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Title: Tony Bennett in bizarre rant as he claims 'America caused 9/11' and 'George Bush told me he regretted the war in Iraq'
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Daily Mail Online
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... ed-Iraq-rant-Howard-Stern.html
Published: Sep 20, 2011
Author: Daily Mail Reporter
Post Date: 2011-09-20 23:28:17 by Sebastian
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Views: 44510
Comments: 64
Tony Bennett spoke about 9/11 and the Iraq war on Howard Stern's Sirius radio show Legendary singer Tony Bennett said in an interview with Howard Stern on Monday night that 'we caused' the 9/11 attacks. He also went on to say that President George W. Bush confided in him that the war in Iraq was a mistake. Speaking on Stern's Sirius Radio show, Mr Bennett, who describes himself as a pacifist, said: 'They flew the plane in, but we caused it. 'Because we were bombing them and they told us to stop.' Stern had asked the singer, a World War II vet, how the U.S. should deal with the terrorists responsible for the World Trade Centre attacks. 'But who are the terrorists?' Mr Bennett said, according to ABC News. 'Are we the terrorists or are they the terrorists? Two wrongs don't make a right.' The 85-year-old spoke of the night in 2005 when then-President Bush made that astonishing statement. Mr Bennett said: 'He told me personally that night that, he said, 'I think I made a mistake".' The event was in honour of Mr Bennett and he said he believed Mr Bush made the admission because he liked the singer. Mr Bennett said that his experiences as a teenager in combat in the Second World War forever changed his position on war. Haunting: Bennett said his views on war and 9/11 are shaped by his time in the U.S. Army during the Second World War 'I'm anti-war,' he said. 'It's the lowest form of human behaviour.' He was drafted by the U.S. Army in November 1944 and served as an infantryman in Europe, moving across France, and later into Germany. He said: 'The Germans were frightened. We were frightened. Nobody wanted to kill anybody when we were on the line, but the weapons were so strong that it overcame us and everybody else. The day before his controversial remarks Bennett celebrated his 85th birthday gala in New York on Sunday, joined daughters Joanna, far left, Antonia, far right, and Susan Crow Mr Bennett credited the Army with allowing him to study singing. He said: 'The first time I saw a dead German, that's when I became a pacifist.' He told Mr Stern that he was left forever shaken by the sight of death. The big guns were there: Former President Bill Clinton joins Bennett on stage at his 85th Birthday Gala in New York on Sunday Mr Bennett said: 'It was a nightmare that's permanent. 'I just said, "This is not life. This is not life".' That's why, he added, that he agrees with Mr Bush. He said: 'To start a war in Iraq was a tremendous, tremendous mistake internationally.' The night before, Mr Bennett, who is currently promoting his new album, Duets II, enjoyed a star-studded party in his honour at his 85th Birthday Gala Benefit for Exploring the Arts at The Metropolitan Opera House in New York. Guests included Bill Clinton, Elton John and Robert DeNiro.
But he also admitted that his two years of service gave him enough time to witness the horrors of war.
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#24. To: Badeye (#20)
I don't see how you can make the "kook" argument. It's an intellectually lazy response, to points made not only by him, but Ron Paul and even the CIA ("blowback," anyone?). Your attempts to dismiss him in such a knee-jerk reaction, without supporting your statement, critically undermines your position.
To :Skippy, toe-jam, old man Fred Alzheimers Mertz, _jim, loonymom/ming, e-type-jackoff, goober56, Wrek, calcon, dummy DwarF, continental op, Biff, gobsheit and meguro KOOK FIGHT!!!!
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Our vet Badeye who wears it on his sleeve and claiming Bennett's WW2 combat infantryman experience holds no weight is pure idiocy. I knew someone would call him on it and I'm glad CE did.
Nice to see you guys agreeing on something.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ and just when I was beginning to think Badeye and CE were the same person.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
I missed that one and I'm stumped now. Did he mean exposing or espousing?
OUCH...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
It means..."Gimme another Crown and Coke..."
