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Title: Proving the GOP conservatives are suckers: The Rich are really job destroyers not "job creators". As the rich got richer, they eliminated jobs.
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Published: Sep 23, 2011
Author: Will Femia
Post Date: 2011-09-26 11:43:41 by Godwinson
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Comments: 129
The chart above showing the relationship between the Koch brothers' net worth and the number of people they employ. And so we see that the net wealth of the Koch brothers has grown, but that wealth has not trickled down in the form of job creation at their company. In fact, the Koch brothers have been JOB DELETERS in favor of padding their bank accounts. I bet if I found the data it would show salaries of their remaining employees have also been reduced. The ExxonMobil chart above also shows the lack of correlation between rising income and "job creation". How long will you GOP/conservative/libertarian suckers keep arguing that the rich should be left alone because they are "job creators"? 
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#1. To: Godwinson (#0)
How do you propose "correcting" this? Don't you think people should work for what they earn?
First, you right wing suckers need to stop being liars and claim that less (or zero) taxes on the rich or allowing the rich (persons or corporations) to do what they want will "create jobs". That is a lie. Because you lie and call the rich "job creators" means you know that your ideology is a scam and you need to use Orwellian words to lie to the people. Be honest. Secondly, if I could correct it I would follow the thesis outlined in this post: The Rich lied to America. We want our jobs and money back. Lastly, the notion that the "rich" did it all on their own and should keep all their rewards is a fiction because they are not islands. If a man opens up a lemonade stand on the street and makes money off of that he did so on streets the community paid to create, to police, to keep clean and to allow an atmosphere that will allow such an enterprise to take place and be successful. Let the lemonade entrepreneur reap his reward, but he owes society a compensation for creating the conditions for his wealth to accumulate.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
The rich do create jobs. People with less means like me can create jobs too. I've created my own job and a job for a few others. I don't think the rich are the only job creators. I didn't read your link. It sounds to long to focus on right now. Why shouldn't the rich or anyone else be able to do "what they want" assuming they aren't going to kill someone or harm someone. Does this mean you think that only the poor should be allowed to do what they want and say "have an abortion"?
The so called wealthy also eliminate jobs. The rich or corporations are not in the job creation business but in the personal wealth creation business. If a rich person can get money from eliminating jobs and squeezing down the income from the remaining terrified employees (who just saw others lose their jobs so they don't complain and rationalize why they get less income and job security than their parents did) they he will do so. What you right wing suckers do is create a falsehood that the rich are what makes the world go round rather than the demand and supply cycle. Why are you liars? And the link is to a short thesis by Destro that even a stupid know nothing like yourself can read and understand.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
I posted it just so you can read it without linking: The Rich lied to America. We want our jobs and money back. Back in the 90s the free-trade/globalization movement that had begun in earnest a decade earlier took full shape. At the time we had a Democratic President in Clinton who along with some Democrats from his party and most Republicans passed NAFTA and a host of other free trade / open border globalization economic policies. The American people were told that if they supported globalization even if it led to outsourcing, the next phase in the economy would be one long boom because manufacturing was a dead end and part of the old economy. The new jobs would be the service industry in an office and or maybe people would get to work from home, etc. Enough people bought into this economic ideology that in the 1990s the switch over began in earnest (long planned but carried out under Clinton). Now we have had 20 years of this economic philosophy and the experiment has failed for most Americans. The American people have every right to ask for their money back from the he top 1% to 2% of the population that lied to them about the benefits of this new economy. If a new model automobile performed as poorly as the globalized economy did it would have been recalled already. Why are you still carrying water for the top 1% to 2% who got there because the vast majority made their money from outsourcing production and selling it back to the American people at no discount? The vast difference in low production cost versus the sales price to Americans was pocketed by the top 1%. That is how the wealth transfer worked in earnest. Do you see much a difference in the retail cost of a product made overseas compared to the cost of a MADE IN THE USA brand (if you can still find such a thing)? These obscene profits resulting from the difference in low production costs came at the expense of an American manufacturing job with a decent wage. Americans were willing to see their manufacturing base be reduced if it meant cost savings in retail outlets (it did not) and if new jobs paying comparable manufacturing sector wages appeared in service sectors to replace lost these outsourced manufacturing jobs (also did not happen). The reality is we lost jobs, many to never return and wages earned have shrunk for the Middle Class while the work load has increased. As I see it, at this point freedom of action to correct the failed globalized American economy is limited to two avenues for the American people. One is to undo all those free trade treaties signed in the last 20 years. It can be done but it would be difficult and lead to possible trade wars. In the short term it would be devastating to the economy if that was the case. A more readily available solution is to take back the wealth from the top 2% of the population that made their fortunes in the last 2 decades in large part due to outsourcing and return (not transfer but RETURN) that money back to the rest of the population in the forms of government services like universal health care and investment in the nation's future (NASA, infrastructure, education). The promises made by the top 2% via politicians and experts failed to materialize as promised. It is only fair that the rest of the 98% of the population who suffered from this failure are compensated back. Standing in our way are most Republicans and some Democrats (that seems to be the ratio) who still carry water for the oligarchs that stole our fortunes away. How long will this go on before we correct their error?
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
I was with Pat Buchanan and Ross Perot on that issue.
It doesn't matter. You are a Koch sucker these days.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Nah. I still support repealing NAFTA, GATT and all those globalist bullshit laws.
