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Title: Tony Bennett in bizarre rant as he claims 'America caused 9/11' and 'George Bush told me he regretted the war in Iraq'
Source: Daily Mail Online
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... ed-Iraq-rant-Howard-Stern.html
Published: Sep 20, 2011
Author: Daily Mail Reporter
Post Date: 2011-09-20 23:28:17 by Sebastian
Keywords: None
Views: 44422
Comments: 64

Tony Bennett spoke about 9/11 and the Iraq war on Howard Stern's Sirius radio show

Tony Bennett spoke about 9/11 and the Iraq war on Howard Stern's Sirius radio show

Legendary singer Tony Bennett said in an interview with Howard Stern on Monday night that 'we caused' the 9/11 attacks.

He also went on to say that  President George W. Bush confided in him that the war in Iraq was a mistake.

Speaking on Stern's Sirius Radio show, Mr Bennett, who describes himself as a pacifist, said: 'They flew the plane in, but we caused it.

'Because we were bombing them and they told us to stop.'

Stern had asked the singer, a World War II vet, how the U.S. should deal with the terrorists responsible for the World Trade Centre attacks.

'But who are the terrorists?' Mr Bennett said, according to ABC News.

'Are we the terrorists or are they the terrorists? Two wrongs don't make a right.'

The 85-year-old spoke of the night in 2005 when then-President Bush made that astonishing statement.

Mr Bennett said: 'He told me personally that night that, he said, 'I think I made a mistake".' 

The event was in honour of Mr Bennett and he said he believed Mr Bush made the admission because he liked the singer.

Mr Bennett said that his experiences as a teenager in combat in the Second World War forever changed his position on war.

Haunting: Bennett said his views on war and 9/11 are shaped by his time in the U.S. Army during the Second World War

Haunting: Bennett said his views on war and 9/11 are shaped by his time in the U.S. Army during the Second World War

'I'm anti-war,' he said. 'It's the lowest form of human behaviour.'

He was drafted by the U.S. Army in November 1944 and served as an infantryman in Europe, moving across France, and later into Germany.

He said: 'The Germans were frightened. We were frightened. Nobody wanted to kill anybody when we were on the line, but the weapons were so strong that it overcame us and everybody else.

Glittering occasion: Bennett at his 85th birthday gala in New York on Sunday, joined daughters Joanna, far left, Antonia, far right, and friend Susan Crow

The day before his controversial remarks Bennett celebrated his 85th birthday gala in New York on Sunday, joined daughters Joanna, far left, Antonia, far right, and Susan Crow

Mr Bennett credited the Army with allowing him to study singing.
But he also admitted that his two years of service gave him enough time to witness the horrors of war.

He said: 'The first time I saw a dead German, that's when I became a pacifist.'

He told Mr Stern that he was left forever shaken by the sight of death.

The big guns were there: Former President Bill Clinton joins Bennett on stage at his 85th Birthday Gala in New York on Sunday

The big guns were there: Former President Bill Clinton joins Bennett on stage at his 85th Birthday Gala in New York on Sunday

Mr Bennett said: 'It was a nightmare that's permanent.

'I just said, "This is not life. This is not life".'

That's why, he added, that he agrees with Mr Bush.

He said: 'To start a war in Iraq was a tremendous, tremendous mistake internationally.'

The night before, Mr Bennett, who is currently promoting his new album, Duets II, enjoyed a star-studded party in his honour at his 85th Birthday Gala Benefit for Exploring the Arts at The Metropolitan Opera House in New York.

Guests included Bill Clinton, Elton John and Robert DeNiro.

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#1. To: Sebastian (#0)

Haunting: Bennett said his views on war and 9/11 are shaped by his time in the U.S. Army during the Second World War

'I'm anti-war,' he said. 'It's the lowest form of human behaviour.'

He was drafted by the U.S. Army in November 1944 and served as an infantryman in Europe, moving across France, and later into Germany.

He said: 'The Germans were frightened. We were frightened. Nobody wanted to kill anybody when we were on the line, but the weapons were so strong that it overcame us and everybody else.

He's going to catch a lot of flak for what he said.

But I'd say he's earned the right to say it.

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ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-21   8:02:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Sebastian (#0)

He said this on Stern last week too...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-21   8:15:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Sebastian (#0)

Here's Bizarre:

Only record of cheney activity from 9-10 AM is....

cheney....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-21   9:06:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: All (#3)

#

# Mystery surrounds loss of records, art on 9/11 - CBS News http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2.../main20085876.shtmlCached - Add to iGoogle You +1'd this publicly. Undo Jul 30, 2011 – 11, 2001, attacks destroyed tens of thousands of records, .... "We do not have a detailed list" of the missing records, Coleman said in an email. ...

Mystery of the lost art and records that vanished in 9/11 attacks | Mail ... www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Mystery-lost-art-records-vanished-9-11-attacks.ht... You +1'd this publicly. Undo Jul 31, 2011 – Twenty-one libraries were destroyed, including that of The Journal of .... 'We do not have a detailed list' of the missing records, Coleman said in ...

