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Title: 34% say country would be better off under Hillary Clinton: poll
Source: Raw Story
URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/09/ ... ff-under-hillary-clinton-poll/
Published: Sep 16, 2011
Author: Kase Wickman
Post Date: 2011-09-16 18:35:32 by nolu chan
Keywords: Obama, Hillary, Buyer
Views: 89949
Comments: 139

34% say country would be better off under Hillary Clinton: poll

By Kase Wickman
Friday, September 16th, 2011 -- 3:33 pm

More than a third of Americans said that if Hillary Clinton had been elected president in 2008, the country would be in better shape than it is right now under President Barack Obama's leadership.

The Bloomberg poll showed that Clinton, currently serving as secretary of state, garnered a 64 percent favorability rating, making her the most popular national politician in the country.

Thirty-four percent expressed wishful thinking about a Clinton presidency, up from the 25 percent who responded the same in July 2010.

In the 2008 election, Obama won the majority of delegates necessary to clinch the Democratic nomination after the primaries. During the drawn-out primary battle, Clinton actually won the popular vote, though Obama won 29 states to her 21.

Only 13 percent of respondents said that things would be worse under a Clinton White House.

It's not just Democrats expressing buyers' remorse either: 39 percent of Republicans said that Clinton would run the country better than Obama has.

“Some of her appeal is that she is not Barack Obama,” said J. Ann Selzer, president of Selzer & Co., the group that conducted poll.

No matter what the public's opinion of her, any wishful thinking will remain a fantasy.

“It’s below zero,” Clinton told CNN when asked about the chance of her challenging Obama in 2012. “One of the great things about being secretary of state is I am out of politics. I am not interested in being drawn back into it by anybody.”

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#57. To: Mad Dog, nolu chan (#56)

I bet if you two met in person and not on a political debate board you would have had much kinder words towards each other.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-23   7:23:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: A K A Stone, nolu chan lubber wannabe WOG of the day (#57)

I bet if you two met in person and not on a political debate board you would have had much kinder words towards each other.

Maybe, maybe not.

I'll tell you one thing for sure, NOBODY calls me a liar to my face twice.

But on the other hand, I don't beat up senile OLD people.

I always prefer face to face.

ALWAYS.

(btw, seeing this coming; my use of "wog" is the AMERICAN useage.)

"American English

In the United States, "Wog" is simply short for Pollywog, the navy term for sailors who have yet to cross the equator in the line-crossing ceremony, and has no racial associations."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wog#Ameri can_English

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-23   14:10:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: wannabe lubber WOG nolu chan (#57)

.

I have a C note right here that says you are a COWARDLY no balls lying bitch wog.

I have certified copies of my RER-1 Honorable discharge and DD-214 right here wog.

Make the bet wog and I'll send them to Stone.

Then we'll see who is the LIAR around here wog.

What's the matter coward?

No balls?

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-23   14:54:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: A K A Stone (#57)

I bet if you two met in person and not on a political debate board you would have had much kinder words towards each other.

I'd bet any amount mad dog would bite his leg.

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Whatcha lookin' at, butthead
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?

Biff Tannen  posted on  2011-09-23   15:59:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Bifffffffffffffffffffffffffffy boy Tannen, A K A Stone (#60)

I'd bet any amount mad dog would bite his leg.

LOL!

Not likely biffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffy boy.

However me knocking him onto his ass might be.

Except that he might be OLDER than I am so I wouldn't do that either.

(I don't fight elders, or women, or children, or cripples), (I'd have no problem at all slapping your libTURD ass around some biffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffy boy.) (Although you likely come real close to being a child, and are a well known mental and emotional cripple.)

LOL!

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-23   16:40:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Mad Dog (#53)

Resolution 228 (November 25, 1966)

Reaffirming the necessity for strict adherence to the General Armistice Agreement,

1. Deplores the loss of life and heavy damage to property resulting from the action of the Government of Israel on 13 November 1966;

2. Censures Israel for this large-scale military action in violation of the United Nations Charter and of the General Armistice Agreement between Israel and Jordan;

3. Emphasizes to Israel that actions of military reprisal cannot be tolerated and that, if they are repeated, the Security Council will have to consider further and more effective steps as envisaged in the Charter to ensure against the repetition of such acts;

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-24   3:52:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Mad Dog (#54)

Mad Dog #45

From boot, Fred Dent and I went to FT"A" school, all of the rest of 217 went to the USMC as Corpsmen. Which IF you had ever been in the US NAVY WOG, you'd already know that at that time all Corpsmen started their Corpsmen training at BALBOA.

Mad Dog #54

You IGNORANT little cunt! LOL! YOU even quoted, AND BOLDFACED the part where I said that I was talking about CORPSMAN training you ignorant, stoopid, insipid little goober!

