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Title: Proving the GOP conservatives are suckers: The Rich are really job destroyers not "job creators". As the rich got richer, they eliminated jobs.
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Published: Sep 23, 2011
Author: Will Femia
Post Date: 2011-09-26 11:43:41 by Godwinson
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Views: 86865
Comments: 129
The chart above showing the relationship between the Koch brothers' net worth and the number of people they employ. And so we see that the net wealth of the Koch brothers has grown, but that wealth has not trickled down in the form of job creation at their company. In fact, the Koch brothers have been JOB DELETERS in favor of padding their bank accounts. I bet if I found the data it would show salaries of their remaining employees have also been reduced. The ExxonMobil chart above also shows the lack of correlation between rising income and "job creation". How long will you GOP/conservative/libertarian suckers keep arguing that the rich should be left alone because they are "job creators"? 
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#90. To: Capitalist Eric (#87)
Sometimes people go into business for themselves because they are caustic and can't get along with others.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Which means precisely dick, even if it IS true. Ahh, yes, that SOCIALIST attitude.... that people who WORK hard, are TENACIOUS and SMART enough to make a profit, must have somehow won "the lottery of life," right? In other words, the politics of ENVY, which is so popular among... LOSERS.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Were that the case, one could get laid off from their job, and simply collect welfare/unemployment/(fill in your favorite government parasite program here), and be perfectly content, while taking NO risk whatsoever. I know a few people like that, though I confess I do not understand how they can be so content while doing and accomplishing nothing... People go into business to MAKE MONEY. They're willing to take the risk of uncertainty by, instead of depending on others to give them a "living wage," they realize that they can make MORE money, and have MORE choices, by investing in themselves! "Fortes fortuna adiuvat" Sadly, your choice to be a coward- and as a result, a loser- precludes you from ever fully appreciating this.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 So why would they need to hire anybody? How many people have you hired?
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
I don't pay attention to her, to be honest. She's never impressed me. I find it telling she dyes her white blond hair black.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
We are one of the largest exporters in the world.
How many people of the rich and corporations with their record profits hired? The rich and the mega corporations are job deleters even when they are flush with cash. Why are you Koch suckers still calling the richers "job creators"?
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
This is how it works. You hire people when you need them. If you can make money without hiring people, you don't. What is supposed to be so hard for you to understand about that?
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
Little Germany exports more than we do. Our trade deficit is the largest in the world.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
I would as well. Which provision of the RICO act would you charge them under?
So the richers are not job creators as the GOP lie campaign states. I just made you disprove the GOP talking point you were trying to defend.
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
The people on welfare are the job creators. When they buy stuff the stimulate the economy. ;(
you find the dumbest things telling, lol. It doesn't tell anything, twit
------------------------------------- gobsheit: How many people of the rich and corporations with their record profits hired? The rich and the mega corporations... blah blah blah........ Translation: NONE. Announcer: Thanks for playing, gobsheit! Johnny, what do we have for the empty-headed socialist? DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 We now have 6 employees. We've doubled in size the last year.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Well, wait a minute here...it tells he's a twit...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
In mathematics, zero is greater than negative. Since the richers fired people rather than hired people I am ahead of the curve.
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
after they were fired by the richers......
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
Again, you define and divide human beings so broadly as to be useless. Sadly, your choice to be a coward- and as a result, a loser- precludes you from ever fully appreciating this. If you say so.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Rule of Disinformation #13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards with an apparent deductive logic in a way that forbears any actual material fact. Straight out of Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals," "Accuse others of what you do." Really, you'll have to do much better, if you want to keep up.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 You are the one avoiding the FACT that the ones the GOP/conservatives call "JOB CREATORS" aka "RICHERS" actually are JOB ELIMINATORS and are so even as they make record profits.