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-21   9:08:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: All (#4)

# Complete 911 Timeline: Insider Trading and Other Foreknowledge www.historycommons.org › ... › Afghanistan › Complete 911 TimelineCached - Similar You +1'd this publicly. Undo [BBC, 9/17/2001] It will also be reported shortly after 9/11 that “Italian stock .... 11/16/2001] US soldiers will later find forged visas, altered passports, listings ... The FBI, which is not told about this lead until after 9/11, interrogates and then releases him. .... [Agence France-Presse, 9/17/2001] Suspicious inquiries into the short ...

# Loose Change (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change_(film)Cached - Similar You +1'd this publicly. Undo Another version of the film, Loose Change 9/11: An American Coup, released .... options were placed on the stock of American Airlines, Boeing and United Airlines. ... on film, which the government confiscated and has refused to release in full. ... These allegations follow a listing of buildings that burned longer than the Twin ...

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-21   9:09:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Sebastian (#0)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-21   9:26:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Sebastian (#0)

'Just shut up and sing' comes to mind. Of course he has the right to say anything he wants - that has absolutely nothing to do with military service - but this just makes him look like a kook.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-09-21   9:29:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Sebastian, Get Outta Dodge!, war, mcgowanjm, Badeye (#0)

Notice the Soviet like spin on the article's title from the news article which calls a thoughtful expression "bizarre" when it is in fact a reflection of what every expert in the region has stated.

The guy is a WW2 vet, an accomplished artist (both song and paintings) and he is still going strong at 85 years and has a lifetime of accomplishments and behavior that has never been termed bizarre but say an opinion that contradicts the party line and suddenly he is 'bizarre'.

You poor American bastards living under a subtle totalitarian regime (which has more people in prisons than the old USSR did and red China) and you don't even know it.

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-09-21   9:41:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Badeye (#7)

Of course he has the right to say anything he wants - that has absolutely nothing to do with military service - but this just makes him look like a kook.

I wouldn't have phrased it that way - "America caused 9/11" - but I've tried to get past the sound bytes and consider what is behind this train of thought.

You can easily dismiss it when it's a statist whacko like Michael Moore or a religious whacko like Louis Farrakhan saying it, but it's more difficult when it's someone like this. Bennett has seen the horrors of war up close and personal - I tend to give more weight to what people like that say.

Putting right or wrong motives aside for a moment - the truth is the US HAS interfered in other nations' political affairs. That is an indisputable fact. And, when a nation does that, it is not unreasonable to expect blow-back.

I AM NOT SAYING THE JIHADISTS WERE JUSTIFIED IN ATTACKING US ON 9/11. What I am saying is this: when nation #1 is perceived as meddling in nation #2's internal affairs, it is not surprising that perceived meddling will create resentment by lunatic factions in nation #2 and they will attempt to retaliate.

Ron Paul is accused of being a {{{shudder}}}} isolationist (he's not), but this is the point he tries to make and gets shouted down for it. We are not minding our own business here at home (or have we already solved problems like illegal immigration and a crappy economy?).

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ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-21   10:09:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Godwinson (#8)

Notice the Soviet like spin on the article's title from the news article which calls a thoughtful expression "bizarre" when it is in fact a reflection of what every expert in the region has stated.

You seem to like statism in all forms - and the more, the better.

So why are you complaining about "Soviet like spin."? The old Pravda, Izvestia, and The New York Times are the natural results of statist governments.

Get used to it.

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ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-21   10:12:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Godwinson (#8)

NORAD/SS/FAA still lying.

Nothing else makes sense.

And why haven't we seen those 80+ Camera shots of the Pentagon?

How hard is it for a 757 to crash into the Pentagon and....wait for it...

Not One Pic of same....Not one.

Like Jackie O saying LBJ murdered her husband.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-21   10:25:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#1)

He's going to catch a lot of flak for what he said.

Mostly from people using relying on their initial kneejerk reaction,instead of their minds. BTW,this includes Tony Bennett to a certain extent.

He is right when it comes to the mythical country of "Arabia/Muslimandia" feeling under attack from America,and the attacks on 9-11 being counter attacks in THEIR minds. Face it,the typical Muslim ain't exactly the most informed and unbiased mind out there. Most of them get most of their VERY pro-Muslim/anti-Christian/Anti-west news from their religious cult leader in one form or another,so it is only natural for most of them to see an invasion of a Muslim country (Iraq and Afghanistan) as a attack on all of them.

And since a combined force of every military branch from every Muslim nation in the world on the US would last MAYBE 15 minutes against the US military,guerrilla/terrorist methods are the only methods available to them.

He is wrong when he starts mumbling the "but who are the terrorists?" nonsense. Not quite as wrong as the neo-Con RINO and neo-com Dims are with their insane policy of continuing to attack rifle carriers instead of the bankers and the clerics who keep pushing the ignorant brainwashed religious loons out the door and handing them rifles,but still wrong.

