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Title: Uh-Oh..."Obamacare" Is Working...
Source: The NY Times
URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/22/u ... nsurance-coverage.html?_r=1&hp
Published: Sep 22, 2011
Author: Kevin Sack
Post Date: 2011-09-22 08:07:41 by war
Keywords: None
Views: 16836
Comments: 67

Young adults, long the group most likely to be uninsured, are gaining health coverage faster than expected since the 2010 health law began allowing parents to cover them as dependents on family policies.

Three new surveys, including two released on Wednesday, show that adults under 26 made significant and unique gains in insurance coverage in 2010 and the first half of 2011. One of them, by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, estimates that in the first quarter of 2011 there were 900,000 fewer uninsured adults in the 19-to-25 age bracket than in 2010.

This was despite deep hardship imposed by the recession, which has left young adults unemployed at nearly double the rate of older Americans, with incomes sliding far faster than the national average.

The Obama administration, intent on showcasing the benefits of a law that has been pilloried by Republicans, attributes the improvement to a provision of the Affordable Care Act that permits parents to cover dependents up to their 26th birthdays. Until that measure took effect one year ago this week, children typically had to roll off their parents’ family policies at 18 or 21 or when they left college.

Some twentysomethings adopted a posture of “young invincibility,” forgoing health insurance they could afford while gambling that they would not incur steep medical expenses. But others, like Kylie R. Logsdon, who credits the provision for enabling her heart transplant in July, were living with chronic or life-threatening conditions and had no prospects for coverage.

“I honestly don’t know what we would have done,” said Ms. Logsdon, 23, of Gerlaw, Ill., who gained coverage under her father’s policy after losing her job as a legal secretary. “There was no way we could have afforded it. I might not be here right now.”

Last week, the Census Bureau reported that the share of young adults without health insurance dropped in 2010 by 2 percentage points, to 27.2 percent. That decline meant that 502,000 fewer 18- to 24-year-olds were uninsured. Most gained coverage through private policies, not government programs.

For every other age group, the proportion without insurance increased, as high unemployment and contractions in employer coverage continued to take their toll. For the first time in more than 10 years, 18- to 24-year-olds were not the least insured group, having been overtaken by those 25 to 34.

Kathleen Sebelius, the secretary of health and human services, accentuated the silver lining in an otherwise grim census poverty report by declaring: “The Affordable Care Act is working.”

On Wednesday, the C.D.C. released its survey showing that the trend might have accelerated in the first quarter of 2011. That report, the National Health Interview Survey, which differs in methodology from the census count, estimates that 900,000 fewer adults ages 19 to 25 were uninsured in the first quarter of this year than in 2010. Also released Wednesday, a Gallup survey found similar rates in the second quarter of 2011.

The Department of Health and Human Services had projected last year that 650,000 uninsured would gain coverage in 2011 because of the provision.

Although cause and effect have not been proved, government officials and health industry analysts said they could not imagine another explanation for the change. In the census numbers, young adults were the only age bracket with an increasing share insured by employers (albeit presumably their parents’ employers).

“It would be hard to construe it to be anything but the Affordable Care Act,” said Mark F. Olson, a senior actuary with Towers Watson, the human resources consulting firm.

There have been no studies of the provision’s impact on cost. But Mr. Olson and several insurance industry spokesmen credited it for raising enrollments and premiums by between 1 percent and 3 percent at many firms.

“It’s a basic principle of economics that when more benefits are added to a policy or more people are covered under that policy there are additional costs incurred,” said Robert Zirkelbach, a spokesman for America’s Health Insurance Plans, the industry trade group. “The cost impact is even greater to the extent ‘adverse selection’ occurs, meaning that only people who need health care services choose to enroll in their parents’ plan.”

The dependent coverage provision allows parents to insure adult children even if the children are married. Children are not eligible if they have an offer of employer-based coverage.

Although the provision did not take effect until Sept. 23, many insurers voluntarily extended their dependent coverage months earlier. A majority of states had recently passed similar laws, but they had varying age limits and did not apply to some large insurance plans.

Advocacy groups have worked assiduously to educate students about the new provision. One of the groups, Young Invincibles, is running a campaign this week on 16 college campuses under the inevitable banner of “Friends With Benefits.”

Miriam A. Brand, a senior at the University of Maryland, said it gave her profound peace of mind to know she could remain on her father’s group insurance policy for several years while attending graduate school or searching for a first job, preferably in counseling. Ms. Brand, 22, has been managing Type 1 diabetes since she was 6, and she said her medications and supplies cost at least $8,000 a year.

