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Title: The Electric Car Nightmare
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URL Source: http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article30619.html
Published: Sep 26, 2011
Author: Andrew_McKillop
Post Date: 2011-09-26 14:12:16 by Capitalist Eric
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Electric car and low carbon energy boomers from Carlos Ghosn of Renault-Nissan and Dan Akerson of GM, to Sir Richard Branson, Al Gore, James Lovelock, Stewart Brand and a host of other promoters of the politically correct future never lose a chance preaching massive numbers of all electric cars in the national car fleets of every developed country by around 2020. To be sure, what "massive" means is variable geometry - it could be just a few million cars, it might be more and they hope out loud, a lot more. Ghosn says his firm will be able to crank out 1 million-a-year Leaf-type family electric saloons "by 2015", and much more after that. Other major car making chiefs like Akerson, and the chiefs of emerging giant automakers in China and India are less sure, or more cautious, but say they could easily match anything Renault-Nissan can do "within 10 or 15 years" if the market demand - and above all the government subsidies - are there. Ghosn thinks out loud that French and other European governments will jumpstart the electric car flood by handing out subsidies of up to 7000 euro on each electric car. For 1 million-a-year that would be a cool 7 billion euro-a-year tinkling through Renault-Nissan cash registers, handed out by generous, but unfortunately stony broke European governments. Is that credible ? Is that sustainable ? We also need to believe there will be magic scientific breakthroughs with electric car batteries, making them cheaper, easier and faster to charge, have longer life times, and not flake out after a few hundred recharges in fast charge mode, using high voltage and high amperage charging instead of regular home voltage plug-in charging at a mere 5 kW a time. We will hope, with the car industry, that rare earth element supply will keep up with mass production of electric cars (needing strange expensive metals like neodymium for electric motor magnets), noting that present world supply is at present about 95 percent sourced from China, which does not intend to raise production, but cut it. We will suppose that battery swapping problems will be solved: each electric car in the hoped-for new and massive all electric car fleets of Europe, the US, Japan, China and India will need as many as 3 batteries, at around 12 000 euro each, to keep the cars running 24/7. Funky highway swap stations run by Better Place and other new entrant, nice business model players will look after this, we are told, backed by supposedly serious banks - seriously close to failure and needing new and massive bailouts of public cash again - like HSBC which arranged $ 350 million of loans for Better Place. ITS NIGHTTIME AND WINTER We are imagining all those problems were solved - and the electric power nightmare is now certain. If the electric car future happens - if the things are built and operated in the numbers that the boomers dream about in public - we are almost sure to get massive electric power system failures. Power down. Lights out. System breakdown. Take the case of Europe. Say the boomers' dream came true in Europe, with its all-green low carbon energy quest written into the laws and regulations of all 27 member states since December 2008. This says at least 20 percent of all energy in Europe must be renewable by 2020, and also that energy demand per unit economic output will be cut by 20 percent: energy economy will be promoted by all means, including cuts in transport energy demand. In Europe's cities of 2020, the European Commission says, the public will love bicycles, electric trams, electric trains and gas powered buses - and will adore electric cars. Road and land transport presently takes about 7.8 million barrels a day, or one-half of all oil consumed in Europe. Replacing even a tiny part of that with biofuels is such a no-no that the first target of replacing oil in transport, of 10 percent by 2020 (not even 20 percent, you note) was cut to 5.6 percent a few months after the December 2008 European low carbon quest was announced. This new modest 5.6 percent goal could itself be cut even further. So the natural solution is: electric cars, recharged by windmills and solar power stations in those glitzy powerpoint shows on a host of European Union Web sites. Who cares if its not possible ? THE NIGHMARE COMES By 2020, lets suppose a massive 8 percent of Europe's car fleet is "all electric". To be sure, that 8 percent doesnt seem massive to normal persons,but if we supposed the European car fleet didn't grow by one single unit from 2011, from today's count of about 210 million cars, that would make about 16 million all electrics needing very regular charging, on Europe's roads in the year 2020. These 16 million all electric cars on Europe's roads would need about 5 kW when their batteries are recharged. As we know already from user and driver studies for electric car owners they have a paranoid and constant fear of running out of juice. They compulsively recharge the battery whenever it shows even a slight fall of its charge. They like fast charge high power battery boosting (440 volt triphase current), when it is available - despite it being very bad for battery life. Supposedly, again according to Ghosn of Renault-Nissan, high power booster charging will be made available in "hundreds of cities", in France at some undefined date, hinting that generous green-minded president Sarkozy will look after the problem of who will pay for that. So its Sunday evening in winter in Europe, in the year 2020. Everybody with an electric car is worrying about their Monday morning crawl-in to work on those 8-lane highways with thousands of other drivers making it to work, at an average 10 miles-per-hour in their non-electric cars able to hit 100 miles-per-hour. In those urban daily crawl-ins the recommended battery stretching maximum cruise speed of about 40 miles-per-hour for electric cars is not such problem - but the battery charging mania is. Like we already know, electric cars are quiet, accelerate fast if the battery is charged, and as long as you dont run the heater and de-icer in winter or airconditioning in summer, the wipers, the headlamps, the in-car stereo, the GPS, telephone, computer and other power-consuming needs and gimmicks, you might get 100 miles with a fully charged battery, if you run economic for the last 30 or 40 miles of the charge, at a speed of 25 or 30 miles-per-hour. And that only costs about 35 000 euro for a Leaf ! HOW DO WE CHARGE THE THINGS ? Running real sweet and low, that is slow and economical in the daily crawl-in to work should not be a problem for proud owners of planet saving all electrics, but funny thing, Carlos Ghosn and Dan Akerson, and all the other boomers and promoters never say that. Our problem is that its Sunday night in winter, in Europe in 2020, and there are 16 million all electric cars out there to charge at 5 kW each. Its cold, the wind is not blowing so you can forget about windmills (Europe proudly has about 45 percent of the world's entire windfarm capacity, as of early 2011), and its nighttime, so those expensive solar power plants are also off-line. We will however be generous, and imagine that only 80 percent of the European all electric car fleet is going to be on charge at those somber moments. Say 13 million plugged in and needing 5 kW for 5 hours, to charge their big, heavy, low power storage capacity (able to store about the energy equivalent of 1 US gallon of fuel), and very expensive batteries. Down at Better Place and its highway battery swap station clones, imagine what they are doing on Sunday nights ? Charging batteries. To be sure, the electric car boomers never get on to how we supply the power, but we will. Charging 13 million cars, some 80 percent of a massive 8 percent of Europe's car fleet number of today, will make it necessary to find 5 x 13 million kilowatts of additional power. That is 65 million kilowatts of power. In the electricity business they talk megawatts, so the need is 65 000 MW. One way to understand what that means: in Carlos Ghosn's soft touch France of Nicolar Sarkozy, its much vaunted nuclear power programme - supplying the most national nuclear electric power in the world - has a total of 58 nuclear reactors with a combined total capacity of around 63 600 MW. That is if all of them could run at full power simultaneously - which they can't. It took France around 40 years to build up that 63 600 MW of nuclear capacity, we can add. So one way we could or might charge up a lot less than 8 percent of the European car fleet would be to build 65 000 MW of new electric power capacity. Since that in fact is not going to be possible - electric car owners will need to be told to not use their electric cars and use one or other of their family fleet of good old thermal-type cars, or take a day off, use bicycles or buses, work at home, or give up working entirely - after all, they are saving the planet by preventing global warming catastrophe ! Otherwise, it is easy to forecast what happens when around 13 million all electric cars plug-in simultaneously. We get total system overload, large area power cuts, and possible long term damage to overused power grids, transformer stations, and electrical equipment as power surges and collapses with the onslaught of demand. AND WHAT WOULD IT COST ? What would it cost to charge the hoped for mass market electric car fleets of 2020 ? This depends on how you do it. If we choose either offshore windfarms or nuclear power to do it, we have per-kilowatt capital costs of around 6000 euro in Europe. This is based on German, UK, Danish and other offshore windfarm construction and projects, and French EPR nuclear power plants being cumbersomely, slowly and expensively built at two-only locations in Europe (Finland, France). Each electric car costing the state 7000 euro in government hand-outs, would therefore also need about 30000 euro of invstment in new wind or nuclear power plants to handle its 5 kW power demand (and 3 times more if its needs 15 kW high charge boosting). The time limit would also be problem, but because we are discussing pure fantasy schemes and childish daydreams that does not matter. For amusement purposes, we could compare that 37000 euro total of subsidies-plus-power plant capacity needs, with the the lifetime average fuels costs of a normal thermal-type automobile - about 1600 litres of fuel, or 10 barrels, each year of its operating life. To be sure, $200-a-barrel oil, the favourite scary oil price forecast of Carlos Ghosn and Sir Richard Branson, would help make the electric car seem just a little less vanity tech. If we are talking solar power plants, plus nighttime storage of electricity able to supply 65 000 MW on demand the costs are so far out - if it was technically possible - there is no need even imagining them. We end up with a simple readout: we would need coal or gas power plants, but again for amusement purposes, we can give a price tag for charging less than 8 percent of Europe's fantasy fleet of all electric cars in the year 2020 using "low carbon" nuclear or offshore wind power. At 6000 euro per kilowatt, and 6 billion euro for 1000 MW of power generating capacity, we find that for 65 000 MW the spending need would be 378 billion euro. At a mere 1500 euro per kilowatt for coal fired plants with CCS, the price tag would only be around 95 billion euro - but who is going to pay ? IT WONT HAPPEN Welcome to the "all electric" car future - that will not happen. If it did, there would be a permanent threat of total breakdown for national, or even continental power grids in the European case. Anybody who believes in that "ecological" future is just plain stupid or too lazy to work out a few simple numbers.
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#1. To: Capitalist Eric (#0)
Stop posting your dull-witted drivel.
------------------------------------- What, are you mad that I didn't mention your name in the list of stupid, dull- witted and lazy leftist losers? I'll try to remember next time. For now, if you have a problem with the article, please post something of substance, or kindly STFU.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 You thought your joke was so funny you put it in your tagline so everyone could see it. Loser.
------------------------------------- Translation: You're desperately trying to derail the thread. DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 I thought your mail order bride was Russian.
Oh Eric, that is funny!
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Capitalist eDick is always comical as he rants and rails against the global warming that is so obviously happening, or any conveyance other then something like a large SUV which is what I'm sure he drives. To him, it just can't be true unles it resembles the sort of copy one finds in Archie comic books.
