherwise, it is easy to forecast what happens when around 13 million all electric cars plug-in simultaneously. We get total system overload, large area power cuts, and possible long term damage to overused power grids, transformer stations, and electrical equipment as power surges and collapses with the onslaught of demand. AND WHAT WOULD IT COST ? What would it cost to charge the hoped for mass market electric car fleets of 2020 ? This depends on how you do it. If we choose either offshore windfarms or nuclear power to do it, we have per-kilowatt capital costs of around 6000 euro in Europe. This is based on German, UK, Danish and other offshore windfarm construction and projects, and French EPR nuclear power plants being cumbersomely, slowly and expensively built at two-only locations in Europe (Finland, France). Each electric car costing the state 7000 euro in government hand-outs, would therefore also need about 30000 euro of invstment in new wind or nuclear power plants to handle its 5 kW power demand (and 3 times more if its needs 15 kW high charge boosting). The time limit would also be problem, but because we are discussing pure fantasy schemes and childish daydreams that does not matter. For amusement purposes, we could compare that 37000 euro total of subsidies-plus-power plant capacity needs, with the the lifetime average fuels costs of a normal thermal-type automobile - about 1600 litres of fuel, or 10 barrels, each year of its operating life. To be sure, $200-a-barrel oil, the favourite scary oil price forecast of Carlos Ghosn and Sir Richard Branson, would help make the electric car seem just a little less vanity tech. If we are talking solar power plants, plus nighttime storage of electricity able to supply 65 000 MW on demand the costs are so far out - if it was technically possible - there is no need even imagining them. We end up with a simple readout: we would need coal or gas power plants, but again for amusement purposes, we can give a price tag for charging less than 8 percent of Europe's fantasy fleet of all electric cars in the year 2020 using "low carbon" nuclear or offshore wind power. At 6000 euro per kilowatt, and 6 billion euro for 1000 MW of power generating capacity, we find that for 65 000 MW the spending need would be 378 billion euro. At a mere 1500 euro per kilowatt for coal fired plants with CCS, the price tag would only be around 95 billion euro - but who is going to pay ? IT WONT HAPPEN Welcome to the "all electric" car future - that will not happen. If it did, there would be a permanent threat of total breakdown for national, or even continental power grids in the European case. Anybody who believes in that "ecological" future is just plain stupid or too lazy to work out a few simple numbers.
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#71. To: Capitalist Eric, war (#51)
He's not the brightest bulb in the tree. He's not the dimmest either. War ought to know better....But since he's on some jihad against conservatives because of something that happened in 9th grade, something's snapped.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
IN regard to what? Neither you nor Erica have offered any "keen" insight here. IN point of fact, you're both mindlessly defending 19th century technology as being the wave of the future.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
http://www.teslamotors.com/goelectric Yes...It's cool....If you've got $50,000 floating around in your "toy account"...OR if you're a guilty white liberal trying to save the planet. It's just not practical yet for a working person or a family. Aren't they now asking the goobermint for another half-billion dollar loan? Or is it more?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Everything. ;-)
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Stay away from sharp objects and keep on taking your medication. ;-)
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Did you forget about Hollywood? After all, they are the conscious of America. /s
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Eggszakly.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Unbeleavable he even said that with a straight face. Just like it's hard to believe they are going after military retirement pay like they are talking about doing. Lawmakers with this guy's mindset about carre military pentions will gut them and then be shocked people stop staying in or even enlisting as much. What they wil do next is blame the lack of patriotism on the people at large and invoking the draft or restoring pentions after 20 years will be their next decision choice to make.
This is the very definition of the typical Liberal/leftist/Commie brain. Thanks.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Just curious as to why you're posting here, Libby...Goldi pulled your lollipop away?
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Locke wasn't a Communist. Nor was Hobbes.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Maybe a retard like you needs the government to do their thinking for them,but not me. Liberals/Leftists presume to speak for anyone BUT themselves. Only they are not "assholes," which is why they love when police states "discipline" the rest of the masses (of obvious "assholes.")
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
You see why I consider you a major enigma? Let your inner-conservative OUT! What's stopping you??
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
I'm flattered by your concern. Really. Why are YOU posting here? I post where I choose. I hope that sufficiently satisfies your curiosity.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Maybe a retard like you needs the government to do their thinking for them,but not me. So, in the kook world you live in lib, people can use their own judgment to figure out if they had too much to drink when getting behind the wheel of a car? If you retards were islands, you can screw up your surroundings as much as possible. But since I have to share the earth with you assholes, the govt exists to prevent you morons from damaging the rest of us.