But you are for allowing the wealthy to keep all their profits from that era? You sucker.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
I'm always surprised at the short memory spans or rank ignorance of recent history on this forum, such as the era of corporate raiding or hostile takeovers, and subsequent liquidation or sell off of the assets of huge companies which was prevalent during the Reagan administration. All to increase the price of stock holdings.
How would you come up with a way to take their profits back? That is a dumb idea. You can't just take something away from someone because you covet what they have. Go get a job.
How many new jobs has Rush Limbaugh created since the Bush tax cuts? I only ask because he's a huge proponent of the richer=more jobs argument.
He has created more then you I would say. He now has a tea line. So there are how many ever that employs. Then there is the delivery drivers for the postal service. I would bet he employs at least 100 people.
Remember PALCO? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Lumber_Company
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
How many?
For one, you make them either keep the profits here in this country or else you put the CEOs in jail.
You sound more and more like a nazi. How about we just repeal it and go to huge tariffs on foreign goods. That sounds like a better idea to me. What are you and your thugs going to look at everyone's bank account and tell them where to put their money. What about the fourth amendment. You don't care about that do you?
You only quoted part of what I said. Do you think you have created more jobs?
How about we just repeal it and go to huge tariffs on foreign goods. That sounds like a better idea to me. What are you and your thugs going to look at everyone's bank account and tell them where to put their money. What about the fourth amendment. You don't care about that do you? Why are you afraid to put rich thieves in jail?
Do you think you have created more jobs? Putting posters into a pissing match with Rush hardly makes your case.
Rich thieves should be put in jail. But someone hiring someone from another nation to work is not a thief. Obama is a thief. Should he be put in jail?
Pissing match? He asked the question. You should pay attention to what was said before before opening your mouth and removing the little doubt some people may still have about you.
I didn't benefit from the millionaire tax cut.
Obama is a thief. Should he be put in jail? I would start with oldest living president and go from there.
The millionaires may have got their taxes cut. But so did everyone else. And they still pay a higher percentage despite what the douche bag who calls himself president says.
You didn't deny he is a thief. Thanks for the unintentional honesty.
May? There's no question about it.
Do you question that you got your taxes cut? Do you care that there are millions of deadbeats collecting government goodies that are perfectly capable of working?
Is that the commandment that made you reject God?
Think of it this way, many more would be horning in on your painting gig and you would have to lower your prices.
Let's say my taxes got cut by $1000. At $33,000,000 Limbaugh's taxes got cut by around $1,650,000.
I charge more then about anyone. That is because I offer unmatched quality. We do more then paint. We do it all. Except carpet. I never wanted to bust my knees out.
Why are you taking the day off?
Lets say you got your taxes cut by 1000. So you must have paid a few thousand in taxes. I don't know that your numbers for Limbaugh are correct. But he paid millions in taxes. Do you understand percents. Or do you think you should have got a millin dollar tax decrease?
It was pouring buckets of rain out there today. Literal buckets. It just stopped and is still way to wet to work on current job. I'm doing estimates and looking at stuff today. Is that ok nosy butt?
And he probably just started another losing business to cover the tax increase.
Stone claims he was against NAFTA and GATT yet won't do anything about taxing the wealth those destructive trade laws created. I would take profits back via the constitutional tax code and the power of the IRS. NAFTA/GATT was supposed to lower prices and create more jobs. It did nothing of the sort. Since the USA can't eliminate the the trade agreement without a trade war (especially since Americans pushed for these agreements) then the American people can correct the problem by taxing back the wealth earned by such agreements.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
lol. So you actually want NAFTA to continue. Poser.
Why didn't the Kochs or Exxon create more jobs as their profits rose by billions?
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
I've never tried his tea? Have you? Is it yucky?
Because they wanted to keep the money they earned I guess. Maybe they don't need anymore help. It is not mine or anyone else's job to make sure that X person has a job. It is an individual responsibility to get your own job.
I know you are a moron, I said why I think realistically NAFTA can't be overturned. It is like getting a tattoo - yea it can be removed but its painfully difficult to do so and would cost a trade war. Taxing the NAFTA profits, past and present would correct the imbalance. We had 20 years of this economic ideology - 30+ if you add in Reaganomics and it has failed. Low taxes does not fix anything. Rich people / corporations getting richer did not lead to more permanent jobs nor increases in salaries. It is an ideological failure.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Godwinson says he is against NAFTA GATT Etc. But he says we can't repeal them because our trading partners might get upset.
Because they wanted to keep the money they earned I guess. Maybe they don't need anymore help. It is not mine or anyone else's job to make sure that X person has a job. It is an individual responsibility to get your own job. So the rich are not "job creators" then are they?
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
It is not like getting a tattoo. Congress votes to change the law all the time.
I agree, they probably spent many millions on lobbyists and bribes getting those agreements in place, so it should be all gravy from here on out.
Let the record show that Godwinson is NOT!! for repealing NAFTA. It is a matter of the public record now Godwinson.
Agreements are not simple laws, they are very hard to change.
Destro said so, and I agreed with his logic that the less painful and easier to carry out corrective action is to tax the wealth back. Also, even if NAFTA was repealed Destro would still tax the wealth gained from that period until today at 90% (I assume Eisenhower era levels). So either way, the rich -aka job destroyers - would get the IRS swarming on them like locusts.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Speculation.
Oh no, you used the "R" word (responsibility) you need to wash out your keyboard with soap!!!!!
"CHANGE" you can step in..... I guess you would like higher oil prices.
