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Title: Uh-Oh..."Obamacare" Is Working...
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URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/22/u ... nsurance-coverage.html?_r=1&hp
Published: Sep 22, 2011
Author: Kevin Sack
Post Date: 2011-09-22 08:07:41 by war
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Young adults, long the group most likely to be uninsured, are gaining health coverage faster than expected since the 2010 health law began allowing parents to cover them as dependents on family policies. Three new surveys, including two released on Wednesday, show that adults under 26 made significant and unique gains in insurance coverage in 2010 and the first half of 2011. One of them, by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, estimates that in the first quarter of 2011 there were 900,000 fewer uninsured adults in the 19-to-25 age bracket than in 2010. This was despite deep hardship imposed by the recession, which has left young adults unemployed at nearly double the rate of older Americans, with incomes sliding far faster than the national average. The Obama administration, intent on showcasing the benefits of a law that has been pilloried by Republicans, attributes the improvement to a provision of the Affordable Care Act that permits parents to cover dependents up to their 26th birthdays. Until that measure took effect one year ago this week, children typically had to roll off their parents’ family policies at 18 or 21 or when they left college. Some twentysomethings adopted a posture of “young invincibility,” forgoing health insurance they could afford while gambling that they would not incur steep medical expenses. But others, like Kylie R. Logsdon, who credits the provision for enabling her heart transplant in July, were living with chronic or life-threatening conditions and had no prospects for coverage. “I honestly don’t know what we would have done,” said Ms. Logsdon, 23, of Gerlaw, Ill., who gained coverage under her father’s policy after losing her job as a legal secretary. “There was no way we could have afforded it. I might not be here right now.” Last week, the Census Bureau reported that the share of young adults without health insurance dropped in 2010 by 2 percentage points, to 27.2 percent. That decline meant that 502,000 fewer 18- to 24-year-olds were uninsured. Most gained coverage through private policies, not government programs. For every other age group, the proportion without insurance increased, as high unemployment and contractions in employer coverage continued to take their toll. For the first time in more than 10 years, 18- to 24-year-olds were not the least insured group, having been overtaken by those 25 to 34. Kathleen Sebelius, the secretary of health and human services, accentuated the silver lining in an otherwise grim census poverty report by declaring: “The Affordable Care Act is working.” On Wednesday, the C.D.C. released its survey showing that the trend might have accelerated in the first quarter of 2011. That report, the National Health Interview Survey, which differs in methodology from the census count, estimates that 900,000 fewer adults ages 19 to 25 were uninsured in the first quarter of this year than in 2010. Also released Wednesday, a Gallup survey found similar rates in the second quarter of 2011. The Department of Health and Human Services had projected last year that 650,000 uninsured would gain coverage in 2011 because of the provision. Although cause and effect have not been proved, government officials and health industry analysts said they could not imagine another explanation for the change. In the census numbers, young adults were the only age bracket with an increasing share insured by employers (albeit presumably their parents’ employers). “It would be hard to construe it to be anything but the Affordable Care Act,” said Mark F. Olson, a senior actuary with Towers Watson, the human resources consulting firm. There have been no studies of the provision’s impact on cost. But Mr. Olson and several insurance industry spokesmen credited it for raising enrollments and premiums by between 1 percent and 3 percent at many firms. “It’s a basic principle of economics that when more benefits are added to a policy or more people are covered under that policy there are additional costs incurred,” said Robert Zirkelbach, a spokesman for America’s Health Insurance Plans, the industry trade group. “The cost impact is even greater to the extent ‘adverse selection’ occurs, meaning that only people who need health care services choose to enroll in their parents’ plan.” The dependent coverage provision allows parents