What HE isn't seeing is that the majority of American are as brainwashed as the ignorant Muslim peasants,and think the 9-11 attacks were unprovoked and THEY are now screaming for counter attacks.

He is also wrong with his kneejerk "give peace a chance" nonsense once the blood has started flowing. ALMOST as wrong as the politicians that want us to believe and who MAYBE believe themselves that the way to win a war is to kill tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of Privates,instead of taking out the leadership. The REAL leadership,not the field leadership. The politicians,clerics,and international financiers that issue the orders from the top and provide the political cover and the financing. Kill or nullify the efforts of these people in some other way and there will be no reason to kill hundreds of thousands of Privates.

Of course,none of the politicians or religious leaders want to do this because they fear the enemy will start targeting THEM instead of anonymous citizens and Privates.

This is a culture war and the only way to win it is to influence the culture of the enemy. You don't do this by killing goatherders. You do it by killing or intimidating the cultural leaders to the point where they quit pushing Jihad for profits and power.

While the methods being used now are good for the economy and good for politicians who represent areas who benefit from war industry jobs,it's not good for the country or the people who have to do the actual fighting.

Or for the cause of World Peace/Whirled Peas,either.

But I'd say he's earned the right to say it.

That he did.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-09-21   11:41:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Godwinson (#8)

The guy is a WW2 vet, an accomplished artist (both song and paintings) and he is still going strong at 85 years and has a lifetime of accomplishments and behavior that has never been termed bizarre but say an opinion that contradicts the party line and suddenly he is 'bizarre'.

Well,since even a broken clock is right twice a day,I guess it shouldn't be too shocking to see you being right about something once or twice a year.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-09-21   11:44:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#9)

You can easily dismiss it when it's a statist whacko like Michael Moore or a religious whacko like Louis Farrakhan saying it, but it's more difficult when it's someone like this. Bennett has seen the horrors of war up close and personal - I tend to give more weight to what people like that say.

Not only that,but he has been mostly apolitical his entire life. Not saying he hasn't voted or supported different candidates,but he has never been out there promoting one party or national candidate over another.

BTW,he was just on tv a few minutes ago saying he had been misunderstood,and that nobody loved America more than he does,and that he has a fuller explanation of what he meant on a web site. Presumably his own web site.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-09-21   11:52:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: sneakypete (#12)

Excellent post, but if we were to do as you say, we'd have to go after "our friends" the Saudis.

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ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-21   12:14:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#10)

You seem to like statism in all forms - and the more, the better.

I like statism in some of its forms because thanks to statism we have civilization - no rugged individuals built the first canal zones in Mesopotamia, etc.

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-09-21   12:16:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: sneakypete, Get Outta Dodge! (#14) (Edited)

BTW,he was just on tv a few minutes ago saying he had been misunderstood,and that nobody loved America more than he does,and that he has a fuller explanation of what he meant on a web site. Presumably his own web site.

He has to clarify his statement for the FOX right wing whacko nationalists. Left leaners are not the ones being offended by Bennett's comments - its the right wing kneejerk tea party types that are jumoing all over this.

It's the Dixie Chicks all over again - I guess the right wing whack job contingent (and this article is from a right wing leaning neocon rag in the UK) fears that these messages will filter down to their mind control right wing zombies and change their minds - and they can't let that happen.

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-09-21   12:18:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: sneakypete (#14)

he has a fuller explanation of what he meant on a web site

I found it here

A Statement from Tony Bennett (clarifying comments made on yesterday's Howard Stern program):

I am so grateful to be an American and as a World War II veteran, I was proud to fight to protect our values, which have made America the greatest country on the planet.

There is simply no excuse for terrorism and the murder of the nearly 3,000 innocent victims of the 9/11 attacks on our country.

My life experiences - ranging from the Battle of the Bulge to marching with Martin Luther King - made me a life-long humanist and pacifist, and reinforced my belief that violence begets violence and that war is the lowest form of human behavior.

I am sorry if my statements suggested anything other than an expression of my love for my country, my hope for humanity and my desire for peace throughout the world.

If you go to the link and read some of the comments, you'll see why this topic is pretty much left un-discussed.

Too bad.

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ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-21   12:24:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Godwinson (#8)

The guy is a WW2 vet, an accomplished artist (both song and paintings) and he is still going strong at 85 years and has a lifetime of accomplishments and behavior

None of this is relevant.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-09-21   12:35:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#9)

but it's more difficult when it's someone like this. Bennett has seen the horrors of war up close and personal - I tend to give more weight to what people like that say.

Its not more 'difficult' for me. I don't see how anything in his past mitigates the fact he's expousing pure kook theory.

He has a RIGHT to do this as a citizen of our nation, no disputing it.