Agreements are not simple laws, they are very hard to change. There is also the blow back that canceling a trade agreement would create - especially since it was the Americans who crammed it down other nation's throats to begin with.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
That would be the dumb ass you support. Here take a look see.
I'm for repealing it. You are not. You want NAFTA to continue. Poser.
The rich should be responsible for selling an economic system that failed. Just like automobile companies are responsible for recalls for a failure, the rich and corporations are RESPONSIBLE for the economic failure of the American low tax and free trade system that has not created more jobs and has not increased incomes over the last 30 years.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
I am for repealing NAFTA. What part of supporting 2 scenarios don't you get?
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
The blow back would be the jobs coming back. We need to repeal NAFTA and replace it with tariffs on foreign goods. The tariff should make foreign goods more expensive then American goods by about 10 percent. If they pay their workers a dollar a day. The tariff should be enough to take that into account plus 10 percent. You don't like Americans having jobs. You are already on record want America to crash and burn.
Everything said here today is basically speculation. But no agreement passes without support and those that have made the most profit have supported their creation and positioned themselves from the start. And you can take that to the bank.
Your post 42 and 49 say otherwise. Did you have a change of heart in the last 5 minutes?
I cannot take that to the bank. They only take money. Not words printed off an obscure political forum.
As I see it, at this point freedom of action to correct the failed globalized American economy is limited to two avenues for the American people. One is to undo all those free trade treaties signed in the last 20 years. It can be done but it would be difficult and lead to possible trade wars. In the short term it would be devastating to the economy if that was the case. A more readily available solution is to take back the wealth from the top 2% of the population that made their fortunes in the last 2 decades in large part due to outsourcing and return (not transfer but RETURN) that money back to the rest of the population in the forms of government services like universal health care and investment in the nation's future (NASA, infrastructure, education). The promises made by the top 2% via politicians and experts failed to materialize as promised. It is only fair that the rest of the 98% of the population who suffered from this failure are compensated back. Standing in our way are most Republicans and some Democrats (that seems to be the ratio) who still carry water for the oligarchs that stole our fortunes away. How long will this go on before we correct their error? RECALL. The law is to be recalled. The Profits of the rich from the last 30 years is to be REFUNDED. I Call for a REFUND to the money clearly taken form the 98% of the population and transferred to the top 2% based on the top 2% supporting an economic system Regaonmics+ Free trade that did not perform as promised. The economic right wing ideology is RECALLED by the people and the money hereby REFUNDED back to them.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
You haven't got a raise in 30 years? Must suck to be you.
No it isn't. Wake up you are dreaming.
Too bad Rush wasn't for that in the least. He lost about half his radio listenership during his pro NAFTA era, but they too evidently have short memory spans.
It sucks for most Americans, you Koch sucker.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
I agree with you. Rush would have been a good ally back then and maybe it could have been defeated. I listen to Rush. He is entertaining. He digs up good dirt on the democrats. I pretty much stopped listening to him during the Bush years. He was to much of a cheerleader for Bush and his illegal war. So I kind of like Rush on some issues and strongly disagree with him on some others. Like I said he is still fun to listen to though. Lately though I have just had my sandisk filled with lots of hard rock on random play hooked up to my Dewalt radio. No commercials just good rock n roll music.
Using Koch as a boogeyman is a wasted task. I don't even know what the guy looks like. Most Americans probably 80 percent have never heard of him. People don't pay to much attention like you and I do.
It doesn't hurt to educate Americans to where the money originates in some of these 'grassroots' movements.
The trouble with globalization is that we have nothing to trade.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Oh really? Come on.
Hey mininggold. Have a good day. We do have a little bit of agreement on this globalization stuff.
Hmmm... THIS is the quality of articles you post...? With such a title, I would have expected something with.... oh, I don't know, maybe some SUBSTANCE? They're successful businessmen (whoever they are)... GOOD for them! That's something to be ADMIRED, you socialist idiot, not attacked. ....Unless, of course, you're such a loser that you'll never do anything except complain that people who are more willing to work and are smarter than you, make more money than you... BTW, you already get the wealth you deserve- in the form of a wage or salary... Hmmm... if we take this statement at face-value (I'm being generous), this means they've become more efficient... which in turn will result in lower prices to their consumers. And this is bad because WHY? Oh, that's right... it's bad because you're such a loser that you'll never do anything, so you just complain that people who are more willing to work and are smarter than you, make more money than you... Face it, gobsheit. You're a leftist loser. 'Nuff said.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Then they should be hiring MORE people because they are making more profit selling at a cheaper price. So these richers are NOT job creators AT ALL. you can't call them job creators then claim eliminating jobs is a good thing, you loon.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Me either. How could I? How much do you think he saved yearly from the Bush tax cuts?
Limbaugh sells tea. I doubt that he went out and built a new factory and hired employees for it. Most likely he subbed it out - to Snapple, maybe? - and they produce it for him. Curiously, Snapple is in Irving Tx, which is between Fort Worth and Dallas, the location Limbaugh says his tea is produced. In any event any new people hired for his project would be minimal.
There must be a vast worldwide demand for a new brand of tea. Or else he, like the gold sellers, realize what a dupe the average Tea Bagger is.
I would charge the various parties under the RICO Act.
There's a demand by suckers for an overpriced bottle of tea. It is cheaper than overpriced gold commemorative coins, after all. Remember his hideous ties from the 1990s? Funny how he was able to start that business without his millionaire's tax cut. I remember seeing them on sale at a Long's drug store in Walnut Creek. They were priced at $2.99 or something near that and they sat there for months.
