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Title: ACLU: Ala. town cannot impose church sentences
Source: seattlepi.com
URL Source: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/artic ... e-church-sentences-2186079.php
Published: Sep 24, 2011
Author: staff
Post Date: 2011-09-24 05:19:17 by Ferret Mike
Keywords: None
Views: 4017
Comments: 19

BAY MINETTE, Ala. (AP) — A civil liberties group said Friday that an Alabama town should not start an alternative sentencing program that would give non-violent offenders a new choice: Go to jail, or go to church.

Starting next week, the program will allow a city judge to sentence misdemeanor offenders to work off their sentences in jail and pay a fine, or go to church every Sunday for a year. Offenders who select church can pick the place of worship but must check in weekly with the pastor and the police department. If the one-year church attendance program is completed successfully, the offender's case will be dismissed.

"It's an easy choice for me," Bay Minette Police Chief Michael Rowland told WKRG-TV (http://bit.ly/pxO8VN). "If I was given the choice of going to jail and paying a heavy fine or just going to church, I'd certainly select church."

The Alabama branch of the American Civil Liberties Union plans to send Bay Minette officials a letter demanding that they suspend the program. While the group says it supports alternative sentencing programs that save money, it believes the plan in Bay Minette violates the Constitution, state ACLU Executive Director Olivia Turner said in a statement.

"But it is a fundamental principle of the Establishment Clause that the government cannot force someone to attend church," she said. "When the alternative to going to church is going to jail, the so-called 'choice' available to offenders is no choice at all."

City officials did not immediately return calls from The Associated Press.

Pastor Robert Gates of Christian Life Church leads one of 56 congregations participating in the effort. He predicted it would succeed.

"You show me somebody who falls in love with Jesus, and I'll show you a person who won't be a problem to society but that will be an influence and a help to those around them," he told the television station.

Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/ACLU-Ala-town-cannot-impose-church-sentences-2186079.php#ixzz1YrNVNouz

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#2. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

The law is repugnantly unconstitutional...

war  posted on  2011-09-25   12:13:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: war (#2)

The law is repugnantly unconstitutional...

How so? What do you have against churches?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-25   23:27:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A K A Stone (#8)

I have nothing against churches.

war  posted on  2011-09-26   8:44:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: war (#9)

How is is unconstitutional. Can dust off your constitution and quote something for me?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-26   11:35:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#10)

How is is unconstitutional.

It's clearly repugnant to the First Amendment. You cannot compel anyone to attend religious services.

war  posted on  2011-09-26   20:53:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: war (#11)

How is is unconstitutional.

It's clearly repugnant to the First Amendment. You cannot compel anyone to attend religious services.

That isn't in the first amendment. You lose.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-26   21:11:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone (#12) (Edited)

You cannot be compelled to attend any religious service, Stone; it's an establishment of religion and constitutionally repugnant.

I'll let you have your last stupid word from here...

war  posted on  2011-09-26   21:15:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: war (#13)

You cannot be compelled to attend any religious service, Stone; it's an establishment of religion and constitutionally repugnant.

I'll let you have your last stupid word from here...

CONGRESS shall what? Who is it talking about fool? You can't quote from it because you will get cut to shreds.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-26   21:43:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone, war (#14)

War is correct. Church and any aspect of the legal system must be kept separate. You cannot have a religion doing a sales pitch by using the legal system to create a role for ii that would trample the rights for people not to have anything to to with that particular religion.

That is what the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is all about.

Christianity is but one religion in this world where there are more people not into it then there are Christians. It deserves no place in government, and the framers of the Constitution were very wise to have written the First Amendment in order to make sure no one ios ever pressured or forced to be part of a religion they do not believe in nor wish to belong to.

It is you here who are wrong, and you can't one liner your way out of that fact.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-09-27   11:26:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#18. To: Ferret Mike (#16)

Only a moron would believe that those who would flee a nation in which the church and the legal system were entwined would craft a system in which the church and the legal system were...entwined...

The early settlers to Massachusetts excepted...

war  posted on  2011-09-27 11:45:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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