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Title: 34% say country would be better off under Hillary Clinton: poll
Source: Raw Story
URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/09/ ... ff-under-hillary-clinton-poll/
Published: Sep 16, 2011
Author: Kase Wickman
Post Date: 2011-09-16 18:35:32 by nolu chan
Keywords: Obama, Hillary, Buyer
Views: 90067
Comments: 139

34% say country would be better off under Hillary Clinton: poll

By Kase Wickman
Friday, September 16th, 2011 -- 3:33 pm

More than a third of Americans said that if Hillary Clinton had been elected president in 2008, the country would be in better shape than it is right now under President Barack Obama's leadership.

The Bloomberg poll showed that Clinton, currently serving as secretary of state, garnered a 64 percent favorability rating, making her the most popular national politician in the country.

Thirty-four percent expressed wishful thinking about a Clinton presidency, up from the 25 percent who responded the same in July 2010.

In the 2008 election, Obama won the majority of delegates necessary to clinch the Democratic nomination after the primaries. During the drawn-out primary battle, Clinton actually won the popular vote, though Obama won 29 states to her 21.

Only 13 percent of respondents said that things would be worse under a Clinton White House.

It's not just Democrats expressing buyers' remorse either: 39 percent of Republicans said that Clinton would run the country better than Obama has.

“Some of her appeal is that she is not Barack Obama,” said J. Ann Selzer, president of Selzer & Co., the group that conducted poll.

No matter what the public's opinion of her, any wishful thinking will remain a fantasy.

“It’s below zero,” Clinton told CNN when asked about the chance of her challenging Obama in 2012. “One of the great things about being secretary of state is I am out of politics. I am not interested in being drawn back into it by anybody.”

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#1. To: nolu chan (#0)

I made this point in 2008.

war  posted on  2011-09-16   19:18:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: war, nolu chan (#1)

I thought it was funny when Hillary was losing originally. They both suck. McCain sucked too. Palin has potential.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-16   19:55:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: A K A Stone, war (#2)

Palin has potential.

Palin's 15 minutes came and went. Hillary's stock has risen as Secretary of State while Obama's stock has fallen. I made the point some months back that Hillary would make the stronger candidate this time around. The GOP, with its weak field, is probably happy they are not running against her.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-16   23:31:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: nolu chan (#3)

Palin's 15 minutes came and went. Hillary's stock has risen as Secretary of State while Obama's stock has fallen. I made the point some months back that Hillary would make the stronger candidate this time around. The GOP, with its weak field, is probably happy they are not running against her.

LOL!

What a load of BULLSHIT.

Governor Palin isn't even an announced candidate and who are the libTURDS in a FRENZY over?

They don't ever tell us who they FEAR most do they councilor?

Hitlery is TOAST.

Sec State is a DEAD end job.

Go ahead, name all of the SecStates who later went on to be elected president in all of American history.

"Weak" GOP field?

LOL! What a LOAD of DNC/MinistryofTruth/libTURD crap!

Any of those people in the GOP primary would BEAT the wee little failed man child messiah "king" right now.

AND any of them would be orders of magnitudes BETTER for America than obammy would be.

F it.

I'm pissing into the breeze.

"America, killed by a THEORY."

But don't worry man, YOUR children will make real good slaves.

And most importantly, when THEY needed you, you were PURE, and that's what really counts isn't it?

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-17   0:01:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Mad Dog (#5)

Governor Palin isn't even an announced candidate and who are the libTURDS in a FRENZY over?

They don't ever tell us who they FEAR most do they councilor?

Hitlery is TOAST.

Sec State is a DEAD end job.

Half-term Governor Palin is not running, will not run, would not win the nomination were she to run, and would likely ensure GOP failure if she were to be the candidate. She is manifestly, overwhelmingly incompetent. The Dems would love to run against Palin.

Hillary is not running and will not run. The only way she could run is if Obama were to drop out. Had Obama decided not to run and had she been running, Hillary would have been a formidable candidate. As I said, "they are not running against her."

