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Title: Proving the GOP conservatives are suckers: The Rich are really job destroyers not "job creators". As the rich got richer, they eliminated jobs.
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Published: Sep 23, 2011
Author: Will Femia
Post Date: 2011-09-26 11:43:41 by Godwinson
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Comments: 129
The chart above showing the relationship between the Koch brothers' net worth and the number of people they employ. And so we see that the net wealth of the Koch brothers has grown, but that wealth has not trickled down in the form of job creation at their company. In fact, the Koch brothers have been JOB DELETERS in favor of padding their bank accounts. I bet if I found the data it would show salaries of their remaining employees have also been reduced. The ExxonMobil chart above also shows the lack of correlation between rising income and "job creation". How long will you GOP/conservative/libertarian suckers keep arguing that the rich should be left alone because they are "job creators"? 
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#6. To: Godwinson (#5)
I was with Pat Buchanan and Ross Perot on that issue.
It doesn't matter. You are a Koch sucker these days.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Nah. I still support repealing NAFTA, GATT and all those globalist bullshit laws.
But you are for allowing the wealthy to keep all their profits from that era? You sucker.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
I'm always surprised at the short memory spans or rank ignorance of recent history on this forum, such as the era of corporate raiding or hostile takeovers, and subsequent liquidation or sell off of the assets of huge companies which was prevalent during the Reagan administration. All to increase the price of stock holdings.
How would you come up with a way to take their profits back? That is a dumb idea. You can't just take something away from someone because you covet what they have. Go get a job.
How many new jobs has Rush Limbaugh created since the Bush tax cuts? I only ask because he's a huge proponent of the richer=more jobs argument.
He has created more then you I would say. He now has a tea line. So there are how many ever that employs. Then there is the delivery drivers for the postal service. I would bet he employs at least 100 people.
Remember PALCO? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Lumber_Company
"You post articles- intellectual excrement, really- that support your inane, insipid mentality, on a regular basis. Capitalist Eric
How many?
For one, you make them either keep the profits here in this country or else you put the CEOs in jail.
You sound more and more like a nazi. How about we just repeal it and go to huge tariffs on foreign goods. That sounds like a better idea to me. What are you and your thugs going to look at everyone's bank account and tell them where to put their money. What about the fourth amendment. You don't care about that do you?
You only quoted part of what I said. Do you think you have created more jobs?
How about we just repeal it and go to huge tariffs on foreign goods. That sounds like a better idea to me. What are you and your thugs going to look at everyone's bank account and tell them where to put their money. What about the fourth amendment. You don't care about that do you? Why are you afraid to put rich thieves in jail?
Do you think you have created more jobs? Putting posters into a pissing match with Rush hardly makes your case.
Rich thieves should be put in jail. But someone hiring someone from another nation to work is not a thief. Obama is a thief. Should he be put in jail?
Pissing match? He asked the question. You should pay attention to what was said before before opening your mouth and removing the little doubt some people may still have about you.
I didn't benefit from the millionaire tax cut.
Obama is a thief. Should he be put in jail? I would start with oldest living president and go from there.
The millionaires may have got their taxes cut. But so did everyone else. And they still pay a higher percentage despite what the douche bag who calls himself president says.
You didn't deny he is a thief. Thanks for the unintentional honesty.
May? There's no question about it.
Do you question that you got your taxes cut? Do you care that there are millions of deadbeats collecting government goodies that are perfectly capable of working?
Is that the commandment that made you reject God?
Think of it this way, many more would be horning in on your painting gig and you would have to lower your prices.
Let's say my taxes got cut by $1000. At $33,000,000 Limbaugh's taxes got cut by around $1,650,000.
I charge more then about anyone. That is because I offer unmatched quality. We do more then paint. We do it all. Except carpet. I never wanted to bust my knees out.
Why are you taking the day off?
Lets say you got your taxes cut by 1000. So you must have paid a few thousand in taxes. I don't know that your numbers for Limbaugh are correct. But he paid millions in taxes. Do you understand percents. Or do you think you should have got a millin dollar tax decrease?
It was pouring buckets of rain out there today. Literal buckets. It just stopped and is still way to wet to work on current job. I'm doing estimates and looking at stuff today. Is that ok nosy butt?
And he probably just started another losing business to cover the tax increase.
Stone claims he was against NAFTA and GATT yet won't do anything about taxing the wealth those destructive trade laws created. I would take profits back via the constitutional tax code and the power of the IRS. NAFTA/GATT was supposed to lower prices and create more jobs. It did nothing of the sort. Since the USA can't eliminate the the trade agreement without a trade war (especially since Americans pushed for these agreements) then the American people can correct the problem by taxing back the wealth earned by such agreements.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
lol. So you actually want NAFTA to continue. Poser.
Why didn't the Kochs or Exxon create more jobs as their profits rose by billions?
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
I've never tried his tea? Have you? Is it yucky?
Because they wanted to keep the money they earned I guess. Maybe they don't need anymore help. It is not mine or anyone else's job to make sure that X person has a job. It is an individual responsibility to get your own job.