But the fact is military service doesn't give him any particular insight on this topic, nor does it give him any more 'weight', at least in my view.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-09-21   12:38:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Godwinson (#16)

I like statism in some of its forms because thanks to statism we have civilization - no rugged individuals built the first canal zones in Mesopotamia, etc.

Not surprising, you confuse the broad term "government" with the narrower terms "statist"or "statism". We used to have - in this country - an example of a government THAT WAS NOT STATIST that still settled a continent, allowed a trans-continental railroad to be built, allowed for inventors like Bell, Edison, and the Wright Bros. to do their thing, and yes - even built the Panama Canal.

When a gov't is STATIST, however, it inevitably ends up with things like gulags, rounding up of dissidents, thought police, "re-education" camps and the like.

What's funny is this - the fact that you must think that somehow you are "special" to those who you flak for. You think you will somehow "escape" all the bad that will come from your statist utopia.

Here's a news flash - Lenin said of people like you that you were "useful idiots."

You and your brethren will be first in line . . . at the camps, that is.

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ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-21   12:42:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Godwinson (#8)

Notice the Soviet like spin on the article's title from the news article which calls a thoughtful expression "bizarre" when it is in fact a reflection of what every expert in the region has stated.

The guy is a WW2 vet, an accomplished artist (both song and paintings) and he is still going strong at 85 years and has a lifetime of accomplishments and behavior that has never been termed bizarre but say an opinion that contradicts the party line and suddenly he is 'bizarre'.

You poor American bastards living under a subtle totalitarian regime (which has more people in prisons than the old USSR did and red China) and you don't even know it.

I never thought I'd see the day, where I would agree 100% with one of your comments.

Yet here we are, and your observation is spot-on.

The USA is not marching- but running- towards government corporatist Fascism, much like Italy under Mussolini. Corporatist fascism is kissing cousins with National Socialism, at a practical level.

Unfortunately, you espouse Socialism as the solution to all the evils of the world...

Your failure of logic is that the well- organized evils of the world, are organized BY governments. That is, your solution is more of what's causing the problems!

I fully recognize where we're at in this country, and where we're going... Some of us *have* escaped the mental prison built by propaganda- some of us by simply waking up, some of us by spending enough time outside Western media influences, to understand how much we've been lied to...

It would be a mistake on your part, to make such a sweeping generalization, because it's demonstrably incorrect.

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You're SOCIALIST morons. ESAD.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-09-21   12:44:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Godwinson (#17)

He has to clarify his statement for the FOX right wing whacko nationalists.

FOX News - check
"right wing" - check
"whacko" - check

Can you write in anything other than stereotypes?

Here's a clue - I'm about as "right-wing" as you can get, but I have no use for the endless wars that statists like LBJ, Clinton, the Bushes and now Obama seem to be determined to get us in.

So wise up - if you're capable.

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ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-21   12:48:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Badeye (#20)

I don't see how anything in his past mitigates the fact he's expousing pure kook theory.

I don't see how you can make the "kook" argument.

It's an intellectually lazy response, to points made not only by him, but Ron Paul and even the CIA ("blowback," anyone?).

Your attempts to dismiss him in such a knee-jerk reaction, without supporting your statement, critically undermines your position.

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From: Capitalist Eric Message:
You're SOCIALIST morons. ESAD.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-09-21   12:56:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Capitalist Eric, lucysmom, mininggold, Skip Intro, Fred Mertz (#24)

KOOK FIGHT!!!!

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-21   13:11:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: war (#25)

Our vet Badeye who wears it on his sleeve and claiming Bennett's WW2 combat infantryman experience holds no weight is pure idiocy. I knew someone would call him on it and I'm glad CE did.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-09-21   13:15:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: war, Badeye (#25)

KOOK FIGHT!!!!
--war

". . . . he's expousing pure kook theory.
--Badeye

Nice to see you guys agreeing on something.

__________________________________________________________________________________________

ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-21   13:16:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: war, Fred Mertz (#25)

KOOK FIGHT!!!!

and just when I was beginning to think Badeye and CE were the same person.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-09-21   13:22:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#27)

I missed that one and I'm stumped now. Did he mean exposing or espousing?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-09-21   13:35:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Fred Mertz (#26)

OUCH...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-21   13:38:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Fred Mertz (#29)

It means..."Gimme another Crown and Coke..."

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-21   13:40:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Fred Mertz (#26)

Like I said yesterday, you're nothing but an asshole on the internet, Freddy.

btw, Bennett JUST APOLOGIZED.

Game, set and match, freddo

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-09-21   13:43:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: lucysmom (#28)

No surprise, goofy.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-09-21   13:43:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: war (#31)

He likes that American Honey stuff on occasion. I don't have the heart to tell him it's a woman's drink, at least that's how it is marketed and promoted.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-09-21   13:44:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Badeye (#32)

You are so predictable Boofer. (grin)

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-09-21   13:45:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Fred Mertz (#34)

Most places refer to it as "Vagisil"...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-21   13:46:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Capitalist Eric (#24)

I don't see how you can make the "kook" argument.

