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Title: Proving the GOP conservatives are suckers: The Rich are really job destroyers not "job creators". As the rich got richer, they eliminated jobs.
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Published: Sep 23, 2011
Author: Will Femia
Post Date: 2011-09-26 11:43:41 by Godwinson
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The chart above showing the relationship between the Koch brothers' net worth and the number of people they employ. And so we see that the net wealth of the Koch brothers has grown, but that wealth has not trickled down in the form of job creation at their company. In fact, the Koch brothers have been JOB DELETERS in favor of padding their bank accounts. I bet if I found the data it would show salaries of their remaining employees have also been reduced. The ExxonMobil chart above also shows the lack of correlation between rising income and "job creation". How long will you GOP/conservative/libertarian suckers keep arguing that the rich should be left alone because they are "job creators"? 
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#56. To: CZ82, A K A Stone, mininggold (#51)
The rich should be responsible for selling an economic system that failed. Just like automobile companies are responsible for recalls for a failure, the rich and corporations are RESPONSIBLE for the economic failure of the American low tax and free trade system that has not created more jobs and has not increased incomes over the last 30 years.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
I am for repealing NAFTA. What part of supporting 2 scenarios don't you get?
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
The blow back would be the jobs coming back. We need to repeal NAFTA and replace it with tariffs on foreign goods. The tariff should make foreign goods more expensive then American goods by about 10 percent. If they pay their workers a dollar a day. The tariff should be enough to take that into account plus 10 percent. You don't like Americans having jobs. You are already on record want America to crash and burn.
Everything said here today is basically speculation. But no agreement passes without support and those that have made the most profit have supported their creation and positioned themselves from the start. And you can take that to the bank.
Your post 42 and 49 say otherwise. Did you have a change of heart in the last 5 minutes?
I cannot take that to the bank. They only take money. Not words printed off an obscure political forum.
As I see it, at this point freedom of action to correct the failed globalized American economy is limited to two avenues for the American people. One is to undo all those free trade treaties signed in the last 20 years. It can be done but it would be difficult and lead to possible trade wars. In the short term it would be devastating to the economy if that was the case. A more readily available solution is to take back the wealth from the top 2% of the population that made their fortunes in the last 2 decades in large part due to outsourcing and return (not transfer but RETURN) that money back to the rest of the population in the forms of government services like universal health care and investment in the nation's future (NASA, infrastructure, education). The promises made by the top 2% via politicians and experts failed to materialize as promised. It is only fair that the rest of the 98% of the population who suffered from this failure are compensated back. Standing in our way are most Republicans and some Democrats (that seems to be the ratio) who still carry water for the oligarchs that stole our fortunes away. How long will this go on before we correct their error? RECALL. The law is to be recalled. The Profits of the rich from the last 30 years is to be REFUNDED. I Call for a REFUND to the money clearly taken form the 98% of the population and transferred to the top 2% based on the top 2% supporting an economic system Regaonmics+ Free trade that did not perform as promised. The economic right wing ideology is RECALLED by the people and the money hereby REFUNDED back to them.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
You haven't got a raise in 30 years? Must suck to be you.
No it isn't. Wake up you are dreaming.
Too bad Rush wasn't for that in the least. He lost about half his radio listenership during his pro NAFTA era, but they too evidently have short memory spans.
It sucks for most Americans, you Koch sucker.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
I agree with you. Rush would have been a good ally back then and maybe it could have been defeated. I listen to Rush. He is entertaining. He digs up good dirt on the democrats. I pretty much stopped listening to him during the Bush years. He was to much of a cheerleader for Bush and his illegal war. So I kind of like Rush on some issues and strongly disagree with him on some others. Like I said he is still fun to listen to though. Lately though I have just had my sandisk filled with lots of hard rock on random play hooked up to my Dewalt radio. No commercials just good rock n roll music.
Using Koch as a boogeyman is a wasted task. I don't even know what the guy looks like. Most Americans probably 80 percent have never heard of him. People don't pay to much attention like you and I do.
It doesn't hurt to educate Americans to where the money originates in some of these 'grassroots' movements.
The trouble with globalization is that we have nothing to trade.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Oh really? Come on.
Hey mininggold. Have a good day. We do have a little bit of agreement on this globalization stuff.
Hmmm... THIS is the quality of articles you post...? With such a title, I would have expected something with.... oh, I don't know, maybe some SUBSTANCE? They're successful businessmen (whoever they are)... GOOD for them! That's something to be ADMIRED, you socialist idiot, not attacked. ....Unless, of course, you're such a loser that you'll never do anything except complain that people who are more willing to work and are smarter than you, make more money than you... BTW, you already get the wealth you deserve- in the form of a wage or salary... Hmmm... if we take this statement at face-value (I'm being generous), this means they've become more efficient... which in turn will result in lower prices to their consumers. And this is bad because WHY? Oh, that's right... it's bad because you're such a loser that you'll never do anything, so you just complain that people who are more willing to work and are smarter than you, make more money than you... Face it, gobsheit. You're a leftist loser. 'Nuff said.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Then they should be hiring MORE people because they are making more profit selling at a cheaper price. So these richers are NOT job creators AT ALL. you can't call them job creators then claim eliminating jobs is a good thing, you loon.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Me either. How could I? How much do you think he saved yearly from the Bush tax cuts?
