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Title: 34% say country would be better off under Hillary Clinton: poll
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Raw Story
URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/09/ ... ff-under-hillary-clinton-poll/
Published: Sep 16, 2011
Author: Kase Wickman
Post Date: 2011-09-16 18:35:32 by nolu chan
Keywords: Obama, Hillary, Buyer
Views: 89944
Comments: 139
34% say country would be better off under Hillary Clinton: poll By Kase Wickman More than a third of Americans said that if Hillary Clinton had been elected president in 2008, the country would be in better shape than it is right now under President Barack Obama's leadership. The Bloomberg poll showed that Clinton, currently serving as secretary of state, garnered a 64 percent favorability rating, making her the most popular national politician in the country. Thirty-four percent expressed wishful thinking about a Clinton presidency, up from the 25 percent who responded the same in July 2010. In the 2008 election, Obama won the majority of delegates necessary to clinch the Democratic nomination after the primaries. During the drawn-out primary battle, Clinton actually won the popular vote, though Obama won 29 states to her 21. Only 13 percent of respondents said that things would be worse under a Clinton White House. It's not just Democrats expressing buyers' remorse either: 39 percent of Republicans said that Clinton would run the country better than Obama has. “Some of her appeal is that she is not Barack Obama,” said J. Ann Selzer, president of Selzer & Co., the group that conducted poll. No matter what the public's opinion of her, any wishful thinking will remain a fantasy. “It’s below zero,” Clinton told CNN when asked about the chance of her challenging Obama in 2012. “One of the great things about being secretary of state is I am out of politics. I am not interested in being drawn back into it by anybody.”
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#1. To: nolu chan (#0)
I made this point in 2008.
I thought it was funny when Hillary was losing originally. They both suck. McCain sucked too. Palin has potential.
Palin's 15 minutes came and went. Hillary's stock has risen as Secretary of State while Obama's stock has fallen. I made the point some months back that Hillary would make the stronger candidate this time around. The GOP, with its weak field, is probably happy they are not running against her.
LOL! What a load of BULLSHIT. Governor Palin isn't even an announced candidate and who are the libTURDS in a FRENZY over? They don't ever tell us who they FEAR most do they councilor? Hitlery is TOAST. Sec State is a DEAD end job. Go ahead, name all of the SecStates who later went on to be elected president in all of American history. "Weak" GOP field? LOL! What a LOAD of DNC/MinistryofTruth/libTURD crap! Any of those people in the GOP primary would BEAT the wee little failed man child messiah "king" right now. AND any of them would be orders of magnitudes BETTER for America than obammy would be. F it. I'm pissing into the breeze. "America, killed by a THEORY." But don't worry man, YOUR children will make real good slaves. And most importantly, when THEY needed you, you were PURE, and that's what really counts isn't it?
They don't ever tell us who they FEAR most do they councilor? Hitlery is TOAST. Sec State is a DEAD end job. Half-term Governor Palin is not running, will not run, would not win the nomination were she to run, and would likely ensure GOP failure if she were to be the candidate. She is manifestly, overwhelmingly incompetent. The Dems would love to run against Palin. Hillary is not running and will not run. The only way she could run is if Obama were to drop out. Had Obama decided not to run and had she been running, Hillary would have been a formidable candidate. As I said, "they are not running against her." The GOP frontrunners are Mitt Romney and Rick Perry. With the current economic/jobs climate, Obama should not even be competitive. That he is competitive with the GOP frontrunners speaks loudly to their inherent weakness.
2.) a.) Hillary is not running and will not run. b.)The only way she could run is if Obama were to drop out. Had Obama decided not to run and had she been running, Hillary would have been a formidable candidate. As I said, "they are not running against her." 3.) a.) The GOP frontrunners are Mitt Romney and Rick Perry. With the current economic/jobs climate, Obama should not even be competitive. That he is competitive with the GOP frontrunners speaks loudly to their inherent weakness. LOL! 1.) a.) FACTUALLY you little wannabe shyster, in the interest of TRUTH and FACT; even half of a term still would equal "Governor" as an honorific. Want to BET on it sparky? b.) YOU are a wannabe shyster sparky not a blind sear seated at "the navel of the world". Even your rodent cadres would balk at actually claiming to know the future! But well done! for sheer balls and effort and stupidity! You are a wannabe shyster afterall and that REQUIRES that you be a legend in YOUR own, ahem, "mind". 2.) a.) LOL! what a MOROOOOOON! We have already covered this sparky, you cannot and do not know what is going to happen in the next second let along in the more long term future you arrogant wittle rascal! b.) Show us ALL sparky where Hitlery is prevented by RULE or LAW from running against the messiah "king" obammy? As I said sparky, you don't KNOW shit, you just have an OPINION. Which, I guess, means the same thing to you wannabe shysters? Eh sparky? 3.) a.) Frankly sparky that's just too stoopid to even address. The PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION is over a YEAR away, NOTHING that is NOW will be THEN, when the REAL time comes. DUH .... Frankly sparky that really shows what a stoopid little PDS insane fuckwad you are. That you "think" obammy is "competitive" with the GOP field underlines how stoopid you truly are. I feel very EMBARRASSED for you sparky. That must REALLY sting being so STOOOOOOPID when you want more than anything to be "smart"? I feel your pain sparky. Boo whoo ...
