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Title: Proving the GOP conservatives are suckers: The Rich are really job destroyers not "job creators". As the rich got richer, they eliminated jobs.
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Published: Sep 23, 2011
Author: Will Femia
Post Date: 2011-09-26 11:43:41 by Godwinson
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Views: 83739
Comments: 129
The chart above showing the relationship between the Koch brothers' net worth and the number of people they employ. And so we see that the net wealth of the Koch brothers has grown, but that wealth has not trickled down in the form of job creation at their company. In fact, the Koch brothers have been JOB DELETERS in favor of padding their bank accounts. I bet if I found the data it would show salaries of their remaining employees have also been reduced. The ExxonMobil chart above also shows the lack of correlation between rising income and "job creation". How long will you GOP/conservative/libertarian suckers keep arguing that the rich should be left alone because they are "job creators"? 
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#72. To: mininggold (#69)
Hey mininggold. Have a good day. We do have a little bit of agreement on this globalization stuff.
Hmmm... THIS is the quality of articles you post...? With such a title, I would have expected something with.... oh, I don't know, maybe some SUBSTANCE? They're successful businessmen (whoever they are)... GOOD for them! That's something to be ADMIRED, you socialist idiot, not attacked. ....Unless, of course, you're such a loser that you'll never do anything except complain that people who are more willing to work and are smarter than you, make more money than you... BTW, you already get the wealth you deserve- in the form of a wage or salary... Hmmm... if we take this statement at face-value (I'm being generous), this means they've become more efficient... which in turn will result in lower prices to their consumers. And this is bad because WHY? Oh, that's right... it's bad because you're such a loser that you'll never do anything, so you just complain that people who are more willing to work and are smarter than you, make more money than you... Face it, gobsheit. You're a leftist loser. 'Nuff said.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Then they should be hiring MORE people because they are making more profit selling at a cheaper price. So these richers are NOT job creators AT ALL. you can't call them job creators then claim eliminating jobs is a good thing, you loon.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Me either. How could I? How much do you think he saved yearly from the Bush tax cuts?
Limbaugh sells tea. I doubt that he went out and built a new factory and hired employees for it. Most likely he subbed it out - to Snapple, maybe? - and they produce it for him. Curiously, Snapple is in Irving Tx, which is between Fort Worth and Dallas, the location Limbaugh says his tea is produced. In any event any new people hired for his project would be minimal.
There must be a vast worldwide demand for a new brand of tea. Or else he, like the gold sellers, realize what a dupe the average Tea Bagger is.
I would charge the various parties under the RICO Act.
There's a demand by suckers for an overpriced bottle of tea. It is cheaper than overpriced gold commemorative coins, after all. Remember his hideous ties from the 1990s? Funny how he was able to start that business without his millionaire's tax cut. I remember seeing them on sale at a Long's drug store in Walnut Creek. They were priced at $2.99 or something near that and they sat there for months.
Remember his hideous ties from the 1990s? Funny how he was able to start that business without his millionaire's tax cut. Supposedly those ties were marketed by 'the lovely and gracious Marta' a few wives back.
If goober invested the same amount of energy in self-improvement that he invests in his envy, he would be on the other side the equation.
I would as well. We had an economic ideology - it was sold to the American people with certain sets of assumptions and it has not performed as described. If a car is sold as meeting certain performance guarantees and fails to live up to those then it is recalled. A K A Stone is shilling for an economic ideology THAT FAILED. Those liars that A K A Stone is shilling for promised MORE jobs and MORE prosperity for all if we only lowered taxes and deregulated and opened our borders. NONE OF THAT HAPPENED. So why are Stone and his ilk still shilling for this failed ideology? Remember, if failed not because some got richer but because no one below the top 2% of the population (that's 98% of America, folks) also saw an increase in prosperity and leisure (Americans work longer for less pay/benefits than any time in our modern history). The fact that Stone panic posted on here trying shill his way away from the fact that the rich are job deleters not job creators the wealthier they get proves this.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
And this tea thing was supposedly thought up by wife #4 on their honeymoon night.
You are stupid as is this article and the carpet muncher Maddow. So because the Koch's made money in the Obama Depression and didn't hire a lot more people (as would any smart company would do when the Kenyan is trying to screw them), this is supposed to prove the rich are job destroyers? How many people did you hire this past year?
