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Title: Tony Bennett in bizarre rant as he claims 'America caused 9/11' and 'George Bush told me he regretted the war in Iraq'
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URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... ed-Iraq-rant-Howard-Stern.html
Published: Sep 20, 2011
Author: Daily Mail Reporter
Post Date: 2011-09-20 23:28:17 by Sebastian
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Tony Bennett spoke about 9/11 and the Iraq war on Howard Stern's Sirius radio show Legendary singer Tony Bennett said in an interview with Howard Stern on Monday night that 'we caused' the 9/11 attacks. He also went on to say that President George W. Bush confided in him that the war in Iraq was a mistake. Speaking on Stern's Sirius Radio show, Mr Bennett, who describes himself as a pacifist, said: 'They flew the plane in, but we caused it. 'Because we were bombing them and they told us to stop.' Stern had asked the singer, a World War II vet, how the U.S. should deal with the terrorists responsible for the World Trade Centre attacks. 'But who are the terrorists?' Mr Bennett said, according to ABC News. 'Are we the terrorists or are they the terrorists? Two wrongs don't make a right.' The 85-year-old spoke of the night in 2005 when then-President Bush made that astonishing statement. Mr Bennett said: 'He told me personally that night that, he said, 'I think I made a mistake".' The event was in honour of Mr Bennett and he said he believed Mr Bush made the admission because he liked the singer. Mr Bennett said that his experiences as a teenager in combat in the Second World War forever changed his position on war. Haunting: Bennett said his views on war and 9/11 are shaped by his time in the U.S. Army during the Second World War 'I'm anti-war,' he said. 'It's the lowest form of human behaviour.' He was drafted by the U.S. Army in November 1944 and served as an infantryman in Europe, moving across France, and later into Germany. He said: 'The Germans were frightened. We were frightened. Nobody wanted to kill anybody when we were on the line, but the weapons were so strong that it overcame us and everybody else. The day before his controversial remarks Bennett celebrated his 85th birthday gala in New York on Sunday, joined daughters Joanna, far left, Antonia, far right, and Susan Crow Mr Bennett credited the Army with allowing him to study singing. He said: 'The first time I saw a dead German, that's when I became a pacifist.' He told Mr Stern that he was left forever shaken by the sight of death. The big guns were there: Former President Bill Clinton joins Bennett on stage at his 85th Birthday Gala in New York on Sunday Mr Bennett said: 'It was a nightmare that's permanent. 'I just said, "This is not life. This is not life".' That's why, he added, that he agrees with Mr Bush. He said: 'To start a war in Iraq was a tremendous, tremendous mistake internationally.' The night before, Mr Bennett, who is currently promoting his new album, Duets II, enjoyed a star-studded party in his honour at his 85th Birthday Gala Benefit for Exploring the Arts at The Metropolitan Opera House in New York. Guests included Bill Clinton, Elton John and Robert DeNiro.
But he also admitted that his two years of service gave him enough time to witness the horrors of war.