I was talking about where they did their USN CORPSMAN training, not their AIT or whatever and all the rest of all that Marine shit. LOL! I don't know anything about Marine stuff you WOG FOOL. LOL! Why the fuck would I moron? LOL!

From 1913 to 2011 there was only one HM "A" school and it has never been in Balboa nimrod.

Until your boot camp graduates get to HM "A" school and graduate from there, they cannot be Hospital Corpsmen. After that they must take a tour to get some experience on the job. After that they must go train with the Marines. They must acquire the requisite NEC. The Marines in the field actually need real corpsmen who are qualified to treat somebody.

Every jackass but Mad Dog knows that anyone leaving boot camp to be a corpman must have orders to Navy Hospital Corps School. After graduating from the Corpsman school, only then may they be assigned to any sort of treatment facility. Before they go out in the field with the marines, they have another course to take where they issue their field uniforms. Your guys would have been running around naked.

I guess you didn't learn about corpsmen calling themselves trees while you were serving your time in the IDF. You haven't got a friggin clue, you hopeless fraud.

You wouldn't know about the NEC because you think the non-existent Reenlistment Code RER-1 was an NEC. It has to be tough when you do not have a clue what you are talking about. Your guys picked up 8404 straight out of boot camp. Suuuuure they did!

Hospital Corpsman NECs

You can fuss and cuss all you want. You are firmly on the hook and I am just reeling your dumb ass in. You're mine, junior. There has never been a Hospital Corpsman "A" School on the West coast. According to your fantasy history, your guys went to the medical facility in Balboa.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-24   3:58:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: A K A Stone, Mad Dog (#57)

I bet if you two met in person and not on a political debate board you would have had much kinder words towards each other.

Present his trash talk to any veteran you know for an opinion. You will likely be told that Mad Dog is either a fraud or a disgrace.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-24   3:59:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: nolu chan (#64)

Present his trash talk to any veteran you know for an opinion. You will likely be told that Mad Dog is either a fraud or a disgrace.

Do you mean his claim to have personally shot down three Migs might be a lie?

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-09-24   11:58:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Skip Intro (#65)

Do you mean his claim to have personally shot down three Migs might be a lie?

He later changed it to being 'involved' in the incidents.

But you would think the other supposed Navy vets here would have heard of those awe inspiring, historically significant, incidents.

None of my Vietnam era Navy vet relations have.

mininggold  posted on  2011-09-24   12:20:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: mininggold (#66)

But you would think the other supposed Navy vets here would have heard of those awe inspiring, historically significant, incidents.

You would think that half-governor Palin would have heard, too, since he lives in her state. I mentioned a while ago how surprised I was that she didn't have him on the stage with her as a war hero during one of her (non) campaign stops.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-09-24   12:25:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: nolu chan (#64)

Every vet has...oddly...so has every vet that's "met" Boofer...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-24   12:29:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Skip Intro (#67)

You would think that half-governor Palin would have heard, too, since he lives in her state. I mentioned a while ago how surprised I was that she didn't have him on the stage with her as a war hero during one of her (non) campaign stops.

Mad Dog missed a great opportunity. Maybe he's just too humble and shy.

mininggold  posted on  2011-09-24   12:34:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: senile old wannabe lubber nolu chan (#62)

Resolution 228 (November 25, 1966)

Reaffirming the necessity for strict adherence to the General Armistice Agreement, 1. Deplores the loss of life and heavy damage to property resulting from the action of the Government of Israel on 13 November 1966;

2. Censures Israel for this large-scale military action in violation of the United Nations Charter and of the General Armistice Agreement between Israel and Jordan;

3. Emphasizes to Israel that actions of military reprisal cannot be tolerated and that, if they are repeated, the Security Council will have to consider further and more effective steps as envisaged in the Charter to ensure against the repetition of such acts;

LOL!

You senile old wannabe lubber, what the F is that supposed to prove IDIOT?

LOL!

You really are a stoopid F 'er.

LOL!

Hate dem JOOS real bad chan HATE EM!

LOL!

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-24   14:31:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: senile old wannabbe lubber WOG nolu chan (#63)

From 1913 to 2011 there was only one HM "A" school and it has never been in Balboa nimrod.

Until your boot camp graduates get to HM "A" school and graduate from there, they cannot be Hospital Corpsmen. After that they must take a tour to get some experience on the job. After that they must go train with the Marines. They must acquire the requisite NEC. The Marines in the field actually need real corpsmen who are qualified to treat somebody.

Every jackass but Mad Dog knows that anyone leaving boot camp to be a corpman must have orders to Navy Hospital Corps School. After graduating from the Corpsman school, only then may they be assigned to any sort of treatment facility. Before they go out in the field with the marines, they have another course to take where they issue their field uniforms. Your guys would have been running around naked.