The GOP frontrunners are Mitt Romney and Rick Perry. With the current economic/jobs climate, Obama should not even be competitive. That he is competitive with the GOP frontrunners speaks loudly to their inherent weakness.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-17   3:14:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: nolu chan (#6)

1.) a.)Half-term Governor Palin b.) is not running, will not run, would not win the nomination were she to run, and would likely ensure GOP failure if she were to be the candidate. She is manifestly, overwhelmingly incompetent. The Dems would love to run against Palin.

2.) a.) Hillary is not running and will not run. b.)The only way she could run is if Obama were to drop out. Had Obama decided not to run and had she been running, Hillary would have been a formidable candidate. As I said, "they are not running against her."

3.) a.) The GOP frontrunners are Mitt Romney and Rick Perry. With the current economic/jobs climate, Obama should not even be competitive. That he is competitive with the GOP frontrunners speaks loudly to their inherent weakness.

LOL!

1.)

a.) FACTUALLY you little wannabe shyster, in the interest of TRUTH and FACT; even half of a term still would equal "Governor" as an honorific. Want to BET on it sparky?

b.) YOU are a wannabe shyster sparky not a blind sear seated at "the navel of the world". Even your rodent cadres would balk at actually claiming to know the future! But well done! for sheer balls and effort and stupidity! You are a wannabe shyster afterall and that REQUIRES that you be a legend in YOUR own, ahem, "mind".

2.)

a.) LOL! what a MOROOOOOON! We have already covered this sparky, you cannot and do not know what is going to happen in the next second let along in the more long term future you arrogant wittle rascal!

b.) Show us ALL sparky where Hitlery is prevented by RULE or LAW from running against the messiah "king" obammy? As I said sparky, you don't KNOW shit, you just have an OPINION. Which, I guess, means the same thing to you wannabe shysters? Eh sparky?

3.)

a.) Frankly sparky that's just too stoopid to even address.

The PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION is over a YEAR away, NOTHING that is NOW will be THEN, when the REAL time comes.

DUH ....

Frankly sparky that really shows what a stoopid little PDS insane fuckwad you are.

That you "think" obammy is "competitive" with the GOP field underlines how stoopid you truly are.

I feel very EMBARRASSED for you sparky.

That must REALLY sting being so STOOOOOOPID when you want more than anything to be "smart"?

I feel your pain sparky.

Boo whoo ...

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-17   7:49:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Mad Dog (#8)

FACTUALLY, I gave Sarah Palin the honorific of Governor, and accurately and FACTUALLY characterized her as a half-term Governor, avoiding the term half-governor.

The only way Hillary could run is if Obama were to drop out. This is because Obama has raised about a billion dollars and the Democrat Party would not back her in a contested election. If the party do not decide to move Obama out first, Hillary would not obtain party support. As such, she might as well run for the nomination of the Green Party or some other third party. It is political reality.

While the presidential election is a year away, the primaries are not. And your track record is so good, especially with your inability to remember. Or are you still celebrating the election of President McCain?

#29. To: Happy2BMe-OnLP (#8)

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Zogby is a tool of the left, he was wrong with GORE he was wrong with KERRY.

LOL!

The OH-BAA-mi's coronation is premature, and will help defeat him.

LOL!

Mad Dog  posted on  2008-10-22   15:14:36 ET  Reply   Trace

You do not offer an opinion. You offer only pre-set party talking points.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-18   2:00:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: nolu chan (#9)

You do not offer an opinion.

You aren't really all that bright are you counselor?

THAT was EXACTLY MY POINT, about YOU, you supercilious azzhole.

YOU offer NOTHING but YOUR OWN OPINIONS, AND you act as if your OPINIONS are FACTS.

AND azzhole, you didn't address GOVERNOR Palin by her honorific in your post to me and haven't addressed GOVERNOR Palin by her honorific in general azzhole.

So while you may be aware of the correct ENGLISH useage, you are incapable for some reason, (wink, wink, nod, nod), of DOING it.

You want to exercise your PDS? Have at it counselor, just don't even try to look down your nose at anyone. Because you aren't anything but a jabbering posing poppin jay.

Better pay attention to that PLANK in your eyes before you start bitching about the motes in other's.

IF you don't like my "style" piss off.

YOU need a BRAIN to be able to understand what I say.

The "left" is OUR blood enemy you fool.

WE are at WAR with them for the FUTURE of this nation and people RIGHT NOW.