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#12. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#1)
Mostly from people using relying on their initial kneejerk reaction,instead of their minds. BTW,this includes Tony Bennett to a certain extent. He is right when it comes to the mythical country of "Arabia/Muslimandia" feeling under attack from America,and the attacks on 9-11 being counter attacks in THEIR minds. Face it,the typical Muslim ain't exactly the most informed and unbiased mind out there. Most of them get most of their VERY pro-Muslim/anti-Christian/Anti-west news from their religious cult leader in one form or another,so it is only natural for most of them to see an invasion of a Muslim country (Iraq and Afghanistan) as a attack on all of them. And since a combined force of every military branch from every Muslim nation in the world on the US would last MAYBE 15 minutes against the US military,guerrilla/terrorist methods are the only methods available to them. He is wrong when he starts mumbling the "but who are the terrorists?" nonsense. Not quite as wrong as the neo-Con RINO and neo-com Dims are with their insane policy of continuing to attack rifle carriers instead of the bankers and the clerics who keep pushing the ignorant brainwashed religious loons out the door and handing them rifles,but still wrong. What HE isn't seeing is that the majority of American are as brainwashed as the ignorant Muslim peasants,and think the 9-11 attacks were unprovoked and THEY are now screaming for counter attacks. He is also wrong with his kneejerk "give peace a chance" nonsense once the blood has started flowing. ALMOST as wrong as the politicians that want us to believe and who MAYBE believe themselves that the way to win a war is to kill tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of Privates,instead of taking out the leadership. The REAL leadership,not the field leadership. The politicians,clerics,and international financiers that issue the orders from the top and provide the political cover and the financing. Kill or nullify the efforts of these people in some other way and there will be no reason to kill hundreds of thousands of Privates. Of course,none of the politicians or religious leaders want to do this because they fear the enemy will start targeting THEM instead of anonymous citizens and Privates. This is a culture war and the only way to win it is to influence the culture of the enemy. You don't do this by killing goatherders. You do it by killing or intimidating the cultural leaders to the point where they quit pushing Jihad for profits and power. While the methods being used now are good for the economy and good for politicians who represent areas who benefit from war industry jobs,it's not good for the country or the people who have to do the actual fighting. Or for the cause of World Peace/Whirled Peas,either. But I'd say he's earned the right to say it. That he did.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Well,since even a broken clock is right twice a day,I guess it shouldn't be too shocking to see you being right about something once or twice a year.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Not only that,but he has been mostly apolitical his entire life. Not saying he hasn't voted or supported different candidates,but he has never been out there promoting one party or national candidate over another. BTW,he was just on tv a few minutes ago saying he had been misunderstood,and that nobody loved America more than he does,and that he has a fuller explanation of what he meant on a web site. Presumably his own web site.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Excellent post, but if we were to do as you say, we'd have to go after "our friends" the Saudis.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ I like statism in some of its forms because thanks to statism we have civilization - no rugged individuals built the first canal zones in Mesopotamia, etc.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
He has to clarify his statement for the FOX right wing whacko nationalists. Left leaners are not the ones being offended by Bennett's comments - its the right wing kneejerk tea party types that are jumoing all over this. It's the Dixie Chicks all over again - I guess the right wing whack job contingent (and this article is from a right wing leaning neocon rag in the UK) fears that these messages will filter down to their mind control right wing zombies and change their minds - and they can't let that happen.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
I found it here I am so grateful to be an American and as a World War II veteran, I was proud to fight to protect our values, which have made America the greatest country on the planet. There is simply no excuse for terrorism and the murder of the nearly 3,000 innocent victims of the 9/11 attacks on our country. My life experiences - ranging from the Battle of the Bulge to marching with Martin Luther King - made me a life-long humanist and pacifist, and reinforced my belief that violence begets violence and that war is the lowest form of human behavior. I am sorry if my statements suggested anything other than an expression of my love for my country, my hope for humanity and my desire for peace throughout the world. If you go to the link and read some of the comments, you'll see why this topic is pretty much left un-discussed. Too bad.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ None of this is relevant.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Its not more 'difficult' for me. I don't see how anything in his past mitigates the fact he's expousing pure kook theory. He has a RIGHT to do this as a citizen of our nation, no disputing it. But the fact is military service doesn't give him any particular insight on this topic, nor does it give him any more 'weight', at least in my view.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Not surprising, you confuse the broad term "government" with the narrower terms "statist"or "statism". We used to have - in this country - an example of a government THAT WAS NOT STATIST that still settled a continent, allowed a trans-continental railroad to be built, allowed for inventors like Bell, Edison, and the Wright Bros. to do their thing, and yes - even built the Panama Canal. When a gov't is STATIST, however, it inevitably ends up with things like gulags, rounding up of dissidents, thought police, "re-education" camps and the like. What's funny is this - the fact that you must think that somehow you are "special" to those who you flak for. You think you will somehow "escape" all the bad that will come from your statist utopia. Here's a news flash - Lenin said of people like you that you were "useful idiots." You and your brethren will be first in line . . . at the camps, that is.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ The guy is a WW2 vet, an accomplished artist (both song and paintings) and he is still going strong at 85 years and has a lifetime of accomplishments and behavior that has never been termed bizarre but say an opinion that contradicts the party line and suddenly he is 'bizarre'. You poor American bastards living under a subtle totalitarian regime (which has more people in prisons than the old USSR did and red China) and you don't even know it. I never thought I'd see the day, where I would agree 100% with one of your comments. Yet here we are, and your observation is spot-on. The USA is not marching- but running- towards government corporatist Fascism, much like Italy under Mussolini. Corporatist fascism is kissing cousins with National Socialism, at a practical level. Unfortunately, you espouse Socialism as the solution to all the evils of the world... Your failure of logic is that the well- organized evils of the world, are organized BY governments. That is, your solution is more of what's causing the problems! I fully recognize where we're at in this country, and where we're going... Some of us *have* escaped the mental prison built by propaganda- some of us by simply waking up, some of us by spending enough time outside Western media influences, to understand how much we've been lied to... It would be a mistake on your part, to make such a sweeping generalization, because it's demonstrably incorrect.