Remember his hideous ties from the 1990s? Funny how he was able to start that business without his millionaire's tax cut. Supposedly those ties were marketed by 'the lovely and gracious Marta' a few wives back.
If goober invested the same amount of energy in self-improvement that he invests in his envy, he would be on the other side the equation.
I would as well. We had an economic ideology - it was sold to the American people with certain sets of assumptions and it has not performed as described. If a car is sold as meeting certain performance guarantees and fails to live up to those then it is recalled. A K A Stone is shilling for an economic ideology THAT FAILED. Those liars that A K A Stone is shilling for promised MORE jobs and MORE prosperity for all if we only lowered taxes and deregulated and opened our borders. NONE OF THAT HAPPENED. So why are Stone and his ilk still shilling for this failed ideology? Remember, if failed not because some got richer but because no one below the top 2% of the population (that's 98% of America, folks) also saw an increase in prosperity and leisure (Americans work longer for less pay/benefits than any time in our modern history). The fact that Stone panic posted on here trying shill his way away from the fact that the rich are job deleters not job creators the wealthier they get proves this.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
And this tea thing was supposedly thought up by wife #4 on their honeymoon night.
You are stupid as is this article and the carpet muncher Maddow. So because the Koch's made money in the Obama Depression and didn't hire a lot more people (as would any smart company would do when the Kenyan is trying to screw them), this is supposed to prove the rich are job destroyers? How many people did you hire this past year?
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
The rich Kochs made $8 billion dollars between 2007 and 2008 under Bush and added on NO NEW employees. Between 2008 and 2011 the Kochs made $12 billion dollars MORE in the Obama era over what they made in Bush's last year in office and those richers DELETED/FIRED/SHED 13,000 employees. The rich Kochs, still paying Bush level tax cuts, etc did not hire more workers as they made more money but fired them. Hence you Koch suckers can't claim the rich are JOB CREATORS without being called for your Orwellian BullShit.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Have you ever seen the Maddow commercial where she is standing in front of the Hoover Damn pissing and moaning about how America won't build damns anymore? Why won't America build damns anymore? Because Maddow's buddies on the lunatic left have shut down building damns to protect the little fishes. Not only have they shut down building new damns, they are actively destroying existing damns in the Pacific Northwest. These lying sacks of shit have no shame. They need to be eradicated from having any influence whatsoever in pubic policy.
gobsheit: Then they should be hiring MORE people because they are making more profit selling at a cheaper price. Why does a person go into business for themself? What's the point? Do you think it's because of security? Yes or no? If a person loses their security by going into business for themself, then what could POSSIBLY be their motive? Isn't there more RISK? And if they take higher risks than YOU would by simply showing up to collect a paycheck, would it not be FAIR to make more money, bigger PROFITS, than you? Is it the purpose of a company to take all the risks, and give away all the rewards for the money invested, by giving it someone who has NO risk of loss at stake? Again, what is the REASON for starting a business???
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Really.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
The creative force behind Koch Industries was the dad who also did a lot of business with the Soviets. The smartest business move made by the Koch brothers was choosing their birth parents.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Sometimes people go into business for themselves because they are caustic and can't get along with others.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Which means precisely dick, even if it IS true. Ahh, yes, that SOCIALIST attitude.... that people who WORK hard, are TENACIOUS and SMART enough to make a profit, must have somehow won "the lottery of life," right? In other words, the politics of ENVY, which is so popular among... LOSERS.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Were that the case, one could get laid off from their job, and simply collect welfare/unemployment/(fill in your favorite government parasite program here), and be perfectly content, while taking NO risk whatsoever. I know a few people like that, though I confess I do not understand how they can be so content while doing and accomplishing nothing... People go into business to MAKE MONEY. They're willing to take the risk of uncertainty by, instead of depending on others to give them a "living wage," they realize that they can make MORE money, and have MORE choices, by investing in themselves! "Fortes fortuna adiuvat" Sadly, your choice to be a coward- and as a result, a loser- precludes you from ever fully appreciating this.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 So why would they need to hire anybody? How many people have you hired?
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
I don't pay attention to her, to be honest. She's never impressed me. I find it telling she dyes her white blond hair black.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
We are one of the largest exporters in the world.
How many people of the rich and corporations with their record profits hired? The rich and the mega corporations are job deleters even when they are flush with cash. Why are you Koch suckers still calling the richers "job creators"?
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
This is how it works. You hire people when you need them. If you can make money without hiring people, you don't. What is supposed to be so hard for you to understand about that?
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
Little Germany exports more than we do. Our trade deficit is the largest in the world.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
I would as well. Which provision of the RICO act would you charge them under?
So the richers are not job creators as the GOP lie campaign states. I just made you disprove the GOP talking point you were trying to defend.
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
The people on welfare are the job creators. When they buy stuff the stimulate the economy. ;(
you find the dumbest things telling, lol. It doesn't tell anything, twit
------------------------------------- gobsheit: How many people of the rich and corporations with their record profits hired? The rich and the mega corporations... blah blah blah........ Translation: NONE. Announcer: Thanks for playing, gobsheit! Johnny, what do we have for the empty-headed socialist? DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 We now have 6 employees. We've doubled in size the last year.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Well, wait a minute here...it tells he's a twit...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
In mathematics, zero is greater than negative. Since the richers fired people rather than hired people I am ahead of the curve.