to insure adult children even if the children are married. Children are not eligible if they have an offer of employer-based coverage. Although the provision did not take effect until Sept. 23, many insurers voluntarily extended their dependent coverage months earlier. A majority of states had recently passed similar laws, but they had varying age limits and did not apply to some large insurance plans. Advocacy groups have worked assiduously to educate students about the new provision. One of the groups, Young Invincibles, is running a campaign this week on 16 college campuses under the inevitable banner of “Friends With Benefits.” Miriam A. Brand, a senior at the University of Maryland, said it gave her profound peace of mind to know she could remain on her father’s group insurance policy for several years while attending graduate school or searching for a first job, preferably in counseling. Ms. Brand, 22, has been managing Type 1 diabetes since she was 6, and she said her medications and supplies cost at least $8,000 a year. “I’m not like most college students,” Ms. Brand said. “I don’t have the luxury of putting medical care to the wayside. Now I have the gift of time in finding a job in this scary job market.” Ms. Sebelius reinforced that point. “In a world where great inventors, entrepreneurs and C.E.O.’s can be young or old,” she told reporters on Wednesday, “we can’t take the chance that the next Facebook will never happen because its creator took a desk job just to get health insurance.” The young adults provision is one of several measures in the health law designed as a stopgap until 2014, when the number of uninsured is expected to drop significantly. Providing the act is not struck down by the Supreme Court or repealed by Congress, most Americans at that point will be required to obtain insurance. Pre-existing condition exclusions will be eliminated for adults, Medicaid eligibility will be expanded and government subsidies will make private coverage more affordable for many. Not all of the stopgap measures have proved as popular as young adult coverage. The pre-existing condition insurance plans created under the law were projected to cover 375,000 otherwise uninsurable people in 2010. Only 30,000 had signed up as of July. Because entry-level jobs frequently do not have health benefits, and individual policies can be unaffordable on a starting salary, the rate of young adults without coverage is nearly double the national average. A Commonwealth Fund survey found that 45 percent of young adults reported delaying medical care because of cost in 2010, up from 32 percent in 2001.
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#27. To: war (#26)
If you go to any election year in which there was political or social catharsis, you ALWAYS find a viable 3rd party candidate. Palin. No way. Bachmann. I don't think she'd do it. Perry. Ditto. Oddly, the person who MIGHT would be this era's Perot - i.e. Donald Trump.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ Ross Perot was probably the flakiest candidate to ever nominate then un- nominate then renominate himself. He got nearly 20% of the vote and the far right is 100x's more pissed off this year than they were in 1992. I am telling you, it's @ 5-4 if Romney ISN'T the nominee that you still get a third party candidate out of the GOP fringe. It doesn't matter how much they poll. What matters is the groundswell that elevates them to run. You have, probably for the first time ever, three people - two are running - who have serious potential to be 3rd party candidates...one of them has serious potential to be the nominee... I don't see how the GOP comes out of the nominating process next year unfractured.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Pretty sure I noted in this forum I dropped my health insurance after this last price hike from Aetna. I'll use the VA if any medical related issues arise. We did keep the coverage for my wife, but only because she's not a veteran. The thing is, 95% of the living population can't do this. With each passing day, it becomes more evident that Owe-bama and the Democrats policies have absolutely failed beyond any reasonable doubt. That just leaves the completely 'unreasonable' as their defenders, as we see here in the forum, and throughout much of the mainstream media. But even the media is now beginning to report the utterly obvious, as we've seen recently from the NYT, CBS, and ABC. As it sinks in this is a one term President, that significant change will pick up speed. The MSM will remain, and they have a direct business interest in remaining viable. The past 48 hours on the stockmarket sure is telling as it relates to confidence....