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
The rich Kochs made $8 billion dollars between 2007 and 2008 under Bush and added on NO NEW employees. Between 2008 and 2011 the Kochs made $12 billion dollars MORE in the Obama era over what they made in Bush's last year in office and those richers DELETED/FIRED/SHED 13,000 employees. The rich Kochs, still paying Bush level tax cuts, etc did not hire more workers as they made more money but fired them. Hence you Koch suckers can't claim the rich are JOB CREATORS without being called for your Orwellian BullShit.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Have you ever seen the Maddow commercial where she is standing in front of the Hoover Damn pissing and moaning about how America won't build damns anymore? Why won't America build damns anymore? Because Maddow's buddies on the lunatic left have shut down building damns to protect the little fishes. Not only have they shut down building new damns, they are actively destroying existing damns in the Pacific Northwest. These lying sacks of shit have no shame. They need to be eradicated from having any influence whatsoever in pubic policy.
gobsheit: Then they should be hiring MORE people because they are making more profit selling at a cheaper price. Why does a person go into business for themself? What's the point? Do you think it's because of security? Yes or no? If a person loses their security by going into business for themself, then what could POSSIBLY be their motive? Isn't there more RISK? And if they take higher risks than YOU would by simply showing up to collect a paycheck, would it not be FAIR to make more money, bigger PROFITS, than you? Is it the purpose of a company to take all the risks, and give away all the rewards for the money invested, by giving it someone who has NO risk of loss at stake? Again, what is the REASON for starting a business???
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Really.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
The creative force behind Koch Industries was the dad who also did a lot of business with the Soviets. The smartest business move made by the Koch brothers was choosing their birth parents.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Sometimes people go into business for themselves because they are caustic and can't get along with others.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Which means precisely dick, even if it IS true. Ahh, yes, that SOCIALIST attitude.... that people who WORK hard, are TENACIOUS and SMART enough to make a profit, must have somehow won "the lottery of life," right? In other words, the politics of ENVY, which is so popular among... LOSERS.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Were that the case, one could get laid off from their job, and simply collect welfare/unemployment/(fill in your favorite government parasite program here), and be perfectly content, while taking NO risk whatsoever. I know a few people like that, though I confess I do not understand how they can be so content while doing and accomplishing nothing... People go into business to MAKE MONEY. They're willing to take the risk of uncertainty by, instead of depending on others to give them a "living wage," they realize that they can make MORE money, and have MORE choices, by investing in themselves! "Fortes fortuna adiuvat" Sadly, your choice to be a coward- and as a result, a loser- precludes you from ever fully appreciating this.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 So why would they need to hire anybody? How many people have you hired?
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
I don't pay attention to her, to be honest. She's never impressed me. I find it telling she dyes her white blond hair black.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
We are one of the largest exporters in the world.
How many people of the rich and corporations with their record profits hired? The rich and the mega corporations are job deleters even when they are flush with cash. Why are you Koch suckers still calling the richers "job creators"?
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
This is how it works. You hire people when you need them. If you can make money without hiring people, you don't. What is supposed to be so hard for you to understand about that?
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
Little Germany exports more than we do. Our trade deficit is the largest in the world.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
I would as well. Which provision of the RICO act would you charge them under?
So the richers are not job creators as the GOP lie campaign states. I just made you disprove the GOP talking point you were trying to defend.
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
The people on welfare are the job creators. When they buy stuff the stimulate the economy. ;(
you find the dumbest things telling, lol. It doesn't tell anything, twit
------------------------------------- gobsheit: How many people of the rich and corporations with their record profits hired? The rich and the mega corporations... blah blah blah........ Translation: NONE. Announcer: Thanks for playing, gobsheit! Johnny, what do we have for the empty-headed socialist? DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 We now have 6 employees. We've doubled in size the last year.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Well, wait a minute here...it tells he's a twit...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
In mathematics, zero is greater than negative. Since the richers fired people rather than hired people I am ahead of the curve.
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
after they were fired by the richers......
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
Again, you define and divide human beings so broadly as to be useless. Sadly, your choice to be a coward- and as a result, a loser- precludes you from ever fully appreciating this. If you say so.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Rule of Disinformation #13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards with an apparent deductive logic in a way that forbears any actual material fact. Straight out of Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals," "Accuse others of what you do." Really, you'll have to do much better, if you want to keep up.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 You are the one avoiding the FACT that the ones the GOP/conservatives call "JOB CREATORS" aka "RICHERS" actually are JOB ELIMINATORS and are so even as they make record profits.
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
WOW... ((((raised eyebrows)))) That's gotta' be the most convoluted sentence I've seen, in quite some time. You seem to think the situation we're in revolves around politicians and businessmen with an "R" as their political identity, versus those with a "D" to represent their political views. And it ain't about R vs. D. It's about corporatist socialism (what we have had since ~JFK), versus socialism (a la the USSR) that YOU want, versus capitalism (what I want). If they're CROOKS, they need to be hanging out the end of a rope. It doesn't matter to me if they call themselves an "R" or a "D", they're STILL CROOKS! You keep falling for the same old "us versus them" game. And so they keep playing you. GROW UP! George W. Bush (Herr Dumbass) was bad. Bush-I was bad. Clinton was bad. oBUMa is REALLY bad! When did you think someone could Jimmy Carter look competent? Let's see... Six elections, and we keep getting the same old shit, steadily plodding towards the police-state...? You see a trend, yet? We're moving toward a level of corporatist fascism that Mussolini would have turned green with envy, over! With a lot of leftist bloggers calling oBUMa Bush-III, do you STILL believe there's a difference between the parties? DO YOU? DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35
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#73. To: Godwinson (#0)
...the net wealth of the Koch brothers has grown, but that wealth has not trickled down in the form of job creation at their company....