To :Skippy, toe-jam, old man Fred Alzheimers Mertz, _jim, loonymom/ming, e-type-jackoff, goober56, Wrek, calcon, dummy DwarF, continental op, Biff, gobsheit and meguro FOX News - check Can you write in anything other than stereotypes? Here's a clue - I'm about as "right-wing" as you can get, but I have no use for the endless wars that statists like LBJ, Clinton, the Bushes and now Obama seem to be determined to get us in. So wise up - if you're capable.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ I don't see how you can make the "kook" argument. It's an intellectually lazy response, to points made not only by him, but Ron Paul and even the CIA ("blowback," anyone?). Your attempts to dismiss him in such a knee-jerk reaction, without supporting your statement, critically undermines your position.
To :Skippy, toe-jam, old man Fred Alzheimers Mertz, _jim, loonymom/ming, e-type-jackoff, goober56, Wrek, calcon, dummy DwarF, continental op, Biff, gobsheit and meguro KOOK FIGHT!!!!
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Our vet Badeye who wears it on his sleeve and claiming Bennett's WW2 combat infantryman experience holds no weight is pure idiocy. I knew someone would call him on it and I'm glad CE did.
Nice to see you guys agreeing on something.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ and just when I was beginning to think Badeye and CE were the same person.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
I missed that one and I'm stumped now. Did he mean exposing or espousing?
OUCH...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
It means..."Gimme another Crown and Coke..."
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Like I said yesterday, you're nothing but an asshole on the internet, Freddy. btw, Bennett JUST APOLOGIZED. Game, set and match, freddo
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
No surprise, goofy.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
He likes that American Honey stuff on occasion. I don't have the heart to tell him it's a woman's drink, at least that's how it is marketed and promoted.
You are so predictable Boofer. (grin)
Most places refer to it as "Vagisil"...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
It's an intellectually lazy response, No, CE, its easy for the 'kook' part, because every theory suggested as to 'conspiracy' has been utterly debunked, many times. As for the latter, after a decade of this, sorry, I just won't waste to much time, knowing 1)Kooks won't accept reality on this issue...2) Its wasted effort. Believe what you want ot believe.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
(chuckle) I'm waiting for his response to my #34. He can't help himself.
Nobody knows what a 'boofer' is Freddy. As for 'predictable' you mouthing shit on the internet you'd never have the balls to do to somebody's face is whats 'predictable'. You and the laughable dwarf, two pussies on the internet.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Sorry...but you've been gamesetamtach[ed]freddo and you know what that means!!! No? Well...neither do I but then we don't have the same self-esteem "issues" as Irma La Boof...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
If I don't respond, you bitch. If I do respond, you bitch. Basically, you remain a bitch, Freddy.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Woudln't know, don't see the lil guy's posts.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Sure they do...a Boofer is...YOU... As for 'predictable' you mouthing shit on the internet you'd never have the balls to do to somebody's face is whats 'predictable'. Oooo...Myst...don't let that evil Dwarf post here...ever...he's a mean man who tried once to hurt me!!!! You're such a sniveling little twit, Boof...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Your dick posts here and you have it opn bozo?