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Another one who was against BIG government before he was for it...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
I'll use the VA if any medical related issues arise. To honor America’s veterans and expand the services they receive, the Fiscal Year 2010 Budget increases funding for the Department of Veterans Affairs by $25 billion over the next five years. The Budget includes an 11percent increase in resources for a discretionary funding level of $55.9 billion. The Budget increases health care funding for veterans, enabling the VA to provide timely, high-quality care to 5.5 million veterans, develop Centers for Excellence, and enhance access to mental and cognitive care. It also restores health care eligibility for modest-income veterans, steps up investment in technology for the delivery of services and benefits to veterans, and provides improved benefits for veterans who are medically retired from active duty. The Budget provides for a collaborative pilot program with nonprofit organizations to help veterans avoid homelessness, and for the timely implementation of the Post-9/11 GI Bill to Americans who have served the country though military duty.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
I'll use the VA if any medical related issues arise. The Bush administration’s budget assumes cuts to funding for veterans’ health care two years from now — even as badly wounded troops returning from Iraq could overwhelm the system. Bush is using the cuts, critics say, to help fulfill his pledge to balance the budget by 2012. But even administration allies say the numbers are not real and are being used to make the overall budget picture look better. After an increase sought for next year, the Bush budget would turn current trends on their head. Even though the cost of providing medical care to veterans has been growing rapidly — by more than 10 percent in many years — White House budget documents assume consecutive cutbacks in 2009 and 2010 and a freeze thereafter. The proposed cuts are unrealistic in light of recent VA budget trends — its medical care budget has risen every year for two decades and 83 percent in the six years since Bush took office — sowing suspicion that the White House is simply making them up to make its long-term deficit figures look better.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Look who loves Big Government!!!!
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Putting on my psychic hat, I see Badeye claiming it's a benefit he EARNED (unlike government employee benefits which are stolen from the tax payer).
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
And the GOP fringe would be... what...? Anyone who TRULY wants the welfare/warfare state ended? WHAT is "fringe" thinking, in your opinion?
To :Skippy, toe-jam, old man Fred Alzheimers Mertz, _jim, loonymom/ming, e-type-jackoff, goober56, Wrek, calcon, dummy DwarF, continental op, Biff, gobsheit and meguro I have no issue with him using the VA. None. When all is said and done Boofer did serve and he deserves all of the benefits. My issue here is his rank hypocrisy...a) the man he supported continually cut or underfunded veteran's services and changed rules so that disabled vets lost their veteran status and couldn't get VA benefits while b) claiming that dem policies, which include INCREASED FUNDING for the VA and veteran support programs, have FAILED and, finally, c) that when the free market "screws" [sic] him he turns to the government. He's such a "successful" businessman? He claims that he can lease a vanity vehicle for $600 a month, own a motorcycle, a house surrounded by woods that is oddly on a "cliff" and all of the other crap that he loves to brag about "owning" but he can't afford health insurance? My ass....
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Far sides of center...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
No, goofy. I'll just note people like me served so you could make dumb comments, freely, in America. You're welcome, btw.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Mine too.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
See post #36
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
There isn't one.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Perhaps not for you, but it's there for the rest of us.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Funny how on the Tony Bennett thread you said that military service had nothing to do with being able to speak freely: #7. To: Sebastian (#0) "Of course he has the right to say anything he wants - that has absolutely nothing to do with military service - but this just makes him look like a kook." Badeye posted on 2011-09-21 9:29:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Boofer doesn't have me on bozo...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
What! He's pretending he can't see your posts? That's dishonest!
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Of course more young people are getting health insurance - people like me are paying for it. My insurance went up 17% this year because of the provision in Obama care where young adults, up to the age of 26, can be covered by their parents plan. Pretty sure I noted in this forum I dropped my health insurance after this last price hike from Aetna. I'll use the VA if any medical related issues arise. We did keep the coverage for my wife, but only because she's not a veteran. The thing is, 95% of the living population can't do this. With each passing day, it becomes more evident that Owe-bama and the Democrats policies have absolutely failed beyond any reasonable doubt. That just leaves the completely 'unreasonable' as their defenders, as we see here in the forum, and throughout much of the mainstream media. But even the media is now beginning to report the utterly obvious, as we've seen recently from the NYT, CBS, and ABC. As it sinks in this is a one term President, that significant change will pick up speed. The MSM will remain, and they have a direct business interest in remaining viable. The past 48 hours on the stockmarket sure is telling as it relates to confidence.... Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao Badeye posted on 2011-09-22 12:49:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #34. To: war (#33) (Edited) Look who loves Big Government!!!! Putting on my psychic hat, I see Badeye claiming it's a benefit he EARNED (unlike government employee benefits which are stolen from the tax payer). "...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly lucysmom posted on 2011-09-22 13:21:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #35. To: war (#28) a third party candidate out of the GOP fringe. And the GOP fringe would be... what...? Anyone who TRULY wants the welfare/warfare state ended? WHAT is "fringe" thinking, in your opinion? To :Skippy, toe-jam, old man Fred Alzheimers Mertz, _jim, loonymom/ming, e-type-jackoff, goober56, Wrek, calcon, dummy DwarF, continental op, Biff, gobsheit and meguro From: Capitalist Eric Message: You're SOCIALIST morons. ESAD. Capitalist Eric posted on 2011-09-22 13:26:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #38. To: lucysmom (#34) No, goofy. I'll just note people like me served so you could make dumb comments, freely, in America. You're welcome, btw. Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao Badeye posted on 2011-09-22 13:48:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Edit -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #39. To: war (#36) My issue here is his rank hypocrisy... Mine too. "...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly lucysmom posted on 2011-09-22 13:56:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #40. To: Badeye (#38) See post #36 "...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly lucysmom posted on 2011-09-22 13:57:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #41. To: lucysmom (#40) See post #36 There isn't one. Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao Badeye posted on 2011-09-22 13:58:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Edit -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #42. To: Badeye (#41) There isn't one. Perhaps not for you, but it's there for the rest of us. "...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly lucysmom posted on 2011-09-22 14:01:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #45. To: war (#44) Boofer doesn't have me on bozo... What! He's pretending he can't see your posts? That's dishonest! "...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly lucysmom posted on 2011-09-22 14:09:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
So?
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
On Boofer's version of Monopoly the Reading RR is replaced with The ShortBus Line...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Far sides of center... Most of us probably think of ourselves as "centrists" - after all, no one wants to be thought of as a fringe thinker. Why, someone may call us a kook. The problem is - "Centrism" has gotten us to where we are today - "centrism" will not get us out. History - good and bad - is influenced by the fringe thinkers. The Founders, I'm sure, were considered kooks for thinking they could oppose the British Crown. On the flip side, I'm sure that Marx too was considered a kook. We've had the luxury in recent years to be able to afford "centrism" - but that's about to come to an end. Centrists have no real ideology - they tend to go with the wind. The future belongs to the kooks. Someone's ideology is going to prevail. And the "centrists" of the future will declare - after the dust has settled - that the new paradigm is the new center.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ So I didn't see the post you mentioned. That you have to ask once again is just another example of why I refer to you as 'goofy' goofy.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
The fluidity of the electorate should not be confused with a fixed point on a political scale. People were scared shitless in 2001 and bought into the neocon bullshit for a few years thereafter before moving back to center by 2004. Had the dems run an actual candidate that year, he'd have beaten DumbDumbv43 with ease. We saw the same fear drive the 2008 election in which a candidate near the fringe to the left was able to triumph over his more centrist opponent for the nomination and then a centrist candidate for POTUS. Anyway, fast forward to now where we've - seemingly - gone from one extreme to the other in one cycle. You've had a POTUS forced to the center by circumstance and he's found it to be a total vacuum...he's also fo0und his comfort level there and it's resonating. Seriously, don't you believe, given the economy alone, that Obama should be 9- 10 pts lower than he is?
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Boof...you can't be this stupid...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
I thought maybe he thought I was that stupid.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Actually to keep the record straight, you generally refer to her as the mom of goofy.
It's like the Jesus on South Park asking the crowd to turn around as he "changes" the water into wine...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
He won't be able to comprehend that.
You and fredo, and of course, goofy, want to pretend that. Gee, liberals pretending they are victims...dog bites man, film at eleven.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
He continually provides evidence that English is at best his second language.
You and fredo, and of course, goofy, want to pretend that. Gee, liberals pretending they are victims...dog bites man, film at eleven. The database doesn't lie.