I guess you didn't learn about corpsmen calling themselves trees while you were serving your time in the IDF. You haven't got a friggin clue, you hopeless fraud.

You wouldn't know about the NEC because you think the non-existent Reenlistment Code RER-1 was an NEC. It has to be tough when you do not have a clue what you are talking about. Your guys picked up 8404 straight out of boot camp. Suuuuure they did!

Hospital Corpsman NECs

ou can fuss and cuss all you want. You are firmly on the hook and I am just reeling your dumb ass in. You're mine, junior. There has never been a Hospital Corpsman "A" School on the West coast. According to your fantasy history, your guys went to the medical facility in Balboa.

LOL!

You insipid little COWARDLY < Deleted By X >.

I don't know s**t about being or how you become a CORPSMAN. WHY WOULD I FOOL?

CORPSMEN = BALBOA when I was in the NAV you little gibbering bitch.

I don't know or CARE where they went you idiot.

LOL!

Why don't you ask me about MY rate, (FT), you foul < Deleted By X >?

Because I would be expected to know about it?

Since you have never served in the US NAVY, you likely have no idea how LARGE it is and WAS.

Bottom line you COWARDLY foul little lying .

I have $5.00 right here that says that you are a LYING COWARDLY Piece Of s**t.

You can afford $5.00 can't you < Deleted By X >? You could cut $5.00 out of your welfare check couldn't you gramps?

IF you don't have the BALLS to bet a mere $5.00, and let STONE make a determination from certified copies of my RER-1 HONORABLE and DD-214, then you are OBVIOUSLY just a foul lying cunt! Who KNOWS that you are LYING about a man's service and you just want to keep repeating the LIE.

When did you turn into a HYPOCRITE COWARD gramps? Or have YOU ALWAYS been one?

$5.00 right < Deleted by X >

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-24   14:56:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: A K A Stone, COWARDLY foul little wannabe lubber bitch nolu chan (#64)

Present his trash talk to any veteran you know for an opinion. You will likely be told that Mad Dog is either a fraud or a disgrace.

Present this foul senile old bitch "chan' to any REAL vet and they'd piss on him.

Stone this guy "chan" is a FRAUD.

Could you please supply me an address that I can send you certified copies of my discharge and DD-214 to PROVE I am who and what I have said that I am.

If you are willing to do so.

IF this foul senile old bitch "chan" had any honor or BALLs he'd take my wager, I'd shut these cowardly lying scum's pie holes and LF would get some money.

Of course you understand that once we do this they will start calling YOU a liar. (Because it's not about the actual truth with filth such as "chan" it's about throwing as much shit as you can at a guy hoping some of it will stick.)(Plus it's main use is to try to bug me LOL! Like it matters to me what these libTURD SCUM "believe"! LOL!)

I'll send them to you USPS Priority Mail as soon as I get an address STONE.

Thanks man.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-24   15:09:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: whinyOLD, skippy poo poop french fries commando Intro (#66)

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-24   15:20:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Skippy Poo Poo french fries commando Intro (#67)

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-24   15:23:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: whinyOLD (#69)

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-24   15:24:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: senile old wannabe lubber bitch WOG nolu chan (#63) (Edited)

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-24   15:59:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Mad Dog (#74)

That is no way to talk to a lady. So I am deleting it. I'm also going to ask you to refrain from putting words like that when you address the posters here.

Moderator X  posted on  2011-09-24   23:04:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Skip Intro (#65)

Do you mean his claim to have personally shot down three Migs might be a lie?

He's a stolen valor veteran of the internet.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-25   7:26:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Mad Dog (#70)

You senile old wannabe lubber, what the F is that supposed to prove IDIOT?

Resolution 237 (June 14, 1967)

Considering that all the obligations of the Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War of 12 August 1949 /5 should be complied with by the parties involved in the conflict,

1. Calls upon the Government of Israel to ensure the safety, welfare and security of the inhabitants of the areas where military operations have taken place and to facilitate the return of those inhabitants who have fled the areas since the outbreak of hostilities ;

2. Recommends to the Governments concerned the scrupulous respect of the humanitarian principles governing the treatment of prisoners of war and the protection of civilian persons in time of war contained in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-25   7:29:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Mad Dog (#71)

Mad Dog #71

I don't know s**t about being or how you become a CORPSMAN. WHY WOULD I FOOL?

CORPSMEN = BALBOA when I was in the NAV you little gibbering bitch.

I don't know or CARE where they went you idiot.

LOL!

Why don't you ask me about MY rate, (FT), you foul < Deleted By X >?

Because I would be expected to know about it?

I haven't asked FT questions because I have been demonstrating that YOUR claims about Hospital Corpsmen are impossible. They are YOUR claims, YOU made them, and I am rubbing your bullcrap in your face.