The wee little failed man child messiah "king" obammy is just the latest step towards TYRANNY you stupid supercilious cunt.

SHOW ME ANYWHERE, ANYTIME, WHERE I HAVE EVER SUPPORTED "PARTY" OVER NATION.

You CAN'T because I NEVER have, and NEVER would.

The ONLY thing "pre-set" about ME is my absolute devotion to the CONSTITUTION and PEOPLE of the United States of America.

I have actually taken an OATH to preserve and protect it, and them. Which I am still bound under duty AND preference to preform.

EVERYONE knows when I express MY OPINION(S) azzhole, because I state that it is MY OPINION.

I always provide CITATIONS and links to anything that I claim is a FACT.

You are a wannabe shyster I'm an ex-engineer.

You bury your mistakes shyster, we expose and FIX our problems by the establishing the objective FACTS azzwipe.

So Fuck you, you phony supercilious bitch.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-18   16:08:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Mad Dog (#10)

I always provide CITATIONS and links to anything that I claim is a FACT.
—Mad Dog #10, 2011-09-18, 16:08:50 ET

You aren't really all that bright are you counselor?... Have at it counselor...
—Mad Dog #10, 2011-09-18, 16:08:50 ET

You are a wannabe shyster... You bury your mistakes shyster...
—Mad Dog #10, 2011-09-18, 16:08:50 ET

You appear to have inadvertently forgotten to include the CITATIONS and LINKS that you ALWAYS provide to anything that you claim is a FACT.

Does this mean that your claims are admittedly not FACT?

Or are you unable or unwilling to provide the CITATIONS and LINKS that you ALWAYS provide in support of your nonsense?

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-20   0:30:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: nolu chan (#18) (Edited)

I always provide CITATIONS and links to anything that I claim is a FACT.

—Mad Dog #10, 2011-09-18, 16:08:50 ET You aren't really all that bright are you counselor?... Have at it counselor... —Mad Dog #10, 2011-09-18, 16:08:50 ET You are a wannabe shyster... You bury your mistakes shyster... —Mad Dog #10, 2011-09-18, 16:08:50 ET

You appear to have inadvertently forgotten to include the CITATIONS and LINKS that you ALWAYS provide to anything that you claim is a FACT.

Does this mean that your claims are admittedly not FACT?

Or are you unable or unwilling to provide the CITATIONS and LINKS that you ALWAYS provide in support of your nonsense?

LOL!

I REALLY got your goat didn't I shyster?

FOUR posts?

LOL! You powerless little shyster insect.

I didn't provide citations, because the above is my OPINION.

Unlike YOU shyster I don't confuse MY OPINIONS with FACTS.

And when I claim a FACT, I always provide a citation.

Anyhow shyster, your act is obvious to EVERYONE.

You are so insecure it's pitiful.

FOUR posts shyster?

LOL!

I OWN you bitch!

LOL!

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-20   14:58:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Mad Dog (#22)

YOU have NEVER served in any branch of the US armed forces anywhere at any time have YOU, you lubber bitch?

Mad Dog #20, 2011-09-20, 14:42:47 ET

Wrong guess.

It is really interesting to me "counselor" how when I piss you off, you immediately go and TRY to revive lies about my service. ... YOU have NEVER served in any branch of the US armed forces anywhere at any time have YOU, you lubber bitch?

Mad Dog #20, 2011-09-20, 14:42:47 ET

I shall take apart your imbecilic bullshit piece by piece.

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=169733&Disp=326#C326

#326. To: sneakypete (#325)

No, you are incorrect, the US NAVY had "Naval Enlistment Codes", (NECs).

During Vietnam the USMC was part of the NAV,(the Commandant of the Marine Corps reported directly to the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO), (I think that Slick Willie aka the Stainmeister, changed that).

The Corps had MOSs. But they knew, (and hated) that they were part of the USN.

But you doggies did it ALL yourselves right?

Right.

Out of forty, (40), "graduates" of NTC San Diego, company 217, 1968; 38 went to serve with the Corps as Corpsmen, two (2) went to the 7th fleet.

But you doggies did it ALL your ownselves right?

Right.

DesRon 15, look it up doggie.