It's an intellectually lazy response,

No, CE, its easy for the 'kook' part, because every theory suggested as to 'conspiracy' has been utterly debunked, many times.

As for the latter, after a decade of this, sorry, I just won't waste to much time, knowing 1)Kooks won't accept reality on this issue...2) Its wasted effort.

Believe what you want ot believe.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-09-21   13:48:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: war (#36)

(chuckle) I'm waiting for his response to my #34. He can't help himself.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-09-21   13:49:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Fred Mertz (#35)

Nobody knows what a 'boofer' is Freddy. As for 'predictable' you mouthing shit on the internet you'd never have the balls to do to somebody's face is whats 'predictable'.

You and the laughable dwarf, two pussies on the internet.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-09-21   13:49:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Fred Mertz (#35)

Sorry...but you've been gamesetamtach[ed]freddo and you know what that means!!!

No?

Well...neither do I but then we don't have the same self-esteem "issues" as Irma La Boof...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-21   13:49:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Fred Mertz (#38)

If I don't respond, you bitch. If I do respond, you bitch.

Basically, you remain a bitch, Freddy.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-09-21   13:50:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#27)

Woudln't know, don't see the lil guy's posts.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-09-21   13:51:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Badeye (#39)

Nobody knows what a 'boofer' is Freddy

Sure they do...a Boofer is...YOU...

As for 'predictable' you mouthing shit on the internet you'd never have the balls to do to somebody's face is whats 'predictable'.

Oooo...Myst...don't let that evil Dwarf post here...ever...he's a mean man who tried once to hurt me!!!!

You're such a sniveling little twit, Boof...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-21   13:53:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Badeye (#42)

Woudln't know[;] don't see the lil [sic] guy's posts.

Your dick posts here and you have it opn bozo?

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-21   13:59:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#21)

Not surprising, you confuse the broad term "government" with the narrower terms "statist"or "statism"

You libertarian cult members don't get to make up shit. Statism is a term usually describing a political philosophy that emphasises the role of the state in politics or supports the use of the state to achieve economic, military or social goals. That is exactly what made human beings from hunter gathering retard tribesman to builders of cities.

You filthy scumbag libertarianists have made these fake assertions that the govt builds highways hence once day it will build death camps, also.

You want to live in an anti-statist place? No govt? Move to Somalia.

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-09-21   14:21:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Capitalist Eric (#22)

Unfortunately, you espouse Socialism as the solution to all the evils of the world...

I espouse a mixed market system as found in Europe and everywhere there is civilization - even in the USA, which the right wing kooks deny is a part of our economy. You kooks on the right label it al as 'socialist" so I just play along - God forbid I educate you on subtly.

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-09-21   14:24:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#23)

Here's a clue - I'm about as "right-wing" as you can get, but I have no use for the endless wars that statists like LBJ, Clinton, the Bushes and now Obama seem to be determined to get us in.

You know what a Venn Diagram is? Your views intersect with a large aspect of those on your right wing universe I labeled kooks.

I am "right wing" as well but I embrace a right wing that wants no part of unregulated capitalism and is for a safety-net with a dollop of nationalism. In Europe it is called the "social market" but it is found all over the world as the standard form of govt and economy mix.

Since you espouse an economic system based on ideology with no real world analog - I must place you in the kook category - despite my agreeing with your non intervention stance.

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-09-21   14:28:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Godwinson (#46)

You kooks on the right label it al as 'socialist" so I just play along - God forbid I educate you on subtly.

Unfortunately their programing doesn't allow for the perception of significant but subtle differences.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-09-21   14:49:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Badeye (#37)

No, CE, its easy for the 'kook' part, because every theory suggested as to 'conspiracy' has been utterly debunked, many times.

Here's an easy demonstration why you're taking the intellectually lazy way out: 19 out of 20 hijackers commandeered airplanes, in a coordinated fashion, to perform terrorist acts on the USA on 9/11/01.

THEY conspired- and succeeded. Thus, it's not a conspiracy "theory."

It was a conspiracy, that happened to be overwhelmingly successful (from their viewpoint).

Thanks for playing.

To :Skippy, toe-jam, old man Fred Alzheimers Mertz, _jim, loonymom/ming, e-type-jackoff, goober56, Wrek, calcon, dummy DwarF, continental op, Biff, gobsheit and meguro
From: Capitalist Eric Message:
You're SOCIALIST morons. ESAD.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-09-21   15:55:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Godwinson (#47)

I am "right wing" as well but I embrace a right wing that wants no part of unregulated capitalism and is for a safety-net with a dollop of nationalism. In Europe it is called the "social market" but it is found all over the world as the standard form of govt and economy mix.

Aha.

So you're a corporatist.

You must be an admirer of Mussolini. No wonder why you love oBUMa- he's a modern Mussolini wannabe.