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
Well, G-win-son is a flaming lib/lefist/socialist. His default position about life. He/she/it basically looks to the goob to provide air and food and reason for living.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Yea, I am waiting for the govt to build us them FEMA death camps so I can apply for a position as a guard. Then we can round you guys up and turn you into soap and or work you to death in Alaskan gulags.
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
Is this an admission that you support preemptive police-state assaults and arrests of conservatives because you somehow feel threatened by them? You DO realize you're a Nazi, right?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
We know you're not kidding.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Analogy: FAIL If you retards were islands, you can screw up your surroundings as much as possible. How much did the Founders "screw up" the Republic again? Gee, too bad they weren't Marxists, eh?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
What's good for Israel should be good for the rest of the world.
That's actually a good point. But it also touches on the very real probability of the suppression of technology during the last 50 years. Personally I believe efficient electric/solar/magnetic powered vehicle could have been made over 50 years ago. But the oil interests bought out/shelved ALL the inventions and technology.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Are you yukon's son or O'Reilly's?? *snicker*
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
I take care of that problem by never drinking a drop of alcoholic beverages and by staying away from drugs. I suppose I am a 'parasite' like Pete because I get a veteran's section eight apartment I only pay a small amout of rent on based on my earnings. I also went to the local 'stand down' and got a duffle bag full of military gear. I just wated that nice black gortex sleeping bag and compression bag, but I made sure to give the clothes I had no interest in wearing to homeless friends who needed them. Well, almost all were homeless. I gat the alice pack to a very very lovely young woman who plays a mean Ukulele and sells jewlery she makes at Saturday market and got a delighted hug because I remembered she had asked me to do that should I get one at this stand down at the new Armory for the 2/262 National Guard Infantry Regiment. I guess she would be a real parasite on the system to you. But I guarantee you would have gone for the hug from a petite young lovely too for such a minor donation to help out her young, low budget life.
Great context...as usual. *eyeball roll*
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Because you have to really stretch the meaning of words if you're going to make your thesis appear to hold up.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Huh?? By pointing out the inefficiency and impracticality of electric cars as the technology currently stands? You can't transition into it ASAP. It'd cripple the economy (which is the anti-capitalists/Commie plan.)
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
I believe it has been established by the true conservatives posters that nobody employed by government earns his pay.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Certainly hard working, successful types can afford $50,000 for a car. Aren't they now asking the goobermint for another half-billion dollar loan? Or is it more? It's less, and so what? How much money does it cost taxpayers to protect our oil around the world annually?
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
The production of oil - from the military budgets to the cost of transportation and refinement to the health toll that pollution from refinement and exhaust creates makes gasoline very inefficient.
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
With the number of posts you have where you get right into the detailed homo talk, it's more likely that you are Yukon's son. You really seem to enjoy it. Ya closet fag.
------------------------------------- Thought she did...a time out or a full "Libby Be-gone"?
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
There's medication for dumb? I guess one has to be smart to know that.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Oh hey smartypants, did you mean conscience?
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
In an earlier post you proved that words and their definitions is not your strong suit.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Context appears to be another.
Forces greater than government provided air and food. Unfortunately experience proves given a chance, profit seekers would sacrifice your life and the lives of your children to their bottom line, by fouling both beyond the point that sustains life.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Nazis were the conservatives.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Exactly, but those pesky humans always get in their way. The left got just about everything wrong in the 20th century, not just economics. The left also believed that humans are born with a "blank slate" that can be molded to create a new type of person. This is why the government monopoly schools were first started in the U.S. -- to socialize children into progressive society. This is why the left keeps pushing to have children forced into government institutions at ever earlier ages. Both the Communists and Fascists also tried to create this new perfect socialist man. The old folks who objected were either murdered or sent to the gulag. Of course, now we know that the left is completely wrong and that people are NOT born with a "blank slate". They have a lot of fundamental wiring at birth based upon their genetic heritage. Yes, they learn from their environment, but the fundamental characteristics, like the survival instinct (selfishness, greed, etc) that enabled humans to crawl out of caves, create tools, and evolve a technological society are NOT learned. They are a fundamental part of who we are as humans. No amount of leftist social engineering can change that, no matter how many people the left enslaves and murders.
The alphabet has a lot of letters after A, B and C...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
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#72. To: Liberator (#71)
War ought to know better....