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
after they were fired by the richers......
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
Again, you define and divide human beings so broadly as to be useless. Sadly, your choice to be a coward- and as a result, a loser- precludes you from ever fully appreciating this. If you say so.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Rule of Disinformation #13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards with an apparent deductive logic in a way that forbears any actual material fact. Straight out of Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals," "Accuse others of what you do." Really, you'll have to do much better, if you want to keep up.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 You are the one avoiding the FACT that the ones the GOP/conservatives call "JOB CREATORS" aka "RICHERS" actually are JOB ELIMINATORS and are so even as they make record profits.
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
WOW... ((((raised eyebrows)))) That's gotta' be the most convoluted sentence I've seen, in quite some time. You seem to think the situation we're in revolves around politicians and businessmen with an "R" as their political identity, versus those with a "D" to represent their political views. And it ain't about R vs. D. It's about corporatist socialism (what we have had since ~JFK), versus socialism (a la the USSR) that YOU want, versus capitalism (what I want). If they're CROOKS, they need to be hanging out the end of a rope. It doesn't matter to me if they call themselves an "R" or a "D", they're STILL CROOKS! You keep falling for the same old "us versus them" game. And so they keep playing you. GROW UP! George W. Bush (Herr Dumbass) was bad. Bush-I was bad. Clinton was bad. oBUMa is REALLY bad! When did you think someone could Jimmy Carter look competent? Let's see... Six elections, and we keep getting the same old shit, steadily plodding towards the police-state...? You see a trend, yet? We're moving toward a level of corporatist fascism that Mussolini would have turned green with envy, over! With a lot of leftist bloggers calling oBUMa Bush-III, do you STILL believe there's a difference between the parties? DO YOU? DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 If they're CROOKS, they need to be hanging out the end of a rope. It doesn't matter to me if they call themselves an "R" or a "D", they're STILL CROOKS! You keep falling for the same old "us versus them" game. And so they keep playing you. Excellent. Easy equation that all party partisans refuse to deal with. That said, anti-America Destro is hopelessly and eternally lost in space. Write him/her/it off as incapable of logic.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Excellent. Easy equation that all party partisans refuse to deal with. Listen, you 2 loons, you make up your own definitions about economic system by pulling them out of your asses. Since I am not a loon, I have no idea why you would be against the economic climate under the JFK era and want to return to an era of robber barons pre Teddy Roosevelt or FDR's era. It was before my time, but JFK's America was not so bad a place to be. Neither was Eisenhower's America with the 90% tax brackets. I don't know what kind of logic you two loons are using and maybe you two loons are the ones lost in space and not your nemesis "Destro". Meanwhile, the rich you defend got richer and did not trickle down any wealth at all. The rich are turning out to be parasite who create no wealth for society and serve no purpose since they are not investing in any growth. The wealthy in America - the ones the GOP defend as "job creators" are anything but. They are in fact more like feudal era overlords. In fact, with only 2% of Americans owning 98% of the wealth - that is America reverting to a serf like feudal wealth divisions of class not seen in America since the pre Civil War slave owning aristocracy.
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
You keep falling for the same old "us versus them" game. And so they keep playing you. This is exactly right. The political establishment of both parties have essentially given us a corporatist economic system, dominated by politically connected companies on Wall Street. Goldman Sacs ran the Clinton administration. The lunatic left thinks that this is the free market and calls for even more government. Capitalism gets blamed for the failures of big government, so of course the answer is even more government. It's a vicious circle that needs to be broken.
Such is your opinion, based on a clear lack of insight into the subject we commonly refer to as "economics." "Fat, drunk and stupid, is no way to go through life, son." --Dean Wormer, "Animal House" Ahh, going right back to your "politics of envy" talking-points, eh? Really, I'm shocked- SHOCKED- to see that... < /sarc >
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Do you actually believe 0bama's torching the US economy, favoring foreign interest over domestic, and shaking down and sabotaging businesses is how JFK conducted things? JFK was a C-A-P-I-T-A-L-I-S-T. What frickin' planet are you on? Can you or ANY of your ilk point to ANY business-friendly legislation or policies of 0bama that have benefited US business or encouraged it to grow? Take all the time you need. JFK's America was not so bad a place to be. Neither was Eisenhower's America with the 90% tax brackets. This is true....BUT... This was a half century ago...before the Socialist-Plantation Economy, Parasites-R-US, the Third World Invasion, the NWO-globalists strangling the US economy, and a UN manipulating the world's trade and money supplies and taxing the West.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Uranus?
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 This is true....BUT... Goober is an blithering idiot. Half the world was destroyed by WWII. The other half descended into communist tyrannies. So, in the 1950s and early 1960s, America produced over half of the world's output with less than 5% of the world's population, because we didn't have any competition from anyone. But it was also a time of relative economic stagnation, with little innovation, compared to the first two decades and last two decades of the 20th century. Any innovation that did occur was done by huge corporate behemoths who could afford armies of tax attorneys to escape the punitive tax rates on everyone else. Did people routinely quit their jobs in the 1950s to create growth-oriented start ups like they did in the 1900s, 1910s, 1980s and 1990s? No. It was unheard of the in 1950s. Goober is moron who understand squat about economics or history. I fact, I haven't seen any evidence that he knows squat about anything at all. If everyone stops talking to him and maybe he will go away.