He's too stupid to realize that which I will not tell him...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
When you leftist losers knee-jerk back to the 25 rules of disinformation (coupled with Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals,"), you confirm what I already knew: you've got nothing to contradict the facts of the article. And with that I'll say to you all: "Thanks for playing, asshat!" Ping to the rest for your amusement.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Read my tag line, Eric.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Oh, GOODY! Trying to be clever, eh? Sadly, you failed. As usual. Were I so inclined, I'd perform a statistical analysis posting the veracity and accuracy of the articles and comments I post, against yours... But I'm not. Frankly, you're just aren't worth the time it would take, to rub your nose in your own shit... Even when directly confronted with facts, you still insist that your wishful-thinking trumps reality. WebMD describes your situation perfectly, HERE: People with delusional disorder often can continue to socialize and function normally, apart from the subject of their delusion, and generally do not behave in an obviously odd or bizarre manner. This is unlike people with other psychotic disorders, who also might have delusions as a symptom of their disorder. In some cases, however, people with delusional disorder might become so preoccupied with their delusions that their lives are disrupted. Although delusions might be a symptom of more common disorders, such as schizophrenia, delusional disorder itself is rather rare. Delusional disorder most often occurs in middle to late life and is slightly more common in women than in men. And there you have it... You're mentally ill, loonymom. So there's no point in demonstrating how consistently wrong you are, in everything you post. You're happy in your delusions, and have no interest in facing real life. You're happy to be a parasite on the rest of society, with the motto of "gimme, gimme, GIMME!" You're happy to be a sheep, bleating with the rest of the herd, waiting to be fleeced. And finally, you're happy to attack ANYONE who refuses to be deluded as you are. Go see a psychiatrist... you need help.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Pretty much summed yourself up there, Jr.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
I don't specialize in mental disorders, but it's a convenient way to get the point across. You're starting to look more desperate than usual... If you have something of substance, we're still waiting... Something to refute the article, perhaps??? Hmmmmmmmm??? It's obvious you're getting desperate for attention...
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 you've got nothing to contradict the facts of the article. And THAT is why it's next to impossible to find an honest socialist to debate reality. It's a losing argument. IF they admit the obvious, they've admitted to consent of the destruction of "America as we know it." The safe play for 98% of forum leftists/socialists is...slinging batsh*t disinformation by the ton, changing the subject, tangential emoting, joking instead, dismissing the subject, acting dopey, and creating strawmen.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
At 6000 euro per kilowatt, and 6 billion euro for 1000 MW of power generating capacity, we find that for 65 000 MW the spending need would be 378 billion euro. At a mere 1500 euro per kilowatt for coal fired plants with CCS, the price tag would only be around 95 billion euro - but who is going to pay ? Pounding THIS horsesh*t into the pods' heads as a "solution" to our energy needs is beyond ridiculous... Besides these batteries being a net negative to the environment, it's unfeasible unreliable and inconvenient for anything more than local driving. Why would people pay $40,000 on this roll of the transportation dice? They won't. It's ONLY the elites and guilty liberal white metrosexual who will be the only ones buying them - mostly as a style statement or in support of the new state religion: SOCIALISM.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Actually, if youtry to argue in good faith with Capitalist eDick you only get belittlements and insults back. He has gotten courtesy and reasonable replies from me before and if there is no reciprocation, he gets the response he asks for. Exactly what you get from the eDick who only likes to make edicts, not discussion.
To him, it just can't be true unles it resembles the sort of copy one finds in Archie comic books. Congratulations are in order to Mike for at least dedicating 17% of his post to addressing the issue of this thread. The rest of you are mentally impotent. Mike...Do you really believe electric cars are a solution to energy needs OR viable transportation option? Even IF this so-called "global warming that is so obviously happening" is a concern, isn't it true that Planet Earth historically does what she wants WHEN she wants? Q: Have scientists found SUV fossils from the last Ice Age embedded in the Great White North?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Eric, Mike has more often than not impressed me as a socialist who is able to discuss issues without personal animus getting in the way. Are you able to discuss this subject on those terms with him?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
When someone's arrogance and attacks have earned my personal animus, they get that. I've been somewhat more forgiving towards people like Mad Dog because face it, what is the good of insulting the insane? Eric has no intention of giving any opponent in an argument or issue any quarter, thus none is given him.
Exactly what you get from the eDick who only likes to make edicts, not discussion. Yeah, I understand, but why then did the forum leftists comment at all? IMO, this forum's socialist jackels are LP's statist version of yukon, Grand Island, and Gatlin. Debate and analysis is hijacked 95% of the time. What's the use other than peeing on their "territory"?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Why ask the whys that emanate from problems with the sort of moderation management provides? You are talking atmosphere here, and any issue concerning it can be easily managed. Perhaps the manager can explain why he prefers bombastic verbal rollar derby instead of having a level playing field and clear will defined and maintained standards that produce a good forum?
OK, so conservatives hate trains AND in general any devices that use electricity for locomotion. Maybe they are addicted to sniffing gasoline and that explains their irrational hatred of things that don't use gas?
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
Lol, great description.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
LOL... Hey, rat-boy....? PSSSSSSSST........... A couple of our vehicles... left is a clone to my daily driver, right is identical to my wife's vehicle: As usual, you're WRONG.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Are you able to discuss this subject on those terms with him? rat-boy mike is more clever than your typical socialist... but that does not confer to him a level of intellectual honesty that is superior than that of the others. For example, consider my reply above, where he passes off global warming as... "so obviously happening," when the reality is that it is not only not "obvious," it has been empirically demonstrated that it's just not happening. In other words, when you get down to brass tacks, he can no more discuss objective facts than loonymom. Another example: he gave his "opus" several months ago to Stone, said something along the lines of "oh, I'm done with this place, I don't get free speech," all that crap... And then he comes slithering back in... as soon as I called him on it, coming back after he was so adament about this place being unfair, he bozoed me, and now prefers to take cheap pot-shots... As I told loonymom on another thread, everybody deserves a certain amount of respect upon first meeting, whether a CEO, a janitor or a homeless person. Whether that respect goes up or down from there, is strictly a function of that persons' behavior. rat-boy mike deserves- and gets- none. Edit: As to animus, nothing angers me off more than some schmuck trying to piss on my shoes, and then tell me it's raining... The socialist sheeple may be sufficiently stupid to buy into that crap... and I'll put the facts out there for them to understand... but when they refuse to accept objective reality, then their either too brainwashed or too delusional to think for themselves... And for them, facts be damned. My mother has made the observation on several occasions, "Eric, you've no patience for fools."
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Here are the results of honest socialism: You know, your point is excellent. I think it's very appropriate to have occasional reminders of what the resident leftists really want. Thank you.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 What the Leftards just refuse to believe is that most of them will end up just like those in JW's picture.... They don't realize/care that their masters could give a shit less about them, that they are only a means to an end.... Maybe they should start reading some some history of Socialism/Fascism/ Communism/Naziism!!!!
"CHANGE" you can step in..... From Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation (Includes The 8 Traits of A Disinformationalist) by H. Michael Sweeney. These 25 rules are everywhere in media, from political debates, to television shows, to comments on a blog. 1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don’t discuss it - especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it’s not reported, it didn’t happen, and you never have to deal with the issues. 2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the “How dare you!” gambit. 3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such “arguable rumors”. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a “wild rumor” which can have no basis in fact. 4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent’s argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues. 5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “kooks”, “right-wing”, “liberal”, “left-wing”, “terrorists”, “conspiracy buffs”, “radicals”, “militia”, “racists”, “religious fanatics”, “sexual deviates”, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues. 6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to- the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism reasoning - simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent’s viewpoint. 7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could so taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive. 8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough “jargon” and “minutiae” to illustrate you are “one who knows”, and simply say it isn’t so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources. 9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect. 10. Associate opponent charges with old news. A derivative of the straw man usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with. Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually them be associated with the original charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to address current issues - so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source. 11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions. Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the “high road” and “confess” with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made - but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, “just isn’t so.” Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later. Done properly, this can garner sympathy and respect for “coming clean” and “owning up” to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues. 12. Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to loose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues. 13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards with an apparent deductive logic in a way that forbears any actual material fact. 14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best for items qualifying for rule 10. 15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place. 16. Vanishing evidence and witnesses. If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won’t have to address the issue. 17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can “argue” with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues. 18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can’t do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how “sensitive they are to criticism”. 19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the “play dumb” rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance. 20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications. 21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered investigative body. Subvert the (process) to your benefit and effectively neutralize all sensitive issues without open discussion. Once convened, the evidence and testimony are required to be secret when properly handled. For instance, if you own the prosecuting attorney, it can insure a Grand Jury hears no useful evidence and that the evidence is sealed an unavailable to subsequent investigators. Once a favorable verdict (usually, this technique is applied to find the guilty innocent, but it can also be used to obtain charges when seeking to frame a victim) is achieved, the matter can be considered officially closed. 22. Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively. 23. Create bigger distractions. If the above does not seem to be working to distract from sensitive issues, or to prevent unwanted media coverage of unstoppable events such as trials, create bigger news stories (or treat them as such) to distract the multitudes. 24. Silence critics. If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of their character by release of blackmail information, or merely by proper intimidation with blackmail or other threats. 25. Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen.
"CHANGE" you can step in..... Them that can...do...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
I will when you will, JR... Deal?
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DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 That's because socialists are dreamers. They dream up plans where the world would be perfect if every tiny little detail of their dreams worked perfectly. The problem is the world is and will always be a imperfect place because humans are imperfect by nature,and any dream you have that operates contrary to human nature is doomed to fail. Socialism/communism works GREAT for families and small communities,but falls apart when you get a population base any bigger than that. People GENERALLY don't mind sharing with and sacrificing for people they are related to or know personally,but close off when you want them to share with and sacrifice for people they don't know. It has always been that way and it will always be that way.
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The problem is the world is and will always be a imperfect place because humans are imperfect by nature,and any dream you have that operates contrary to human nature is doomed to fail. Yeah, tiny details like working the Commie system to avoid work OR to coronate oneself an elite and rule over the rest. The utopian socialist wet dream paradise is cute....but ONLY to those parasites in college who feel entitled to have others pay their freight, entitled to be be a parasitic fat-azz paid to grow their azzes even larger in front of a tee-bee, or Union thugs insisting that they are entitled to doctor's wages for pushing a broom or pencil. Gee, can I declare myself leader of the Liberty's Flame newly created Politboro? These socialists can NOT get through their collectivist numb-skulls that human nature has not made us all equal in either ability or motivation. It is true that we are naturally FREE. NOT tribal slaves to the whims of other czar wannabes. Socialism/communism works GREAT for families and small communities,but falls apart when you get a population base any bigger than that. People GENERALLY don't mind sharing with and sacrificing for people they are related to or know personally,but close off when you want them to share with and sacrifice for people they don't know. It has always been that way and it will always be that way. Yep. And in a sense every society or family is socialist to a degree. But wholesale charity is OPTIONAL and subjective. Not mandatory. Coerced communism goes against every fiber of man's instinct.
