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"Why Young Americans Are Not Taught about Evil" "New Rules For Radicals — How To Reinvent Kamala Harris" "Harris’ problem: She’s a complete phony" Hurricane Beryl strikes Bay City (TX) Who Is ‘Destroying Democracy In Darkness?’ Status: Not Logged In; Sign In United States News See other United States News Articles Title: Uh-Oh..."Obamacare" Is Working... Source: The NY Times URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/22/u ... nsurance-coverage.html?_r=1&hp Published: Sep 22, 2011 Author: Kevin Sack Post Date: 2011-09-22 08:07:41 by war Keywords: None Views: 16853 Comments: 67 Young adults, long the group most likely to be uninsured, are gaining health coverage faster than expected since the 2010 health law began allowing parents to cover them as dependents on family policies. Three new surveys, including two released on Wednesday, show that adults under 26 made significant and unique gains in insurance coverage in 2010 and the first half of 2011. One of them, by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, estimates that in the first quarter of 2011 there were 900,000 fewer uninsured adults in the 19-to-25 age bracket than in 2010. This was despite deep hardship imposed by the recession, which has left young adults unemployed at nearly double the rate of older Americans, with incomes sliding far faster than the national average. The Obama administration, intent on showcasing the benefits of a law that has been pilloried by Republicans, attributes the improvement to a provision of the Affordable Care Act that permits parents to cover dependents up to their 26th birthdays. Until that measure took effect one year ago this week, children typically had to roll off their parents’ family policies at 18 or 21 or when they left college. Some twentysomethings adopted a posture of “young invincibility,” forgoing health insurance they could afford while gambling that they would not incur steep medical expenses. But others, like Kylie R. Logsdon, who credits the provision for enabling her heart transplant in July, were living with chronic or life-threatening conditions and had no prospects for coverage. “I honestly don’t know what we would have done,” said Ms. Logsdon, 23, of Gerlaw, Ill., who gained coverage under her father’s policy after losing her job as a legal secretary. “There was no way we could have afforded it. I might not be here right now.” Last week, the Census Bureau reported that the share of young adults without health insurance dropped in 2010 by 2 percentage points, to 27.2 percent. That decline meant that 502,000 fewer 18- to 24-year-olds were uninsured. Most gained coverage through private policies, not government programs. For every other age group, the proportion without insurance increased, as high unemployment and contractions in employer coverage continued to take their toll. For the first time in more than 10 years, 18- to 24-year-olds were not the least insured group, having been overtaken by those 25 to 34. Kathleen Sebelius, the secretary of health and human services, accentuated the silver lining in an otherwise grim census poverty report by declaring: “The Affordable Care Act is working.” On Wednesday, the C.D.C. released its survey showing that the trend might have accelerated in the first quarter of 2011. That report, the National Health Interview Survey, which differs in methodology from the census count, estimates that 900,000 fewer adults ages 19 to 25 were uninsured in the first quarter of this year than in 2010. Also released Wednesday, a Gallup survey found similar rates in the second quarter of 2011. The Department of Health and Human Services had projected last year that 650,000 uninsured would gain coverage in 2011 because of the provision. Although cause and effect have not been proved, government officials and health industry analysts said they could not imagine another explanation for the change. In the census numbers, young adults were the only age bracket with an increasing share insured by employers (albeit presumably their parents’ employers). “It would be hard to construe it to be anything but the Affordable Care Act,” said Mark F. Olson, a senior actuary with Towers Watson, the human resources consulting firm. There have been no studies of the provision’s impact on cost. But Mr. Olson and several insurance industry spokesmen credited it for raising enrollments and premiums by between 1 percent and 3 percent at many firms. “It’s a basic principle of economics that when more benefits are added to a policy or more people are covered under that policy there are additional costs incurred,” said Robert Zirkelbach, a spokesman for America’s Health Insurance Plans, the industry trade group. “The cost impact is even greater to the extent ‘adverse selection’ occurs, meaning that only people who need health care services choose to enroll in their parents’ plan.” The dependent coverage provision allows parents to insure adult children even if the children are married. Children are not eligible if they have an offer of employer-based coverage. Although the provision did not take effect until Sept. 23, many insurers voluntarily extended their dependent coverage months earlier. A majority of states had recently passed similar