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Like I said yesterday, you're nothing but an asshole on the internet, Freddy. btw, Bennett JUST APOLOGIZED. Game, set and match, freddo
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
No surprise, goofy.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
He likes that American Honey stuff on occasion. I don't have the heart to tell him it's a woman's drink, at least that's how it is marketed and promoted.
You are so predictable Boofer. (grin)
Most places refer to it as "Vagisil"...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
It's an intellectually lazy response, No, CE, its easy for the 'kook' part, because every theory suggested as to 'conspiracy' has been utterly debunked, many times. As for the latter, after a decade of this, sorry, I just won't waste to much time, knowing 1)Kooks won't accept reality on this issue...2) Its wasted effort. Believe what you want ot believe.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
(chuckle) I'm waiting for his response to my #34. He can't help himself.
Nobody knows what a 'boofer' is Freddy. As for 'predictable' you mouthing shit on the internet you'd never have the balls to do to somebody's face is whats 'predictable'. You and the laughable dwarf, two pussies on the internet.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Sorry...but you've been gamesetamtach[ed]freddo and you know what that means!!! No? Well...neither do I but then we don't have the same self-esteem "issues" as Irma La Boof...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
If I don't respond, you bitch. If I do respond, you bitch. Basically, you remain a bitch, Freddy.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Woudln't know, don't see the lil guy's posts.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Sure they do...a Boofer is...YOU... As for 'predictable' you mouthing shit on the internet you'd never have the balls to do to somebody's face is whats 'predictable'. Oooo...Myst...don't let that evil Dwarf post here...ever...he's a mean man who tried once to hurt me!!!! You're such a sniveling little twit, Boof...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Your dick posts here and you have it opn bozo?
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
You libertarian cult members don't get to make up shit. Statism is a term usually describing a political philosophy that emphasises the role of the state in politics or supports the use of the state to achieve economic, military or social goals. That is exactly what made human beings from hunter gathering retard tribesman to builders of cities. You filthy scumbag libertarianists have made these fake assertions that the govt builds highways hence once day it will build death camps, also. You want to live in an anti-statist place? No govt? Move to Somalia.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
I espouse a mixed market system as found in Europe and everywhere there is civilization - even in the USA, which the right wing kooks deny is a part of our economy. You kooks on the right label it al as 'socialist" so I just play along - God forbid I educate you on subtly.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
You know what a Venn Diagram is? Your views intersect with a large aspect of those on your right wing universe I labeled kooks. I am "right wing" as well but I embrace a right wing that wants no part of unregulated capitalism and is for a safety-net with a dollop of nationalism. In Europe it is called the "social market" but it is found all over the world as the standard form of govt and economy mix. Since you espouse an economic system based on ideology with no real world analog - I must place you in the kook category - despite my agreeing with your non intervention stance.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Unfortunately their programing doesn't allow for the perception of significant but subtle differences.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Here's an easy demonstration why you're taking the intellectually lazy way out: 19 out of 20 hijackers commandeered airplanes, in a coordinated fashion, to perform terrorist acts on the USA on 9/11/01. THEY conspired- and succeeded. Thus, it's not a conspiracy "theory." It was a conspiracy, that happened to be overwhelmingly successful (from their viewpoint). Thanks for playing.