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Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation (Includes The 8 Traits of A Disinformationalist) by H. Michael Sweeney. These 25 rules are everywhere in media, from political debates, to television shows, to comments on a blog. Nice reference point. Interestingly enough, I notice your bullet-points also happen to apply to a certain porno-post closet-busting canary. :-)
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ALL of the 25 are used by both socialists and statist-fluffers.
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HA! Socialism's Great legacy.
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Chuckles... It's over, Junior. Bluff called...you folded... [snicker]
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I've read through the article on three separate occasions now and still don't get the point of it. Why do conservatives believe that once something is invented that it has to be an immediate success or it's a failure?
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What do skulls have to do with electric cars? Excuse me for not pinging the dumbfuck you responded to but he has me on filter because he was tired of getting his ass kicked.
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Get the presidential staff out of your mouth, boy, and say something coherent.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 English your second language, Junior? Or... 9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect. Bit of both, eh? [snicker]
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I'd give Mike a decided edge in being objective as compared with Lucy. That's not to say that Mike can't be as unreasonable or un-objective on occasion. As I told loonymom on another thread, everybody deserves a certain amount of respect upon first meeting, whether a CEO, a janitor or a homeless person. Whether that respect goes up or down from there, is strictly a function of that persons' behavior. rat-boy mike deserves- and gets- none. I do get it. This forum is smallish and dysfunctional left-leaning which makes it largely incompatible with sanity and steady reasoned debate.
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Skulls are a metaphor for death. And the by-product of mandated socialism. Electric cars are socialists solution to "global warming" at the expense of jobs, affordable transportation, and lowered living standards. Do the math.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Like what? Inefficient battery-powered electric cars with inefficient, inadequate, largely unavailable half-baked solutions to recharging them? Cost that render them cost-prohibitive? Power that requires electricity?? The electric car provides neither performance, ecological or economic advantage. This technology is at least two-decades old and crawling at a snails' pace.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
As a former Republican party member I can sort of translate (but it is getting harder as time goes by). See, for the right wing loon thinking, "electric cars" is code for "save the whale hippies" and they associate that with weakness. They associate gasoline with 'manhood' and since we all know the GOP is insecure in their manhood they react subconsciously with hostility to any 'green' (aka hippie) technology. You think I am kidding? I am not. Read a right wing religious kook's work called "Jesus: The Sissy" from the "Chick Tracts" (I read them as a kid) and in one comic tract its all about how "liberals" made Jesus into a weak gay wussy when Jesus really is a stone cold biker killer. I no longer accept that the right wing in America is based on actual beliefs based on facts but subconscious insecurities in their warped minds.
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
Read my tag line, Eric.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Read my tag line.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
It has always been that way and it will always be that way. Then how do you account for disaster relief sent to Haiti, Pakistan, Japan, SE Asia, etc. by Americans?
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Dingbatbitch: Read my tag line. Thanks for confirming the observations of Liberator and myself. Unbelievable as it seems, you're even dumber that I thought. And THAT is saying something...
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Liberator: Skulls are a metaphor for death. And the by-product of mandated socialism. Try to be patient. He's not the brightest bulb in the tree.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 I wouldn't mind having one of these. http://www.teslamotors.com/goelectric
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Okay, so I'm dumb - now what?
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
It's good to see you admit I was right about the motivation of socialists. The disaster relief is sent to other countries as an option. Nobody is demanding we send it. Same/Same with local charities. People don't mind giving to a charity,but nobody likes being told what charity they have to give to or how much they are required to give.
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That is why you need a govt to overcome the general assholeness of human beings. I don't want to aid Southerners who are hurricane victims for example but the govt overcomes my hatred of that breed.
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
Maybe a retard like you needs the government to do their thinking for them,but not me.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
The disaster relief is sent to other countries as an option. Nobody is demanding we send it. If I were you, I wouldn't be so quick to claim victory. Here's your claim: People GENERALLY don't mind sharing with and sacrificing for people they are related to or know personally,but close off when you want them to share with and sacrifice for people they don't know. My response: Then how do you account for disaster relief sent to Haiti, Pakistan, Japan, SE Asia, etc. by Americans? challenged your assertion that free will giving had to do with the closeness of the relationship of the giver to the one in need.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Says the hypocrite who lived his whole life earning a govt paycheck, getting room and board.
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
-- Elizabeth Warren on the debt crisis and fair taxation.
G: Says the hypocrite who lived his whole life earning a govt paycheck, getting room and board. Hmmm - independent thought and action isn't encouraged in the military, is it.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
She is correct, nobody is financially successful all by themselves.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
I understand the analogy. You didn't answer the question. What does death - and associative pictograms offered by and for the feeble minded so they can grasp a simple concept when their cerebral lexicon fails them - have to do with electric cars?
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When the automobile was first being used as a conveyance...how many gas stations were there? Mechanics? Tires were solid rubber....starting the engine alone requires throwing a series of switches or pressing buttons. So, my question stands...why do you folks require INSTANT gratification?
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All luberator requires is an audience for his bloviations.
------------------------------------- My "wonder" is if Libby and Erica ACTUALLY REALLY believe that they make any kind of salient point...?
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Luby doesn't care at all, like I say all he wants is an audience. Erica thinks he's right about everything, but it's only articles he's read, there isn't any original thought with him.
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First off, bullshit. Secondly, Henry Ford didn't have to fight the Horse and Buggy Lobby.
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MOST people would understand that it is the government doing this,not individuals. Even the charities that are doing it are doing it with government approval and pay,since people who contribute to the charities write their contribution off their taxes. Why do I have to explain something this simple?
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First off,you are wrong. Secondly,even if I had of done that,the key word is "EARNING",not being a parasite like you.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
He's not the brightest bulb in the tree. He's not the dimmest either. War ought to know better....But since he's on some jihad against conservatives because of something that happened in 9th grade, something's snapped.
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IN regard to what? Neither you nor Erica have offered any "keen" insight here. IN point of fact, you're both mindlessly defending 19th century technology as being the wave of the future.
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http://www.teslamotors.com/goelectric Yes...It's cool....If you've got $50,000 floating around in your "toy account"...OR if you're a guilty white liberal trying to save the planet. It's just not practical yet for a working person or a family. Aren't they now asking the goobermint for another half-billion dollar loan? Or is it more?
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Everything. ;-)
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Stay away from sharp objects and keep on taking your medication. ;-)
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Did you forget about Hollywood? After all, they are the conscious of America. /s
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Eggszakly.
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Unbeleavable he even said that with a straight face. Just like it's hard to believe they are going after military retirement pay like they are talking about doing. Lawmakers with this guy's mindset about carre military pentions will gut them and then be shocked people stop staying in or even enlisting as much. What they wil do next is blame the lack of patriotism on the people at large and invoking the draft or restoring pentions after 20 years will be their next decision choice to make.
This is the very definition of the typical Liberal/leftist/Commie brain. Thanks.
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Just curious as to why you're posting here, Libby...Goldi pulled your lollipop away?
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Locke wasn't a Communist. Nor was Hobbes.
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Maybe a retard like you needs the government to do their thinking for them,but not me. Liberals/Leftists presume to speak for anyone BUT themselves. Only they are not "assholes," which is why they love when police states "discipline" the rest of the masses (of obvious "assholes.")
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You see why I consider you a major enigma? Let your inner-conservative OUT! What's stopping you??
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I'm flattered by your concern. Really. Why are YOU posting here? I post where I choose. I hope that sufficiently satisfies your curiosity.
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Maybe a retard like you needs the government to do their thinking for them,but not me. So, in the kook world you live in lib, people can use their own judgment to figure out if they had too much to drink when getting behind the wheel of a car? If you retards were islands, you can screw up your surroundings as much as possible. But since I have to share the earth with you assholes, the govt exists to prevent you morons from damaging the rest of us.
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
Well, G-win-son is a flaming lib/lefist/socialist. His default position about life. He/she/it basically looks to the goob to provide air and food and reason for living.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Yea, I am waiting for the govt to build us them FEMA death camps so I can apply for a position as a guard. Then we can round you guys up and turn you into soap and or work you to death in Alaskan gulags.
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
Is this an admission that you support preemptive police-state assaults and arrests of conservatives because you somehow feel threatened by them? You DO realize you're a Nazi, right?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
We know you're not kidding.
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Analogy: FAIL If you retards were islands, you can screw up your surroundings as much as possible. How much did the Founders "screw up" the Republic again? Gee, too bad they weren't Marxists, eh?
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What's good for Israel should be good for the rest of the world.
That's actually a good point. But it also touches on the very real probability of the suppression of technology during the last 50 years. Personally I believe efficient electric/solar/magnetic powered vehicle could have been made over 50 years ago. But the oil interests bought out/shelved ALL the inventions and technology.
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Are you yukon's son or O'Reilly's?? *snicker*
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I take care of that problem by never drinking a drop of alcoholic beverages and by staying away from drugs. I suppose I am a 'parasite' like Pete because I get a veteran's section eight apartment I only pay a small amout of rent on based on my earnings. I also went to the local 'stand down' and got a duffle bag full of military gear. I just wated that nice black gortex sleeping bag and compression bag, but I made sure to give the clothes I had no interest in wearing to homeless friends who needed them. Well, almost all were homeless. I gat the alice pack to a very very lovely young woman who plays a mean Ukulele and sells jewlery she makes at Saturday market and got a delighted hug because I remembered she had asked me to do that should I get one at this stand down at the new Armory for the 2/262 National Guard Infantry Regiment. I guess she would be a real parasite on the system to you. But I guarantee you would have gone for the hug from a petite young lovely too for such a minor donation to help out her young, low budget life.
Great context...as usual. *eyeball roll*
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Because you have to really stretch the meaning of words if you're going to make your thesis appear to hold up.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Huh?? By pointing out the inefficiency and impracticality of electric cars as the technology currently stands? You can't transition into it ASAP. It'd cripple the economy (which is the anti-capitalists/Commie plan.)
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I believe it has been established by the true conservatives posters that nobody employed by government earns his pay.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Certainly hard working, successful types can afford $50,000 for a car. Aren't they now asking the goobermint for another half-billion dollar loan? Or is it more? It's less, and so what? How much money does it cost taxpayers to protect our oil around the world annually?
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
The production of oil - from the military budgets to the cost of transportation and refinement to the health toll that pollution from refinement and exhaust creates makes gasoline very inefficient.
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
With the number of posts you have where you get right into the detailed homo talk, it's more likely that you are Yukon's son. You really seem to enjoy it. Ya closet fag.
------------------------------------- Thought she did...a time out or a full "Libby Be-gone"?
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There's medication for dumb? I guess one has to be smart to know that.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Oh hey smartypants, did you mean conscience?
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
In an earlier post you proved that words and their definitions is not your strong suit.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Context appears to be another.