laws, but they had varying age limits and did not apply to some large insurance plans. Advocacy groups have worked assiduously to educate students about the new provision. One of the groups, Young Invincibles, is running a campaign this week on 16 college campuses under the inevitable banner of “Friends With Benefits.” Miriam A. Brand, a senior at the University of Maryland, said it gave her profound peace of mind to know she could remain on her father’s group insurance policy for several years while attending graduate school or searching for a first job, preferably in counseling. Ms. Brand, 22, has been managing Type 1 diabetes since she was 6, and she said her medications and supplies cost at least $8,000 a year. “I’m not like most college students,” Ms. Brand said. “I don’t have the luxury of putting medical care to the wayside. Now I have the gift of time in finding a job in this scary job market.” Ms. Sebelius reinforced that point. “In a world where great inventors, entrepreneurs and C.E.O.’s can be young or old,” she told reporters on Wednesday, “we can’t take the chance that the next Facebook will never happen because its creator took a desk job just to get health insurance.” The young adults provision is one of several measures in the health law designed as a stopgap until 2014, when the number of uninsured is expected to drop significantly. Providing the act is not struck down by the Supreme Court or repealed by Congress, most Americans at that point will be required to obtain insurance. Pre-existing condition exclusions will be eliminated for adults, Medicaid eligibility will be expanded and government subsidies will make private coverage more affordable for many. Not all of the stopgap measures have proved as popular as young adult coverage. The pre-existing condition insurance plans created under the law were projected to cover 375,000 otherwise uninsurable people in 2010. Only 30,000 had signed up as of July. Because entry-level jobs frequently do not have health benefits, and individual policies can be unaffordable on a starting salary, the rate of young adults without coverage is nearly double the national average. A Commonwealth Fund survey found that 45 percent of young adults reported delaying medical care because of cost in 2010, up from 32 percent in 2001. Click for Full Text! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: All (#0) Last week, the Census Bureau reported that the share of young adults without health insurance dropped in 2010 by 2 percentage points, to 27.2 percent. That decline meant that 502,000 fewer 18- to 24-year-olds were uninsured. Most gained coverage through private policies, not government programs. America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-09-22   8:10:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: war (#0) No it isn't working war. Young people have no jobs. Obama isn't content with just killing babies in the womb. He wants to kill the future of our friends and relatives, the next generations. Obama is an asshole who doesn't know what the fuck he is doing. Either that or he is purposefully weakening us. Census: Recession taking toll on young adults By HOPE YEN Associated Press Politics Video Advertisement Census Interactives Poverty and Income Rates Nationwide: Released 8/28/07 How Average is Your State? Look at the Latest Census Figures Latest News Census: Recession taking toll on young adults Nearly 1 in 6 Americans in poverty, Census says Buy AP Photo Reprints Audio Slideshow Recession Watch: Consumers and businesses feel the pinch Multimedia A district summary of the Beige Book Measuring economic stress by county nationwide Mall malaise: shoppers browse, but don't buy Unemployment by the numbers Family struggles with father's unemployment Saying an affordable goodbye Hard times hit small car dealer Latest Economic News US stock futures plunge as Fed prepares for slump Protesters vow to camp near Wall St. indefinitely How the major stock indexes fared Tuesday Summary Box: Stocks plunge after Fed statement General Mills, BofA, Oracle are market movers A look at economic developments around the globe Bank of England hints at more stimulus Europe crisis shadows meeting of finance officials IMF: World economy enters 'dangerous new phase' Chinese delegation signs grants with Jamaica WASHINGTON (AP) -- Call it the recession's lost generation. In record-setting numbers, young adults struggling to find work are shunning long-distance moves to live with Mom and Dad, delaying marriage and buying fewer homes, often raising kids out of wedlock. They suffer from the highest unemployment since World War II and risk living in poverty more than others - nearly 1 in 5. New 2010 census data released Thursday show the wrenching impact of a recession that officially ended in mid-2009. It highlights the missed opportunities and dim prospects for a generation of mostly 20-somethings and 30-somethings coming of age in a prolonged slump with high unemployment. "We have a monster jobs problem, and young people are the biggest losers," said Andrew Sum, an economist and director of the Center for Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University. He noted that for recent college grads now getting by with waitressing, bartending and odd jobs, they will