“I’m not like most college students,” Ms. Brand said. “I don’t have the luxury of putting medical care to the wayside. Now I have the gift of time in finding a job in this scary job market.”

Ms. Sebelius reinforced that point. “In a world where great inventors, entrepreneurs and C.E.O.’s can be young or old,” she told reporters on Wednesday, “we can’t take the chance that the next Facebook will never happen because its creator took a desk job just to get health insurance.”

The young adults provision is one of several measures in the health law designed as a stopgap until 2014, when the number of uninsured is expected to drop significantly.

Providing the act is not struck down by the Supreme Court or repealed by Congress, most Americans at that point will be required to obtain insurance. Pre-existing condition exclusions will be eliminated for adults, Medicaid eligibility will be expanded and government subsidies will make private coverage more affordable for many.

Not all of the stopgap measures have proved as popular as young adult coverage. The pre-existing condition insurance plans created under the law were projected to cover 375,000 otherwise uninsurable people in 2010. Only 30,000 had signed up as of July.

Because entry-level jobs frequently do not have health benefits, and individual policies can be unaffordable on a starting salary, the rate of young adults without coverage is nearly double the national average. A Commonwealth Fund survey found that 45 percent of young adults reported delaying medical care because of cost in 2010, up from 32 percent in 2001.

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#5. To: war (#0)

"Obamacare" Is Working...

Did Pravda ever quote Stalin as saying the USSRs Five-Year-Plans were working?

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-22   8:33:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#5)

Amazing that not one of you is able to address the issue.

Then again, it's not. You can't even admit the reality of weather.

war  posted on  2011-09-22   8:39:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: war (#6)

Amazing that not one of you is able to address the issue.

No - what's amazing is that your pinup is such an absolute failure that you've been reduced to posting propaganda from our version of Pravda to prop his ass up.

And you know what? I actually agree with you that "obamacare" is working - if, by working, it's meant it's doing what it was designed to do.

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-22   8:54:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#8) (Edited)

What a lighweight rebuttal that was.

What a good sheep you are..."NY Times can't be trusted so only accept what [a politician] tells you..."

Again, one point of this law was to get more people insured. It's getting more people insured. Believe it or don't - which is typical of your cognative dissonance with reality - but don't mouth moronic platitudes - "The NY Times is Pravda" - which you came by through political propaganda and expect it to be treated with any level of seriousness.

war  posted on  2011-09-22   9:01:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: war (#9)

What a good sheep you are..."NY Times can't be trusted so only accept what a apolitician tells you..."

- - - -says the man with a politician's pinup after every post.

I'm sorry war - but I can no longer take someone seriously with that ridiculous picture. Keep it or lose it - I don't care one way or the other. It reflects on you, not me.

You post crap like this to stir debate - fine. But reality has a way of pissing in your corn flakes. If Obamacare is so great, why the hell are his poll numbers in the toilet? Why are dems thinking about primary-ing him out?

Oh yeah, right. I guess it's those evil republicans who watch Fox News who have in in for the poor guy. It's Bush's fault. It's Palin's fault.

Leftist ideology is full of shit - but keep excusing its failures.

Knock yourself out.

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-22   9:15:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#11)

I'm sorry war - but I can no longer take someone seriously with that ridiculous picture. Keep it or lose it - I don't care one way or the other. It reflects on you, not me.

That's not my problem...it's yours.

If Obamacare is so great, why the hell are his poll numbers in the toilet?

Given the economy, his number should be worse. The fact is, the GOP is even worse. Their behavior over the debt ceiling stablized Obama's numbers while their's took a hit. Oddly, they learned nothing from that and are now begging for more over the stopgap funding.

The GOP STILL doesn't understand the results of the 2010 election. My guess is that they never will and next year when they lose House seats, lose the WH and make no headway in the US Senate, they still won't.

Perry's speech yesterday was just another gross miscalculation by a GOP candidate. To try to effectively isolate the President, as Perry did, by giving speech before a group of people who would put the interests of another nation on an equal or greater footing than the interests of the US, WAS treasonous.

But you'll never hold that kind of behavior accountable.

Why are dems thinking about primary-ing him out?

In dreams...Obama has a gazillion bucks that every Dem knows will be needed for the general.

war  posted on  2011-09-22   9:25:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: war (#12)

The GOP STILL doesn't understand the results of the 2010 election. My guess is that they never will and next year when they lose House seats, lose the WH and make no headway in the US Senate, they still won't.