Forces greater than government provided air and food. Unfortunately experience proves given a chance, profit seekers would sacrifice your life and the lives of your children to their bottom line, by fouling both beyond the point that sustains life.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Nazis were the conservatives.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Exactly, but those pesky humans always get in their way. The left got just about everything wrong in the 20th century, not just economics. The left also believed that humans are born with a "blank slate" that can be molded to create a new type of person. This is why the government monopoly schools were first started in the U.S. -- to socialize children into progressive society. This is why the left keeps pushing to have children forced into government institutions at ever earlier ages. Both the Communists and Fascists also tried to create this new perfect socialist man. The old folks who objected were either murdered or sent to the gulag. Of course, now we know that the left is completely wrong and that people are NOT born with a "blank slate". They have a lot of fundamental wiring at birth based upon their genetic heritage. Yes, they learn from their environment, but the fundamental characteristics, like the survival instinct (selfishness, greed, etc) that enabled humans to crawl out of caves, create tools, and evolve a technological society are NOT learned. They are a fundamental part of who we are as humans. No amount of leftist social engineering can change that, no matter how many people the left enslaves and murders.
The alphabet has a lot of letters after A, B and C...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
I see Lubricator is using the Rightwingnuts font.
Battery-powered cars were introduced about 30 years after internal combustion engines were married to the "horseless carriage." In other words, there's about 80 years of history, and electric cars have never matched the inherent net energy efficiency of gas cars. The same argument you make, is also made for "green" energy approaches, with regard to solar and wind power... And to such approaches, the perfect quote I heard was, "there's more stored energy in a cup of gasoline, than in a cup of sunlight, or a cup of wind." A simplistic statement, to be sure... but it really is that simple.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Liberator: We know you're not kidding. Of course not... It's a long-time SOCIALIST tradition...
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Yeah,but you believe a lot of nonsense. Hell,you even think Boy Jorge was a conservative.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Yea, but now we are living in an age of more advanced sciences. Look at your cell phone. Mine lasts for 2 to 3 days on one charge these days.
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
Sign me up for that death camp work, FEMA!
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
Don't worry. You will soon have your own prescription for it once it comes out.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Now if they could only find something to cure Aspergers.
ROFLMAO! That must be why they defined themselves as Socialists,huh?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
They were into CONSERVING German traditions, silly
Jealousy is a ugly emotion. Which probably makes it a perfect match for your appearance.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
They were into CONSERVING German traditions, silly Where the HELL did you "learn" that nonsense? The Nazis were only conservative in the sense that they were NATIONAL socialists in comparison to their communist brothers who were GLOBAL socialists. A fascist is nothing more than a communist that has evolved. They,and you,are nothing more than leftists.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Your sloganeering doesn't change the definition.
He wasn't a liberal.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Which probably makes it a perfect match for your appearance. Another typical Asperger response, showing you can't take what you dish out.
The Chinese call their country the People's Republic of China, does that make them republican?
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
That's because nobody takes your calls.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 You support a political system that gives support to science deniers so why should any people listen to your side....
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
ming: Your sloganeering doesn't change the definition. Which takes us right back to the delusional disorder that affects so many leftists, as I posted earlier: Although delusions might be a symptom of more common disorders, such as schizophrenia, delusional disorder itself is rather rare. Delusional disorder most often occurs in middle to late life and is slightly more common in women than in men. So the reality, wing-ding-ming, is that sneaky just stated the plain facts, and you prefer to believe your own (demonstrably false) delusions. You- like loonymom- need psychological help.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Calling you a idiot is bragging on you.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Instead of your histrionics, why didn't you just post a definition of 'conservative' to prove me wrong.
He wasn't a liberal. I know it is impossible to educate you,but neither is Clinton,Barry Soetoro,any Kennedy,or anybody else on the left. There is nothing even remotely liberal about leftism.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Typical leftist response. You claim to be more moral than anyone else,yet you try to ridicule me with posts about me having Aspergers Syndrome just like that is something to be ashamed of,when the truth is YOU are the one that is retarded because even after all this time you still haven't researched the Syndrome. Or you did research it,and are too stupid to understand what you read and STILL think it means I am retarded. Let me ask you this,if *I* am retarded,what does that make you,given that I could lost half my IQ points and still be 10 times smarter than you? Keep making those posts,though. Let EVERYBODY know how stupid you are. BRAG about it.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
The Chinese call their country the People's Republic of China, does that make them republican? I don't know why I even bother to keep trying to educate you,but here we go again. Germany was never called "Nazi". The word "Nazi" defined their political system. Maoism,a form of communism,defined the political system in China in the past,but China is no longer a communist country. They have morphed into being a fascist country. BTW,you still believe the US was formed as a democracy,don't you?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Or you did research it,and are too stupid to understand what you read and STILL think it means I am retarded. Let me ask you this,if *I* am retarded,what does that make you,given that I could lost half my IQ points and still be 10 times smarter than you? Keep making those posts,though. Let EVERYBODY know how stupid you are. BRAG about it. Creating your own reality instead of using facts that don't fit your delusion is another symptom.
You consistently try to construe words to mean something other than what they mean. It's a typical leftist strategy, that appears to be clever at first, but is really just a way to effectively lie. I reject arguments where words are easily and intentionally distorted, to mean an entirely different idea. A word, as a symbol to mean something, cannot be taken to mean the exact opposite. DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 See post #136. It's a game with her.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Let's turn this around; Where is it written that goobermint drones deserve fake jobs, phantom jobs, jobs that can be accomplished in two hours, or jobs that pay as though they are brain surgeons?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
"It has been agreed that ‘sweet’ stands for one kind of sensory response, and ‘sour’ for a very different one, and nobody can singly on his own volition switch these two around, anymore than he could tell the clerk in a store that in his lexicon five is more than ten that therefore he ought to have change for his five dollar bill when he made a ten dollar purchase." Richard Weaver, The Stategy of Words, 1962 -- Just a plain definition of conservative would do, instead of indulging in your sinister scenario.
It depends on whether you follow classical definitions, modern definitions (as exemplified by the left-leaning MSM vs. the GOP) vs. liberatarians. You ask for a hard definition of a political viewpoint, which is the same as demanding a definition for the color blue. It's a bullshit question. And THAT is why you asked it. OTOH, the National Socialist Party of pre-WWII Germany (Nazis, as we call them) had an established ideology. You can't simply change history to suit your purposes, so you (once again) attempt to divert attention away from your loser position... How amusing. And... how typical.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Really?? $50k just for a toy? LOL! Man, are you delirious. "Hard-working" folks often make LESS than $50k per year. And gee, if only I were a goob/union drone making $50 an hour, I too could afford a Tesla. Oh wait...that's only $2,000 per week and $100k per year - after taxes, about $70k. Based on this figure, please tell us Lucy just how the hell a "hard-working, successful type" affords this car?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Please substantiate your accusation, with links and quotes.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 It's less, and so what? How much money does it cost taxpayers to protect our oil around the world annually? So what? Should the goob subsidize MY ideas and inventions too? OR would 0bama's administration first require a tiny contribution from me like Solyndra? Oh...and that has ZIP to do with your "oil protection" theory.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Nice try,but you don't have Aspergers. You aren't smart enough.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
That may be, but solar/battery solves nothing TO-DAY - and especially the goobermint (and 0bama and Bush) doesn't ever get out of bed with Big Oil.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
The evidence suggest you and yukon are...kindred spirits. Except you make even him look sane and hetero. Btw, tell me - why do you keep on using photos of moody men as part of your tagline?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
I realize it disappoints you terribly, but you're wrong again. It's more a "Libby-Be-Disgusted."
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
YES! And you're its Poster Child (as if you didn't know you rascal.)
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Yes. Thanks Miss Crabtree.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
That is Tom Wilson who played Biff Tannen in Back to the Future.
Impossible. Goobermint is the source of ALL life, liberty, and happiness....AND FREE STUFF.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Thanks for the clarification... But it still doesn't explain Biffy's man-love fetish and obsession with HUGE photos of this guy, chronic irrelevance and drunkenness. NOT that I GAS.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
The joke used to be that IQ tests were created by a team of Asperger's, of course we called them geeky engineer types in those days. But it's so easy to get you Tea Baggers to strut your stuff.
Biffy creates the flame and the moths flock to it.
So...sadomasochist queers in black whose goal was to murder, maim, and oppress others was "conservative"? Uhh...Nazis were liberal-statists on steroids whose goal was to suppress freedom and independence...like you and your ilk fantasize about.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Excuse me? Lol...wow. Your alternative universe just slipped further into NEVER-NEVER LAND.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
This is why the government monopoly schools were first started in the U.S. -- to socialize children into progressive society. This is why the left keeps pushing to have children forced into government institutions at ever earlier ages. Both the Communists and Fascists also tried to create this new perfect socialist man. Nice kick-azz post. "Progressives" are about creating pods and sheeple and lobotomizing rational, thinking human beings. This forum provides a number of victims of the public school system's pervasive brain-washing and un-thinking obedience to the state.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
But, as usual you couldn't help yourself, and he singed you good.
If I give you a time restraint on uttering the rest of the alphabet, you won't finish.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Liberator: We know you're not kidding. Of course not... It's a long-time SOCIALIST tradition... Yep. "Liberalism" is actually a misnomer; It's a cutesy word for "fascism."
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Of course she does; ALL liberals believe as she does as do many RINOs and statists as liberals' natural allies.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Would you prefer the gold tooth/filling removal detail OR engaging in the really fun stuff of "re-educating conservatives" by medieval means?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
MG, you were just schooled.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
You can call 0bama "The One" too...DUH. What don't you get about "National Socialism," aka the "Nazis"??
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Keep making those posts,though. Let EVERYBODY know how stupid you are. BRAG about it. *laughing*
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
It's possible for a country to want to CONSERVE it's socialist traditions, dummy.
Germany was never called "Nazi". The word "Nazi" defined their political system. Maoism,a form of communism,defined the political system in China in the past,but China is no longer a communist country. They have morphed into being a fascist country. BTW,you still believe the US was formed as a democracy,don't you? You're conducting quite a clinic, Pete.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Nazism is a German "tradition"?? Since when?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Histrionics aside, all pete has to do is post a definition of 'conservative'.
As I said above, when you gave ME this bullshit question: OTOH, the National Socialist Party of pre-WWII Germany (Nazis, as we call them) had an established ideology. You can't simply change history to suit your purposes, so you (once again) attempt to divert attention away from your loser position... How amusing. And... how typical." You're QUITE the one-trick pony, aren't you?
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 While progress is usually linear in nature it's not at a constant rate of progression... Your boy JR's eyes just rolled in the back of his head with that one, btw...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Why page me? Feeling needy again?