In fact, the Koch brothers have been JOB DELETERS in favor of padding their bank accounts.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff? 
#74. To: Capitalist Eric, Skip Intro, mininggold, lucysmom (#73)
Hmmm... if we take this statement at face-value (I'm being generous), this means they've become more efficient... which in turn will result in lower prices to their consumers.
#75. To: A K A Stone (#34)
I don't know that your numbers for Limbaugh are correct.
#76. To: mininggold (#36)
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And he probably just started another losing business to cover the tax increase.
#77. To: Skip Intro (#76)
Limbaugh sells tea. I doubt that he went out and built a new factory and hired employees for it. Most likely he subbed it out - to Snapple, maybe? - and they produce it for him.
#78. To: Godwinson (#37)
I would take profits back via the constitutional tax code and the power of the IRS. NAFTA/GATT was supposed to lower prices and create more jobs. It did nothing of the sort.
#79. To: mininggold (#77)
There must be a vast worldwide demand for a new brand of tea.
#80. To: Skip Intro (#79)
#81. To: A K A Stone (#11)
You can't just take something away from someone because you covet what they have. Go get a job.
That government is best which governs not at all -- Henry David Thoreau
#82. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#78)
I would charge the various parties under the RICO Act.
#83. To: mininggold (#80)
Supposedly those ties were marketed by 'the lovely and gracious Marta' a few wives back.
#84. To: Godwinson (#0)
#85. To: no gnu taxes (#84)
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this is supposed to prove the rich are job destroyers?
#86. To: no gnu taxes, badeye, capitalist eric (#84)
carpet muncher Maddow
That government is best which governs not at all -- Henry David Thoreau
#87. To: Godwinson (#74)
Capitalist Eric: Hmmm... if we take this statement at face-value (I'm being generous), this means they've become more efficient... which in turn will result in lower prices to their consumers.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff? 
#88. To: A K A Stone (#71)
Oh really? Come on.
#89. To: Capitalist Eric (#73)
They're successful businessmen (whoever they are)... GOOD for them! That's something to be ADMIRED, you socialist idiot, not attacked.
#90. To: Capitalist Eric (#87)
Why does a person go into business for themself? What's the point?
#91. To: lucysmom (#89)
The creative force behind Koch Industries was the dad who also did a lot of business with the Soviets.
The smartest business move made by the Koch brothers was choosing their birth parents.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#92. To: lucysmom (#90)
Sometimes people go into business for themselves because they are caustic and can't get along with others.
"Fortune favors the bold."
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#93. To: Godwinson (#85)
#94. To: jwpegler (#86)
#95. To: lucysmom (#88)
#96. To: no gnu taxes (#93)
#97. To: Capitalist Eric (#92)
"This is what economic policy in the West has become--a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population." Paul Craig Roberts
#98. To: Godwinson (#96)
#99. To: A K A Stone (#95)
We are one of the largest exporters in the world.
#100. To: Godwinson, mininggold (#82)
I would charge the various parties under the RICO Act.
#101. To: no gnu taxes (#98)
You hire people when you need them. If you can make money without hiring people, you don't.
#102. To: Godwinson (#101)
#103. To: Badeye (#94)
I find it telling she dyes her white blond hair black.
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#104. To: Godwinson, no gnu taxes (#96)
no gnu taxes: How many people have you hired?
Johnny: A BOOT to the head! And one more for Jennie and the wimp!
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#105. To: Capitalist Eric (#104)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#106. To: Biff Tannen (#103)
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--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#107. To: Capitalist Eric, no gnu taxes, war (#104)
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Translation: NONE.
#108. To: A K A Stone (#102)
The people on welfare....
#109. To: Capitalist Eric (#92)
Were that the case, one could get laid off from their job, and simply collect welfare/unemployment/(fill in your favorite government parasite program here), and be perfectly content, while taking NO risk whatsoever.
#110. To: Godwinson (#107)
In mathematics, zero is greater than negative. Since the richers fired people rather than hired people I am ahead of the curve.
Rule of Disinformation #15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. Loonymom: Again, you define and divide human beings so broadly as to be useless.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#111. To: Capitalist Eric (#110)
(Edited)
#112. To: Godwinson (#111)
You are the one avoiding the FACT that the ones the GOP/conservatives call "JOB CREATORS" aka "RICHERS" actually are JOB ELIMINATORS and are so even as they make record profits.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
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