To :Skippy, toe-jam, old man Fred Alzheimers Mertz, _jim, loonymom/ming, e-type-jackoff, goober56, Wrek, calcon, dummy DwarF, continental op, Biff, gobsheit and meguro Aha. So you're a corporatist. You must be an admirer of Mussolini. No wonder why you love oBUMa- he's a modern Mussolini wannabe. To :Skippy, toe-jam, old man Fred Alzheimers Mertz, _jim, loonymom/ming, e-type-jackoff, goober56, Wrek, calcon, dummy DwarF, continental op, Biff, gobsheit and meguro So you're a corporatist. You must be an admirer of Mussolini. I find you trying to figure out categories funny since you post anti-capitaist stuff all the time as proof you defend capitalism. I think you are actually a loon and treat you like the brain damaged person you are. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,890558,00.html Monday, May 25, 1953 Looking out over devastated Europe at war's end in 1945 the journalists of the world—plain reporters and exalted pundits—considered the future and, to a man, came to the same conclusion: Europe would go left and socialist. The right, dishonored by the Petains and Papens, and by its devotion to 19 century capitalism, was doomed. The center, caught between the stridencies of right & left, and forced to choose, would have to go left. Communists and Socialists had made a name in the undergrounds and concentration camps. And in the end, Socialism, the wave of the future, would triumph, as it had in Scandinavia long before, and in Britain only recently. The experts were wrong. Instead, postwar Europe's dominant force turned out to be Christian Democracy. Today, Christian Democrats govern or share heavily in the governing of every war-torn country of Western Europe; most of their Premiers and all of their foreign ministers (except The Netherlands') are Christian Democrats. All are disciples of European unity, all share an overall philosophy, all—perhaps by political accident—are Roman Catholics. When Italy's De Gasperi, West Germany's Adenauer and France's Bidault sit down to negotiate a treaty or discuss the future, they draw from a common religious inspiration that sees Europe reunited as it was before Europe burst asunder in post-Reformation strife. They share, too, the paradox of having come to power frankly religious men, in a Europe heavily influenced since the Age of Enlightenment by secularistic and often anti-religious political doctrine. In such a scene, the Christian Democrats have learned not to accent their sectarian differences, but to stress what they have in common. What is their credo? Fundamentally, it is the common heritage of Western civilization, a Judeo-Christian heritage with which men of all faiths may agree. Their basic philosophical faith may be generally stated as a belief in 1) the fatherhood of God, 2) the brotherhood of man, 3) the essential dignity of man, and 4) the right of the individual to hold and administer private property, subject to his responsibilities to his fellowmen. Christian Democracy began as a Christian Socialism and gradually moved towards center and right. Originally, its intention was to escape the bleak godlessness of both left and right, while avoiding the charge of church domination, particularly domination by the Vatican. Trying to oppose materialism, while meeting it on its own good ground of material welfare for all, involves difficulties. "The Christian is a citizen of two worlds," says Catholic Philosopher Heinrich Rommen, "the City of God and the City of Man. He is destined for the former, but he must live and work for his salvation in the latter." From a deep and common tap root, the Christian Democrats of Europe branch out in a variety of directions. In France, the party's name is Mouvement Republicain Populaire. In theory, it stands only a few steps away from mild Socialism, but in practice it sits mostly in the center. It began in the heroism of the French underground. For more than a year between the fall of France and Hitler's attack on Russia, the French Resistance was organized and dominated by courageous young veterans like Georges Bidault, now French Foreign Minister; Pierre-Henri Teitgen (now M.R.P. president). "The prominence of so many individual devout Catholics in the Resistance," reported one student of France, "saved the church in France." For some time, the M.R.P. was the largest party in France. Now worn and watered down after eight debilitating years in the cockpit of French party politics, it now attracts about 12% of the French electorate. Best known for its support of family allowances, which arrested the decline in France's birth rate, the M.R.P. is parted from its ideological neighbors by an anxious controversy over church schools. In West Germany, Christian Democracy is the party of conservative Chancellor Konrad Adenauer, but is still flavored by the Christian Socialism of the Catholic Labor movement. Mitbestimmungsrecht, for example, the radical program under which many German workers share in the management of industry, was energetically pushed by Catholic labor. Where France's M.R.P. works in a nominally (97%) Catholic community, Catholic Adenauer's party works in the shadow of historic Catholic-Protestant cleavage in Germany. But it numbers thousands of Protestants in its coalition (they total about 30%), and it has elected Protestant Hermann Ehlers as its vice chairman. Many German Protestants complain, nevertheless, that if Adenauer "were more of a German and less of a Rhineland Catholic," he