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 I know how much you enjoy my tagline...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Oh, I see. Ve shall NOT compare rabid statist-socialism to Stalinism unt Nazism cuz that'd be a gross misrepresentation of da troof. *eyeball roll* This is the thing, Skidmark: You lefties are either in denial, naive, or dopey. OR, all of the above. It really is as though you are blind.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
OTOH, the National Socialist Party of pre-WWII Germany (Nazis, as we call them) had an established ideology. You can't simply change history to suit your purposes, so you (once again) attempt to divert attention away from your loser position... How amusing. And... how typical." Come on... certainly there's one definition of conservative that agrees with your thesis, or just do the usual and make one up.
Mininggold: "It depends on whether you follow classical definitions, modern definitions (as exemplified by the left-leaning MSM vs. the GOP) vs. liberatarians. You ask for a hard definition of a political viewpoint, which is the same as demanding a definition for the color blue. It's a bullshit question. And THAT is why you asked it. OTOH, the National Socialist Party of pre-WWII Germany (Nazis, as we call them) had an established ideology. You can't simply change history to suit your purposes, so you (once again) attempt to divert attention away from your loser position... Wow. What a convoluted, dead-end horseshit response by mininggold. CE: "You're QUITE the one-trick pony, aren't you?" Yes she is. But they all are in this regard. These nuts will do or say anything to avoid the actual real analogous comparison between Nazis, Commies - and American "Progressives." For their next distracting trick, I predict war and Mininggold will march through this forum on circus elephants in matching red lycra-spandex jumpsuits and tooting vuvuzelas.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
In all seriousness, loooong multiple taglines are annoyingly distracting to posts; Photos make reading a post an even more difficult chore. What's the point again??
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
I found her answer to be accurate...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Wow...ANOTHER extension...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
CE: "You're QUITE the one-trick pony, aren't you?" Yes she is. But they all are in this regard. These nuts will do or say anything to avoid the actual real analogous comparison between Nazis, Commies - and American "Progressives." For their next distracting trick, I predict war and Mininggold will march through this forum on circus elephants in matching red lycra-spandex jumpsuits and tooting vuvuzelas. The Nazi Party ran on a platform of promising to return Germany to it's past greatness. If that's not a conservative idea, maybe you need to find a different definition. The candidates supported by you code talker Tea Baggers ran on similiar promises.
You are exactly right. It all gets back to the notion that the state can create a "better" person. "Better" meaning more obedient to the state. To hell with this.
You get the Southern prisoners to the tooth pulling details in return for them getting the NFL package in their cells. Also, why I call you a loon is that you did not say - there won't be a FEMA death camp - you actually assume that's on the horizon. What a loon. I hope the black helicopters spray chem trails on you.
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
It all gets back to the notion that the state can create a "better" person. "Better" meaning more obedient to the state. To hell with this. Then 'best' would mean most obedient to corporations.
Which part?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Starting with the first word and ending at the last and in between...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
And Hitler wouldn't lie, would he? What was the reality of the Nazi Party in practice?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
That's scary.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Well...I noticed that both you and Junior attacked her personally rather than refuted any point that she made. That helped...
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Pretty funny... Also, why I call you a loon is that you did not say - there won't be a FEMA death camp - you actually assume that's on the horizon. What a loon. I hope the black helicopters spray chem trails on you. That was too... Okay kids - be good. I've got to go to work because I'm a conservative.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
What was the reality of the Nazi Party in practice? His practice was much like the current crop that call themselves conservatives in the US.
WHAT "point" did she make? She scraped a bunch of stuff off the ground, tossed it into a mixing bowl and called what came out of the oven a "cake." Sorry, it just wasn't.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
To call you insane is insulting to the insane. You're insane x 1000.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Sorry, it just wasn't. So you just jumped in without reading the whole thread....Typical
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I see you're huddling behind your Saul Alinsky type innuendo again. Why don't you refute it if you can.
Keep in mind that the person hurling that invective is a regular poster at LP...
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Talking over your head again, is she.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
That's because you understood it.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
He wasn't big on diversity as I recall.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
To refute it, he'd have to understand it.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
It is not necessary to "refute" that which is obviously untrue. You're delusional, it's as simple as that.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Yup. That's all she's really good for... Do NOT expect her to actually think beyond her knee-jerk talking points... she just can't bring herself to make the transition to logic and common-sense... LMAO!
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." Mark Twain
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Does your hairline hide your lobotomy scars?
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 I'm not a Tea Bagger,but what is a "progressive" like you that wants a return to the 1920's in Russia doing making slurs against homosexuals? To the Gulag with you! After a proper stay in a mental hospital,of course.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
In AMERICA,it means you follow the founders of this country and promote maximum individual freedoms while keeping a close eye and a short chain on the necessary evil that is government. The result was the Bill of Rights that RECOGNIZE rights mankind is born with and puts limits on the power of government. The Founding Fathers were overwhelmingly what we today call Libertarian in their viewpoints.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You mean like the DNC does?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
And Hitler wouldn't lie, would he? Of course not. In the Bizarro World she lives in,only people who claim to be conservative lie. Uncle Joe Stalin was just misunderstood.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
While you are at it,make sure that you remember that war was a regular poster on LP too,before he got bounced.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Yea so? IN retrospect that was a sign of my normalcy...
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Which part? Starting with the first word and ending at the last and in between... No stems, no seeds that you don't need . . . Acapulco Gold is . . . . {{{pfffffffffffft}}} . . . BADDDDASS WEED!!
__________________________________________________________________________________________ Yea so? So you clearly implied someone else was stupid because they were a regular poster at LP. IN retrospect that was a sign of my normalcy... Posting there was,getting bounced is a sign of nothing at all. Normal people like to hear a variety of viewpoints,and argue their points against the points of others because they understand that it not only helps refine their own arguments,but maybe there is a chance they can convince a sheeple from the other side to consider an opposing point of view. Unfortunately,there are too few people that want to hear anything other than echoes,and even fewer boards were opposing views are tolerated. Usually it is a gang of leftists ratpacking anybody that doesn't agree with the collective viewpoint,or a gang of neo-cons doing the same things for the same reasons.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
If you're worried about scaring, you should consult your doctor.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
It's not called The Cuckoo's Nest for nossing, Schotzie... Normal people like to hear a variety of viewpoints,and argue their points against the points of others because they understand that it not only helps refine their own arguments,but maybe there is a chance they can convince a sheeple from the other side to consider an opposing point of view. Did you just talk yourself into agreeing with me?
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Big Bamboo....
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No,but it seems like I talked you into agreeing with me. Mostly. You still won't admit you were wrong for slamming anybody that posts on LP even though you used to post there daily until you got banned.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I wasn't wrong. 100% very happy that I no longer post there and here's one of 10,000,000 reasons why... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ #79. To: sneakypete (#22) (Edited) Okay. NOW you're lying! It was explained to you by others, and by me, that the sight of the first gun was BAD. It was off. And here you go lying about it again. Her father is a very experienced hunter, and HE didn't know the sight was bad. I know you know better...and that pisses me off beyond words. One thing I cannot tolerate is a liar...especially when I know they know the truth. You just keep lying about Palin on LP, and pretty soon, you'll be lyin about her someplace else. I have a ZERO tolerance for liars, especially about Sarah Palin and her kin. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. Goldi-Lox posted on 2010-12-14 15:56:31 ET Reply Trace
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YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. Goldi-Lox posted on 2010-12-14 15:56:31 ET Reply Trace Too Funny. I wondered why Sneaky did a flip on Sarah Palin. You have to sell your soul to post as a regular over there.
Sad...
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Yeah really, there used to be some good, honest discussions there.
Okay. NOW you're lying! It was explained to you by others, and by me, that the sight of the first gun was BAD. It was off. And here you go lying about it again. Her father is a very experienced hunter, and HE didn't know the sight was bad. I know you know better...and that pisses me off beyond words. One thing I cannot tolerate is a liar...especially when I know they know the truth. You just keep lying about Palin on LP, and pretty soon, you'll be lyin about her someplace else. I have a ZERO tolerance for liars, especially about Sarah Palin and her kin. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. Goldi-Lox posted on 2010-12-14 15:56:31 ET Reply Trace Now post my response to her,and note that I am still able to post there.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Not the point. She is the issue not you...
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Because despite the great start she made posing as a conservative,she was seduced by the fame and the money,and quickly became a RINO. If I were insane enough to want to support and vote for a Dim,I'd support and vote for a real one that wasn't ashamed to admit they are a Dim. The only real differences between McLunatic and Barry Soetoro were skin color and one was a VERY competent corrupt thief,and the darker one a very incompetent thief. Given that choice,Barry Soetoro was and is a lesser danger to the Republic than McLunatic,who has decades of favors owed,experience,personal friendships with the other DC insider criminal class known as politicians,AND he knows where the bodies are buried. He would have been harmful to our Republic and Constitution on a level that Barry can only dream about about. The fact is that every time Palin spoke out about what a loser Barry Soetoro was and how dangerous he would be to our Republic,McLunatic held a press conference to publicly spank her and apologize for her remarks. Despite being attacked by her own party more often than by her opponents she did everything but blow him in public after the election was over in a effort to try to stay at the top of the RINO shit pile. Hell,she even campaigned for his re-election to the Senate. There is NO excuse for that other than to advance her own career. I am now convinced that regardless of what her personal convictions are that she will say and do whatever is required to keep promoting her career. IF she is successful at convincing the RINO Cardinals that she can be trusted to not upset their apple carts,they MIGHT allow her to kiss their rings and run for President in 2012. If she is successful she will win. There is not one chance in hell of the retard in the WH now beating her. Having said that,she still won't get MY vote. I no longer vote for the lesser of two evils. I only vote for people I actually want to see in office.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Now sheeet - where have I heard that...
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Refute insanity? No thanks - it gives me a headache.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Wow...are you calling me...your version of a "nigger"? Goin' easy on me I guess - you could be calling me a "Teabagger."
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
lucysmom: That's because you understood it. Liberator: The lunatics in the asylum have their own language. I find it charming. Carry on.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
You're delusional, it's as simple as that. That's another way to put it. What's funny is they actually believe their own bizarro-world fairy tales.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Yep - logic and common sense are treated by these folks as though they're radioactive. The names may be different here but the talking points and fairy tales from mininggoldlucysmomwarskipintro are exactly the same with NO deviation, NO challenges of 0bama and the Dems, and NO questions as the left's agenda shreds the Constitution. EVER. They are the definition of "tool."
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
To the Gulag with you! After a proper stay in a mental hospital,of course. HEH! I count Pete +4.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
In AMERICA,it means you follow the founders of this country and promote maximum individual freedoms while keeping a close eye and a short chain on the necessary evil that is government. The result was the Bill of Rights that RECOGNIZE rights mankind is born with and puts limits on the power of government. The Founding Fathers were overwhelmingly what we today call Libertarian in their viewpoints. Nicely and succinctly stated. Now WHAT issue might the house liberals here have with your definition? Oh, that's right - they endorse THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
HEH! I count Pete +4. All you Tea Baggers were swarming like flies while blubbering your meaningless fantasies and code talk, yet not one could prove my assertion was false or even post a differing definition.