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=169733&Disp=326#C326

#326. To: sneakypete (#325)

No, you are incorrect, the US NAVY had "Naval Enlistment Codes", (NECs).

During Vietnam the USMC was part of the NAV,(the Commandant of the Marine Corps reported directly to the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO), (I think that Slick Willie aka the Stainmeister, changed that).

The Corps had MOSs. But they knew, (and hated) that they were part of the USN.

But you doggies did it ALL yourselves right?

Right.

Out of forty, (40), "graduates" of NTC San Diego, company 217, 1968; 38 went to serve with the Corps as Corpsmen, two (2) went to the 7th fleet.

But you doggies did it ALL your ownselves right?

Right.

DesRon 15, look it up doggie.

Mad Dog posted on 2006-12-21 3:14:46 ET Reply Trace

Did any veterans out there enjoy a boot camp with only 40 graduates in their company? What was that called? ASMO company?

DesRon 15? Does that mean attached to the staff of the Commander, Destroyer Squadron Fifteen?

Mad Dog #45

From boot, Fred Dent and I went to FT"A" school, all of the rest of 217 went to the USMC as Corpsmen. Which IF you had ever been in the US NAVY WOG, you'd already know that at that time all Corpsmen started their Corpsmen training at BALBOA.

Mad Dog #54

You IGNORANT little cunt! LOL! YOU even quoted, AND BOLDFACED the part where I said that I was talking about CORPSMAN training you ignorant, stoopid, insipid little goober!

I was talking about where they did their USN CORPSMAN training, not their AIT or whatever and all the rest of all that Marine shit. LOL! I don't know anything about Marine stuff you WOG FOOL. LOL! Why the fuck would I moron? LOL!

No, you were explicitly talking about 38 of the 40 going to the Marine Corps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Medical_Center_San_Diego

During World War II, due to large numbers of casualties coming from the Pacific Theater of Operations, the hospital expanded to include most of the buildings in present day Balboa Park. For instance, the Navy Nurses were housed at the House of Hospitality and the California Building, Fine Arts Gallery and the Natural History Museum were converted into hospital wards. The Lily Pond was used for swim training, the Japanese Tea Garden as a Red Cross Servicemen's Center, the House of Pacific Relations as officers' quarters and the Palisades as a Hospital Corps School named Camp Kidd. The Balboa Complex, to include the main Naval Hospital, treated approximately 172,000 patients with a maximum occupancy of 12,000 in December, 1944. In 1946 the Balboa Park grounds and buildings were returned to the city.[3]

http://www.balboaparkhistory.net/glimpses/navalhospital.pdf

The greatest Naval Hospital expansion in Balboa Park began after the December 7, 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor. The hospital went from 56 buildings with a bed capacity of 1,424 in 1941 to 241 buildings covering 247 acres with a bed capacity of 10,499 in 1945. The complex included 33 acres in the Prado and Palisades sections of Balboa Park and a convalescent branch at Rancho Santa Fe, located 30 miles from the main plant.

The Navy used the California Building, Fine Arts Gallery and Natural History Museum as hospital wards, the House of Hospitality as a nurses' dormitory, the Japanese tea garden as a Red Cross Servicemen's Center, the lily pond as a swimming pool, and the House of Pacific Relations as officers' quarters. A Hospital Corps School, known as Camp Kidd, occupied the Palisades.

The Naval Hospital interdenominational chapel was dedicated in January 1945 on land the Navy had leased from the city in 1937 for recreation. At that time, Captain Fred E. Porter, commandant of the hospital, had promised no buildings would be placed there. During World War II, the hospital treated approximately 172,000 patients. On December 27, 1944, patient counts rose to more than 12,000.

In June 1946 the hospital corps vacated its quarters at Camp Kidd and moved back to the main hospital grounds. In 1945, during its peak wartime enrollment, it had 3,400 students. The Navy did not finally vacate the buildings along El Prado until 1948.

http://www.militarymuseum.org/cpKidd.html

LOCATION: The Camp Kidd Naval Training Station was located on the Palisades area of the City of San Diego's Balboa Park, adjacent to the downtown area of San Diego, California.