FACTUALLY, I gave Sarah Palin the honorific of Governor, and accurately and FACTUALLY characterized her as a half-term Governor, avoiding the term half-governor. The only way Hillary could run is if Obama were to drop out. This is because Obama has raised about a billion dollars and the Democrat Party would not back her in a contested election. If the party do not decide to move Obama out first, Hillary would not obtain party support. As such, she might as well run for the nomination of the Green Party or some other third party. It is political reality. While the presidential election is a year away, the primaries are not. And your track record is so good, especially with your inability to remember. Or are you still celebrating the election of President McCain? ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Zogby is a tool of the left, he was wrong with GORE he was wrong with KERRY. LOL! The OH-BAA-mi's coronation is premature, and will help defeat him. LOL! You do not offer an opinion. You offer only pre-set party talking points.
You aren't really all that bright are you counselor? THAT was EXACTLY MY POINT, about YOU, you supercilious azzhole. YOU offer NOTHING but YOUR OWN OPINIONS, AND you act as if your OPINIONS are FACTS. AND azzhole, you didn't address GOVERNOR Palin by her honorific in your post to me and haven't addressed GOVERNOR Palin by her honorific in general azzhole. So while you may be aware of the correct ENGLISH useage, you are incapable for some reason, (wink, wink, nod, nod), of DOING it. You want to exercise your PDS? Have at it counselor, just don't even try to look down your nose at anyone. Because you aren't anything but a jabbering posing poppin jay. Better pay attention to that PLANK in your eyes before you start bitching about the motes in other's. IF you don't like my "style" piss off. YOU need a BRAIN to be able to understand what I say. The "left" is OUR blood enemy you fool. WE are at WAR with them for the FUTURE of this nation and people RIGHT NOW. The wee little failed man child messiah "king" obammy is just the latest step towards TYRANNY you stupid supercilious cunt. SHOW ME ANYWHERE, ANYTIME, WHERE I HAVE EVER SUPPORTED "PARTY" OVER NATION. You CAN'T because I NEVER have, and NEVER would. The ONLY thing "pre-set" about ME is my absolute devotion to the CONSTITUTION and PEOPLE of the United States of America. I have actually taken an OATH to preserve and protect it, and them. Which I am still bound under duty AND preference to preform. EVERYONE knows when I express MY OPINION(S) azzhole, because I state that it is MY OPINION. I always provide CITATIONS and links to anything that I claim is a FACT. You are a wannabe shyster I'm an ex-engineer. You bury your mistakes shyster, we expose and FIX our problems by the establishing the objective FACTS azzwipe. So Fuck you, you phony supercilious bitch.
You appear to have inadvertently forgotten to include the CITATIONS and LINKS that you ALWAYS provide to anything that you claim is a FACT. Does this mean that your claims are admittedly not FACT? Or are you unable or unwilling to provide the CITATIONS and LINKS that you ALWAYS provide in support of your nonsense?
I always provide CITATIONS and links to anything that I claim is a FACT. —Mad Dog #10, 2011-09-18, 16:08:50 ET You aren't really all that bright are you counselor?... Have at it counselor... —Mad Dog #10, 2011-09-18, 16:08:50 ET You are a wannabe shyster... You bury your mistakes shyster... —Mad Dog #10, 2011-09-18, 16:08:50 ET You appear to have inadvertently forgotten to include the CITATIONS and LINKS that you ALWAYS provide to anything that you claim is a FACT. Does this mean that your claims are admittedly not FACT? Or are you unable or unwilling to provide the CITATIONS and LINKS that you ALWAYS provide in support of your nonsense? LOL! I REALLY got your goat didn't I shyster? FOUR posts? LOL! You powerless little shyster insect. I didn't provide citations, because the above is my OPINION. Unlike YOU shyster I don't confuse MY OPINIONS with FACTS. And when I claim a FACT, I always provide a citation. Anyhow shyster, your act is obvious to EVERYONE. You are so insecure it's pitiful. FOUR posts shyster? LOL! I OWN you bitch! LOL!