have to compete with new graduates for entry-level career positions when the job market eventually does improve. "Their really high levels of underemployment and unemployment will haunt young people for at least another decade," Sum said. Richard Freeman, an economist at Harvard University, added, "These people will be scarred, and they will be called the `lost generation' - in that their careers would not be the same way if we had avoided this economic disaster." Beyond the economy's impact, the new figures also show a rebound in the foreign-born population to 40 million, or 12.9 percent, the highest share since 1920. The 1.4 million increase from 2009 was the biggest since the mid-decade housing boom and could fuel debate in this election season about U.S. immigration strategy. Most immigrants continue to be low-skilled workers from Latin America, with growing numbers from Asia also arriving on the bet that U.S. jobs await. An estimated 11.2 million immigrants are here illegally. Seniors 65 and older tended to return to or stay put in their jobs, accounting for the few U.S. employment gains in recent months. About 1 in 6 older Americans is now in the labor force - the highest level since the 1960s, before more generous Social Security and Medicare benefits made it more attractive to retire. Nationwide, employment among young adults 16-29 stood at 55.3 percent, down from 67.3 percent in 2000 and the lowest since the end of World War II. Young males who lacked a college degree - typically black and Hispanic - were most likely to lose jobs due to reduced demand for blue-collar jobs in construction, manufacturing and transportation during the downturn. Among teens, employment was less than 30 percent. In all, the employment-to-population ratio for all age groups from 2007-2010 dropped faster than for any similar period since the government began tracking the data in 1948. In the past year, 43 of the 50 largest U.S. metropolitan areas continued to post declines in employment, led by Charlotte, N.C., Jacksonville, Fla., Las Vegas, Phoenix, Los Angeles and Detroit, all cities experiencing a severe housing bust, budget deficits or meltdowns in industries such as banking or manufacturing. Without work, young adults aren't starting careers and lives in new cities, instead hanging out with their parents. Among adults 18-34, the share of long-distance moves across state lines fell last year to roughly 3.2 million people, or 4.4 percent, the lowest level since World War II. For college graduates, who historically are more likely to relocate out of state, long-distance moves dipped to 2.4 percent. Opting to stay put, roughly 5.9 million Americans 25-34 last year lived with their parents, an increase of 25 percent from before the recession. Driven by a record 1 in 5 young men who doubled up in households, men are now nearly twice as likely as women to live with their parents. Marriages fell to a record low last year of just 51.4 percent among adults 18 and over, compared with 57 percent in 2000. Among young adults 25-34, marriage was at 44.2 percent, also a new low. Broken down by race and ethnicity, 31 percent of young black men lived in their parents' homes, compared with 21 percent of young Latino men and 15 percent of young white men. At the state level, New York had the highest share of young men living with their parents at 21 percent, followed by New Jersey and Hawaii, all states with higher costs of living. Most of the cities with low percentages of young adults living at home were in the Midwest. Homeownership declined for a fourth consecutive year, to 65.4 percent, following a peak of 67.3 percent in 2006. "Many young adults are essentially postponing adulthood and all of the family responsibilities and extra costs that go along with it," said Mark Mather, an associate vice president at the private Population Reference Bureau. He described a shift toward a new U.S. norm - commonly seen in Europe - in which more people wait until their 30s to leave the parental nest. "Some of these changes started before the recession but now they are accelerating, with effects on families that could be long term," Mather said. In all, the District of Columbia plus 14 states had the largest ratios of college graduates to high-school dropouts - more than 3 to 1. Several of these places, including the District of Columbia and states with larger immigrant populations, also had the widest income gaps between rich and poor. The number of Hispanic children in poverty rose by half a million to 6.1 million last year, led by California, New Mexico, Texas, Arizona and Nevada, making up a majority of the increase in total child poverty. Hispanics now comprise 37 percent of children in poverty, compared with 30 percent for whites and 27 percent for blacks. "We are really at a crossroads," said William H. Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution. "These new young immigrants and their children need a pathway to the middle class - good educations, affordable housing and jobs - at the same time federal and state budgets are strapped for funds. While we face tough choices, the quality of our future labor force depends on meeting their needs." Other census findings: -About 1 in 4 families with children is headed by single mothers, a record high. Among young families with a head of household younger than 30, the poverty rate jumped from 30 percent in 2007 to 37 percent. In contrast, poverty remained at a low 5.7 percent for families with a head of household 65 or older. -The number of households receiving food stamps swelled by 2 million to 13.6 million, meaning that nearly 1 in 8 receives the government aid. The highest shares of recipients are in Oregon, Tennessee, Michigan, Kentucky and Mississippi. Among households receiving food stamps, more than half have children. The 2010 numbers are from the American Community Survey, which queries 3 million households. In some cases, figures are supplemented with data from the Current Population Survey to establish historical trends. --- A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-22   8:11:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: A K A Stone (#2) No it isn't working war. Young people have no jobs. One goal of "Obamacare" is to secure health coverage for people previously uninsured regardless of employment status. Given that this demographic was often one of the largest group of uninsured and given that this demographic is now, as a result of the HCR law, growing in the number of insured, there is not other way to catagorize the law but "as working". Their employment status has Zipola to do with it. America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-09-22   8:18:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: A K A Stone (#2) Reality is apparently a concept Democrats choose to ignore. Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao Badeye  posted on  2011-09-22   8:20:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: war (#0) "Obamacare" Is Working... Did Pravda ever quote Stalin as saying the USSRs Five-Year-Plans were working? __________________________________________________________________________________________ ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate. Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!! Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-22   8:33:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#5) Amazing that not one of you is able to address the issue. Then again, it's not. You can't even admit the reality of weather. America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-09-22   8:39:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: Badeye (#4) Of course more young people are getting health insurance - people like me are paying for it. My insurance went up 17% this year because of the provision in Obama care where young adults, up to the age of 26, can be covered by their parents plan. Why doesn't the government simply confiscate everyone's paycheck, redistribute all the money evenly so that everyone has health insurance and equal pay? Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-09-22   8:51:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: war (#6) Amazing that not one of you is able to address the issue. No - what's amazing is that your pinup is such an absolute failure that you've been reduced to posting propaganda from our version of Pravda to prop his ass up. And you know what? I actually agree with you that "obamacare" is working - if, by working, it's meant it's doing what it was designed to do. __________________________________________________________________________________________ ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate. Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!! Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-22   8:54:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#8) (Edited) What a lighweight rebuttal that was. What a good sheep you are..."NY Times can't be trusted so only accept what [a politician] tells you..." Again, one point of this law was to get more people insured. It's getting more people insured. Believe it or don't - which is typical of your cognative dissonance with reality - but don't mouth moronic platitudes - "The NY Times is Pravda" - which you came by through political propaganda and expect it to be treated with any level of seriousness. America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-09-22   9:01:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: no gnu taxes (#7) Of course more young people are getting health insurance - people like me are paying for it. Health Insurance is a shared risk pool. The people who have children in this age group are paying for it too. People with no children are paying for your wife's ob/gyn and your kids' wellcare. I don;t see you bitching about that, tho... America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-09-22   9:03:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: war (#9) What a good sheep you are..."NY Times can't be trusted so only accept what a apolitician tells you..." - - - -says the man with a politician's pinup after every post. I'm sorry war - but I can no longer take someone seriously with that ridiculous picture. Keep it or lose it - I don't care one way or the other. It reflects on you, not me. You post crap like this to stir debate - fine. But reality has a way of pissing in your corn flakes. If Obamacare is so great, why the hell are his poll numbers in the toilet? Why are dems thinking about primary-ing him out? Oh yeah, right. I guess it's those evil republicans who watch Fox News who have in in for the poor guy. It's Bush's fault. It's Palin's fault. Leftist ideology is full of shit - but keep excusing its failures. Knock yourself out. __________________________________________________________________________________________ ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate. Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!! Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-22   9:15:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#11) I'm sorry war - but I can no longer take someone seriously with that ridiculous picture. Keep it or lose it - I don't care one way or the other. It reflects on you, not me. That's not my problem...it's yours. If Obamacare is so great, why the hell are his poll numbers in the toilet? Given the economy, his number should be worse. The fact is, the GOP is even worse. Their behavior over the debt ceiling stablized Obama's numbers while their's took a hit. Oddly, they learned nothing from that and are now begging for more over the stopgap funding. The GOP STILL doesn't understand the results of the 2010 election. My guess is that they never will and next year when they lose House seats, lose the WH and make no headway in the US Senate, they still won't. Perry's speech yesterday was just another gross miscalculation by a GOP candidate. To try to effectively isolate the President, as Perry did, by giving speech before a group of people who would put the interests of another nation on an equal or greater footing than the interests of the US, WAS treasonous. But you'll never hold that kind of behavior accountable. Why are dems thinking about primary-ing him out? In dreams...Obama has a gazillion bucks that every Dem knows will be needed for the general. America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-09-22   9:25:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: war (#1) When will Obamacare come into effect where someone can purchase cheap insurance? With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction. Godwinson  posted on  2011-09-22   9:37:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: war (#0) Young adults, long the group most likely to be uninsured, are gaining health coverage faster than expected since the 2010 health law began allowing parents to cover them as dependents on family policies. Next step: Granfather me, us into Medicare/VA program...8D mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-22   9:43:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: Godwinson (#13) When will Obamacare come into effect where someone can purchase cheap insurance? Medicare/VA for all. OR we can just do a Super Conference thing with what's left o the USSA. The Top 50 000's call....8D mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-22   9:44:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: Godwinson (#13) When will Obamacare come into effect where someone can purchase cheap insurance? That's a failing of the plan. There isn't. Over the long term, costs increasing at a lower rate is not going to translate into cheap insurance. It's why the single payer option needed to be included. America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-09-22   9:45:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: war (#12) The GOP STILL doesn't understand the results of the 2010 election. My guess is that they never will and next year when they lose House seats, lose the WH and make no headway in the US Senate, they still won't. Bookmarked __________________________________________________________________________________________ ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate. Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!! Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-22   9:50:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#17) Perry's speech yesterday was just another gross miscalculation by a GOP candidate. To try to effectively isolate the President, as Perry did, by giving speech before a group of people who would put the interests of another nation on an equal or greater footing than the interests of the US, WAS treasonous. But you'll never hold that kind of behavior accountable. America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-09-22   9:52:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: war (#18) Perry's not going to be the nominee. __________________________________________________________________________________________ ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate. Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!! Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-22   9:54:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#19) (Edited) Perry's not going to be the nominee. Bookmarked. But you, as usual, avoided the issue. America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-09-22   9:59:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: war (#20) But you, as usual, avoided the issue. What issue is that? That the GOP sucks? You'll get no argument from me. __________________________________________________________________________________________ ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate. Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!! Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-22   10:03:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#21) What issue is that? Perry's speech yesterday was just another gross miscalculation by a GOP candidate. To try to effectively isolate the President, as Perry did, by giving speech before a group of people who would put the interests of another nation on an equal or greater footing than the interests of the US, WAS treasonous. But you'll never hold that kind of behavior accountable. America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-09-22   10:05:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: war (#22) But you'll never hold that kind of behavior accountable. Well I can't be everywhere and doing all things. My initials are G.O.D., but c'mon! I see Perry as a distraction, at best. The GOP establishment was scared to hell of the Tea Party (until they were able to co-opt it). They needed an "establishment" person to deflect some of Bachman's unexpected support. Once she's been marginalized (which has apparently happened, btw), Perry will conveniently self-destruct so as to pave the way for Rommney. It's the GOP way - nominate the next in line. So no, there's no point in holding him "accountable", since he's not going to be the nominee. __________________________________________________________________________________________ ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate. Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!! Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-22   10:16:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#23) (Edited) I see Perry as a distraction, at best. The GOP establishment was scared to hell of the Tea Party (until they were able to co-opt it). They needed an "establishment" person to deflect some of Bachman's unexpected support. The trend in the GOP since Bob Dole is to reward the regressively stupid. There's no other conclusion to the analysis of why DumbDumbv43 was nominated...why the Angle's and O'Donnell's get nominated...why Bachmann and Palin and now Perry are popular. The GOP establishment was scared to hell of the Tea Party (until they were able to co-opt it). Oh yea...that was one helluva job co-opting [think you mean co-apt] the establishment did on the debt deal and now the stopgap bill. Should the GOP manuever Romney as the nominee you will see a viable [to the "right"] third party candidate not only emerge but run and ensure Obama's re-election. The 800lb gorilla in the GOP room is that it is and has been a dying party - thanks to DumbDumbv43 and The Evil Dick. America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-09-22   10:25:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: war (#24) The trend in the GOP since Bob Dole is to reward the regressively stupid. There's no other conclusion to the analysis of why DumbDumbv43 was nominated... Your obsession with Bush43 aside, I disagree. John McClown was a lot a negative things, but "regressively stupid" was not among them. why the Angle's and O'Donnell's get nominated...why Bachmann and Palin and now Perry are popular. Silly me. I thought we were discussing POTUS nominees. My bad. Bachmann and Palin will never get past the GOP establishment and be the nominees. And I've already addressed the Perry situation. Oh yea...that was one helluva job co-opting [think you mean co-apt] the establishment did on the debt deal and now the stopgap bill. Merely a bump in the road. Granted, some of the freshmen congresspeople have not been in DC long enough to have "seen the light." Give the McConnells and Boehners more time, though, and you'll see . . . Should the GOP manuever Romney as the nominee you will see a viable [to the "right"] third party candidate not only emerge but run and ensure Obama's re-election. Now THAT may actually happen. I can't think of anyone who would poll more than 3-5 percent in a national election, though. Can you? The 800lb gorilla in the GOP room is that it is and has been a dying party - thanks to DumbDumbv43 and The Evil Dick. Again, putting your obsession with Bush43 and members of his admin aside - the death of the GOP can't come soon enough for me. Perhaps then a true opposition party might arise. __________________________________________________________________________________________ ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate. Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!! Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-22   10:44:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#25) John McClown was a lot a negative things, but "regressively stupid" was not among them. How else could you explain his choice of Palin? Any chance that he had of getting the intellectual center went bye-bye with that pick. He was ***thinking*** with his Johnson. Even his own advisors rebelled against it. Silly me. I thought we were discussing POTUS nominees. My bad. It's rare that the nominee is not a reflection of the greatest influence within the party. Obama is an exception. He had an op who knew how to play the quirks in the dems nominating system, i.e. the caucus format - especially in Texas. It's pretty clear, tho, that had Hillary won there would have been minimal dissatisfaction with either the base or the independents. Not so in the GOP. I'd like to