People were scared shitless in 2001 and bought into the neocon bullshit for a few years thereafter before moving back to center by 2004. Had the dems run an actual candidate that year, he'd have beaten DumbDumbv43 with ease. We saw the same fear drive the 2008 election in which a candidate near the fringe to the left was able to triumph over his more centrist opponent for the nomination and then a centrist candidate for POTUS. The change I'm talking about will be monumental change. A sea-change, if you will. Along the lines of the American and French revolutions. And it will be driven by those on the fringe - i.e. kooks. In rating TV personalities, there used to be something called the Q factor. (related to how popular celebrities were with the public on a subliminal level). Let's admit it - I'm a right-wing ideologue, so nothing Obama could ever do would make me "like" him. Likewise, you're a left-wing ideologue, so the same could be said for you re: Bush43. But to the masses who do not follow politics closely, things like Q factors matter. The best answer I can give to your question (and it's only my opinion - I cannot cite a reference to back it up), is that Obama has a high Q factor. Few other pols I would say have high Q factors - Only Clinton comes immediately to mind. Pols like Hillary, however, have low Q factors (although hers has makedly improved since becoming SofS.) Nixon, likewise, had a low Q factor. It's amazing he ever succeeded in a career like politics. Just to stay on this for a moment and finish it out - I wouldn't say someone like Palin has a high Q factor. She's too much of a lightning rod - people either LOVE her or HATE her. So - we'll just have to see how this all plays out.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ I challenge you to find a post where I advocated that he was anywhere else on that spectrum...until now. He's definitely recently done what just about evey POTUS except DumbDumbv43 has done...govern from the Center. Likewise, you're a left-wing ideologue Hardly. I'm a pragmatist. Few other pols I would say have high Q factors - Only Clinton comes immediately to mind Reagan had it...his version of biting his lower lip and apologizing got him off the hook... So - we'll just have to see how this all plays out. It's not going to play out well for the GOP. Whichever side wins is going to, in the end, lose.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Hardly. I'm a pragmatist. In the same vein as James Carville, maybe
__________________________________________________________________________________________ If you took the morality police squad out of your party you'd be 100x's more popular. Dems have a myopia about some social segments that gets overlooked because of your party's penchant for bedroom and womb micromanagement...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
I'm not affiliated with any party, but I'm closest in ideology to the Libertarians. I was not aware they had a morality police squad. If you're speaking of the GOP, however, I'd have to agree with you to a certain extent. The GOP has done NOTHING for so-called social issues - so their pandering to those who want them to is disingenuous at best. Other than pander, they have no intention of really doing anything. Full disclosure (I'm pro-life, so that puts me at odds with the most libertarian Libertarians. But to me, I see no conflict in gov't protecting the lives of the most helpless among us. If gov't does not exist in the least to protect helpless life, then it's existence truly is un-merited. But I really don't want to get into that issue now.) As to other so-called "social issues", I'm definitely Libertarian. Gov't should have no role in them.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ I'm surprised that you let that one go... Could you imagine if Clinton had said, "In my heart I did not believe that I had sexual relations with that woman...?" No one had Reagan's Q Factor...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
How far are you willing to go to protect innocent life? Would that, for example, include prenatal medical care, access to food necessary to protect the health of the unborn - what about a safe place for the mom and fetus to live?
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Me personally? Within my sphere of influence, I have done all those things. If you're asking about government's legitimate role, however, it has none - beyond allowing a fetus to be born (the right to life). And - as I indicated earlier, I do not wish to delve further into this topic. That is all I'll say about it.
__________________________________________________________________________________________How else could you explain his choice of Palin? Any chance that he had of getting the intellectual center went bye-bye with that pick. He was ***thinking*** with his Johnson. Even his own advisors rebelled against it.
McClown was going to lose no matter what. His choice of Palin was a "hail-Mary" pass which, if the polls AFTER her pick and BEFORE his implosion re: the debt crisis can be believed, actually put him ahead or within striking distance of Obama. Wallace won 4 states with 7 or 8% of the vote...
But I still don't see anyone on the horizon who could pull those kinds of numbers - and they would have to to have an effect on the outcome (IMO). 
ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!
#28. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#27)
(Edited)
But I still don't see anyone on the horizon who could pull those kinds of numbers
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#29. To: no gnu taxes (#7)
Of course more young people are getting health insurance - people like me are paying for it. My insurance went up 17% this year because of the provision in Obama care where young adults, up to the age of 26, can be covered by their parents plan.