Limbaugh sells tea. I doubt that he went out and built a new factory and hired employees for it. Most likely he subbed it out - to Snapple, maybe? - and they produce it for him. Curiously, Snapple is in Irving Tx, which is between Fort Worth and Dallas, the location Limbaugh says his tea is produced. In any event any new people hired for his project would be minimal.
There must be a vast worldwide demand for a new brand of tea. Or else he, like the gold sellers, realize what a dupe the average Tea Bagger is.
I would charge the various parties under the RICO Act.
There's a demand by suckers for an overpriced bottle of tea. It is cheaper than overpriced gold commemorative coins, after all. Remember his hideous ties from the 1990s? Funny how he was able to start that business without his millionaire's tax cut. I remember seeing them on sale at a Long's drug store in Walnut Creek. They were priced at $2.99 or something near that and they sat there for months.
Remember his hideous ties from the 1990s? Funny how he was able to start that business without his millionaire's tax cut. Supposedly those ties were marketed by 'the lovely and gracious Marta' a few wives back.
If goober invested the same amount of energy in self-improvement that he invests in his envy, he would be on the other side the equation.
I would as well. We had an economic ideology - it was sold to the American people with certain sets of assumptions and it has not performed as described. If a car is sold as meeting certain performance guarantees and fails to live up to those then it is recalled. A K A Stone is shilling for an economic ideology THAT FAILED. Those liars that A K A Stone is shilling for promised MORE jobs and MORE prosperity for all if we only lowered taxes and deregulated and opened our borders. NONE OF THAT HAPPENED. So why are Stone and his ilk still shilling for this failed ideology? Remember, if failed not because some got richer but because no one below the top 2% of the population (that's 98% of America, folks) also saw an increase in prosperity and leisure (Americans work longer for less pay/benefits than any time in our modern history). The fact that Stone panic posted on here trying shill his way away from the fact that the rich are job deleters not job creators the wealthier they get proves this.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
And this tea thing was supposedly thought up by wife #4 on their honeymoon night.
You are stupid as is this article and the carpet muncher Maddow. So because the Koch's made money in the Obama Depression and didn't hire a lot more people (as would any smart company would do when the Kenyan is trying to screw them), this is supposed to prove the rich are job destroyers? How many people did you hire this past year?
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
The rich Kochs made $8 billion dollars between 2007 and 2008 under Bush and added on NO NEW employees. Between 2008 and 2011 the Kochs made $12 billion dollars MORE in the Obama era over what they made in Bush's last year in office and those richers DELETED/FIRED/SHED 13,000 employees. The rich Kochs, still paying Bush level tax cuts, etc did not hire more workers as they made more money but fired them. Hence you Koch suckers can't claim the rich are JOB CREATORS without being called for your Orwellian BullShit.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Have you ever seen the Maddow commercial where she is standing in front of the Hoover Damn pissing and moaning about how America won't build damns anymore? Why won't America build damns anymore? Because Maddow's buddies on the lunatic left have shut down building damns to protect the little fishes. Not only have they shut down building new damns, they are actively destroying existing damns in the Pacific Northwest. These lying sacks of shit have no shame. They need to be eradicated from having any influence whatsoever in pubic policy.
gobsheit: Then they should be hiring MORE people because they are making more profit selling at a cheaper price. Why does a person go into business for themself? What's the point? Do you think it's because of security? Yes or no? If a person loses their security by going into business for themself, then what could POSSIBLY be their motive? Isn't there more RISK? And if they take higher risks than YOU would by simply showing up to collect a paycheck, would it not be FAIR to make more money, bigger PROFITS, than you? Is it the purpose of a company to take all the risks, and give away all the rewards for the money invested, by giving it someone who has NO risk of loss at stake? Again, what is the REASON for starting a business???
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Really.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
The creative force behind Koch Industries was the dad who also did a lot of business with the Soviets. The smartest business move made by the Koch brothers was choosing their birth parents.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Sometimes people go into business for themselves because they are caustic and can't get along with others.
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
Which means precisely dick, even if it IS true. Ahh, yes, that SOCIALIST attitude.... that people who WORK hard, are TENACIOUS and SMART enough to make a profit, must have somehow won "the lottery of life," right? In other words, the politics of ENVY, which is so popular among... LOSERS.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 Were that the case, one could get laid off from their job, and simply collect welfare/unemployment/(fill in your favorite government parasite program here), and be perfectly content, while taking NO risk whatsoever. I know a few people like that, though I confess I do not understand how they can be so content while doing and accomplishing nothing... People go into business to MAKE MONEY. They're willing to take the risk of uncertainty by, instead of depending on others to give them a "living wage," they realize that they can make MORE money, and have MORE choices, by investing in themselves! "Fortes fortuna adiuvat" Sadly, your choice to be a coward- and as a result, a loser- precludes you from ever fully appreciating this.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball... http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24347&Disp=35#C35 So why would they need to hire anybody? How many people have you hired?