To :Skippy, toe-jam, old man Fred Alzheimers Mertz, _jim, loonymom/ming, e-type-jackoff, goober56, Wrek, calcon, dummy DwarF, continental op, Biff, gobsheit and meguro
From: Capitalist Eric Message:
You're SOCIALIST morons. ESAD.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-09-21   16:04:53 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Capitalist Eric (#50)

Aha.

So you're a corporatist.

You must be an admirer of Mussolini.

I find you trying to figure out categories funny since you post anti-capitaist stuff all the time as proof you defend capitalism. I think you are actually a loon and treat you like the brain damaged person you are.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,890558,00.html

Monday, May 25, 1953

Looking out over devastated Europe at war's end in 1945 the journalists of the world—plain reporters and exalted pundits—considered the future and, to a man, came to the same conclusion: Europe would go left and socialist. The right, dishonored by the Petains and Papens, and by its devotion to 19 century capitalism, was doomed. The center, caught between the stridencies of right & left, and forced to choose, would have to go left. Communists and Socialists had made a name in the undergrounds and concentration camps. And in the end, Socialism, the wave of the future, would triumph, as it had in Scandinavia long before, and in Britain only recently. The experts were wrong. Instead, postwar Europe's dominant force turned out to be Christian Democracy. Today, Christian Democrats govern or share heavily in the governing of every war-torn country of Western Europe; most of their Premiers and all of their foreign ministers (except The Netherlands') are Christian Democrats. All are disciples of European unity, all share an overall philosophy, all—perhaps by political accident—are Roman Catholics. When Italy's De Gasperi, West Germany's Adenauer and France's Bidault sit down to negotiate a treaty or discuss the future, they draw from a common religious inspiration that sees Europe reunited as it was before Europe burst asunder in post-Reformation strife. They share, too, the paradox of having come to power frankly religious men, in a Europe heavily influenced since the Age of Enlightenment by secularistic and often anti-religious political doctrine. In such a scene, the Christian Democrats have learned not to accent their sectarian differences, but to stress what they have in common. What is their credo? Fundamentally, it is the common heritage of Western civilization, a Judeo-Christian heritage with which men of all faiths may agree. Their basic philosophical faith may be generally stated as a belief in 1) the fatherhood of God, 2) the brotherhood of man, 3) the essential dignity of man, and 4) the right of the individual to hold and administer private property, subject to his responsibilities to his fellowmen. Christian Democracy began as a Christian Socialism and gradually moved towards center and right. Originally, its intention was to escape the bleak godlessness of both left and right, while avoiding the charge of church domination, particularly domination by the Vatican. Trying to oppose materialism, while meeting it on its own good ground of material welfare for all, involves difficulties. "The Christian is a citizen of two worlds," says Catholic Philosopher Heinrich Rommen, "the City of God and the City of Man. He is destined for the former, but he must live and work for his salvation in the latter." From a deep and common tap root, the Christian Democrats of Europe branch out in a variety of directions.

In France, the party's name is Mouvement Republicain Populaire. In theory, it stands only a few steps away from mild Socialism, but in practice it sits mostly in the center. It began in the heroism of the French underground. For more than a year between the fall of France and Hitler's attack on Russia, the French Resistance was organized and dominated by courageous young veterans like Georges Bidault, now French Foreign Minister; Pierre-Henri Teitgen (now M.R.P. president). "The prominence of so many individual devout Catholics in the Resistance," reported one student of France, "saved the church in France." For some time, the M.R.P. was the largest party in France. Now worn and watered down after eight debilitating years in the cockpit of French party politics, it now attracts about 12% of the French electorate. Best known for its support of family allowances, which arrested the decline in France's birth rate, the M.R.P. is parted from its ideological neighbors by an anxious controversy over church schools. In West Germany, Christian Democracy is the party of conservative Chancellor Konrad Adenauer, but is still flavored by the Christian Socialism of the Catholic Labor movement. Mitbestimmungsrecht, for example, the radical program under which many German workers share in the management of industry, was energetically pushed by Catholic labor. Where France's M.R.P. works in a nominally (97%) Catholic community, Catholic Adenauer's party works in the shadow of historic Catholic-Protestant cleavage in Germany. But it numbers thousands of Protestants in its coalition (they total about 30%), and it has elected Protestant Hermann Ehlers as its vice chairman. Many German Protestants complain, nevertheless, that if Adenauer "were more of a German and less of a Rhineland Catholic," he would slow down his drive for a united Europe and pay more attention to uniting West Germany with the Protestant (and now Communist-ruled) East Germany. Adenauer's Christian Democratic Union comes before the voters this year. High personal prestige and West Germany's remarkable prosperity are in his favor. Diverse as are their political environments and their religious faiths, Western Europe's Christian Democrats are loosely organized into a kind of clearinghouse for Christian parties representing 20 million voters: Last fall it set up a committee to try to define Christian Democracy, but it has still to agree on a definition. Yet Christian Democracy, like so many idealistic abstractions, demonstrably exists. Its faith is demonstrated by the high character of its leaders, whose performance shows that what eludes definition need not pass understanding. Christian Democracy may well take its credo from Edmund Burke: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-09-21   16:09:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Godwinson (#47)

Since you espouse an economic system based on ideology with no real world analog
My ideology was in sync with pretty much everyone in mainstream US Gov't pre-FDR. It worked pretty well for about 144 years (1789-1933).