Mad Dog #20, 2011-09-20, 14:42:47 ET Wrong guess. Mad Dog #20, 2011-09-20, 14:42:47 ET I shall take apart your imbecilic bullshit piece by piece. http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=169733&Disp=326#C326 No, you are incorrect, the US NAVY had "Naval Enlistment Codes", (NECs). During Vietnam the USMC was part of the NAV,(the Commandant of the Marine Corps reported directly to the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO), (I think that Slick Willie aka the Stainmeister, changed that). The Corps had MOSs. But they knew, (and hated) that they were part of the USN. But you doggies did it ALL yourselves right? Right. Out of forty, (40), "graduates" of NTC San Diego, company 217, 1968; 38 went to serve with the Corps as Corpsmen, two (2) went to the 7th fleet. But you doggies did it ALL your ownselves right? Right. DesRon 15, look it up doggie. Mad Dog posted on 2006-12-21 3:14:46 ET Reply Trace Mad Dog, if you were a Navy veteran, you should know that a U.S. Navy NEC is NOT, as you state, a Naval Enlistment Code. NEC does not stand for that, has nothing whatever to do with reenlistment eligibility nor the characterization of one's enlistment. Care to try again, you wannabe Navy veteran?
LOL! When are you going to start you lubber bitch? So does this mean that you accept my $10,000. dollar challenge/bet cunt? Of course NOT. YOU ARE A PHONY PIECE OF SHIT. $10K says you are a insipid land lubber wog piece of shit and a COWARD.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=169733&Disp=326#C326 No, you are incorrect, the US NAVY had "Naval Enlistment Codes", (NECs). During Vietnam the USMC was part of the NAV,(the Commandant of the Marine Corps reported directly to the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO), (I think that Slick Willie aka the Stainmeister, changed that). The Corps had MOSs. But they knew, (and hated) that they were part of the USN. But you doggies did it ALL yourselves right? Right. Out of forty, (40), "graduates" of NTC San Diego, company 217, 1968; 38 went to serve with the Corps as Corpsmen, two (2) went to the 7th fleet. But you doggies did it ALL your ownselves right? Right. DesRon 15, look it up doggie. Naval Training Center (NTC) San Diego was the area command. It had subordinate commands such as the Naval Schools Command and the Recruit Training Command (RTC) San Diego. The RTC had its own commanding officer. Recruits actually graduated from the RTC which was at, and subordinate to, the NTC. I just wanted you to know what command you were attached to. I am impressed that 38 of 40 graduates of boot camp went to serve with the Corps as Corpsmen. Now where did they really go to from boot camp? How many really had orders to serve with the Marine Corps?
I am impressed that 38 of 40 graduates of boot camp went to serve with the Corps as Corpsmen. Now where did they really go to from boot camp? How many really had orders to serve with the Marine Corps? LOL! Hey jerk off I know what NTC/RTC San Diego was, because I went to BOOT there in Mar of '68. LOL! Thanks for showing the entire world what a fraud PUNK you are WOG! LOL! I couldn't care less if you are "impressed" or not WOG. LOL! That's the simple TRUTH. From boot, Fred Dent and I went to FT"A" school, all of the rest of 217 went to the USMC as Corpsmen. Which IF you had ever been in the US NAVY WOG, you'd already know that at that time all Corpsmen started their Corpsmen training at BALBOA. You do know what BALBOA is, and where it is don't you WOG? LOL! That's OK WOG I'll wait while you look it up. LOL! You aren't all that bright are you WOG? LOL! I guess I'll have to go through all of this again? LOL! Trying to teach lubber WOG punks which end is the sharp end, and which end of the tube the round comes out. LOL! EVERYTHING that you "know" about the US NAVY you have READ. You haven't spent even one instant underway. You haven't even ever done a FAST cruise have you lubber? Hell you don't even know what a FAST cruise is do you lubber WOG? LOL! You READ about the NAV and then try to claim that since after almost four decades I get the NAVPERS nomenclature incorrect that I never served! LOL! You're a foul little cunt WOG. Nothing you say or do will ever change that. So, you coward, you foul little lubber WOG punk, put your money where your mouth is! I have a C note right here bitch. When I win, you will pay the cost of postage for me sending STONE a certified copy of both my RER-1 Honorable, and my DD-214. So, put up or shut up cunt. LOL! Like THAT is ever going to happen. LOL! Lubber WOG punk is, as lubber WOG punk does, eh bitch? LOL! You ain't shit you little lubber WOG COWARD.