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
I don't pay attention to her, to be honest. She's never impressed me. I find it telling she dyes her white blond hair black.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
We are one of the largest exporters in the world.
How many people of the rich and corporations with their record profits hired? The rich and the mega corporations are job deleters even when they are flush with cash. Why are you Koch suckers still calling the richers "job creators"?
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
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#57. To: A K A Stone (#55)
I'm for repealing it. You are not. You want NAFTA to continue. Poser.
#58. To: Godwinson (#53)
There is also the blow back
#59. To: A K A Stone (#50)
Speculation.
#60. To: Godwinson (#57)
I am for repealing NAFTA. What part of supporting 2 scenarios don't you get?
#61. To: mininggold (#59)
#62. To: A K A Stone, Skip Intro, mininggold, lucysmom (#58)
(Edited)
Now we have had 20 years of this economic philosophy and the experiment has failed for most Americans. The American people have every right to ask for their money back from the he top 1% to 2% of the population that lied to them about the benefits of this new economy. If a new model automobile performed as poorly as the globalized economy did it would have been recalled already.
#63. To: Godwinson (#56)
nd has not increased incomes over the last 30 years.
#64. To: Godwinson (#62)
The economic right wing ideology is RECALLED by the people and the money hereby refunded back to them.
#65. To: A K A Stone (#58)
The blow back would be the jobs coming back. We need to repeal NAFTA and replace it with tariffs on foreign goods. The tariff should make foreign goods more expensive then American goods by about 10 percent. If they pay their workers a dollar a day. The tariff should be enough to take that into account plus 10 percent.
#66. To: A K A Stone (#63)
You haven't got a raise in 30 years? Must suck to be you.
#67. To: mininggold (#65)
Too bad Rush wasn't for that in the least. He lost about half his radio listenership during his pro NAFTA era, but they too evidently have short memory spans.
#68. To: Godwinson (#66)
#69. To: A K A Stone (#68)
Using Koch as a boogeyman is a wasted task. I don't even know what the guy looks like. Most Americans probably 80 percent have never heard of him. People don't pay to much attention like you and I do.
#70. To: Godwinson (#62)
One is to undo all those free trade treaties signed in the last 20 years.
#71. To: lucysmom (#70)
The trouble with globalization is that we have nothing to trade.
#72. To: mininggold (#69)
#73. To: Godwinson (#0)
...the net wealth of the Koch brothers has grown, but that wealth has not trickled down in the form of job creation at their company....
In fact, the Koch brothers have been JOB DELETERS in favor of padding their bank accounts.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff? 
#74. To: Capitalist Eric, Skip Intro, mininggold, lucysmom (#73)
Hmmm... if we take this statement at face-value (I'm being generous), this means they've become more efficient... which in turn will result in lower prices to their consumers.
#75. To: A K A Stone (#34)
I don't know that your numbers for Limbaugh are correct.
#76. To: mininggold (#36)
(Edited)
And he probably just started another losing business to cover the tax increase.
#77. To: Skip Intro (#76)
Limbaugh sells tea. I doubt that he went out and built a new factory and hired employees for it. Most likely he subbed it out - to Snapple, maybe? - and they produce it for him.
#78. To: Godwinson (#37)
I would take profits back via the constitutional tax code and the power of the IRS. NAFTA/GATT was supposed to lower prices and create more jobs. It did nothing of the sort.
#79. To: mininggold (#77)
There must be a vast worldwide demand for a new brand of tea.
#80. To: Skip Intro (#79)
#81. To: A K A Stone (#11)
You can't just take something away from someone because you covet what they have. Go get a job.
That government is best which governs not at all -- Henry David Thoreau
#82. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#78)
I would charge the various parties under the RICO Act.
#83. To: mininggold (#80)
Supposedly those ties were marketed by 'the lovely and gracious Marta' a few wives back.
#84. To: Godwinson (#0)
#85. To: no gnu taxes (#84)
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this is supposed to prove the rich are job destroyers?
#86. To: no gnu taxes, badeye, capitalist eric (#84)
carpet muncher Maddow
That government is best which governs not at all -- Henry David Thoreau
#87. To: Godwinson (#74)
Capitalist Eric: Hmmm... if we take this statement at face-value (I'm being generous), this means they've become more efficient... which in turn will result in lower prices to their consumers.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff? 
#88. To: A K A Stone (#71)
Oh really? Come on.
#89. To: Capitalist Eric (#73)
They're successful businessmen (whoever they are)... GOOD for them! That's something to be ADMIRED, you socialist idiot, not attacked.
#90. To: Capitalist Eric (#87)
Why does a person go into business for themself? What's the point?
#91. To: lucysmom (#89)
The creative force behind Koch Industries was the dad who also did a lot of business with the Soviets.
The smartest business move made by the Koch brothers was choosing their birth parents.
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#92. To: lucysmom (#90)
Sometimes people go into business for themselves because they are caustic and can't get along with others.
"Fortune favors the bold."
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
#93. To: Godwinson (#85)
#94. To: jwpegler (#86)
#95. To: lucysmom (#88)
#96. To: no gnu taxes (#93)
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