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#73. To: lucysmom (#52)
I wouldn't mind having one of these.
#74. To: war (#72)
IN regard to what?
#75. To: lucysmom, Capitalist Eric (#53)
Okay, so I'm dumb - now what?
#76. To: sneakypete, lucysmom (#54)
The disaster relief is sent to other countries as an option. Nobody is demanding we send it.
#77. To: sneakypete (#54)
People don't mind giving to a charity,but nobody likes being told what charity they have to give to or how much they are required to give.
#78. To: sneakypete (#70)
"Secondly,even if I had of done that,the key word is "EARNING",not being a parasite like you."
#79. To: Godwinson, lucysmom, sneakypete (#55)
You need a govt to overcome the general assholeness of human beings.
#80. To: Liberator (#76)
After all, they are the conscious [sic] of America.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#81. To: Liberator (#79)
This is the very definition of the typical Liberal/leftist/Commie brain.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#82. To: sneakypete, Godwinson (#56)
(Edited)
(Godwinson: "That is why you need a govt to overcome the general assholeness of human beings.")
#83. To: war (#81)
Locke wasn't a Communist. Nor was Hobbes.
#84. To: war (#80)
Just curious as to why you're posting here, Libby...Goldi pulled your lollipop away?
#85. To: Liberator, sneakypete, war, lucysmom (#82)
(Edited)
(Godwinson: "That is why you need a govt to overcome the general assholeness of human beings.")
#86. To: sneakypete, Godwinson (#56)
Maybe a retard like you needs the government to do their thinking for them,but not me.
#87. To: sneakypete, Liberator, war. lucysmom (#86)
Well, G-win-son is a flaming lib/lefist/socialist. His default position about life. He/she/it basically looks to the goob to provide air and food and reason for living.
#88. To: Godwinson, sneakypete, war, lucysmom (#85)
Since I have to share the earth with you assholes, the govt exists to prevent you morons from damaging the rest of us.
#89. To: Godwinson, sneakypete, Liberator, war, lucysmom (#87)
Yea, I am waiting for the govt to build us them FEMA death camps so I can apply for a position as a guard. Then we can round you guys up and turn you into soap and or work you to death in Alaskan gulags.
#90. To: Godwinson (#85)
So, in the kook world you live in lib, people can use their own judgment to figure out if they had too much to drink when getting behind the wheel of a car?
#91. To: Liberator, Godwinson, (#88)
Is this an admission that you support preemptive police-state assaults...
#92. To: war (#68)
Henry Ford didn't have to fight the Horse and Buggy Lobby.
#93. To: Biff Tannen (#64)
All luberator requires is an audience for his bloviations.
#94. To: Godwinson (#85)
"If you retards were islands, you can screw up your surroundings as much as possible. But since I have to share the earth with you assholes, the govt exists to prevent you morons from driving drunk."
#95. To: mininggold (#91)
What's good for Israel should be good for the rest of the world.
#96. To: sneakypete (#69)
Why do I have to explain something this simple?
#97. To: war, Capitalist Eric (#72)
IN point of fact, you're both mindlessly defending 19th century technology as being the wave of the future.
#98. To: sneakypete (#70)
Secondly,even if I had of done that,the key word is "EARNING",not being a parasite like you.
#99. To: Liberator (#73)
Yes...It's cool....If you've got $50,000 floating around in your "toy account"...
#100. To: Liberator, war, Capitalist Eric (#97)
By pointing out the inefficiency and impracticality of electric cars as the technology currently stands?
#101. To: Liberator (#93)
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#102. To: Liberator (#84)
I post where I choose.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#103. To: Liberator (#75)
Stay away from sharp objects and keep on taking your medication. ;-)
#104. To: Liberator (#76)
After all, they are the conscious of America.
#105. To: Liberator (#79)
This is the very definition of the typical Liberal/leftist/Commie brain.
#106. To: lucysmom, Liberator (#105)
In an earlier post you proved that words and their definitions is not your strong suit.
#107. To: Liberator (#86)
He/she/it basically looks to the goob to provide air and food and reason for living.
#108. To: Liberator (#88)
You DO realize you're a Nazi, right?
#109. To: sneakypete (#33)
(Edited)
They dream up plans where the world would be perfect if every tiny little detail of their dreams worked perfectly.
That government is best which governs not at all -- Henry David Thoreau
#110. To: Liberator (#97)
By pointing out the inefficiency and impracticality of electric cars as the technology currently stands?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
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