Given the economic situation of the European countries you love so much; the collapse of the statist USSR; the horrors of Statist Nazi Germany; the collapse of Fascist Italy; and the wonders of Statist Cuba and China; and now the imminent economic collapse of the once great USA (to name just a few) - I'll take MY ideology over yours any day.

- I must place you in the kook category - despite my agreeing with your non intervention stance.
Coming from you - the notorious inquisitionist who would like to see protestants and heretics burned at the stake (which puts you in about the same class as a Muslim kook jihadist) - I CONSIDER THAT AN HONOR, SIR!

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ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-21   16:28:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#52) (Edited)

My ideology was in sync with pretty much everyone in mainstream US Gov't pre-FDR. It worked pretty well for about 144 years (1789-1933).

No it did not. The USA's economy was in one panic (what they called economic crisis back then) after another. The only think saving the country was free/cheap land and that most people could grow their own food and not starve.

Where did you get your bullshit that the USA was an economic paradise back then?

That is why I can not make you an ally - people like you that distort the truth - and invent realities to justify your world view fiction are dangerous and must be exposed for the know-nothing kooks you are.

Banking Panics in the US: 1873-1933

Prior to the passage of deposit insurance legislation in 1933 banking panics were a recurrent feature of U.S. banking history. Three phases of that panic experience can be identified depending upon the type of regulatory framework in place: the pre-Civil War era, the National Banking era, and the era of the Federal Reserve System. Federal regulation was absent in the antebellum period with panics in 1819, 1837, 1857 and incipient panics in 1860 and 1861. During the National Banking era, banking panics occurred in 1873, 1893, and 1907 with incipient panics in 1884 and 1890. After the Federal Reserve Act was passed in 1913, there were four full-scale banking panics, one in 1930, two in 1931, one in 1933 and a localized panic in Chicago in 1932.

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-09-21   17:18:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Godwinson (#51)

I find you trying to figure out categories funny since you post anti-capitaist stuff all the time as proof you defend capitalism.

That's because you think you think.

You don't.

To :Skippy, toe-jam, old man Fred Alzheimers Mertz, _jim, loonymom/ming, e-type-jackoff, goober56, Wrek, calcon, dummy DwarF, continental op, Biff, gobsheit and meguro
From: Capitalist Eric Message:
You're SOCIALIST morons. ESAD.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-09-21   18:06:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Capitalist Eric (#49)

Here's an easy demonstration why you're taking the intellectually lazy way out: 19 out of 20 hijackers commandeered airplanes, in a coordinated fashion, to perform terrorist acts on the USA on 9/11/01.

THEY conspired- and succeeded. Thus, it's not a conspiracy "theory."

It was a conspiracy, that happened to be overwhelmingly successful (from their viewpoint).

Thanks for playing.

Okay. I'll admit thats 100% correct.

But you and I both KNOW thats not the 'kook' part I was speaking of.

The 'kook' part is those hijackers didn't exist, it was all a government plot, the building were brought down by explosives, and 25K of Jews stayed away that day cause 'they knew'.

That part.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-09-21   19:12:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Godwinson (#53) (Edited)

It worked pretty well for about 144 years (1789-1933).

No it did not. The USA's economy was in one panic (what they called economic crisis back then) after another. The only think saving the country was free/cheap land and that most people could grow their own food and not starve.

Where did you get your bullshit that the USA was an economic paradise back then?

You really should brush up on your reading comprehension. "Worked pretty well" is not the same as "economic paradise."

In your limited experiences, have you ever noticed that most things run in cycles? You have droughts then you have floods. You have the seasons. Likewise, in economics you have boom and bust cycles.

Like farmers who plan for inevitable droughts, wise people used to survive the bust cycles by smart planning and preparation. And yes, not to sound cold, but some people through lack of planning or other factors did suffer. That's called life. It's unfair. Some people prosper. Some don't. Don't like it? Take it up with God.

All people like you can do is create governmental systems that spread misery, limit freedoms and eventually collapse of their own weight and corruption. You seem to believe mankind is perfectable - and that he can create a perfect system.

I challenge you to cite one - just one - of your socialist European utopias that is not (or soon to be) an economic basket case.

If you can - do us all a favor and relocate there.

We have too many Obama voters here already.

__________________________________________________________________________________________

ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-21   19:26:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#15)

if we were to do as you say, we'd have to go after "our friends" the Saudis.

Be still my beating heart!