see a poll of likely voters, exclusively GOP, and see how those numbers break out. My money says that you'd see Newt poll better and Romney poll worse. Now THAT may actually happen. I can't think of anyone who would poll more than 3-5 percent in a national election, though. Can you? I'd put it closer to 10%. Wallace won 4 states with 7 or 8% of the vote... If you go to any election year in which there was political or social catharsis, you ALWAYS find a viable 3rd party candidate. America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-09-22   10:59:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: war (#26) How else could you explain his choice of Palin? Any chance that he had of getting the intellectual center went bye-bye with that pick. He was ***thinking*** with his Johnson. Even his own advisors rebelled against it. McClown was going to lose no matter what. His choice of Palin was a "hail-Mary" pass which, if the polls AFTER her pick and BEFORE his implosion re: the debt crisis can be believed, actually put him ahead or within striking distance of Obama. Wallace won 4 states with 7 or 8% of the vote... If you go to any election year in which there was political or social catharsis, you ALWAYS find a viable 3rd party candidate. But I still don't see anyone on the horizon who could pull those kinds of numbers - and they would have to to have an effect on the outcome (IMO). Palin. No way. Bachmann. I don't think she'd do it. Perry. Ditto. Oddly, the person who MIGHT would be this era's Perot - i.e. Donald Trump. __________________________________________________________________________________________ ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate. Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!! Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-22   11:20:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#27) (Edited) But I still don't see anyone on the horizon who could pull those kinds of numbers Ross Perot was probably the flakiest candidate to ever nominate then un- nominate then renominate himself. He got nearly 20% of the vote and the far right is 100x's more pissed off this year than they were in 1992. I am telling you, it's @ 5-4 if Romney ISN'T the nominee that you still get a third party candidate out of the GOP fringe. It doesn't matter how much they poll. What matters is the groundswell that elevates them to run. You have, probably for the first time ever, three people - two are running - who have serious potential to be 3rd party candidates...one of them has serious potential to be the nominee... I don't see how the GOP comes out of the nominating process next year unfractured. America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-09-22   11:27:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: no gnu taxes (#7) Of course more young people are getting health insurance - people like me are paying for it. My insurance went up 17% this year because of the provision in Obama care where young adults, up to the age of 26, can be covered by their parents plan. Pretty sure I noted in this forum I dropped my health insurance after this last price hike from Aetna. I'll use the VA if any medical related issues arise. We did keep the coverage for my wife, but only because she's not a veteran. The thing is, 95% of the living population can't do this. With each passing day, it becomes more evident that Owe-bama and the Democrats policies have absolutely failed beyond any reasonable doubt. That just leaves the completely 'unreasonable' as their defenders, as we see here in the forum, and throughout much of the mainstream media. But even the media is now beginning to report the utterly obvious, as we've seen recently from the NYT, CBS, and ABC. As it sinks in this is a one term President, that significant change will pick up speed. The MSM will remain, and they have a direct business interest in remaining viable. The past 48 hours on the stockmarket sure is telling as it relates to confidence.... Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao Badeye  posted on  2011-09-22   12:49:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: Badeye (#29) I'll use the VA if any medical related issues arise. Another one who was against BIG government before he was for it... America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-09-22   12:53:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: Badeye (#29) With each passing day, it becomes more evident that Owe-bama and the Democrats policies have absolutely failed beyond any reasonable doubt. I'll use the VA if any medical related issues arise. To honor America’s veterans and expand the services they receive, the Fiscal Year 2010 Budget increases funding for the Department of Veterans Affairs by $25 billion over the next five years. The Budget includes an 11percent increase in resources for a discretionary funding level of $55.9 billion. The Budget increases health care funding for veterans, enabling the VA to provide timely, high-quality care to 5.5 million veterans, develop Centers for Excellence, and enhance access to mental and cognitive care. It also restores health care eligibility for modest-income veterans, steps up investment in technology for the delivery of services and benefits to veterans, and provides improved