#30. To: Badeye (#29)
I'll use the VA if any medical related issues arise.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#31. To: Badeye (#29)
With each passing day, it becomes more evident that Owe-bama and the Democrats policies have absolutely failed beyond any reasonable doubt.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#32. To: Badeye (#29)
(Edited)
With each passing day, it becomes more evident that Owe-bama and the Democrats policies have absolutely failed beyond any reasonable doubt.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#33. To: Fred Mertz, lucysmom, mininggold, Skip Intro, go65 (#32)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#34. To: war (#33)
(Edited)
Look who loves Big Government!!!!
#35. To: war (#28)
a third party candidate out of the GOP fringe.
From: Capitalist Eric Message:
You're SOCIALIST morons. ESAD.
#36. To: lucysmom (#34)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#37. To: Capitalist Eric (#35)
WHAT is "fringe" thinking, in your opinion?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#38. To: lucysmom (#34)
#39. To: war (#36)
My issue here is his rank hypocrisy...
#40. To: Badeye (#38)
#41. To: lucysmom (#40)
See post #36
#42. To: Badeye (#41)
There isn't one.
#43. To: Badeye (#38)
(Edited)
No, goofy. I'll just note people like me served so you could make dumb comments, freely, in America.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#44. To: lucysmom (#42)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#45. To: war (#44)
Boofer doesn't have me on bozo...
#46. To: lucysmom (#45)
#29. To: no gnu taxes (#7)
#47. To: Badeye (#46)
#48. To: lucysmom (#47)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#49. To: war, Capitalist Eric (#37)
WHAT is "fringe" thinking, in your opinion?
ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!
#50. To: lucysmom (#47)
So?
#51. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#49)
"Centrism" has gotten us to where we are today...
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#52. To: Badeye (#50)
So I didn't see the post you mentioned.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#53. To: war, Badeye (#52)
Boof...you can't be this stupid...
#54. To: Badeye (#50)
So I didn't see the post you mentioned. That you have to ask once again is just another example of why I refer to you as 'goofy' goofy.
#55. To: lucysmom (#53)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#56. To: mininggold (#54)
#57. To: mininggold (#54)
#58. To: Fred Mertz (#56)
He won't be able to comprehend that.
#59. To: Badeye (#57)
ininggold
#60. To: war (#51)
The fluidity of the electorate should not be confused with a fixed point on a political scale.
Obama? Near the fringe to the left? Now we're making progress. Anyway, fast forward to now where we've - seemingly - gone from one extreme to the other in one cycle.
See - this is one way in which you and I differ. I would certainly not say we've gone from one "extreme" to the other. While one branch of the ruling party did make gains at the expense of the other branch, nothing of substance has changed or will change. The bankrupt ship of state sails merrily on. You've had a POTUS forced to the center by circumstance and he's found it to be a total vacuum...he's also fo0und his comfort level there and it's resonating.
I will grant that - unlike Clinton - Obama IS a left-wing ideologue (Clinton was just a good ole boy pol) - so I don't see where you get that he is "comfortable." He's not. And whatever "it" is, it is certainly not resonating. Seriously, don't you believe, given the economy alone, that Obama should be 9- 10 pts lower than he is?
I attribute it to his Q factor. ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!
#61. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#60)
(Edited)
Obama? Near the fringe to the left? Now we're making progress.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#62. To: war (#61)
Likewise, you're a left-wing ideologue
ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!
#63. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#62)
In the same vein as James Carville, maybe
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#64. To: war (#63)
If you took the morality police squad out of your party
ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!
#65. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#64)
Reagan had it...his version of biting his lower lip and apologizing got him off the hook...
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#66. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#64)
Full disclosure (I'm pro-life, so that puts me at odds with the most libertarian Libertarians. But to me, I see no conflict in gov't protecting the lives of the most helpless among us. If gov't does not exist in the least to protect helpless life, then it's existence truly is un-merited. But I really don't want to get into that issue now.)
#67. To: lucysmom (#66)
How far are you willing to go to protect innocent life? Would that, for example, include prenatal medical care, access to food necessary to protect the health of the unborn - what about a safe place for the mom and fetus to live?
ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!
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