SITE HISTORY: On 10 December 1941, the Navy acquired 33 acres of the Palisades area of the City of San Diego's Balboa Park. The Camp Kidd Naval Training Station was named in honor of Admiral Issac C. Kidd, who died at Pearl Harbor 7 December 1941. The Navy used Camp Kidd Naval Training Station as a Naval Hospital Corps School (Camp Kidd was designated as Unit 3 of the existing San Diego Naval Hospital and School). The training station occupied 22 existing Balboa Park Exposition Buildings and 33 army-style barracks used for training purposes. Over the 5 years (1941-1945) that the United States participated in World War II, Camp Kidd provided medical, dental, and hygienic training and support to Navy personnel. In addition, housing facilities (five barracks), a dispensary, and recreational facilities were provided. Facilities maintenance and ship service support activities were also conducted at Camp Kidd. After 1945, the Camp Kidd Naval Training Station area was converted to a post-war Naval recreational services center, and was subsequently transferred back to the City of San Diego in the latter half of 1946. The area is currently managed by the City of San Diego's Parks and Recreation Department as part of the present day Balboa Park. Twenty-four (24) buildings once used by the Navy currently exist in the Palisades area of the park. They have all been used beneficially by the City of San Diego.

Source: US Army Corps of Engineers

The process actually works this way:

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/09/obama-brings-guests-to-jobs-speech/1

Joseph Kidd

Joseph Kidd, a 30 year old father, joined the U.S. Navy in 2003 and completed Hospital Corpsman School. Upon graduation, Kidd received his orders to Naval Hospital Okinawa, in Japan. Once his rotation was complete, he moved to Camp Lejeune, NC. While at Camp Lejeune, Kidd was attached to a Marine Corps command, and deployed to Iraq in 2007. After he returned from Iraq, his daughter was born in January of 2009, and he was deployed again in May of 2009 as part of the 22D Marine Expeditionary Unit ... In August, Kidd was one of five veterans to eat lunch with President Obama in Cannon Falls, MN during the rural bus tour. Kidd asked the President to help with credentialing programs that would allow a service member to take his or her skills from the military directly into the private sector.

The recruit does not go from boot camp to the Marines. He must attend "A" School. He must go through Field Medical Service Technician (FMST) training at a Marine Corps facility to earn his HM-8404. This is where he is issued his Marine Corps type uniform gear. Mad Dog's super-sailors skip this assignment and go from boot camp to SURVIVOR: Marine Corps where they do their Richard Hatch impersonation and go naked. With no particular medical training or experience, they just run about sticking their hands into marines' innards and patching them up. Apparently, some train at a ghost facility in Balboa Park.

Of his own "knowledge," Mad Dog tells the world that once upon a time, 38 of 40 recruits from company 68-217 went directly to serve with the Marine Corps. As a sea story, this should begin with "now this ain't no shit."

http://www.lejeune.usmc.mil/fmtb/fmst.shtml

Field Medical Service Technician (FMST)

Welcome to Field Medical Training Battalion! The Field Medical Service Technician (FMST) course is designed for E1 to E5 Hospital Corpsmen though more senior personnel are occasionally enrolled. For over 100 years, young men and women have been answering the call to save lives on the battlefield. For the past 65 years, Corpsmen have been receiving training here at Field Medical Training Battalion. The information below will help you prepare for your training.

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COURSE DESCRIPTION:

During this 8 week course, you will have a mix of classroom and field training. Emphasis is placed on learning field medicine by using the principles of Tactical Combat Casualty Care (TCCC). This includes familiarization with USMC organization and procedures, competency in Marine Corps Martial Arts Program (MCMAP), logistics, and administrative support in a field environment. Additionally, training will include general military subjects, individual and small unit tactics, military drills, physical training/conditioning, and weapons familiarization with the opportunity to qualify on the rifle. Completion of FMST results in the student receiving Navy Enlisted Classification HM-8404. See “Student Material” to download a copy of the Student Manual that you will use during your training (you will receive a copy of this text upon arrival).

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REPORTING INFORMATION:

DO NOT REPORT TO THE MAIN BASE AT CAMP LEJEUNE OR THE NAVAL HOSPITAL!!!!!

• Personnel report directly to FMTB Camp Johnson, Building M-321. Phone (910) 450-0712/0750.

• Personnel shall report in the appropriate seasonal dress uniform, i.e. khakis, Dress Blues or Service Dress Whites. The winter uniform period is from approximately mid-October through mid-March. You may telephone the school to confirm the type of uniform required.

• Personnel shall report with their original orders, service, health, dental, and pay records or documents

• Personnel reporting on TAD orders should report with their original TAD orders.

[...]

ISSUED GEAR

Bring a complete sea bag. For the first few days of class, you will be wearing dungarees. For graduation, you will be wearing either your Dress Whites or Dress Blues. All uniform items listed below will be issued to you shortly after arrival:

• 1 pair of Infantry Combat boots

• 1 pair of hot weather boots

• 2 Utility Covers (1 Woodland and 1 Desert)

• 2 Booney Covers (1 Woodland and 1 Desert)

• 4 Combat Utility Blouses (2 Woodland and 2 Desert)

• 4 Combat Utility Trousers (2 Woodland and 2 Desert)

• 6 pairs of cushion sole socks

• 2 HM collar devices

• 4 sets name tapes (2 Woodland and 2 Desert)

• 6 green undershirts (3 cotton and 3 synthetic)

• 1 Sweater

• 1 pair of green shorts

• 1 Marine Corps sweat suit (top and bottom)

• 1 web belt

• 1 belt buckle

• 1 glowbelt

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-25   7:32:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Mad Dog (#71)

Mad Dog #71

Since you have never served in the US NAVY, you likely have no idea how LARGE it is and WAS.