IF I had to guess....;-)
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
But it was also a time of relative economic stagnation, with little innovation, compared to the first two decades and last two decades of the 20th century. Any innovation that did occur was done by huge corporate behemoths who could afford armies of tax attorneys to escape the punitive tax rates on everyone else. Did people routinely quit their jobs in the 1950s to create growth-oriented start ups like they did in the 1900s, 1910s, 1980s and 1990s? No. It was unheard of the in 1950s. Several excellent observations and points. After WWII, the globalist elites and HUGE corporations strangled creativity and shook down/sabotaged independent garage inventors. Big Goob helped them of course as well as ushering in socialism and unleashing a plethora fedgoob regs and agencies. It was also the beginning of the end of Mom and Pop enterprises.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Show me the numbers to prove your thesis, bitch. The number of Americans who experienced upward mobility since the 1970s has DECLINED since the 60s not expanded. Govt investment in education that Ike and JFK initiated created the modern computer era (which was a 100% govt funded innovation).
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
Wasn't he gay and liberal?
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Why aren't you out there putting your ass on the line with the occupy Wall Street people? Capitalism gets blamed for the failures of big government, so of course the answer is even more government. It is the capitalists who blame their failure on government, not the other way around.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
jw's a hoot, isn't he? "Has Goldman Sachs Taken Over the Bush Administration?" http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0820-06.htm
Sign from Occupy Wall Street.
"Money is like manure: Spread around, it helps things grow. Piled up in one place, it just stinks." If you ask over half the posters here, this guy is a leech who would do us all a big favor by killing himself.
Great sign!
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
#2. To: A K A Stone (#1)
(Edited)
#3. To: Godwinson (#2)
First, you right wing suckers need to stop being liars and claim that taxes on the rich or allowing the rich (persons or corporations) to do what they want will "create jobs". That is a lie. Because you lie and call the rich "job creators" means you know that your ideology is a scam and you need to use Orwellian words to lie to the people.
#4. To: A K A Stone (#3)
The rich do create jobs.
#5. To: A K A Stone (#3)
I didn't read your link. It sounds to long to focus on right now.
#6. To: Godwinson (#5)
Back in the 90s the free-trade/globalization movement that had begun in earnest a decade earlier took full shape. At the time we had a Democratic President in Clinton who along with some Democrats from his party and most Republicans passed NAFTA and a host of other free trade / open border globalization economic policies.
#7. To: A K A Stone (#6)
I was with Pat Buchanan and Ross Perot on that issue.
#8. To: Godwinson (#7)
#9. To: A K A Stone (#8)
Nah. I still support repealing NAFTA, GATT and all those globalist bullshit laws.
#10. To: Godwinson, A K A Stone (#4)
(Edited)
The so called wealthy also eliminate jobs. The rich or corporations are not in the job creation business but in the personal wealth creation business. If a rich person can get money from eliminating jobs and squeezing down the income from the remaining terrified employees (who just saw others lose their jobs so they don't complain and rationalize why they get less income and job security than their parents did) they he will do so.
#11. To: Godwinson (#9)
But you are for allowing the wealthy to keep all their profits from that era? You sucker.
#12. To: Godwinson (#0)
#13. To: Skip Intro (#12)
#14. To: mininggold (#10)
I'm always surprised at the short memory spans or rank ignorance of recent history on this forum, such as the era of corporate raiding or hostile takeovers, and subsequent liquidation or sell off of the assets of huge companies which was prevalent during the Reagan administration.
#15. To: A K A Stone (#13)
He has created more then you I would say.
#16. To: A K A Stone (#11)
How would you come up with a way to take their profits back? That is a dumb idea. You can't just take something away from someone because you covet what they have.
#17. To: mininggold (#16)
#18. To: Skip Intro (#15)
#19. To: A K A Stone (#17)
You sound more and more like a nazi.
#20. To: A K A Stone (#18)
You only quoted part of what I said.
#21. To: mininggold (#19)
#22. To: mininggold (#20)
#23. To: A K A Stone (#18)
Do you think you have created more jobs?
#24. To: A K A Stone (#21)
#25. To: Skip Intro (#23)
#26. To: mininggold (#24)
#27. To: A K A Stone (#25)
The millionaires may have got their taxes cut.
#28. To: Skip Intro (#27)
#29. To: Skip Intro, mininggold (#27)
The TENTH Commandment - THOU SHALT NOT COVET
#30. To: A K A Stone (#28)
Do you care that there are millions of deadbeats collecting government goodies that are perfectly capable of working?
#31. To: A K A Stone (#28)
Do you question that you got your taxes cut?
#32. To: mininggold (#30)
#33. To: A K A Stone (#32)
I charge more then about anyone. That is because I offer unmatched quality. We do more then paint. We do it all. Except carpet. I never wanted to bust my knees out.
#34. To: Skip Intro (#31)
#35. To: mininggold (#33)
Why are you taking the day off?
#36. To: Skip Intro (#31)
Let's say my taxes got cut by $1000. At $33,000,000 Limbaugh's taxes got cut by around $1,650,000.
#37. To: A K A Stone, Skip Intro, mininggold, lucysmom (#11)
How would you come up with a way to take their profits back? That is a dumb idea. You can't just take something away from someone because you covet what they have. Go get a job.
#38. To: Godwinson (#37)
#39. To: Skip Intro, A K A Stone (#31)
Let's say my taxes got cut by $1000. At $33,000,000 Limbaugh's taxes got cut by around $1,650,000.
#40. To: mininggold (#36)
And he probably just started another losing business to cover the tax increase.