Bookmarked

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-22   9:50:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#17)

Perry's speech yesterday was just another gross miscalculation by a GOP candidate. To try to effectively isolate the President, as Perry did, by giving speech before a group of people who would put the interests of another nation on an equal or greater footing than the interests of the US, WAS treasonous.

But you'll never hold that kind of behavior accountable.

war  posted on  2011-09-22   9:52:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: war (#18)

Perry's not going to be the nominee.

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-22   9:54:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#19) (Edited)

Perry's not going to be the nominee.

Bookmarked.

But you, as usual, avoided the issue.

war  posted on  2011-09-22   9:59:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: war (#20)

But you, as usual, avoided the issue.

What issue is that? That the GOP sucks?

You'll get no argument from me.

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-22   10:03:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#21)

What issue is that?

Perry's speech yesterday was just another gross miscalculation by a GOP candidate. To try to effectively isolate the President, as Perry did, by giving speech before a group of people who would put the interests of another nation on an equal or greater footing than the interests of the US, WAS treasonous.

But you'll never hold that kind of behavior accountable.

war  posted on  2011-09-22   10:05:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: war (#22)

But you'll never hold that kind of behavior accountable.

Well I can't be everywhere and doing all things. My initials are G.O.D., but c'mon!

I see Perry as a distraction, at best. The GOP establishment was scared to hell of the Tea Party (until they were able to co-opt it). They needed an "establishment" person to deflect some of Bachman's unexpected support.

Once she's been marginalized (which has apparently happened, btw), Perry will conveniently self-destruct so as to pave the way for Rommney.

It's the GOP way - nominate the next in line.

So no, there's no point in holding him "accountable", since he's not going to be the nominee.

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-22   10:16:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#23) (Edited)

I see Perry as a distraction, at best. The GOP establishment was scared to hell of the Tea Party (until they were able to co-opt it). They needed an "establishment" person to deflect some of Bachman's unexpected support.

The trend in the GOP since Bob Dole is to reward the regressively stupid. There's no other conclusion to the analysis of why DumbDumbv43 was nominated...why the Angle's and O'Donnell's get nominated...why Bachmann and Palin and now Perry are popular.

The GOP establishment was scared to hell of the Tea Party (until they were able to co-opt it).

Oh yea...that was one helluva job co-opting [think you mean co-apt] the establishment did on the debt deal and now the stopgap bill.

Should the GOP manuever Romney as the nominee you will see a viable [to the "right"] third party candidate not only emerge but run and ensure Obama's re-election.

The 800lb gorilla in the GOP room is that it is and has been a dying party - thanks to DumbDumbv43 and The Evil Dick.

war  posted on  2011-09-22   10:25:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: war (#24)

The trend in the GOP since Bob Dole is to reward the regressively stupid. There's no other conclusion to the analysis of why DumbDumbv43 was nominated...
Your obsession with Bush43 aside, I disagree. John McClown was a lot a negative things, but "regressively stupid" was not among them.

why the Angle's and O'Donnell's get nominated...why Bachmann and Palin and now Perry are popular.
Silly me. I thought we were discussing POTUS nominees. My bad.

Bachmann and Palin will never get past the GOP establishment and be the nominees. And I've already addressed the Perry situation.

Oh yea...that was one helluva job co-opting [think you mean co-apt] the establishment did on the debt deal and now the stopgap bill.
Merely a bump in the road. Granted, some of the freshmen congresspeople have not been in DC long enough to have "seen the light."

Give the McConnells and Boehners more time, though, and you'll see . . .

Should the GOP manuever Romney as the nominee you will see a viable [to the "right"] third party candidate not only emerge but run and ensure Obama's re-election.
Now THAT may actually happen. I can't think of anyone who would poll more than 3-5 percent in a national election, though. Can you?

The 800lb gorilla in the GOP room is that it is and has been a dying party - thanks to DumbDumbv43 and The Evil Dick.
Again, putting your obsession with Bush43 and members of his admin aside - the death of the GOP can't come soon enough for me.

Perhaps then a true opposition party might arise.

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-22   10:44:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#25)

John McClown was a lot a negative things, but "regressively stupid" was not among them.

How else could you explain his choice of Palin? Any chance that he had of getting the intellectual center went bye-bye with that pick. He was ***thinking*** with his Johnson. Even his own advisors rebelled against it.