benefits for veterans who are medically retired from active duty. The Budget provides for a collaborative pilot program with nonprofit organizations to help veterans avoid homelessness, and for the timely implementation of the Post-9/11 GI Bill to Americans who have served the country though military duty. America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-09-22   12:56:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: Badeye (#29) (Edited) With each passing day, it becomes more evident that Owe-bama and the Democrats policies have absolutely failed beyond any reasonable doubt. I'll use the VA if any medical related issues arise. The Bush administration’s budget assumes cuts to funding for veterans’ health care two years from now — even as badly wounded troops returning from Iraq could overwhelm the system. Bush is using the cuts, critics say, to help fulfill his pledge to balance the budget by 2012. But even administration allies say the numbers are not real and are being used to make the overall budget picture look better. After an increase sought for next year, the Bush budget would turn current trends on their head. Even though the cost of providing medical care to veterans has been growing rapidly — by more than 10 percent in many years — White House budget documents assume consecutive cutbacks in 2009 and 2010 and a freeze thereafter. The proposed cuts are unrealistic in light of recent VA budget trends — its medical care budget has risen every year for two decades and 83 percent in the six years since Bush took office — sowing suspicion that the White House is simply making them up to make its long-term deficit figures look better. America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-09-22   12:58:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #33. To: Fred Mertz, lucysmom, mininggold, Skip Intro, go65 (#32) Look who loves Big Government!!!! America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-09-22   13:09:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: war (#33) (Edited) Look who loves Big Government!!!! Putting on my psychic hat, I see Badeye claiming it's a benefit he EARNED (unlike government employee benefits which are stolen from the tax payer). "...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly lucysmom  posted on  2011-09-22   13:21:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #35. To: war (#28) a third party candidate out of the GOP fringe. And the GOP fringe would be... what...? Anyone who TRULY wants the welfare/warfare state ended? WHAT is "fringe" thinking, in your opinion? To :Skippy, toe-jam, old man Fred Alzheimers Mertz, _jim, loonymom/ming, e-type-jackoff, goober56, Wrek, calcon, dummy DwarF, continental op, Biff, gobsheit and meguro From: Capitalist Eric Message: You're SOCIALIST morons. ESAD. Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-09-22   13:26:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #36. To: lucysmom (#34) (Edited) I have no issue with him using the VA. None. When all is said and done Boofer did serve and he deserves all of the benefits. My issue here is his rank hypocrisy...a) the man he supported continually cut or underfunded veteran's services and changed rules so that disabled vets lost their veteran status and couldn't get VA benefits while b) claiming that dem policies, which include INCREASED FUNDING for the VA and veteran support programs, have FAILED and, finally, c) that when the free market "screws" [sic] him he turns to the government. He's such a "successful" businessman? He claims that he can lease a vanity vehicle for $600 a month, own a motorcycle, a house surrounded by woods that is oddly on a "cliff" and all of the other crap that he loves to brag about "owning" but he can't afford health insurance? My ass.... America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-09-22   13:30:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #37. To: Capitalist Eric (#35) WHAT is "fringe" thinking, in your opinion? Far sides of center... America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" --Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... war  posted on  2011-09-22   13:31:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #38. To: lucysmom (#34) No, goofy. I'll just note people like me served so you could make dumb comments, freely, in America. You're welcome, btw. Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao Badeye  posted on  2011-09-22   13:48:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #39. To: war (#36) My issue here is his rank hypocrisy... Mine too. "...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly lucysmom  posted on  2011-09-22   13:56:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #40. To: Badeye (#38) See post #36 "...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly lucysmom  posted on  2011-09-22   13:57:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #41. To: lucysmom (#40) See post #36 There isn't one. Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao Badeye  posted on  2011-09-22   13:58:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply         .       .       . Comments (42 - 67) not displayed. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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