Now now - the DNC do care about da peepulls (just as long as they be black, brown, dark brown, Third World tan, Hispanic, queer, transvestite, militant man-hating b*tches, socialist, illegals, or union thugs.) Uh-oh - did I forget pasty-azz crackahs? No.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Thank you for your brilliant analysis. Yes, you are RIGHT! Therefore, by the authority of Arianna Huffingstuff, I am proud to compensate you $.01 for your trouble - but ONLY because you're worth it.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Uncle Joe Stalin was just misunderstood. If she and the house liberals would JUST ONCE admit 0bama is bullsh*tting, lying, stealing, and screwing the country over, they MIGHT be taken seriously an iota. BUT... Of course - these moonbats would also regard Uncle Joe as a "victim" as well.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
While you are at it,make sure that you remember that war was a regular poster on LP too,before he got bounced. Yeeeeees. That's right. And as I recall, war was a pretty generous financial supporter as well. Don't know how he met his untimely demise there, but I guess since he's been jettisoned, LP has obviously lost its luster. *snicker*
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
No,but it seems like I talked you into agreeing with me. That's the way I saw it. Lol... You still won't admit you were wrong for slamming anybody that posts on LP even though you used to post there daily until you got banned. I'm willing to accept your sincere apology, war. :-)
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Is that war's version of a "nuclear option"?? LOL
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Don't get sexual on these political forums or I shall call Moderator X to thwart you in publick. This is a publick warning and is the last warning.
Lol...NO! Not Mod X! But we all know the record for getting frisky at these forums is set by Miss Yukon/Fartsky/I'm Back/Vermon Exterminator.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
You are going to get it, pal. "yukon" and his silly band of of fuck-ups are a "has been" and anyone that carries around this baggage deserves death, banning and total annihilation.
LP is the Zionista Wing of Berfer Central. At one time, it was not. The only normal poster over there is TooConservative.
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I liked A Pole.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
He posted articles more than he commented, IIRC...
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He did post a lot of articles. He commented as well, but managed to avoid the mud fights - on LP that cuts down on the number of posts.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
{;^D
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Well put.
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#2. To: Biff Tannen (#1)
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff? 
#3. To: Capitalist Eric (#2)
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#4. To: (#3)
You thought your joke was so funny you put it in your tagline so everyone could see it. Loser.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff? 
#5. To: Capitalist Eric (#4)
Translation: You're desperately trying to derail the thread.
#6. To: Capitalist Eric, Ferret Mike, mininggold, war, Fed Mertz, All (#2)
For now, if you have a problem with the article, please post something of substance, or kindly STFU.
#7. To: lucysmom (#6)
"Oh Eric, that is funny!"
#8. To: Biff Tannen (#3)
You thought your joke was so funny you put it in your tagline so everyone could see it.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#9. To: lucysmom, Ferret Mike, mininggold, war, Fed Mertz, A K A Stone, Badeye, jwpegler, CZ82, nolu chan, hondo68, eskimo, socalv8, sneakypete, Mad Dog, Liberator (#6)
Oh Eric, that is funny!
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#10. To: Capitalist Eric (#9)
When you leftist losers knee-jerk back to the 25 rules of disinformation (coupled with Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals,"), you confirm what I already knew: you've got nothing to contradict the facts of the article.
#11. To: lucysmom (#10)
Delusional disorder, previously called paranoid disorder, is a type of serious mental illness called a "psychosis" in which a person cannot tell what is real from what is imagined. The main feature of this disorder is the presence of delusions, which are unshakable beliefs in something untrue. People with delusional disorder experience non-bizarre delusions, which involve situations that could occur in real life, such as being followed, poisoned, deceived, conspired against, or loved from a distance. These delusions usually involve the misinterpretation of perceptions or experiences. In reality, however, the situations are either not true at all or highly exaggerated.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#12. To: Capitalist Eric (#11)
WebMD
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#13. To: war (#12)
Pretty much summed yourself up...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#14. To: Capitalist Eric, lucysmom, Ferret Mike, mininggold, war, Fed Mertz, A K A Stone, Badeye, jwpegler, CZ82, nolu chan, hondo68, eskimo, socalv8, sneakypete, Mad Dog (#9)
When you leftist losers knee-jerk back to the 25 rules of disinformation (coupled with Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals,"), you confirm what I already knew:
#15. To: Capitalist Eric (#0)
If we are talking solar power plants, plus nighttime storage of electricity able to supply 65 000 MW on demand the costs are so far out - if it was technically possible - there is no need even imagining them. We end up with a simple readout: we would need coal or gas power plants, but again for amusement purposes, we can give a price tag for charging less than 8 percent of Europe's fantasy fleet of all electric cars in the year 2020 using "low carbon" nuclear or offshore wind power.
#16. To: Liberator (#14)
"IF they admit the obvious, they've admitted to consent of the destruction of "America as we know it.""
...slinging batshit disinformation by the ton, changing the subject, tangential emoting, joking instead, dismissing the subject, acting dopey, and creating strawmen."
#17. To: Ferret Mike, Capitalist Eric, all LF's socialists (#7)
Capitalist eDick is always comical as he rants and rails against the global warming that is so obviously happening, or any conveyance other then something like a large SUV which is what I'm sure he drives.
#18. To: Ferret Mike, Capitalist Eric (#16)
(Edited)
Actually, if youtry to argue in good faith with Capitalist eDick you only get belittlements and insults back. He has gotten courtesy and reasonable replies from me before and if there is no reciprocation, he gets the response he asks for.
#19. To: Liberator (#18)
(Edited)
#20. To: Ferret Mike, Site LiberalsSocialists (#16)
(...slinging batshit disinformation by the ton, changing the subject, tangential emoting, joking instead, dismissing the subject, acting dopey, and creating strawmen.")
#21. To: Liberator, A K A Stone (#20)
"Yeah, I understand, but why then did the forum leftists comment at all?"
#22. To: war (#12)
#23. To: Ferret Mike (#21)
bombastic verbal rollar derby
#24. To: Ferret Mike (#7)
Capitalist eDick is always comical as he rants and rails against the global warming that is so obviously happening,
a little *hint* for you:
or any conveyance other then something like a large SUV which is what I'm sure he drives.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#25. To: Liberator (#18)
(Edited)
Eric, Mike has more often than not impressed me as a socialist who is able to discuss issues without personal animus getting in the way.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#26. To: Liberator (#14)
an honest socialist
That government is best which governs not at all -- Henry David Thoreau
#27. To: jwpegler (#26)
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#28. To: Capitalist Eric (#27)
I think it's very appropriate to have occasional reminders of what the resident leftists really want.
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#29. To: Capitalist Eric, All LF Website Socialists (#9)
When you leftist losers knee-jerk back to the 25 rules of disinformation (coupled with Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals,"), you confirm what I already knew: you've got nothing to contradict the facts of the article.
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#30. To: Capitalist Eric (#13)
I don't specialize in mental disorders
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#31. To: Capitalist Eric, lucysmom, All (#13)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#32. To: war (#31)
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#33. To: Liberator, Capitalist Eric, lucysmom, Ferret Mike, mininggold, war, Fed Mertz, A K A Stone, Badeye, jwpegler, CZ82, nolu chan, hondo68, eskimo, socalv8, Mad Dog (#14)
it's next to impossible to find an honest socialist to debate reality.
#34. To: sneakypete, Capitalist Eric, lucysmom, Ferret Mike, mininggold, war, Fed Mertz, A K A Stone, Badeye, jwpegler, CZ82, nolu chan, hondo68, eskimo, socalv8, Mad Dog (#33)
Socialists are dreamers. They dream up plans where the world would be perfect if every tiny little detail of their dreams worked perfectly.
#35. To: CZ82 (#29)
To: Capitalist Eric, All LF Website Socialists...
#36. To: CZ82 (#29)
#37. To: jwpegler (#26)
Here are the results of honest socialism:
#38. To: Capitalist Eric (#32)
??????
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#39. To: Godwinson (#22)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#40. To: Liberator (#37)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#41. To: war (#38)
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#42. To: Capitalist Eric (#41)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#43. To: Capitalist Eric (#25)
In other words, when you get down to brass tacks, he can no more discuss objective facts than loonymom.
#44. To: war, jwpegler (#40)
What do skulls have to do with electric cars?
#45. To: war (#39)
Why do conservatives believe that once something is invented that it has to be an immediate success or it's a failure?
#46. To: war (#39)
I've read through the article on three separate occasions now and still don't get the point of it.
#47. To: Capitalist Eric (#11)
Frankly, you're just aren't worth the time it would take, to rub your nose in your own shit... Even when directly confronted with facts, you still insist that your wishful-thinking trumps reality.
#48. To: Liberator (#14)
The safe play for 98% of forum leftists/socialists is...slinging batsh*t disinformation by the ton, changing the subject, tangential emoting, joking instead, dismissing the subject, acting dopey, and creating strawmen.
#49. To: sneakypete (#33)
People GENERALLY don't mind sharing with and sacrificing for people they are related to or know personally,but close off when you want them to share with and sacrifice for people they don't know.
#50. To: lucysmom, Liberator (#48)
Liberator: The safe play for 98% of forum leftists/socialists is...slinging batsh*t disinformation by the ton, changing the subject, tangential emoting, joking instead, dismissing the subject, acting dopey, and creating strawmen.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#51. To: Liberator (#44)
war: What do skulls have to do with electric cars?
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#52. To: Liberator (#45)
The electric car provides neither performance, ecological or economic advantage.
#53. To: Capitalist Eric (#50)
Unbelievable as it seems, you're even dumber that I thought.
#54. To: lucysmom (#49)
Then how do you account for disaster relief sent to Haiti, Pakistan, Japan, SE Asia, etc. by Americans?
#55. To: lucysmom, sneakypete (#49)
People GENERALLY don't mind sharing with and sacrificing for people they are related to or know personally,but close off when you want them to share with and sacrifice for people they don't know.
#56. To: Godwinson (#55)
That is why you need a govt to overcome the general assholeness of human beings.
#57. To: sneakypete (#54)
It's good to see you admit I was right about the motivation of socialists.
#58. To: sneakypete, lucysmom (#56)
Maybe a retard like you needs the government to do their thinking for them,but not me.
#59. To: lucysmom (#57)
#60. To: Godwinson (#58)
S: Maybe a retard like you needs the government to do their thinking for them,but not me.
#61. To: Ferret Mike (#59)
Elizabeth Warren on the debt crisis and fair taxation.
#62. To: Liberator (#44)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#63. To: Liberator (#45)
Like what? Inefficient battery-powered electric cars with inefficient, inadequate, largely unavailable half-baked solutions to recharging them? Cost that render them cost-prohibitive? Power that requires electricity??