Silly me. I thought we were discussing POTUS nominees. My bad.

It's rare that the nominee is not a reflection of the greatest influence within the party. Obama is an exception. He had an op who knew how to play the quirks in the dems nominating system, i.e. the caucus format - especially in Texas.

It's pretty clear, tho, that had Hillary won there would have been minimal dissatisfaction with either the base or the independents.

Not so in the GOP.

I'd like to see a poll of likely voters, exclusively GOP, and see how those numbers break out. My money says that you'd see Newt poll better and Romney poll worse.

Now THAT may actually happen. I can't think of anyone who would poll more than 3-5 percent in a national election, though. Can you?

I'd put it closer to 10%. Wallace won 4 states with 7 or 8% of the vote...

If you go to any election year in which there was political or social catharsis, you ALWAYS find a viable 3rd party candidate.

war  posted on  2011-09-22   10:59:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: war (#26)

How else could you explain his choice of Palin? Any chance that he had of getting the intellectual center went bye-bye with that pick. He was ***thinking*** with his Johnson. Even his own advisors rebelled against it.
McClown was going to lose no matter what. His choice of Palin was a "hail-Mary" pass which, if the polls AFTER her pick and BEFORE his implosion re: the debt crisis can be believed, actually put him ahead or within striking distance of Obama.

Wallace won 4 states with 7 or 8% of the vote...

If you go to any election year in which there was political or social catharsis, you ALWAYS find a viable 3rd party candidate.

But I still don't see anyone on the horizon who could pull those kinds of numbers - and they would have to to have an effect on the outcome (IMO).

Palin. No way. Bachmann. I don't think she'd do it. Perry. Ditto. Oddly, the person who MIGHT would be this era's Perot - i.e. Donald Trump.

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-22   11:20:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#27) (Edited)

But I still don't see anyone on the horizon who could pull those kinds of numbers

Ross Perot was probably the flakiest candidate to ever nominate then un- nominate then renominate himself. He got nearly 20% of the vote and the far right is 100x's more pissed off this year than they were in 1992.

I am telling you, it's @ 5-4 if Romney ISN'T the nominee that you still get a third party candidate out of the GOP fringe.

It doesn't matter how much they poll. What matters is the groundswell that elevates them to run.

You have, probably for the first time ever, three people - two are running - who have serious potential to be 3rd party candidates...one of them has serious potential to be the nominee...

I don't see how the GOP comes out of the nominating process next year unfractured.

war  posted on  2011-09-22   11:27:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: war (#28)

a third party candidate out of the GOP fringe.

And the GOP fringe would be... what...?

Anyone who TRULY wants the welfare/warfare state ended?

WHAT is "fringe" thinking, in your opinion?

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-09-22   13:26:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Capitalist Eric (#35)

WHAT is "fringe" thinking, in your opinion?

Far sides of center...

war  posted on  2011-09-22   13:31:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: war, Capitalist Eric (#37)

WHAT is "fringe" thinking, in your opinion?

Far sides of center...

Most of us probably think of ourselves as "centrists" - after all, no one wants to be thought of as a fringe thinker. Why, someone may call us a kook.

The problem is - "Centrism" has gotten us to where we are today - "centrism" will not get us out.

History - good and bad - is influenced by the fringe thinkers. The Founders, I'm sure, were considered kooks for thinking they could oppose the British Crown. On the flip side, I'm sure that Marx too was considered a kook.

We've had the luxury in recent years to be able to afford "centrism" - but that's about to come to an end. Centrists have no real ideology - they tend to go with the wind.

The future belongs to the kooks. Someone's ideology is going to prevail. And the "centrists" of the future will declare - after the dust has settled - that the new paradigm is the new center.

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-22   14:37:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#49)

"Centrism" has gotten us to where we are today...

The fluidity of the electorate should not be confused with a fixed point on a political scale.

People were scared shitless in 2001 and bought into the neocon bullshit for a few years thereafter before moving back to center by 2004. Had the dems run an actual candidate that year, he'd have beaten DumbDumbv43 with ease.

We saw the same fear drive the 2008 election in which a candidate near the fringe to the left was able to triumph over his more centrist opponent for the nomination and then a centrist candidate for POTUS.

Anyway, fast forward to now where we've - seemingly - gone from one extreme to the other in one cycle. You've had a POTUS forced to the center by circumstance and he's found it to be a total vacuum...he's also fo0und his comfort level there and it's resonating.