would slow down his drive for a united Europe and pay more attention to uniting West Germany with the Protestant (and now Communist-ruled) East Germany. Adenauer's Christian Democratic Union comes before the voters this year. High personal prestige and West Germany's remarkable prosperity are in his favor. Diverse as are their political environments and their religious faiths, Western Europe's Christian Democrats are loosely organized into a kind of clearinghouse for Christian parties representing 20 million voters: Last fall it set up a committee to try to define Christian Democracy, but it has still to agree on a definition. Yet Christian Democracy, like so many idealistic abstractions, demonstrably exists. Its faith is demonstrated by the high character of its leaders, whose performance shows that what eludes definition need not pass understanding. Christian Democracy may well take its credo from Edmund Burke: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Given the economic situation of the European countries you love so much; the collapse of the statist USSR; the horrors of Statist Nazi Germany; the collapse of Fascist Italy; and the wonders of Statist Cuba and China; and now the imminent economic collapse of the once great USA (to name just a few) - I'll take MY ideology over yours any day. __________________________________________________________________________________________ No it did not. The USA's economy was in one panic (what they called economic crisis back then) after another. The only think saving the country was free/cheap land and that most people could grow their own food and not starve. Where did you get your bullshit that the USA was an economic paradise back then? That is why I can not make you an ally - people like you that distort the truth - and invent realities to justify your world view fiction are dangerous and must be exposed for the know-nothing kooks you are. Banking Panics in the US: 1873-1933 Prior to the passage of deposit insurance legislation in 1933 banking panics were a recurrent feature of U.S. banking history. Three phases of that panic experience can be identified depending upon the type of regulatory framework in place: the pre-Civil War era, the National Banking era, and the era of the Federal Reserve System. Federal regulation was absent in the antebellum period with panics in 1819, 1837, 1857 and incipient panics in 1860 and 1861. During the National Banking era, banking panics occurred in 1873, 1893, and 1907 with incipient panics in 1884 and 1890. After the Federal Reserve Act was passed in 1913, there were four full-scale banking panics, one in 1930, two in 1931, one in 1933 and a localized panic in Chicago in 1932.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
That's because you think you think. You don't.
To :Skippy, toe-jam, old man Fred Alzheimers Mertz, _jim, loonymom/ming, e-type-jackoff, goober56, Wrek, calcon, dummy DwarF, continental op, Biff, gobsheit and meguro THEY conspired- and succeeded. Thus, it's not a conspiracy "theory." It was a conspiracy, that happened to be overwhelmingly successful (from their viewpoint). Thanks for playing. Okay. I'll admit thats 100% correct. But you and I both KNOW thats not the 'kook' part I was speaking of. The 'kook' part is those hijackers didn't exist, it was all a government plot, the building were brought down by explosives, and 25K of Jews stayed away that day cause 'they knew'. That part.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
No it did not. The USA's economy was in one panic (what they called economic crisis back then) after another. The only think saving the country was free/cheap land and that most people could grow their own food and not starve. Where did you get your bullshit that the USA was an economic paradise back then? You really should brush up on your reading comprehension. "Worked pretty well" is not the same as "economic paradise." In your limited experiences, have you ever noticed that most things run in cycles? You have droughts then you have floods. You have the seasons. Likewise, in economics you have boom and bust cycles. Like farmers who plan for inevitable droughts, wise people used to survive the bust cycles by smart planning and preparation. And yes, not to sound cold, but some people through lack of planning or other factors did suffer. That's called life. It's unfair. Some people prosper. Some don't. Don't like it? Take it up with God. All people like you can do is create governmental systems that spread misery, limit freedoms and eventually collapse of their own weight and corruption. You seem to believe mankind is perfectable - and that he can create a perfect system. I challenge you to cite one - just one - of your socialist European utopias that is not (or soon to be) an economic basket case. If you can - do us all a favor and relocate there. We have too many Obama voters here already.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ Be still my beating heart! THOSE are the dangerous beasties in the Middle East. Everybody else is just a poser.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I know. You/they are so stupid you still think Boy Jorge is in charge of the middle eastern wars. Guess what,Buckwheat! It's your Chocolate Messiah,Barry Bush, running all those Middle Eastern wars now.