Mad Dog posted on 2006-12-21 3:14:46 ET Reply Trace

Mad Dog, if you were a Navy veteran, you should know that a U.S. Navy NEC is NOT, as you state, a Naval Enlistment Code. NEC does not stand for that, has nothing whatever to do with reenlistment eligibility nor the characterization of one's enlistment.

Care to try again, you wannabe Navy veteran?

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-20   15:20:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: failed shyster nolu chan (#24)

I shall take apart your imbecilic bullshit piece by piece.

LOL!

When are you going to start you lubber bitch?

So does this mean that you accept my $10,000. dollar challenge/bet cunt?

Of course NOT.

YOU ARE A PHONY PIECE OF SHIT.

$10K says you are a insipid land lubber wog piece of shit and a COWARD.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-21   14:49:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Mad Dog (#26)

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=169733&Disp=326#C326

#326. To: sneakypete (#325)

No, you are incorrect, the US NAVY had "Naval Enlistment Codes", (NECs).

During Vietnam the USMC was part of the NAV,(the Commandant of the Marine Corps reported directly to the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO), (I think that Slick Willie aka the Stainmeister, changed that).

The Corps had MOSs. But they knew, (and hated) that they were part of the USN.

But you doggies did it ALL yourselves right?

Right.

Out of forty, (40), "graduates" of NTC San Diego, company 217, 1968; 38 went to serve with the Corps as Corpsmen, two (2) went to the 7th fleet.

But you doggies did it ALL your ownselves right?

Right.

DesRon 15, look it up doggie.

Mad Dog  posted on  2006-12-21   3:14:46 ET  Reply   Trace  

Naval Training Center (NTC) San Diego was the area command. It had subordinate commands such as the Naval Schools Command and the Recruit Training Command (RTC) San Diego. The RTC had its own commanding officer. Recruits actually graduated from the RTC which was at, and subordinate to, the NTC. I just wanted you to know what command you were attached to.

I am impressed that 38 of 40 graduates of boot camp went to serve with the Corps as Corpsmen. Now where did they really go to from boot camp? How many really had orders to serve with the Marine Corps?

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-21   23:11:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: lubber WOG punk nolu chan (#36)

Naval Training Center (NTC) San Diego was the area command. It had subordinate commands such as the Naval Schools Command and the Recruit Training Command (RTC) San Diego. The RTC had its own commanding officer. Recruits actually graduated from the RTC which was at, and subordinate to, the NTC. I just wanted you to know what command you were attached to.

I am impressed that 38 of 40 graduates of boot camp went to serve with the Corps as Corpsmen. Now where did they really go to from boot camp? How many really had orders to serve with the Marine Corps?

LOL!

Hey jerk off I know what NTC/RTC San Diego was, because I went to BOOT there in Mar of '68.

LOL!

Thanks for showing the entire world what a fraud PUNK you are WOG!

LOL!

I couldn't care less if you are "impressed" or not WOG.

LOL!

That's the simple TRUTH.

From boot, Fred Dent and I went to FT"A" school, all of the rest of 217 went to the USMC as Corpsmen. Which IF you had ever been in the US NAVY WOG, you'd already know that at that time all Corpsmen started their Corpsmen training at BALBOA.

You do know what BALBOA is, and where it is don't you WOG?

LOL!

That's OK WOG I'll wait while you look it up.

LOL!

You aren't all that bright are you WOG?

LOL!

I guess I'll have to go through all of this again?

LOL!

Trying to teach lubber WOG punks which end is the sharp end, and which end of the tube the round comes out.

LOL!

EVERYTHING that you "know" about the US NAVY you have READ.

You haven't spent even one instant underway. You haven't even ever done a FAST cruise have you lubber? Hell you don't even know what a FAST cruise is do you lubber WOG?

LOL!

You READ about the NAV and then try to claim that since after almost four decades I get the NAVPERS nomenclature incorrect that I never served!

LOL!

You're a foul little cunt WOG. Nothing you say or do will ever change that.

So, you coward, you foul little lubber WOG punk, put your money where your mouth is!

I have a C note right here bitch.

When I win, you will pay the cost of postage for me sending STONE a certified copy of both my RER-1 Honorable, and my DD-214.

So, put up or shut up cunt.

LOL!

Like THAT is ever going to happen.

LOL!

Lubber WOG punk is, as lubber WOG punk does, eh bitch?