I know you are a moron, I said why I think realistically NAFTA can't be overturned. It is like getting a tattoo - yea it can be removed but its painfully difficult to do so and would cost a trade war. Taxing the NAFTA profits, past and present would correct the imbalance. We had 20 years of this economic ideology - 30+ if you add in Reaganomics and it has failed. Low taxes does not fix anything. Rich people / corporations getting richer did not lead to more permanent jobs nor increases in salaries. It is an ideological failure.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Godwinson says he is against NAFTA GATT Etc. But he says we can't repeal them because our trading partners might get upset.
Because they wanted to keep the money they earned I guess. Maybe they don't need anymore help. It is not mine or anyone else's job to make sure that X person has a job. It is an individual responsibility to get your own job. So the rich are not "job creators" then are they?
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
It is not like getting a tattoo. Congress votes to change the law all the time.
I agree, they probably spent many millions on lobbyists and bribes getting those agreements in place, so it should be all gravy from here on out.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestBack in the 90s the free-trade/globalization movement that had begun in earnest a decade earlier took full shape. At the time we had a Democratic President in Clinton who along with some Democrats from his party and most Republicans passed NAFTA and a host of other free trade / open border globalization economic policies.
#7. To: A K A Stone (#6)
I was with Pat Buchanan and Ross Perot on that issue.
#8. To: Godwinson (#7)
#9. To: A K A Stone (#8)
Nah. I still support repealing NAFTA, GATT and all those globalist bullshit laws.
#10. To: Godwinson, A K A Stone (#4)
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The so called wealthy also eliminate jobs. The rich or corporations are not in the job creation business but in the personal wealth creation business. If a rich person can get money from eliminating jobs and squeezing down the income from the remaining terrified employees (who just saw others lose their jobs so they don't complain and rationalize why they get less income and job security than their parents did) they he will do so.
#11. To: Godwinson (#9)
But you are for allowing the wealthy to keep all their profits from that era? You sucker.
#12. To: Godwinson (#0)
#13. To: Skip Intro (#12)
#14. To: mininggold (#10)
I'm always surprised at the short memory spans or rank ignorance of recent history on this forum, such as the era of corporate raiding or hostile takeovers, and subsequent liquidation or sell off of the assets of huge companies which was prevalent during the Reagan administration.
#15. To: A K A Stone (#13)
He has created more then you I would say.
#16. To: A K A Stone (#11)
How would you come up with a way to take their profits back? That is a dumb idea. You can't just take something away from someone because you covet what they have.
#17. To: mininggold (#16)
#18. To: Skip Intro (#15)
#19. To: A K A Stone (#17)
You sound more and more like a nazi.
#20. To: A K A Stone (#18)
You only quoted part of what I said.
#21. To: mininggold (#19)
#22. To: mininggold (#20)
#23. To: A K A Stone (#18)
Do you think you have created more jobs?
#24. To: A K A Stone (#21)
#25. To: Skip Intro (#23)
#26. To: mininggold (#24)
#27. To: A K A Stone (#25)
The millionaires may have got their taxes cut.
#28. To: Skip Intro (#27)
#29. To: Skip Intro, mininggold (#27)
The TENTH Commandment - THOU SHALT NOT COVET
#30. To: A K A Stone (#28)
Do you care that there are millions of deadbeats collecting government goodies that are perfectly capable of working?
#31. To: A K A Stone (#28)
Do you question that you got your taxes cut?
#32. To: mininggold (#30)
#33. To: A K A Stone (#32)
I charge more then about anyone. That is because I offer unmatched quality. We do more then paint. We do it all. Except carpet. I never wanted to bust my knees out.
#34. To: Skip Intro (#31)
#35. To: mininggold (#33)
Why are you taking the day off?
#36. To: Skip Intro (#31)
Let's say my taxes got cut by $1000. At $33,000,000 Limbaugh's taxes got cut by around $1,650,000.
#37. To: A K A Stone, Skip Intro, mininggold, lucysmom (#11)
How would you come up with a way to take their profits back? That is a dumb idea. You can't just take something away from someone because you covet what they have. Go get a job.
#38. To: Godwinson (#37)
#39. To: Skip Intro, A K A Stone (#31)
Let's say my taxes got cut by $1000. At $33,000,000 Limbaugh's taxes got cut by around $1,650,000.
#40. To: mininggold (#36)
And he probably just started another losing business to cover the tax increase.
#41. To: Godwinson (#39)
Why didn't the Kochs or Exxon create more jobs as their profits rose by billions?
#42. To: A K A Stone, Skip Intro, mininggold, lucysmom (#38)
lol. So you actually want NAFTA to continue. Poser.
#43. To: Godwinson, Skip Intro, mininggold, lucysmom (#37)
#44. To: A K A Stone (#41)
Why didn't the Kochs or Exxon create more jobs as their profits rose by billions?
#45. To: Godwinson (#42)
I said why I think realistically NAFTA can't be overturned. It is like getting a tattoo
#46. To: A K A Stone (#41)
Because they wanted to keep the money they earned I guess. Maybe they don't need anymore help. It is not mine or anyone else's job to make sure that X person has a job. It is an individual responsibility to get your own job.
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