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Ok. Please provide a link where I ever said the first or third points. As to the second point, I can't say for certain, but top scientists in the chemistry field have confirmed the presence of nanothermite residue in the dust... I have no reason to doubt their qualifications, especially since their findings have been confirmed. Please provide a link where Tony Bennett ever said anything about Jews or that the hijackers didn't exist. You're using the hyperbole of a a few who (IMHO) are quite bonkers, and attaching it to the rest of society, which by and large, does not believe the "official" government story. Face it; it took MONTHS for them to generate the Obamacare plan, but the PATRIOT-USA Act was ready to go just 13 days after 9/11. Clearly, the government had it on the shelf, waiting for the right opportunity for implementation, as discussed HERE, HERE, and HERE. Does the government perform secret operations against their citizens? It would seem that your automatic dismissal of "conspiracy theories" which turned out to be REAL conspiracies, should include the following: Operation MOCKINGBIRD, to infiltrate the media for the purposes of disseminating propaganda, Operation CHAOS, a CIA spying operation on American citizens from 1959 to 1971. The Tuskegee Syphilis Study, where the United States Public Health Service carried out a clinical study on 400 poor, African-American men with syphilis from 1932 to 1972. Operation Northwoods: In the early 1960s, American military leaders drafted plans to create public support for a war against Cuba, to oust Fidel Castro from power. The plans included committing acts of terrorism in U.S. cities, killing innocent people and U.S. soldiers, blowing up a U.S. ship, assassinating Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees, and hijacking planes. CIA Drug Running in LA: Pulitzer Prize Award winning journalist Gary Webb exposed this alongside LAPD Narcotics Officer turned whislteblower and author Michael Ruppert, CIA Contract Pilot Terry Reed, and many others. In August 1996 the San Jose Mercury News published Webb’s “Dark Alliance”, a 20,000 word, three-part investigative series which alleged that Nicaraguan drug traffickers had sold and distributed crack cocaine in Los Angeles during the 1980s, and that drug profits were used to fund the CIA-supported Nicaraguan Contras. The Gulf of Tonkin Incident- never happened. In October, 2005 the New York Times reported that Robert J. Hanyok, a historian for the U.S. National Security Agency, had concluded that the NSA deliberately distorted the intelligence reports that it had passed on to policy-makers regarding the August 4, 1964 incident. He concluded that the motive was not political but was probably to cover up honest intelligence errors. The Business Plot: In 1933, group of wealthy businessmen that allegedly included the heads of Chase Bank, GM, Goodyear, Standard Oil, the DuPont family and Senator Prescott Bush tried to recruit Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler to lead a military coup against President FDR and install a fascist dictatorship in the United States. These so-called "conspiracy theories" are now established as REAL conspiracies. I would suggest you not be so hasty as to judge everything automatically, lest you throw the baby out with the bathwater.
To :Skippy, toe-jam, old man Fred Alzheimers Mertz, _jim, loonymom/ming, e-type-jackoff, goober56, Wrek, calcon, dummy DwarF, continental op, Biff, gobsheit and meguro How is that even possible when he's not cheerleading for perpetual war? But the fact is military service doesn't give him any particular insight on this topic, I agree,but being a infantry combat veteran does. nor does it give him any more 'weight', at least in my view. You have a right to be wrong.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
CE - your lookin for a debate where there isn't one here on the topic with me. have a good evening.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Lol, thanks sneaky.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
The US economy did not "Work pretty well" at all back then. There was a reason people were shoeless back then - poverty was endemic and persistent while conditions may have been better than some European nations of that era - they were not that much better. Do all conservatives - or whatever you call yourselves these days - pine for the "good old days" as viewed from a fantasy image rather than viewed from reality?
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
For all of those "144 years" we were an agrarian based economy that gave little thought to education and advancement. Wages, for most, were substance and we created a statutory underclass - mostly in the South but in some Northern states as well. It worked like shit. And, in post WWII, as the globe advanced on US and UK dollars, we stood still...every nation that requires a living wage and health care and unquestioningly supplies as many dollars their education system needs is doing better than the US. The US is hell bent on going backwards...under the encouragement of people like you...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
I don't see how anything in his past mitigates the fact he's expousing pure kook theory.
From: Capitalist Eric Message:
You're SOCIALIST morons. ESAD.
#25. To: Capitalist Eric, lucysmom, mininggold, Skip Intro, Fred Mertz (#24)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#26. To: war (#25)
#27. To: war, Badeye (#25)
KOOK FIGHT!!!!
--war ". . . . he's expousing pure kook theory.