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#64. To: war (#63)
why do you folks require INSTANT gratification?
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#65. To: Biff Tannen (#64)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#66. To: war (#65)
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#67. To: Biff Tannen (#66)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#68. To: Liberator (#45)
This technology is at least two-decades old and crawling at a snails' pace.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#69. To: lucysmom (#57)
Then how do you account for disaster relief sent to Haiti, Pakistan, Japan, SE Asia, etc. by Americans? challenged your assertion that free will giving had to do with the closeness of the relationship of the giver to the one in need.
#70. To: Godwinson (#58)
Says the hypocrite who lived his whole life earning a govt paycheck, getting room and board.
#71. To: Capitalist Eric, war (#51)
Try to be patient.
#72. To: Liberator (#71)
War ought to know better....
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#73. To: lucysmom (#52)
I wouldn't mind having one of these.
#74. To: war (#72)
IN regard to what?
#75. To: lucysmom, Capitalist Eric (#53)
Okay, so I'm dumb - now what?
#76. To: sneakypete, lucysmom (#54)
The disaster relief is sent to other countries as an option. Nobody is demanding we send it.
#77. To: sneakypete (#54)
People don't mind giving to a charity,but nobody likes being told what charity they have to give to or how much they are required to give.
#78. To: sneakypete (#70)
"Secondly,even if I had of done that,the key word is "EARNING",not being a parasite like you."
#79. To: Godwinson, lucysmom, sneakypete (#55)
You need a govt to overcome the general assholeness of human beings.
#80. To: Liberator (#76)
After all, they are the conscious [sic] of America.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#81. To: Liberator (#79)
This is the very definition of the typical Liberal/leftist/Commie brain.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#82. To: sneakypete, Godwinson (#56)
(Edited)
(Godwinson: "That is why you need a govt to overcome the general assholeness of human beings.")
#83. To: war (#81)
Locke wasn't a Communist. Nor was Hobbes.
#84. To: war (#80)
Just curious as to why you're posting here, Libby...Goldi pulled your lollipop away?
#85. To: Liberator, sneakypete, war, lucysmom (#82)
(Edited)
(Godwinson: "That is why you need a govt to overcome the general assholeness of human beings.")
#86. To: sneakypete, Godwinson (#56)
Maybe a retard like you needs the government to do their thinking for them,but not me.
#87. To: sneakypete, Liberator, war. lucysmom (#86)
Well, G-win-son is a flaming lib/lefist/socialist. His default position about life. He/she/it basically looks to the goob to provide air and food and reason for living.
#88. To: Godwinson, sneakypete, war, lucysmom (#85)
Since I have to share the earth with you assholes, the govt exists to prevent you morons from damaging the rest of us.
#89. To: Godwinson, sneakypete, Liberator, war, lucysmom (#87)
Yea, I am waiting for the govt to build us them FEMA death camps so I can apply for a position as a guard. Then we can round you guys up and turn you into soap and or work you to death in Alaskan gulags.
#90. To: Godwinson (#85)
So, in the kook world you live in lib, people can use their own judgment to figure out if they had too much to drink when getting behind the wheel of a car?
#91. To: Liberator, Godwinson, (#88)
Is this an admission that you support preemptive police-state assaults...
#92. To: war (#68)
Henry Ford didn't have to fight the Horse and Buggy Lobby.
#93. To: Biff Tannen (#64)
All luberator requires is an audience for his bloviations.
#94. To: Godwinson (#85)
"If you retards were islands, you can screw up your surroundings as much as possible. But since I have to share the earth with you assholes, the govt exists to prevent you morons from driving drunk."
#95. To: mininggold (#91)
What's good for Israel should be good for the rest of the world.
#96. To: sneakypete (#69)
Why do I have to explain something this simple?
#97. To: war, Capitalist Eric (#72)
IN point of fact, you're both mindlessly defending 19th century technology as being the wave of the future.
#98. To: sneakypete (#70)
Secondly,even if I had of done that,the key word is "EARNING",not being a parasite like you.
#99. To: Liberator (#73)
Yes...It's cool....If you've got $50,000 floating around in your "toy account"...
#100. To: Liberator, war, Capitalist Eric (#97)
By pointing out the inefficiency and impracticality of electric cars as the technology currently stands?
#101. To: Liberator (#93)
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#102. To: Liberator (#84)
I post where I choose.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#103. To: Liberator (#75)
Stay away from sharp objects and keep on taking your medication. ;-)
#104. To: Liberator (#76)
After all, they are the conscious of America.
#105. To: Liberator (#79)
This is the very definition of the typical Liberal/leftist/Commie brain.
#106. To: lucysmom, Liberator (#105)
In an earlier post you proved that words and their definitions is not your strong suit.
#107. To: Liberator (#86)
He/she/it basically looks to the goob to provide air and food and reason for living.
#108. To: Liberator (#88)
You DO realize you're a Nazi, right?
#109. To: sneakypete (#33)
(Edited)
They dream up plans where the world would be perfect if every tiny little detail of their dreams worked perfectly.
That government is best which governs not at all -- Henry David Thoreau
#110. To: Liberator (#97)
By pointing out the inefficiency and impracticality of electric cars as the technology currently stands?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#111. To: lucysmom (#108)
#112. To: Godwinson (#100)
The production of oil - from the military budgets to the cost of transportation and refinement to the health toll that pollution from refinement and exhaust creates makes gasoline very inefficient.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#113. To: Liberator, Godwinson, sneakypete, Liberator, war, lucysmom (#89)
gobsheit: Yea, I am waiting for the govt to build us them FEMA death camps so I can apply for a position as a guard. Then we can round you guys up and turn you into soap and or work you to death in Alaskan gulags.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#114. To: lucysmom (#98)
I believe it has been established by the true conservatives posters that nobody employed by government earns his pay.
#115. To: Capitalist Eric (#112)
Battery-powered cars were introduced about 30 years after internal combustion engines were married to the "horseless carriage." In other words, there's about 80 years of history, and electric cars have never matched the inherent net energy efficiency of gas cars.
#116. To: Capitalist Eric, sneakypete, Liberator, war, lucysmom (#113)
#117. To: lucysmom (#103)
There's medication for dumb? I guess one has to be smart to know that.
#118. To: sneakypete, lucysmom (#117)
Don't worry. You will soon have your own prescription for it once it comes out.
#119. To: lucysmom (#108)
Nazis were the conservatives.
#120. To: sneakypete (#119)
That must be why they defined themselves as Socialists,huh?
#121. To: mininggold (#118)
Now if they could only find something to cure Aspergers.
#122. To: mininggold (#120)
That must be why they defined themselves as Socialists,huh?
#123. To: sneakypete (#122)
Where the HELL did you "learn" that nonsense? The Nazis were only conservative in the sense that they were NATIONAL socialists in comparison to their communist brothers who were GLOBAL socialists. A fascist is nothing more than a communist that has evolved. They,and you,are nothing more than leftists.
#124. To: sneakypete (#114)
Hell,you even think Boy Jorge was a conservative.
#125. To: sneakypete (#121)
Jealousy is a ugly emotion.
#126. To: sneakypete (#119)
That must be why they defined themselves as Socialists,huh?
#127. To: Godwinson (#115)
Look at your cell phone. Mine lasts for 2 to 3 days on one charge these days.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#128. To: Capitalist Eric (#127)
#129. To: mininggold, sneakypete (#123)
Sneakypete: The Nazis were only conservative in the sense that they were NATIONAL socialists in comparison to their communist brothers who were GLOBAL socialists. A fascist is nothing more than a communist that has evolved. They,and you,are nothing more than leftists.
Delusional disorder, previously called paranoid disorder, is a type of serious mental illness called a "psychosis" in which a person cannot tell what is real from what is imagined. The main feature of this disorder is the presence of delusions, which are unshakable beliefs in something untrue. People with delusional disorder experience non-bizarre delusions, which involve situations that could occur in real life, such as being followed, poisoned, deceived, conspired against, or loved from a distance. These delusions usually involve the misinterpretation of perceptions or experiences. In reality, however, the situations are either not true at all or highly exaggerated. People with delusional disorder often can continue to socialize and function normally, apart from the subject of their delusion, and generally do not behave in an obviously odd or bizarre manner. This is unlike people with other psychotic disorders, who also might have delusions as a symptom of their disorder. In some cases, however, people with delusional disorder might become so preoccupied with their delusions that their lives are disrupted.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#130. To: mininggold (#123)
Your sloganeering doesn't change the definition.
#131. To: Capitalist Eric (#129)
Which takes us right back to the delusional disorder that affects so many leftists, as I posted earlier:
#132. To: lucysmom (#124)
Hell,you even think Boy Jorge was a conservative.
#133. To: mininggold (#125)
Another typical Asperger response, showing you can't take what you dish out.
#134. To: lucysmom (#126)
That must be why they defined themselves as Socialists,huh?
#135. To: sneakypete (#133)
Typical leftist response. You claim to be more moral than anyone else,yet you try to ridicule me with posts about me having Aspergers Syndrome just like that is something to be ashamed of,when the truth is YOU are the one that is retarded because even after all this time you still haven't researched the Syndrome.
#136. To: mininggold (#131)
(Edited)
...prove me wrong.
"It has been agreed that ‘sweet’ stands for one kind of sensory response, and ‘sour’ for a very different one, and nobody can singly on his own volition switch these two around, anymore than he could tell the clerk in a store that in his lexicon five is more than ten that therefore he ought to have change for his five dollar bill when he made a ten dollar purchase."
-- Richard Weaver, The Stategy of Words, 1962 --
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#137. To: sneakypete (#134)
I don't know why I even bother to keep trying to educate you,but here we go again.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#138. To: lucysmom, sneakypete (#98)
I believe it has been established by the true conservatives posters that nobody employed by government earns his pay.
#139. To: Capitalist Eric (#136)
I reject arguments where words are easily and intentionally distorted, to mean an entirely different idea. A word, as a symbol to mean something, cannot be taken to mean the exact opposite.
#140. To: mininggold, sneakypete (#139)
Just a plain definition of conservative would do, instead of indulging in your sinister scenario.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#141. To: lucysmom (#99)
Certainly hard working, successful types can afford $50,000 for a car.
#142. To: Godwinson (#128)
You support a political system that gives support to science deniers so why should any people listen to your side....
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#143. To: lucysmom (#99)
("Aren't they [Tesla] now asking the goobermint for another half-billion dollar loan? Or is it more?")
#144. To: mininggold (#135)
Creating your own reality instead of using facts that don't fit your delusion is another symptom.
#145. To: Godwinson (#100)
The production of oil - from the military budgets to the cost of transportation and refinement to the health toll that pollution from refinement and exhaust creates makes gasoline very inefficient.
#146. To: Biff Tannen (#101)
It's more likely that you are Yukon's son.