THOSE are the dangerous beasties in the Middle East. Everybody else is just a poser.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-09-21   20:04:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Godwinson (#17)

Left leaners are not the ones being offended by Bennett's comments -

I know. You/they are so stupid you still think Boy Jorge is in charge of the middle eastern wars.

Guess what,Buckwheat! It's your Chocolate Messiah,Barry Bush, running all those Middle Eastern wars now.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-09-21   20:12:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Badeye (#55)

The 'kook' part is those hijackers didn't exist, it was all a government plot, the building were brought down by explosives, and 25K of Jews stayed away that day cause 'they knew'.

Ok. Please provide a link where I ever said the first or third points. As to the second point, I can't say for certain, but top scientists in the chemistry field have confirmed the presence of nanothermite residue in the dust... I have no reason to doubt their qualifications, especially since their findings have been confirmed.

Please provide a link where Tony Bennett ever said anything about Jews or that the hijackers didn't exist.

You're using the hyperbole of a a few who (IMHO) are quite bonkers, and attaching it to the rest of society, which by and large, does not believe the "official" government story.

Face it; it took MONTHS for them to generate the Obamacare plan, but the PATRIOT-USA Act was ready to go just 13 days after 9/11. Clearly, the government had it on the shelf, waiting for the right opportunity for implementation, as discussed HERE, HERE, and HERE.

Does the government perform secret operations against their citizens? It would seem that your automatic dismissal of "conspiracy theories" which turned out to be REAL conspiracies, should include the following:

Operation MOCKINGBIRD, to infiltrate the media for the purposes of disseminating propaganda, Operation CHAOS, a CIA spying operation on American citizens from 1959 to 1971.

The Tuskegee Syphilis Study, where the United States Public Health Service carried out a clinical study on 400 poor, African-American men with syphilis from 1932 to 1972.

Operation Northwoods: In the early 1960s, American military leaders drafted plans to create public support for a war against Cuba, to oust Fidel Castro from power. The plans included committing acts of terrorism in U.S. cities, killing innocent people and U.S. soldiers, blowing up a U.S. ship, assassinating Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees, and hijacking planes.

CIA Drug Running in LA: Pulitzer Prize Award winning journalist Gary Webb exposed this alongside LAPD Narcotics Officer turned whislteblower and author Michael Ruppert, CIA Contract Pilot Terry Reed, and many others. In August 1996 the San Jose Mercury News published Webb’s “Dark Alliance”, a 20,000 word, three-part investigative series which alleged that Nicaraguan drug traffickers had sold and distributed crack cocaine in Los Angeles during the 1980s, and that drug profits were used to fund the CIA-supported Nicaraguan Contras.

The Gulf of Tonkin Incident- never happened. In October, 2005 the New York Times reported that Robert J. Hanyok, a historian for the U.S. National Security Agency, had concluded that the NSA deliberately distorted the intelligence reports that it had passed on to policy-makers regarding the August 4, 1964 incident. He concluded that the motive was not political but was probably to cover up honest intelligence errors.

The Business Plot: In 1933, group of wealthy businessmen that allegedly included the heads of Chase Bank, GM, Goodyear, Standard Oil, the DuPont family and Senator Prescott Bush tried to recruit Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler to lead a military coup against President FDR and install a fascist dictatorship in the United States.

These so-called "conspiracy theories" are now established as REAL conspiracies. I would suggest you not be so hasty as to judge everything automatically, lest you throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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From: Capitalist Eric Message:
You're SOCIALIST morons. ESAD.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-09-21   20:15:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Badeye (#20)

I don't see how anything in his past mitigates the fact he's expousing pure kook theory.

How is that even possible when he's not cheerleading for perpetual war?

But the fact is military service doesn't give him any particular insight on this topic,

I agree,but being a infantry combat veteran does.

nor does it give him any more 'weight', at least in my view.

You have a right to be wrong.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-09-21   20:16:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Capitalist Eric (#59)

CE - your lookin for a debate where there isn't one here on the topic with me. have a good evening.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-09-21   20:24:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: sneakypete (#60)

Lol, thanks sneaky.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-09-21   20:25:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#56)

"Worked pretty well"

The US economy did not "Work pretty well" at all back then. There was a reason people were shoeless back then - poverty was endemic and persistent while conditions may have been better than some European nations of that era - they were not that much better.

Do all conservatives - or whatever you call yourselves these days - pine for the "good old days" as viewed from a fantasy image rather than viewed from reality?

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-09-22   9:31:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#56)

You really should brush up on your reading comprehension. "Worked pretty well" is not the same as "economic paradise."

For all of those "144 years" we were an agrarian based economy that gave little thought to education and advancement. Wages, for most, were substance and we created a statutory underclass - mostly in the South but in some Northern states as well.

It worked like shit. And, in post WWII, as the globe advanced on US and UK dollars, we stood still...every nation that requires a living wage and health care and unquestioningly supplies as many dollars their education system needs is doing better than the US.

The US is hell bent on going backwards...under the encouragement of people like you...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-22   9:42:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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