--Badeye 
ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!
#28. To: war, Fred Mertz (#25)
KOOK FIGHT!!!!
#29. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#27)
#30. To: Fred Mertz (#26)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#31. To: Fred Mertz (#29)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#32. To: Fred Mertz (#26)
#33. To: lucysmom (#28)
#34. To: war (#31)
#35. To: Badeye (#32)
#36. To: Fred Mertz (#34)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#37. To: Capitalist Eric (#24)
I don't see how you can make the "kook" argument.
#38. To: war (#36)
#39. To: Fred Mertz (#35)
#40. To: Fred Mertz (#35)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#41. To: Fred Mertz (#38)
#42. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#27)
#43. To: Badeye (#39)
Nobody knows what a 'boofer' is Freddy
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#44. To: Badeye (#42)
Woudln't know[;] don't see the lil [sic] guy's posts.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#45. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#21)
Not surprising, you confuse the broad term "government" with the narrower terms "statist"or "statism"
#46. To: Capitalist Eric (#22)
Unfortunately, you espouse Socialism as the solution to all the evils of the world...
#47. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#23)
Here's a clue - I'm about as "right-wing" as you can get, but I have no use for the endless wars that statists like LBJ, Clinton, the Bushes and now Obama seem to be determined to get us in.
#48. To: Godwinson (#46)
You kooks on the right label it al as 'socialist" so I just play along - God forbid I educate you on subtly.
#49. To: Badeye (#37)
No, CE, its easy for the 'kook' part, because every theory suggested as to 'conspiracy' has been utterly debunked, many times.
From: Capitalist Eric Message:
You're SOCIALIST morons. ESAD.
#50. To: Godwinson (#47)
I am "right wing" as well but I embrace a right wing that wants no part of unregulated capitalism and is for a safety-net with a dollop of nationalism. In Europe it is called the "social market" but it is found all over the world as the standard form of govt and economy mix.
From: Capitalist Eric Message:
You're SOCIALIST morons. ESAD.
#51. To: Capitalist Eric (#50)
Aha.
#52. To: Godwinson (#47)
Since you espouse an economic system based on ideology with no real world analog
My ideology was in sync with pretty much everyone in mainstream US Gov't pre-FDR. It worked pretty well for about 144 years (1789-1933). - I must place you in the kook category - despite my agreeing with your non intervention stance.
Coming from you - the notorious inquisitionist who would like to see protestants and heretics burned at the stake (which puts you in about the same class as a Muslim kook jihadist) - I CONSIDER THAT AN HONOR, SIR!
ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!
#53. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#52)
(Edited)
My ideology was in sync with pretty much everyone in mainstream US Gov't pre-FDR. It worked pretty well for about 144 years (1789-1933).
#54. To: Godwinson (#51)
I find you trying to figure out categories funny since you post anti-capitaist stuff all the time as proof you defend capitalism.
From: Capitalist Eric Message:
You're SOCIALIST morons. ESAD.
#55. To: Capitalist Eric (#49)
Here's an easy demonstration why you're taking the intellectually lazy way out: 19 out of 20 hijackers commandeered airplanes, in a coordinated fashion, to perform terrorist acts on the USA on 9/11/01.
#56. To: Godwinson (#53)
(Edited)
It worked pretty well for about 144 years (1789-1933).
ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!
#57. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#15)
if we were to do as you say, we'd have to go after "our friends" the Saudis.
#58. To: Godwinson (#17)
Left leaners are not the ones being offended by Bennett's comments -
#59. To: Badeye (#55)
The 'kook' part is those hijackers didn't exist, it was all a government plot, the building were brought down by explosives, and 25K of Jews stayed away that day cause 'they knew'.
From: Capitalist Eric Message:
You're SOCIALIST morons. ESAD.
#60. To: Badeye (#20)
I don't see how anything in his past mitigates the fact he's expousing pure kook theory.
#61. To: Capitalist Eric (#59)
#62. To: sneakypete (#60)
#63. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#56)
"Worked pretty well"
#64. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#56)
You really should brush up on your reading comprehension. "Worked pretty well" is not the same as "economic paradise."
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
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