Bottom line you COWARDLY foul little lying .

I have $5.00 right here that says that you are a LYING COWARDLY Piece Of s**t.

You can afford $5.00 can't you < Deleted By X >? You could cut $5.00 out of your welfare check couldn't you gramps?

IF you don't have the BALLS to bet a mere $5.00, and let STONE make a determination from certified copies of my RER-1 HONORABLE and DD-214, then you are OBVIOUSLY just a foul lying cunt! Who KNOWS that you are LYING about a man's service and you just want to keep repeating the LIE.

Oh come on skippy. Produce your NAVPERS 1830/3 and show that you were a man and not a wimpering sissy who couldn't cut it.

Here's what a real one of those looks like skippy.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-25   7:35:46 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: nolu chan (#79)

The UN should be nuked.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-25   10:35:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Moderator X (#77)

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Do as you will.

It won't change the FACT that ALL of those libTURD whores aren't ladies in any way.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-25   14:48:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: lubber WOG nolu chan (#78)

lubber WOG chan is a COWARD who won't take a bet that will prove "him" to be a LIAR.

chan YOU are a lying, cowardly, lubber WOG piece of shit, and you need your mommy , (Ms. "X"), to wipe your little butt when you shit out your miserable LIES.

What's the matter COWARD you still won't take the bet?

Because you'd rather KEEP lying eh bitch?

LOL!

You filthy LYING POS lubber WOG COWARD.

Now go cry to your mommy you little bitch,

Spit ...

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-25   14:59:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: wannabe lubber WOG nolu chan (#79)

You senile old wannabe lubber WOG, what the F is that supposed to prove IDIOT?

We ALL already know that the UN HATES JOOS almost as much as you do WOG.

What else are you trying to prove other than that you are a brain dead JOOO hating POS wannabe lubber WOG bitch?

WE ALL already know that bitch.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-25   15:03:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: wannabe lubber WOG nolu chan (#80) (Edited)

BLAH BLAH B:LAH BLAH

fwlW;"I haven't asked FT questions because I have been demonstrating that YOUR claims about Hospital Corpsmen are impossible. They are YOUR claims, YOU made them, and I am rubbing your bullcrap in your face."

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WOG, I've made no "claims" about how to become a CORPSMAN you gibbering piece of shit WOG.

I got where they do their "A' school wrong, so fucking what you miserable piece of shit?

I have never claimed to BE a CORPSMAN have I WOG?

I was a FT(M).

The truth is that 38 of the 40 guys in my bootcamp company went to be CORPSMEN. That's all that I know about it, I never saw any of them again, and I never have claimed to know a fucking thing about how to be a Marine or CORPSMAN you miserable gibbering wannabe lubber WOG.

Just like YOU don't know shit about how to be a FT you wannabe lubber WOG.

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fwlW; "Did any veterans out there enjoy a boot camp with only 40 graduates in their company? What was that called? ASMO company?

DesRon 15? Does that mean attached to the staff of the Commander, Destroyer Squadron Fifteen?"

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MD; IF you had ever really gone to bootcamp at NTCSD, then you'd KNOW that companies started out with about FIFTY recruits, THEN they end up GRADUATING with whatever number they end up with after people drop out. Do you even know what "the GRINDER" is?, you foul LYING wannabe lubber WOG bitch?

MD; DESRON 15 is Destroyer SQUADRON 15, currently forward deployed out of Yokosuka Japan since 1972. My ship, USS Parsons DDG-33 was one of the original, (post WW2), ships of THIS SQUADRON. WE, such as in I, and the rest of MY ship and MY crew, took her over to YOKOSUKA in '72 from 32nd St. Diego. In fact you lying wannabe lubber WOG we were allowed to take our DOGS over with us on board Parsons. So I've had DOGS who were more of a seafarer than YOU are WOG. LOL!

So, in review ...

Where did I ever say that I knew a GOD DAMNED thing about being a F ing Marine or CORPSMAN you lousy piece of wannabe lubber WOG shit?

You are a foul little wannabe lubber WOG COWARD and I'd love to meet you face to face, any time you little bitch.

Sigh ... never happen ...

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-25   15:30:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: wannabe lubber WOG nolu chan (#81)

Oh come on skippy. Produce your NAVPERS 1830/3 and show that you were a man and not a wimpering sissy who couldn't cut it.