#147. To: war (#102)
Thought she did...a time out or a full "Libby Be-gone"?
#148. To: lucysmom (#103)
There's medication for dumb?
#149. To: lucysmom (#104)
Oh hey smartypants, did you mean conscience?
#150. To: Liberator (#146)
#151. To: lucysmom (#107)
Forces greater than government provided air and food.
#152. To: Ferret Mike (#150)
That is Tom Wilson who played Biff Tannen in Back to the Future.
#153. To: sneakypete (#144)
Nice try,but you don't have Aspergers. You aren't smart enough.
#154. To: Liberator, Biff Tannen (#152)
But it still doesn't explain Biffy's man-love fetish and obsession with HUGE photos of this guy, chronic irrelevance and drunkenness. NOT that I GAS.
#155. To: lucysmom (#108)
Nazis were the conservatives.
#156. To: mininggold (#154)
Biffy creates the flame and the moths flock to it.
#157. To: jwpegler (#109)
The left got just about everything wrong in the 20th century, not just economics. The left also believed that humans are born with a "blank slate" that can be molded to create a new type of person.
#158. To: Liberator (#156)
Excuse me? Lol...wow. Your alternative universe just slipped further into NEVER-NEVER LAND.
#159. To: war (#110)
The alphabet has a lot of letters after A, B and C...
#160. To: Capitalist Eric (#113)
gobsheit: Yea, I am waiting for the govt to build us them FEMA death camps so I can apply for a position as a guard. Then we can round you guys up and turn you into soap and or work you to death in Alaskan gulags.
#161. To: sneakypete, lucysmom (#114)
(To: Lucy): "Hell,you even think Boy Jorge was a conservative."
#162. To: Godwinson, Capitalist Eric, sneakypete, war, lucysmom (#116)
Sign me up for that death camp work, FEMA!
#163. To: sneakypete, mininggold (#122)
Where the HELL did you "learn" that nonsense? The Nazis were only conservative in the sense that they were NATIONAL socialists in comparison to their communist brothers who were GLOBAL socialists. A fascist is nothing more than a communist that has evolved. They,and you,are nothing more than leftists.
#164. To: lucysmom, Sneakypete (#126)
The Chinese call their country the People's Republic of China, does that make them republican?
#165. To: sneakypete, mininggold (#133)
Let me ask you this,if *I* am retarded,what does that make you,given that I could lost half my IQ points and still be 10 times smarter than you?
#166. To: Liberator (#164)
You can call 0bama "The One" too...DUH. What don't you get about "National Socialism," aka the "Nazis"??
#167. To: sneakypete, lucysmom (#134)
I don't know why I even bother to keep trying to educate you,but here we go again.
#168. To: mininggold (#166)
It's possible for a country to want to CONSERVE it's socialist traditions, dummy.
#169. To: Liberator, sneakypete (#167)
You're conducting quite a clinic, Pete.
#170. To: mininggold, Liberator, sneakypete (#169)
Histrionics aside, all pete has to do is post a definition of 'conservative'.
"It depends on whether you follow classical definitions, modern definitions (as exemplified by the left-leaning MSM vs. the GOP) vs. liberatarians. You ask for a hard definition of a political viewpoint, which is the same as demanding a definition for the color blue. It's a bullshit question. And THAT is why you asked it.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#171. To: Liberator, Capitalist Eric (#159)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#172. To: war (#171)
While progress is usually linear in nature it's not at a constant rate of progression... Your boy JR's eyes just rolled in the back of his head with that one, btw...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#173. To: Capitalist Eric (#172)
Why page me?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#174. To: Skip Intro, lucysmom (#111)
I see Lubricator is using the Rightwingnuts font.
#175. To: Capitalist Eric (#170)
"It depends on whether you follow classical definitions, modern definitions (as exemplified by the left-leaning MSM vs. the GOP) vs. liberatarians. You ask for a hard definition of a political viewpoint, which is the same as demanding a definition for the color blue. It's a bullshit question. And THAT is why you asked it.
#176. To: Capitalist Eric, Mininggold, sneakypete, lucysmom, war (#170)
As I said above, when you gave ME this bullshit question:
#177. To: war, Capitalist Eric, all (#173)
I know how much you enjoy my tagline...
#178. To: Liberator (#176)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#179. To: Liberator (#177)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#180. To: Liberator (#176)
(Edited)
Wow. What a convoluted, dead-end horseshit response by mininggold.
#181. To: Liberator (#157)
"Progressives" are about creating pods and sheeple and lobotomizing rational, thinking human beings. This forum provides a number of victims of the public school system's pervasive brain-washing and un-thinking obedience to the state.
That government is best which governs not at all -- Henry David Thoreau
#182. To: Liberator, lucysmom, war (#162)
Would you prefer the gold tooth/filling removal detail OR engaging in the really fun stuff of "re-educating conservatives" by medieval means?
#183. To: jwpegler (#181)
ou are exactly right.
#184. To: war (#178)
I found her answer to be accurate...
#185. To: Liberator (#184)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#186. To: mininggold (#180)
The Nazi Party ran on a platform of promising to return Germany to it's past greatness.
#187. To: war (#185)
Starting with the first word and ending at the last and in between...
#188. To: Liberator (#187)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#189. To: Godwinson, all (#182)
You get the Southern prisoners to the tooth pulling details in return for them getting the NFL package in their cells.
#190. To: Liberator (#186)
And Hitler wouldn't lie, would he?
#191. To: war (#188)
I noticed that both you and Junior attacked her personally rather than refuted any point that she made.
#192. To: mininggold (#190)
His [Hitler] practice was much like the current crop that call themselves conservatives in the US.
#193. To: Liberator (#191)
WHAT "point" did she make? She scraped a bunch of stuff off the ground, tossed it into a mixing bowl and called what came out of the oven a "cake."
#194. To: Liberator (#189)
Okay kids - be good. I've got to go to work because I'm a conservative.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#195. To: Liberator (#192)
To call you insane is insulting to the insane. You're insane x 1000.
#196. To: mininggold (#195)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#197. To: Liberator, mininggold (#176)
Wow. What a convoluted, dead-end horseshit response by mininggold.
#198. To: war (#178)
I found her answer to be accurate...
#199. To: mininggold (#190)
His practice was much like the current crop that call themselves conservatives in the US.
#200. To: mininggold (#195)
Why don't you refute it if you can.
#201. To: mininggold (#195)
Why don't you refute it if you can.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#202. To: Liberator (#176)
Wow. What a convoluted, dead-end horseshit response by mininggold.
For their next distracting trick, I predict war and Mininggold will march through this forum on circus elephants in matching red lycra-spandex jumpsuits and tooting vuvuzelas.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#203. To: Capitalist Eric (#201)
It is not necessary to "refute" that which is obviously untrue.
#204. To: lucysmom (#203)
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#205. To: mininggold (#153)
But it's so easy to get you Tea Baggers to strut your stuff.
#206. To: mininggold (#169)
Histrionics aside, all pete has to do is post a definition of 'conservative'.
#207. To: mininggold (#180)
The Nazi Party ran on a platform of promising to return Germany to it's past greatness.
#208. To: Liberator, mininggold (#186)
The Nazi Party ran on a platform of promising to return Germany to it's past greatness.
#209. To: war, mininggold (#196)
Keep in mind that the person hurling that invective is a regular poster at LP...
#210. To: sneakypete (#209)
(Edited)
While you are at it,make sure that you remember that war was a regular poster on LP too,before he got bounced.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#211. To: war, Liberator (#185)
I found her answer to be accurate...
ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!
#212. To: war (#210)
While you are at it,make sure that you remember that war was a regular poster on LP too,before he got bounced.
#213. To: Capitalist Eric (#204)
Does your hairline hide your lobotomy scars?
#214. To: sneakypete (#212)
So you clearly implied someone else was stupid because they were a regular poster at LP.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#215. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#211)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#216. To: war (#214)
Did you just talk yourself into agreeing with me?
#217. To: sneakypete (#216)
You still won't admit you were wrong for slamming anybody that posts on LP even though you used to post there daily until you got banned.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#218. To: war (#217)
I have a ZERO tolerance for liars, especially about Sarah Palin and her kin.
#219. To: mininggold (#218)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#220. To: war (#219)
Sad...
#221. To: war (#217)
#79. To: sneakypete (#22) (Edited)
#222. To: sneakypete (#221)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#223. To: mininggold (#218)
(Edited)
Too Funny. I wondered why Sneaky did a flip on Sarah Palin.
#224. To: Get Outta Dodge!, war (#211)
No stems, no seeds that you don't need . . .
#225. To: mininggold (#195)
Why don't you refute it if you can.
#226. To: war (#196)
Keep in mind that the person hurling that invective is a regular poster at LP...
#227. To: lucysmom, war (#198)
war: "I found her [gobbledygook] answer to be accurate..."
#228. To: Capitalist Eric, mininggold (#201)
It is not necessary to "refute" that which is obviously untrue.
#229. To: Capitalist Eric (#202)
Do NOT expect her to actually think beyond her knee-jerk talking points... she just can't bring herself to make the transition to logic and common-sense...
#230. To: sneakypete, mininggold (#205)
I'm not a Tea Bagger,but what is a "progressive" like you that wants a return to the 1920's in Russia doing making slurs against homosexuals?
#231. To: sneakypete, mininggold (#206)
mininggold: Histrionics aside, all pete has to do is post a definition of 'conservative'.
#232. To: Liberator (#230)
To the Gulag with you! After a proper stay in a mental hospital,of course.
#233. To: sneakypete (#207)
#234. To: mininggold (#232)
All you Tea Baggers were...blah-blah...hiccup....not one could prove my [kooky fairy tale] assertion was false or even post a differing definition.
#235. To: sneakypete, mininggold (#208)
(Edited)
In the Bizarro World she [mininggold] lives in,only people who claim to be conservative lie.
#236. To: sneakypete, war (#209)
Keep in mind that the person hurling that invective is a regular poster at LP...
#237. To: sneakypete, war (#216)
ar: Did you just talk yourself into agreeing with me?
#238. To: war, sneakypete (#217)
#239. To: Liberator, sneakypete, Moderator X, A K A Stone (#230)
HEH! I count Pete +4.
#240. To: buckeroo (#239)
Don't get sexual on these political forums or I shall call Moderator X to thwart you in publick. This is a publick warning and is the last warning.
#241. To: Liberator, Moderator X (#240)
#242. To: Liberator (#236)
Yeeeeees. That's right. And as I recall, war was a pretty generous financial supporter as well. Don't know how he met his untimely demise there, but I guess since he's been jettisoned, LP has obviously lost its luster.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#243. To: war (#242)
The only normal poster over there is TooConservative.
#244. To: lucysmom (#243)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#245. To: war (#244)
He posted articles more than he commented, IIRC...
#246. To: lucysmom (#245)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#247. To: sneakypete (#33)
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