Seriously, don't you believe, given the economy alone, that Obama should be 9- 10 pts lower than he is?

war  posted on  2011-09-22   14:50:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: war (#51)

The fluidity of the electorate should not be confused with a fixed point on a political scale.

People were scared shitless in 2001 and bought into the neocon bullshit for a few years thereafter before moving back to center by 2004. Had the dems run an actual candidate that year, he'd have beaten DumbDumbv43 with ease.

We saw the same fear drive the 2008 election in which a candidate near the fringe to the left was able to triumph over his more centrist opponent for the nomination and then a centrist candidate for POTUS.

Obama? Near the fringe to the left? Now we're making progress.
Anyway, fast forward to now where we've - seemingly - gone from one extreme to the other in one cycle.
See - this is one way in which you and I differ. I would certainly not say we've gone from one "extreme" to the other. While one branch of the ruling party did make gains at the expense of the other branch, nothing of substance has changed or will change. The bankrupt ship of state sails merrily on.

The change I'm talking about will be monumental change. A sea-change, if you will. Along the lines of the American and French revolutions.

And it will be driven by those on the fringe - i.e. kooks.

You've had a POTUS forced to the center by circumstance and he's found it to be a total vacuum...he's also fo0und his comfort level there and it's resonating.
I will grant that - unlike Clinton - Obama IS a left-wing ideologue (Clinton was just a good ole boy pol) - so I don't see where you get that he is "comfortable." He's not. And whatever "it" is, it is certainly not resonating.
Seriously, don't you believe, given the economy alone, that Obama should be 9- 10 pts lower than he is?
I attribute it to his Q factor.

In rating TV personalities, there used to be something called the Q factor. (related to how popular celebrities were with the public on a subliminal level).

Let's admit it - I'm a right-wing ideologue, so nothing Obama could ever do would make me "like" him. Likewise, you're a left-wing ideologue, so the same could be said for you re: Bush43.

But to the masses who do not follow politics closely, things like Q factors matter. The best answer I can give to your question (and it's only my opinion - I cannot cite a reference to back it up), is that Obama has a high Q factor.

Few other pols I would say have high Q factors - Only Clinton comes immediately to mind.

Pols like Hillary, however, have low Q factors (although hers has makedly improved since becoming SofS.) Nixon, likewise, had a low Q factor. It's amazing he ever succeeded in a career like politics.

Just to stay on this for a moment and finish it out - I wouldn't say someone like Palin has a high Q factor. She's too much of a lightning rod - people either LOVE her or HATE her.

So - we'll just have to see how this all plays out.

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-22   15:52:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#60) (Edited)

Obama? Near the fringe to the left? Now we're making progress.

I challenge you to find a post where I advocated that he was anywhere else on that spectrum...until now. He's definitely recently done what just about evey POTUS except DumbDumbv43 has done...govern from the Center.

Likewise, you're a left-wing ideologue

Hardly. I'm a pragmatist.

Few other pols I would say have high Q factors - Only Clinton comes immediately to mind

Reagan had it...his version of biting his lower lip and apologizing got him off the hook...

So - we'll just have to see how this all plays out.

It's not going to play out well for the GOP. Whichever side wins is going to, in the end, lose.

war  posted on  2011-09-22   16:02:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: war (#61)

Likewise, you're a left-wing ideologue

Hardly. I'm a pragmatist.

In the same vein as James Carville, maybe

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-22   16:06:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#62)

In the same vein as James Carville, maybe

If you took the morality police squad out of your party you'd be 100x's more popular. Dems have a myopia about some social segments that gets overlooked because of your party's penchant for bedroom and womb micromanagement...

war  posted on  2011-09-22   16:09:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#64. To: war (#63)

If you took the morality police squad out of your party

I'm not affiliated with any party, but I'm closest in ideology to the Libertarians. I was not aware they had a morality police squad.

If you're speaking of the GOP, however, I'd have to agree with you to a certain extent.

The GOP has done NOTHING for so-called social issues - so their pandering to those who want them to is disingenuous at best. Other than pander, they have no intention of really doing anything.

Full disclosure (I'm pro-life, so that puts me at odds with the most libertarian Libertarians. But to me, I see no conflict in gov't protecting the lives of the most helpless among us. If gov't does not exist in the least to protect helpless life, then it's existence truly is un-merited. But I really don't want to get into that issue now.)

As to other so-called "social issues", I'm definitely Libertarian. Gov't should have no role in them.

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-22 16:20:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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