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
You libertarian cult members don't get to make up shit. Statism is a term usually describing a political philosophy that emphasises the role of the state in politics or supports the use of the state to achieve economic, military or social goals. That is exactly what made human beings from hunter gathering retard tribesman to builders of cities. You filthy scumbag libertarianists have made these fake assertions that the govt builds highways hence once day it will build death camps, also. You want to live in an anti-statist place? No govt? Move to Somalia.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
I espouse a mixed market system as found in Europe and everywhere there is civilization - even in the USA, which the right wing kooks deny is a part of our economy. You kooks on the right label it al as 'socialist" so I just play along - God forbid I educate you on subtly.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
You know what a Venn Diagram is? Your views intersect with a large aspect of those on your right wing universe I labeled kooks. I am "right wing" as well but I embrace a right wing that wants no part of unregulated capitalism and is for a safety-net with a dollop of nationalism. In Europe it is called the "social market" but it is found all over the world as the standard form of govt and economy mix. Since you espouse an economic system based on ideology with no real world analog - I must place you in the kook category - despite my agreeing with your non intervention stance.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Unfortunately their programing doesn't allow for the perception of significant but subtle differences.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Here's an easy demonstration why you're taking the intellectually lazy way out: 19 out of 20 hijackers commandeered airplanes, in a coordinated fashion, to perform terrorist acts on the USA on 9/11/01. THEY conspired- and succeeded. Thus, it's not a conspiracy "theory." It was a conspiracy, that happened to be overwhelmingly successful (from their viewpoint). Thanks for playing.
To :Skippy, toe-jam, old man Fred Alzheimers Mertz, _jim, loonymom/ming, e-type-jackoff, goober56, Wrek, calcon, dummy DwarF, continental op, Biff, gobsheit and meguro Aha. So you're a corporatist. You must be an admirer of Mussolini. No wonder why you love oBUMa- he's a modern Mussolini wannabe. To :Skippy, toe-jam, old man Fred Alzheimers Mertz, _jim, loonymom/ming, e-type-jackoff, goober56, Wrek, calcon, dummy DwarF, continental op, Biff, gobsheit and meguro So you're a corporatist. You must be an admirer of Mussolini. I find you trying to figure out categories funny since you post anti-capitaist stuff all the time as proof you defend capitalism. I think you are actually a loon and treat you like the brain damaged person you are. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,890558,00.html Monday, May 25, 1953 Looking out over devastated Europe at war's end in 1945 the journalists of the world—plain reporters and exalted pundits—considered the future and, to a man, came to the same conclusion: Europe would go left and socialist. The right, dishonored by the Petains and Papens, and by its devotion to 19 century capitalism, was doomed. The center, caught between the stridencies of right & left, and forced to choose, would have to go left. Communists and Socialists had made a name in the undergrounds and concentration camps. And in the end, Socialism, the wave of the future, would triumph, as it had in Scandinavia long before, and in Britain only recently. The experts were wrong. Instead, postwar Europe's dominant force turned out to be Christian Democracy. Today, Christian Democrats govern or share heavily in the governing of every war-torn country of Western Europe; most of their Premiers and all of their foreign ministers (except The Netherlands') are Christian Democrats. All are disciples of European unity, all share an overall philosophy, all—perhaps by political accident—are Roman Catholics. When Italy's De Gasperi, West Germany's Adenauer and France's Bidault sit down to negotiate a treaty or discuss the future, they draw from a common religious inspiration that sees Europe reunited as it was before Europe burst asunder in post-Reformation strife. They share, too, the paradox of having come to power frankly religious men, in a Europe heavily influenced since the Age of Enlightenment by secularistic and often anti-religious political doctrine. In such a scene, the Christian Democrats have learned not to accent their sectarian differences, but to stress what they have in common. What is their credo? Fundamentally, it is the common heritage of Western civilization, a Judeo-Christian heritage with which men of all faiths may agree. Their basic philosophical faith may be generally stated as a belief in 1) the fatherhood of God, 2) the brotherhood of man, 3) the essential dignity of man, and 4) the right of the individual to hold and administer private property, subject to his responsibilities to his fellowmen. Christian Democracy began as a Christian