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
WOW... ((((raised eyebrows)))) That's gotta' be the most convoluted sentence I've seen, in quite some time. You seem to think the situation we're in revolves around politicians and businessmen with an "R" as their political identity, versus those with a "D" to represent their political views. And it ain't about R vs. D. It's about corporatist socialism (what we have had since ~JFK), versus socialism (a la the USSR) that YOU want, versus capitalism (what I want). If they're CROOKS, they need to be hanging out the end of a rope. It doesn't matter to me if they call themselves an "R" or a "D", they're STILL CROOKS! You keep falling for the same old "us versus them" game. And so they keep playing you. GROW UP! George W. Bush (Herr Dumbass) was bad. Bush-I was bad. Clinton was bad. oBUMa is REALLY bad! When did you think someone could Jimmy Carter look competent? Let's see... Six elections, and we keep getting the same old shit, steadily plodding towards the police-state...? You see a trend, yet? We're moving toward a level of corporatist fascism that Mussolini would have turned green with envy, over! With a lot of leftist bloggers calling oBUMa Bush-III, do you STILL believe there's a difference between the parties? DO YOU? DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 If they're CROOKS, they need to be hanging out the end of a rope. It doesn't matter to me if they call themselves an "R" or a "D", they're STILL CROOKS! You keep falling for the same old "us versus them" game. And so they keep playing you. Excellent. Easy equation that all party partisans refuse to deal with. That said, anti-America Destro is hopelessly and eternally lost in space. Write him/her/it off as incapable of logic.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Excellent. Easy equation that all party partisans refuse to deal with. Listen, you 2 loons, you make up your own definitions about economic system by pulling them out of your asses. Since I am not a loon, I have no idea why you would be against the economic climate under the JFK era and want to return to an era of robber barons pre Teddy Roosevelt or FDR's era. It was before my time, but JFK's America was not so bad a place to be. Neither was Eisenhower's America with the 90% tax brackets. I don't know what kind of logic you two loons are using and maybe you two loons are the ones lost in space and not your nemesis "Destro". Meanwhile, the rich you defend got richer and did not trickle down any wealth at all. The rich are turning out to be parasite who create no wealth for society and serve no purpose since they are not investing in any growth. The wealthy in America - the ones the GOP defend as "job creators" are anything but. They are in fact more like feudal era overlords. In fact, with only 2% of Americans owning 98% of the wealth - that is America reverting to a serf like feudal wealth divisions of class not seen in America since the pre Civil War slave owning aristocracy.
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
You keep falling for the same old "us versus them" game. And so they keep playing you. This is exactly right. The political establishment of both parties have essentially given us a corporatist economic system, dominated by politically connected companies on Wall Street. Goldman Sacs ran the Clinton administration. The lunatic left thinks that this is the free market and calls for even more government. Capitalism gets blamed for the failures of big government, so of course the answer is even more government. It's a vicious circle that needs to be broken.
Such is your opinion, based on a clear lack of insight into the subject we commonly refer to as "economics." "Fat, drunk and stupid, is no way to go through life, son." --Dean Wormer, "Animal House" Ahh, going right back to your "politics of envy" talking-points, eh? Really, I'm shocked- SHOCKED- to see that... < /sarc >
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Do you actually believe 0bama's torching the US economy, favoring foreign interest over domestic, and shaking down and sabotaging businesses is how JFK conducted things? JFK was a C-A-P-I-T-A-L-I-S-T. What frickin' planet are you on? Can you or ANY of your ilk point to ANY business-friendly legislation or policies of 0bama that have benefited US business or encouraged it to grow? Take all the time you need. JFK's America was not so bad a place to be. Neither was Eisenhower's America with the 90% tax brackets. This is true....BUT... This was a half century ago...before the Socialist-Plantation Economy, Parasites-R-US, the Third World Invasion, the NWO-globalists strangling the US economy, and a UN manipulating the world's trade and money supplies and taxing the West.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Uranus?
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 This is true....BUT... Goober is an blithering idiot. Half the world was destroyed by WWII. The other half descended into communist tyrannies. So, in the 1950s and early 1960s, America produced over half of the world's output with less than 5% of the world's population, because we didn't have any competition from anyone. But it was also a time of relative economic stagnation, with little innovation, compared to the first two decades and last two decades of the 20th century. Any innovation that did occur was done by huge corporate behemoths who could afford armies of tax attorneys to escape the punitive tax rates on everyone else. Did people routinely quit their jobs in the 1950s to create growth-oriented start ups like they did in the 1900s, 1910s, 1980s and 1990s? No. It was unheard of the in 1950s. Goober is moron who understand squat about economics or history. I fact, I haven't seen any evidence that he knows squat about anything at all. If everyone stops talking to him and maybe he will go away.
IF I had to guess....;-)
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
But it was also a time of relative economic stagnation, with little innovation, compared to the first two decades and last two decades of the 20th century. Any innovation that did occur was done by huge corporate behemoths who could afford armies of tax attorneys to escape the punitive tax rates on everyone else. Did people routinely quit their jobs in the 1950s to create growth-oriented start ups like they did in the 1900s, 1910s, 1980s and 1990s? No. It was unheard of the in 1950s. Several excellent observations and points. After WWII, the globalist elites and HUGE corporations strangled creativity and shook down/sabotaged independent garage inventors. Big Goob helped them of course as well as ushering in socialism and unleashing a plethora fedgoob regs and agencies. It was also the beginning of the end of Mom and Pop enterprises.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Show me the numbers to prove your thesis, bitch. The number of Americans who experienced upward mobility since the 1970s has DECLINED since the 60s not expanded. Govt investment in education that Ike and JFK initiated created the modern computer era (which was a 100% govt funded innovation).
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
Wasn't he gay and liberal?
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Why aren't you out there putting your ass on the line with the occupy Wall Street people? Capitalism gets blamed for the failures of big government, so of course the answer is even more government. It is the capitalists who blame their failure on government, not the other way around.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
jw's a hoot, isn't he? "Has Goldman Sachs Taken Over the Bush Administration?" http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0820-06.htm
Sign from Occupy Wall Street.