#41. To: Godwinson (#39)
Why didn't the Kochs or Exxon create more jobs as their profits rose by billions?
#42. To: A K A Stone, Skip Intro, mininggold, lucysmom (#38)
lol. So you actually want NAFTA to continue. Poser.
#43. To: Godwinson, Skip Intro, mininggold, lucysmom (#37)
#44. To: A K A Stone (#41)
Why didn't the Kochs or Exxon create more jobs as their profits rose by billions?
#45. To: Godwinson (#42)
I said why I think realistically NAFTA can't be overturned. It is like getting a tattoo
#46. To: A K A Stone (#41)
Because they wanted to keep the money they earned I guess. Maybe they don't need anymore help. It is not mine or anyone else's job to make sure that X person has a job. It is an individual responsibility to get your own job.
#47. To: Godwinson (#42)
#48. To: A K A Stone (#45)
It is not like getting a tattoo. Congress votes to change the law all the time.
#49. To: A K A Stone, Skip Intro, mininggold, lucysmom (#43)
Godwinson says he is against NAFTA GATT Etc. But he says we can't repeal them because our trading partners might get upset.
#50. To: mininggold (#46)
#51. To: A K A Stone (#41)
It is an individual responsibility to get your own job.
My dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than the self appointed Messiah!!!
#52. To: A K A Stone (#43)
Godwinson says he is against NAFTA GATT Etc. But he says we can't repeal them because our trading partners might get upset.
#53. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#48)
It is not like getting a tattoo. Congress votes to change the law all the time.
#54. To: mininggold (#52)
I guess you would like higher oil prices.
#55. To: Godwinson (#53)
There is also the blow back that canceling a trade agreement would create - especially since it was the Americans who crammed it down other nation's throats to begin with.
#56. To: CZ82, A K A Stone, mininggold (#51)
Oh no, you used the "R" word (responsibility) you need to wash out your keyboard with soap!!!!!
#57. To: A K A Stone (#55)
I'm for repealing it. You are not. You want NAFTA to continue. Poser.
#58. To: Godwinson (#53)
There is also the blow back
#59. To: A K A Stone (#50)
Speculation.
#60. To: Godwinson (#57)
I am for repealing NAFTA. What part of supporting 2 scenarios don't you get?
#61. To: mininggold (#59)
#62. To: A K A Stone, Skip Intro, mininggold, lucysmom (#58)
(Edited)
Now we have had 20 years of this economic philosophy and the experiment has failed for most Americans. The American people have every right to ask for their money back from the he top 1% to 2% of the population that lied to them about the benefits of this new economy. If a new model automobile performed as poorly as the globalized economy did it would have been recalled already.
#63. To: Godwinson (#56)
nd has not increased incomes over the last 30 years.
#64. To: Godwinson (#62)
The economic right wing ideology is RECALLED by the people and the money hereby refunded back to them.
#65. To: A K A Stone (#58)
The blow back would be the jobs coming back. We need to repeal NAFTA and replace it with tariffs on foreign goods. The tariff should make foreign goods more expensive then American goods by about 10 percent. If they pay their workers a dollar a day. The tariff should be enough to take that into account plus 10 percent.
#66. To: A K A Stone (#63)
You haven't got a raise in 30 years? Must suck to be you.
#67. To: mininggold (#65)
Too bad Rush wasn't for that in the least. He lost about half his radio listenership during his pro NAFTA era, but they too evidently have short memory spans.
#68. To: Godwinson (#66)
#69. To: A K A Stone (#68)
Using Koch as a boogeyman is a wasted task. I don't even know what the guy looks like. Most Americans probably 80 percent have never heard of him. People don't pay to much attention like you and I do.
#70. To: Godwinson (#62)
One is to undo all those free trade treaties signed in the last 20 years.
#71. To: lucysmom (#70)
The trouble with globalization is that we have nothing to trade.
#72. To: mininggold (#69)
#73. To: Godwinson (#0)
...the net wealth of the Koch brothers has grown, but that wealth has not trickled down in the form of job creation at their company....
In fact, the Koch brothers have been JOB DELETERS in favor of padding their bank accounts.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff? 
#74. To: Capitalist Eric, Skip Intro, mininggold, lucysmom (#73)
Hmmm... if we take this statement at face-value (I'm being generous), this means they've become more efficient... which in turn will result in lower prices to their consumers.
#75. To: A K A Stone (#34)
I don't know that your numbers for Limbaugh are correct.
#76. To: mininggold (#36)
(Edited)
And he probably just started another losing business to cover the tax increase.
#77. To: Skip Intro (#76)
Limbaugh sells tea. I doubt that he went out and built a new factory and hired employees for it. Most likely he subbed it out - to Snapple, maybe? - and they produce it for him.
#78. To: Godwinson (#37)
I would take profits back via the constitutional tax code and the power of the IRS. NAFTA/GATT was supposed to lower prices and create more jobs. It did nothing of the sort.
#79. To: mininggold (#77)
There must be a vast worldwide demand for a new brand of tea.
#80. To: Skip Intro (#79)
#81. To: A K A Stone (#11)
You can't just take something away from someone because you covet what they have. Go get a job.
That government is best which governs not at all -- Henry David Thoreau
#82. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#78)
I would charge the various parties under the RICO Act.
#83. To: mininggold (#80)
Supposedly those ties were marketed by 'the lovely and gracious Marta' a few wives back.