Socialism and gradually moved towards center and right. Originally, its intention was to escape the bleak godlessness of both left and right, while avoiding the charge of church domination, particularly domination by the Vatican. Trying to oppose materialism, while meeting it on its own good ground of material welfare for all, involves difficulties. "The Christian is a citizen of two worlds," says Catholic Philosopher Heinrich Rommen, "the City of God and the City of Man. He is destined for the former, but he must live and work for his salvation in the latter." From a deep and common tap root, the Christian Democrats of Europe branch out in a variety of directions. In France, the party's name is Mouvement Republicain Populaire. In theory, it stands only a few steps away from mild Socialism, but in practice it sits mostly in the center. It began in the heroism of the French underground. For more than a year between the fall of France and Hitler's attack on Russia, the French Resistance was organized and dominated by courageous young veterans like Georges Bidault, now French Foreign Minister; Pierre-Henri Teitgen (now M.R.P. president). "The prominence of so many individual devout Catholics in the Resistance," reported one student of France, "saved the church in France." For some time, the M.R.P. was the largest party in France. Now worn and watered down after eight debilitating years in the cockpit of French party politics, it now attracts about 12% of the French electorate. Best known for its support of family allowances, which arrested the decline in France's birth rate, the M.R.P. is parted from its ideological neighbors by an anxious controversy over church schools. In West Germany, Christian Democracy is the party of conservative Chancellor Konrad Adenauer, but is still flavored by the Christian Socialism of the Catholic Labor movement. Mitbestimmungsrecht, for example, the radical program under which many German workers share in the management of industry, was energetically pushed by Catholic labor. Where France's M.R.P. works in a nominally (97%) Catholic community, Catholic Adenauer's party works in the shadow of historic Catholic-Protestant cleavage in Germany. But it numbers thousands of Protestants in its coalition (they total about 30%), and it has elected Protestant Hermann Ehlers as its vice chairman. Many German Protestants complain, nevertheless, that if Adenauer "were more of a German and less of a Rhineland Catholic," he would slow down his drive for a united Europe and pay more attention to uniting West Germany with the Protestant (and now Communist-ruled) East Germany. Adenauer's Christian Democratic Union comes before the voters this year. High personal prestige and West Germany's remarkable prosperity are in his favor. Diverse as are their political environments and their religious faiths, Western Europe's Christian Democrats are loosely organized into a kind of clearinghouse for Christian parties representing 20 million voters: Last fall it set up a committee to try to define Christian Democracy, but it has still to agree on a definition. Yet Christian Democracy, like so many idealistic abstractions, demonstrably exists. Its faith is demonstrated by the high character of its leaders, whose performance shows that what eludes definition need not pass understanding. Christian Democracy may well take its credo from Edmund Burke: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Given the economic situation of the European countries you love so much; the collapse of the statist USSR; the horrors of Statist Nazi Germany; the collapse of Fascist Italy; and the wonders of Statist Cuba and China; and now the imminent economic collapse of the once great USA (to name just a few) - I'll take MY ideology over yours any day. __________________________________________________________________________________________
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestHe's going to catch a lot of flak for what he said.
#13. To: Godwinson (#8)
The guy is a WW2 vet, an accomplished artist (both song and paintings) and he is still going strong at 85 years and has a lifetime of accomplishments and behavior that has never been termed bizarre but say an opinion that contradicts the party line and suddenly he is 'bizarre'.
#14. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#9)
You can easily dismiss it when it's a statist whacko like Michael Moore or a religious whacko like Louis Farrakhan saying it, but it's more difficult when it's someone like this. Bennett has seen the horrors of war up close and personal - I tend to give more weight to what people like that say.
#15. To: sneakypete (#12)
ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!
#16. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#10)
You seem to like statism in all forms - and the more, the better.
#17. To: sneakypete, Get Outta Dodge! (#14)
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BTW,he was just on tv a few minutes ago saying he had been misunderstood,and that nobody loved America more than he does,and that he has a fuller explanation of what he meant on a web site. Presumably his own web site.