"Money is like manure: Spread around, it helps things grow. Piled up in one place, it just stinks." If you ask over half the posters here, this guy is a leech who would do us all a big favor by killing himself.
Great sign!
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Why does a person go into business for themself? What's the point?
#91. To: lucysmom (#89)
The creative force behind Koch Industries was the dad who also did a lot of business with the Soviets.
The smartest business move made by the Koch brothers was choosing their birth parents.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff? 
#92. To: lucysmom (#90)
Sometimes people go into business for themselves because they are caustic and can't get along with others.
"Fortune favors the bold."
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#93. To: Godwinson (#85)
#94. To: jwpegler (#86)
#95. To: lucysmom (#88)
#96. To: no gnu taxes (#93)
#97. To: Capitalist Eric (#92)
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
#98. To: Godwinson (#96)
#99. To: A K A Stone (#95)
We are one of the largest exporters in the world.
#100. To: Godwinson, mininggold (#82)
I would charge the various parties under the RICO Act.
#101. To: no gnu taxes (#98)
You hire people when you need them. If you can make money without hiring people, you don't.
#102. To: Godwinson (#101)
#103. To: Badeye (#94)
I find it telling she dyes her white blond hair black.
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#104. To: Godwinson, no gnu taxes (#96)
no gnu taxes: How many people have you hired?
Johnny: A BOOT to the head! And one more for Jennie and the wimp!
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#105. To: Capitalist Eric (#104)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#106. To: Biff Tannen (#103)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#107. To: Capitalist Eric, no gnu taxes, war (#104)
(Edited)
Translation: NONE.
#108. To: A K A Stone (#102)
The people on welfare....
#109. To: Capitalist Eric (#92)
Were that the case, one could get laid off from their job, and simply collect welfare/unemployment/(fill in your favorite government parasite program here), and be perfectly content, while taking NO risk whatsoever.
#110. To: Godwinson (#107)
In mathematics, zero is greater than negative. Since the richers fired people rather than hired people I am ahead of the curve.
Rule of Disinformation #15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. Loonymom: Again, you define and divide human beings so broadly as to be useless.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#111. To: Capitalist Eric (#110)
(Edited)
#112. To: Godwinson (#111)
You are the one avoiding the FACT that the ones the GOP/conservatives call "JOB CREATORS" aka "RICHERS" actually are JOB ELIMINATORS and are so even as they make record profits.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#113. To: Capitalist Eric, Godwinson (#112)
And it ain't about R vs. D. It's about corporatist socialism (what we have had since ~JFK), versus socialism (a la the USSR) that YOU want, versus capitalism (what I want).
#114. To: Capitalist Eric, Liberator, lucysmom (#113)
(Edited)
And it ain't about R vs. D. It's about corporatist socialism (what we have had since ~JFK), versus socialism (a la the USSR) that YOU want, versus capitalism (what I want).
#115. To: Capitalist Eric (#112)
And it ain't about R vs. D. It's about corporatist socialism (what we have had since ~JFK), versus socialism (a la the USSR) that YOU want, versus capitalism (what I want). If they're CROOKS, they need to be hanging out the end of a rope. It doesn't matter to me if they call themselves an "R" or a "D", they're STILL CROOKS!
That government is best which governs not at all -- Henry David Thoreau
#116. To: Godwinson (#114)
you make up your own definitions about economic system by pulling them out of your asses.
It was before my time... I don't know what kind of logic... lost in space...
Meanwhile, the rich you defend got richer and did not trickle down any wealth at all.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#117. To: Godwinson (#114)
I have no idea why you would be against the economic climate under the JFK era...
#118. To: Liberator (#117)
What frickin' planet are you on?
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#119. To: Liberator (#117)
(Edited)
JFK's America was not so bad a place to be. Neither was Eisenhower's America with the 90% tax brackets.
That government is best which governs not at all -- Henry David Thoreau
#120. To: Capitalist Eric (#118)
Uranus?
#121. To: jwpegler (#119)
Half the world was destroyed by WWII. The other half descended into communist tyrannies. So, in the 1950s and early 1960s, America produced over half of the world's output with less than 5% of the world's population, because we didn't have any competition from anyone.
#122. To: Liberator, jwpegler (#121)
Did people routinely quit their jobs in the 1950s to create growth-oriented start ups like they did in the 1900s, 1910s, 1980s and 1990s? No. It was unheard of the in 1950s.
#123. To: jwpegler (#119)
That government is best which governs not at all -- Henry David Thoreau
#124. To: jwpegler (#115)
The political establishment of both parties have essentially given us a corporatist economic system, dominated by politically connected companies on Wall Street. Goldman Sacs ran the Clinton administration.
#125. To: lucysmom (#124)
Goldman Sacs ran the Clinton administration.
#126. To: lucysmom (#124)
#127. To: Skip Intro (#125)
#128. To: Ferret Mike (#127)
#129. To: Ferret Mike (#126)
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