Here's what a real one of those looks like skippy.

LOL!

I know what a REAL Fleet Reserve certificate looks like you wannabe lubber WOG.

Nice picture of a fleet reserve certificate, you lying wannabe LUBBER WOG. Too bad that there's no way to PROVE that it's YOURS bitch.

We already know that you can cut n past, you lying wannabe lubber WOG SCUM.

And bitch, I don't have a Fleet Reserve Certificate, I earned a HONORABLE RE-R1 Discharge, (form DD256N (Rev.5-50)); I did ALL of my time active except for my 3 months delayed entry before going to boot WOG.

LOL!

You are too much of a COWARD and LIAR to even TRY to claim a RATE, or a SHIP aren't you you foul lying miserable wannabe lubber WOG??

AND I KNOW that a lubber WOG like you hasn't the balls to stand before Neptune do you bitch? So even IF you had been supercargo crossing the line you'd never have the stones to make ther initiation would you bitch? (Tell us all where and when YOU were initiated bitch)(Oh yeah you weren't!) LOL!

LOL! gibber on F ing senile OLD wannabe lubber WOG.

Btw WOG, we can settle this very easily, I'll send STONE certified copies of my Honorable Discharge AND my DD-214. I'll redact all personal data of course BUT I will sign them both, and you will be able to see that my signature matches the signature that is on the recording stamps where I had them recorded with the Recorder of the City and County of San Francisco 7January1974.

That's what they call "PROOF" WOG.

We'll make a mere token bet of $100.00, that will be paid by the LOSER to Stone within 30 days of the matter being settled.

The bet is that I am EXACTLY what I have claimed to be or I am NOT.

So put up or shut up you foul COWARDLY lying wannabe lubber WOG bitch.

No BALLS.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-25   15:58:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: A K A Stone (#82)

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What say YOU stone?

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-25   16:07:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Mad Dog (#88)

What say YOU stone?

I don't give out my address.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-25   16:17:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: A K A Stone, MAd Dog, nolu chan (#89)

Mad Dog has gotten his ass kicked as good as any that I have ever seen on any website...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-25   16:36:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: A K A Stone (#89) (Edited)

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Why would I want your personal address?

You own this site and you don't have a drop address that is different from your personal address?

That's kinda unwise isn't it?

How do people send you money to support this site?

I understand not wanting to get into the middle of this sort of thing, but hey IF you could honestly make money for your site AND put LIARS out of business why not?

Then I want to know why it's OK for these SCUM to keep calling me a liar about my service, but it's not OK for me to call them what they REALLY are?

It's your "boat" so I will abide by whatever you decide.

BUT I will also continue to call these LYING SCUM, exactly what they are, FUCKING LYING SCUM.

So maybe you just ought to ban me now?

Because these foul LYING SCUM will never ever get anything but the back of my hand up the side of their heads, or my boot in their big FAT lying libTURD SCUM asses.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-25   16:54:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: senile OLD wannabe lubber WOG nolu chan (#81)

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LOL!

That's no "proof" of anything, except for your already noted skill at "cut n paste" WOG.

It's not even a HONORABLE DISCHARGE is it WOG?

IF you are claiming service in the NAV WOG ...

Where do YOU claim to have done boot WOG?

Where did you do YOUR "A"/"C"/other school WOG?

What was YOUR first ship WOG?

What was YOUR RATE WOG?

What ships did YOU serve on and where and when WOG?

What was YOUR Department WOG? What was YOUR Division WOG?

Where did YOU cross the line WOG, on board what ship WOG?

Where's YOUR Honorable Discharge WOG?

Where's YOUR DD-214 WOG?

Tell us all about it WOG.

YOU COWARD. YOU LIAR. YOU CREEP. YOU WANNABE LUBBER WOG.

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Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-25   17:18:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: A K A Stone (#82)

The UN should be nuked.

That might kill tens of millions of innocent American citizens around the NY Metro area. Is that what you really want? The same effect can be had by withdrawing American financing from the UN. Without U.S. financing and support, it would just go away.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-25   23:52:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Mad Dog (#85)

Resolution 242 (November 22, 1967)

Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in which every State in the area can live in security,

Emphasizing further that all Member States in their acceptance of the Charter of the United Nations have undertaken a commitment to act in accordance with Article 2 of the Charter.

1. Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:

(i) Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;

(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-25   23:53:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Mad Dog (#86)

Mad Dog #86

WOG, I've made no "claims" about how to become a CORPSMAN you gibbering piece of shit WOG.

I got where they do their "A' school wrong, so fucking what you miserable piece of shit?

I have never claimed to BE a CORPSMAN have I WOG?

I was a FT(M).