#84. To: Godwinson (#0)
#85. To: no gnu taxes (#84)
(Edited)
this is supposed to prove the rich are job destroyers?
#86. To: no gnu taxes, badeye, capitalist eric (#84)
carpet muncher Maddow
That government is best which governs not at all -- Henry David Thoreau
#87. To: Godwinson (#74)
Capitalist Eric: Hmmm... if we take this statement at face-value (I'm being generous), this means they've become more efficient... which in turn will result in lower prices to their consumers.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff? 
#88. To: A K A Stone (#71)
Oh really? Come on.
#89. To: Capitalist Eric (#73)
They're successful businessmen (whoever they are)... GOOD for them! That's something to be ADMIRED, you socialist idiot, not attacked.
#90. To: Capitalist Eric (#87)
Why does a person go into business for themself? What's the point?
#91. To: lucysmom (#89)
The creative force behind Koch Industries was the dad who also did a lot of business with the Soviets.
The smartest business move made by the Koch brothers was choosing their birth parents.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#92. To: lucysmom (#90)
Sometimes people go into business for themselves because they are caustic and can't get along with others.
"Fortune favors the bold."
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#93. To: Godwinson (#85)
#94. To: jwpegler (#86)
#95. To: lucysmom (#88)
#96. To: no gnu taxes (#93)
#97. To: Capitalist Eric (#92)
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
#98. To: Godwinson (#96)
#99. To: A K A Stone (#95)
We are one of the largest exporters in the world.
#100. To: Godwinson, mininggold (#82)
I would charge the various parties under the RICO Act.
#101. To: no gnu taxes (#98)
You hire people when you need them. If you can make money without hiring people, you don't.
#102. To: Godwinson (#101)
#103. To: Badeye (#94)
I find it telling she dyes her white blond hair black.
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#104. To: Godwinson, no gnu taxes (#96)
no gnu taxes: How many people have you hired?
Johnny: A BOOT to the head! And one more for Jennie and the wimp!
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#105. To: Capitalist Eric (#104)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#106. To: Biff Tannen (#103)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#107. To: Capitalist Eric, no gnu taxes, war (#104)
(Edited)
Translation: NONE.
#108. To: A K A Stone (#102)
The people on welfare....
#109. To: Capitalist Eric (#92)
Were that the case, one could get laid off from their job, and simply collect welfare/unemployment/(fill in your favorite government parasite program here), and be perfectly content, while taking NO risk whatsoever.
#110. To: Godwinson (#107)
In mathematics, zero is greater than negative. Since the richers fired people rather than hired people I am ahead of the curve.
Rule of Disinformation #15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. Loonymom: Again, you define and divide human beings so broadly as to be useless.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#111. To: Capitalist Eric (#110)
(Edited)
#112. To: Godwinson (#111)
You are the one avoiding the FACT that the ones the GOP/conservatives call "JOB CREATORS" aka "RICHERS" actually are JOB ELIMINATORS and are so even as they make record profits.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#113. To: Capitalist Eric, Godwinson (#112)
And it ain't about R vs. D. It's about corporatist socialism (what we have had since ~JFK), versus socialism (a la the USSR) that YOU want, versus capitalism (what I want).
#114. To: Capitalist Eric, Liberator, lucysmom (#113)
(Edited)
And it ain't about R vs. D. It's about corporatist socialism (what we have had since ~JFK), versus socialism (a la the USSR) that YOU want, versus capitalism (what I want).
#115. To: Capitalist Eric (#112)
And it ain't about R vs. D. It's about corporatist socialism (what we have had since ~JFK), versus socialism (a la the USSR) that YOU want, versus capitalism (what I want). If they're CROOKS, they need to be hanging out the end of a rope. It doesn't matter to me if they call themselves an "R" or a "D", they're STILL CROOKS!
That government is best which governs not at all -- Henry David Thoreau
#116. To: Godwinson (#114)
you make up your own definitions about economic system by pulling them out of your asses.
It was before my time... I don't know what kind of logic... lost in space...
Meanwhile, the rich you defend got richer and did not trickle down any wealth at all.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#117. To: Godwinson (#114)
I have no idea why you would be against the economic climate under the JFK era...
#118. To: Liberator (#117)
What frickin' planet are you on?
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#119. To: Liberator (#117)
(Edited)
JFK's America was not so bad a place to be. Neither was Eisenhower's America with the 90% tax brackets.
That government is best which governs not at all -- Henry David Thoreau
#120. To: Capitalist Eric (#118)
Uranus?
#121. To: jwpegler (#119)
Half the world was destroyed by WWII. The other half descended into communist tyrannies. So, in the 1950s and early 1960s, America produced over half of the world's output with less than 5% of the world's population, because we didn't have any competition from anyone.
#122. To: Liberator, jwpegler (#121)
Did people routinely quit their jobs in the 1950s to create growth-oriented start ups like they did in the 1900s, 1910s, 1980s and 1990s? No. It was unheard of the in 1950s.
#123. To: jwpegler (#119)
That government is best which governs not at all -- Henry David Thoreau
#124. To: jwpegler (#115)
The political establishment of both parties have essentially given us a corporatist economic system, dominated by politically connected companies on Wall Street. Goldman Sacs ran the Clinton administration.
#125. To: lucysmom (#124)
Goldman Sacs ran the Clinton administration.
#126. To: lucysmom (#124)
#127. To: Skip Intro (#125)
#128. To: Ferret Mike (#127)
#129. To: Ferret Mike (#126)
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