#18. To: sneakypete (#14)
he has a fuller explanation of what he meant on a web site
A Statement from Tony Bennett (clarifying comments made on yesterday's Howard Stern program):
ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!
#19. To: Godwinson (#8)
The guy is a WW2 vet, an accomplished artist (both song and paintings) and he is still going strong at 85 years and has a lifetime of accomplishments and behavior
#20. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#9)
but it's more difficult when it's someone like this. Bennett has seen the horrors of war up close and personal - I tend to give more weight to what people like that say.
#21. To: Godwinson (#16)
I like statism in some of its forms because thanks to statism we have civilization - no rugged individuals built the first canal zones in Mesopotamia, etc.
ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!
#22. To: Godwinson (#8)
Notice the Soviet like spin on the article's title from the news article which calls a thoughtful expression "bizarre" when it is in fact a reflection of what every expert in the region has stated.
From: Capitalist Eric Message:
You're SOCIALIST morons. ESAD.
#23. To: Godwinson (#17)
He has to clarify his statement for the FOX right wing whacko nationalists.
"right wing" - check
"whacko" - check
ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!
#24. To: Badeye (#20)
I don't see how anything in his past mitigates the fact he's expousing pure kook theory.
From: Capitalist Eric Message:
You're SOCIALIST morons. ESAD.
#25. To: Capitalist Eric, lucysmom, mininggold, Skip Intro, Fred Mertz (#24)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#26. To: war (#25)
#27. To: war, Badeye (#25)
KOOK FIGHT!!!!
--war ". . . . he's expousing pure kook theory.
--Badeye ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!
#28. To: war, Fred Mertz (#25)
KOOK FIGHT!!!!
#29. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#27)
#30. To: Fred Mertz (#26)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#31. To: Fred Mertz (#29)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#32. To: Fred Mertz (#26)
#33. To: lucysmom (#28)
#34. To: war (#31)
#35. To: Badeye (#32)
#36. To: Fred Mertz (#34)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#37. To: Capitalist Eric (#24)
I don't see how you can make the "kook" argument.
#38. To: war (#36)
#39. To: Fred Mertz (#35)
#40. To: Fred Mertz (#35)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#41. To: Fred Mertz (#38)
#42. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#27)
#43. To: Badeye (#39)
Nobody knows what a 'boofer' is Freddy
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#44. To: Badeye (#42)
Woudln't know[;] don't see the lil [sic] guy's posts.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#45. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#21)
Not surprising, you confuse the broad term "government" with the narrower terms "statist"or "statism"
#46. To: Capitalist Eric (#22)
Unfortunately, you espouse Socialism as the solution to all the evils of the world...
#47. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#23)
Here's a clue - I'm about as "right-wing" as you can get, but I have no use for the endless wars that statists like LBJ, Clinton, the Bushes and now Obama seem to be determined to get us in.
#48. To: Godwinson (#46)
You kooks on the right label it al as 'socialist" so I just play along - God forbid I educate you on subtly.
#49. To: Badeye (#37)
No, CE, its easy for the 'kook' part, because every theory suggested as to 'conspiracy' has been utterly debunked, many times.
From: Capitalist Eric Message:
You're SOCIALIST morons. ESAD.
#50. To: Godwinson (#47)
I am "right wing" as well but I embrace a right wing that wants no part of unregulated capitalism and is for a safety-net with a dollop of nationalism. In Europe it is called the "social market" but it is found all over the world as the standard form of govt and economy mix.
From: Capitalist Eric Message:
You're SOCIALIST morons. ESAD.
#51. To: Capitalist Eric (#50)
Aha.
#52. To: Godwinson (#47)
Since you espouse an economic system based on ideology with no real world analog
My ideology was in sync with pretty much everyone in mainstream US Gov't pre-FDR. It worked pretty well for about 144 years (1789-1933). - I must place you in the kook category - despite my agreeing with your non intervention stance.
Coming from you - the notorious inquisitionist who would like to see protestants and heretics burned at the stake (which puts you in about the same class as a Muslim kook jihadist) - I CONSIDER THAT AN HONOR, SIR!
ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!
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