The truth is that 38 of the 40 guys in my bootcamp company went to be CORPSMEN. That's all that I know about it, I never saw any of them again, and I never have claimed to know a fucking thing about how to be a Marine or CORPSMAN you miserable gibbering wannabe lubber WOG.

[...]

MD; IF you had ever really gone to bootcamp at NTCSD, then you'd KNOW that companies started out with about FIFTY recruits, THEN they end up GRADUATING with whatever number they end up with after people drop out. Do you even know what "the GRINDER" is?, you foul LYING wannabe lubber WOG bitch?

[...]

So, in review ...

Where did I ever say that I knew a GOD DAMNED thing about being a F ing Marine or CORPSMAN you lousy piece of wannabe lubber WOG shit?

[...] Mad Dog posted on 2011-09-25 15:30:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

Mad Dog #71

I don't know s**t about being or how you become a CORPSMAN. WHY WOULD I FOOL?

CORPSMEN = BALBOA when I was in the NAV you little gibbering bitch.

I don't know or CARE where they went you idiot.

LOL!

Why don't you ask me about MY rate, (FT), you foul < Deleted By X >?

Because I would be expected to know about it?

I haven't asked FT questions because I have been demonstrating that YOUR claims about Hospital Corpsmen are impossible. They are YOUR claims, YOU made them, and I am rubbing your bullcrap in your face.

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=169733&Disp=326#C326

#326. To: sneakypete (#325)

No, you are incorrect, the US NAVY had "Naval Enlistment Codes", (NECs).

During Vietnam the USMC was part of the NAV,(the Commandant of the Marine Corps reported directly to the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO), (I think that Slick Willie aka the Stainmeister, changed that).

The Corps had MOSs. But they knew, (and hated) that they were part of the USN.

But you doggies did it ALL yourselves right?

Right.

Out of forty, (40), "graduates" of NTC San Diego, company 217, 1968; 38 went to serve with the Corps as Corpsmen, two (2) went to the 7th fleet.

But you doggies did it ALL your ownselves right?

Right.

DesRon 15, look it up doggie.

Mad Dog posted on 2006-12-21 3:14:46 ET Reply Trace

Did any veterans out there enjoy a boot camp with only 40 graduates in their company? What was that called? ASMO company?

Mad Dog #45

From boot, Fred Dent and I went to FT"A" school, all of the rest of 217 went to the USMC as Corpsmen. Which IF you had ever been in the US NAVY WOG, you'd already know that at that time all Corpsmen started their Corpsmen training at BALBOA.

Mad Dog #54

You IGNORANT little cunt! LOL! YOU even quoted, AND BOLDFACED the part where I said that I was talking about CORPSMAN training you ignorant, stoopid, insipid little goober!

I was talking about where they did their USN CORPSMAN training, not their AIT or whatever and all the rest of all that Marine shit. LOL! I don't know anything about Marine stuff you WOG FOOL. LOL! Why the fuck would I moron? LOL!

No, you were explicitly talking about 38 of the 40 going to the Marine Corps. Your repeated attempts to rewrite your lie only adds to the length of your lie.

No, you did not just get the "A" School wrong. You claimed a company size of 40, and claimed 38 of the 40 went to serve with the Marine Corps. Your fairy tale is imaginary. Your corpsmen went to your claimed ghost facility, and never went to gain any experience, nor did they go to a Marine Corps facility to earn their NEC or get their required uniforms. Quite simply, you did not have a clue what you were talking about and got caught telling another imaginary tale from your alleged military service.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-26   0:02:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Mad Dog (#86)

Mad Dog #86

MD; IF you had ever really gone to bootcamp at NTCSD, then you'd KNOW that companies started out with about FIFTY recruits, THEN they end up GRADUATING with whatever number they end up with after people drop out. Do you even know what "the GRINDER" is?, you foul LYING wannabe lubber WOG bitch?

Actually, every boot camp prints a boot camp book for each company. In San Diego it is the Anchor. In Great Lakes, it is the Keel, Orlando has the Rudder, and Bainbridge had the Compass.

They list the number of recruits that graduated with each Company. While the list online is not complete, it is sufficient to prove that your generalized claim that companies started out with about FIFTY recruits is just more bullcrap, plucked from your fertile imagination.

See the selection at Gjenvick-Gjønvick Archives:

http://www.gjenvick.com/Military/NavyArchives/USNTC-Yearbooks/SanDiego-TheAnchor/index.html

67-350 - 54 graduates
67-563 - 57 graduates
67-618 - 56 graduates
68-054 - 58 graduates
68-120 - 58 graduates
68-172 - 61 graduates
69-416 - 56 graduates
69-438 - 49 graduates
69-708 - 56 graduates

You still look like you claim to have graduated from ASMO company, specializing in doing the 96-count manual on the grinder.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-26   0:03:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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