LOL!

You ain't shit you little lubber WOG COWARD.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-22   15:10:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Mad Dog (#45)

http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24188&Disp=45#C45

#45. To: lubber WOG punk nolu chan (#36)

Naval Training Center (NTC) San Diego was the area command. It had subordinate commands such as the Naval Schools Command and the Recruit Training Command (RTC) San Diego. The RTC had its own commanding officer. Recruits actually graduated from the RTC which was at, and subordinate to, the NTC. I just wanted you to know what command you were attached to.

I am impressed that 38 of 40 graduates of boot camp went to serve with the Corps as Corpsmen. Now where did they really go to from boot camp? How many really had orders to serve with the Marine Corps?

From boot, Fred Dent and I went to FT"A" school, all of the rest of 217 went to the USMC as Corpsmen. Which IF you had ever been in the US NAVY WOG, you'd already know that at that time all Corpsmen started their Corpsmen training at BALBOA.

You do know what BALBOA is, and where it is don't you WOG?

Mad Dog posted on 2011-09-22 15:10:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

It is nice to see that you are truly full of shit.

Only an idiot or fraud would say this. Nobody ever got a set of orders to go from boot camp to Balboa as a Hospital Corpsman. Try again.

I knew about Balboa before you claim to have joined the Navy, junior. I also worked with trees for several years. It is clear that you do not know shit, and your story about 38 of 40 going off from boot camp to the Marines is total bullshit. When someone left boot camp to be a hospital corpsman, where did he really go? There was only one place to go and it was not in Balboa. It looks like you need a babysitter to take you through it step by step.

Keep working on your fairy tale.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-23   0:12:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: apparently senile really old WOG nolu chan (#52)

I knew about Balboa before you ... joined the Navy, junior.

Fixed it for ya WOG!

So what WOG?

So did I!

In fact WOG, a friend of mine who was also working at USFS HQ Sansom St. San Francisco when I was, knew JFK's PT-109 Unit Commanding officer, he was still active duty down on the Silver Strand so we took a trip down to San Diego so I could talk to him about going into the NAV a year or so before I enlisted. I don't remember the man's name, but I remember that he insisted that I start to learn to drink black coffee, because he said that the fleet ran on it.

Thanks WOG, I hadn't thought about that in decades.

I guess that you are good for something afterall?

Of course, "even a blind pig finds an acorn now and then" eh WOG?

(And if you are calling me "junior" I understand NOW more than ever WOG. I'm 62, so you must be, YEP! ... senile. I feel your pain WOG. Kain't we alllllll jes git along???? sob sob?)

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-23   1:12:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Mad Dog, nolu chan (#56)

I bet if you two met in person and not on a political debate board you would have had much kinder words towards each other.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-23   7:23:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#58. To: A K A Stone, nolu chan lubber wannabe WOG of the day (#57)

I bet if you two met in person and not on a political debate board you would have had much kinder words towards each other.

Maybe, maybe not.

I'll tell you one thing for sure, NOBODY calls me a liar to my face twice.

But on the other hand, I don't beat up senile OLD people.

I always prefer face to face.

ALWAYS.

(btw, seeing this coming; my use of "wog" is the AMERICAN useage.)

"American English

In the United States, "Wog" is simply short for Pollywog, the navy term for sailors who have yet to cross the equator in the line-crossing ceremony, and has no racial associations."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wog#Ameri can_English

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-23 14:10:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: wannabe lubber WOG nolu chan (#57)

.

I have a C note right here that says you are a COWARDLY no balls lying bitch wog.

I have certified copies of my RER-1 Honorable discharge and DD-214 right here wog.

Make the bet wog and I'll send them to Stone.

Then we'll see who is the LIAR around here wog.

What's the matter coward?

No balls?

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-23 14:54:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: A K A Stone (#57)

I bet if you two met in person and not on a political debate board you would have had much kinder words towards each other.

I'd bet any amount mad dog would bite his leg.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2011-09-23 15:59:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: A K A Stone, Mad Dog (#57)

I bet if you two met in person and not on a political debate board you would have had much kinder words towards each other.

Present his trash talk to any veteran you know for an opinion. You will likely be told that Mad Dog is either a fraud or a disgrace.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-24 03:59:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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