#45. To: lubber WOG punk nolu chan (#36) I am impressed that 38 of 40 graduates of boot camp went to serve with the Corps as Corpsmen. Now where did they really go to from boot camp? How many really had orders to serve with the Marine Corps? From boot, Fred Dent and I went to FT"A" school, all of the rest of 217 went to the USMC as Corpsmen. Which IF you had ever been in the US NAVY WOG, you'd already know that at that time all Corpsmen started their Corpsmen training at BALBOA. You do know what BALBOA is, and where it is don't you WOG? Mad Dog posted on 2011-09-22 15:10:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply It is nice to see that you are truly full of shit. Only an idiot or fraud would say this. Nobody ever got a set of orders to go from boot camp to Balboa as a Hospital Corpsman. Try again. I knew about Balboa before you claim to have joined the Navy, junior. I also worked with trees for several years. It is clear that you do not know shit, and your story about 38 of 40 going off from boot camp to the Marines is total bullshit. When someone left boot camp to be a hospital corpsman, where did he really go? There was only one place to go and it was not in Balboa. It looks like you need a babysitter to take you through it step by step. Keep working on your fairy tale.
From boot, Fred Dent and I went to FT"A" school, all of the rest of 217 went to the USMC as Corpsmen. Which IF you had ever been in the US NAVY WOG, you'd already know that at that time all Corpsmen started their Corpsmen training at BALBOA. You do know what BALBOA is, and where it is don't you WOG? Mad Dog posted on 2011-09-22 15:10:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply It is nice to see that you are truly full of shit. Only an idiot or fraud would say this. Nobody ever got a set of orders to go from boot camp to Balboa as a Hospital Corpsman. Try again. I knew about Balboa before you claim to have joined the Navy, junior. I also worked with trees for several years. It is clear that you do not know shit, and your story about 38 of 40 going off from boot camp to the Marines is total bullshit. When someone left boot camp to be a hospital corpsman, where did he really go? There was only one place to go and it was not in Balboa. It looks like you need a babysitter to take you through it step by step. Keep working on your fairy tale. LOL! Oh gee willikers WOG, ya' really "got" me didn't Ya? /NOT LOL! You IGNORANT little cunt! LOL! YOU even quoted, AND BOLDFACED the part where I said that I was talking about CORPSMAN training you ignorant, stoopid, insipid little goober! I was talking about where they did their USN CORPSMAN training, not their AIT or whatever and all the rest of all that Marine shit. LOL! I don't know anything about Marine stuff you WOG FOOL. LOL! Why the fuck would I moron? LOL! IDIOT! I was IN THE BLUEWATER NAVY, LOL! the only Marines in the BLUEWATER NAVY are the fleet marines, who the fleet calls "Doorstops", and they serve ONLY onboard capital WAR ships, NOT DESTROYERS! LOL! Do you know why we in the fleet called the fleet marines "doorstops" WOG? LOL! Of course YOU don't! LOL! Keep READING WOG! Maybe you can find it there? LOL!
From boot, Fred Dent and I went to FT"A" school, all of the rest of 217 went to the USMC as Corpsmen. Which IF you had ever been in the US NAVY WOG, you'd already know that at that time all Corpsmen started their Corpsmen training at BALBOA. You IGNORANT little cunt! LOL! YOU even quoted, AND BOLDFACED the part where I said that I was talking about CORPSMAN training you ignorant, stoopid, insipid little goober! I was talking about where they did their USN CORPSMAN training, not their AIT or whatever and all the rest of all that Marine shit. LOL! I don't know anything about Marine stuff you WOG FOOL. LOL! Why the fuck would I moron? LOL! From 1913 to 2011 there was only one HM "A" school and it has never been in Balboa nimrod. Until your boot camp graduates get to HM "A" school and graduate from there, they cannot be Hospital Corpsmen. After that they must take a tour to get some experience on the job. After that they must go train with the Marines. They must acquire the requisite NEC. The Marines in the field actually need real corpsmen who are qualified to treat somebody. Every jackass but Mad Dog knows that anyone leaving boot camp to be a corpman must have orders to Navy Hospital Corps School. After graduating from the Corpsman school, only then may they be assigned to any sort of treatment facility. Before they go out in the field with the marines, they have another course to take where they issue their field uniforms. Your guys would have been running around naked. I guess you didn't learn about corpsmen calling themselves trees while you were serving your time in the IDF. You haven't got a friggin clue, you hopeless fraud. You wouldn't know about the NEC because you think the non-existent Reenlistment Code RER-1 was an NEC. It has to be tough when you do not have a clue what you are talking about. Your guys picked up 8404 straight out of boot camp. Suuuuure they did! You can fuss and cuss all you want. You are firmly on the hook and I am just reeling your dumb ass in. You're mine, junior. There has never been a Hospital Corpsman "A" School on the West coast. According to your fantasy history, your guys went to the medical facility in Balboa.
Until your boot camp graduates get to HM "A"
school and graduate from there, they cannot be Hospital Corpsmen. After that
they must take a tour to get some experience on the job. After that they must go
train with the Marines. They must acquire the requisite NEC. The Marines in the
field actually need real corpsmen who are qualified to treat somebody. Every
jackass but Mad Dog knows that anyone leaving boot camp to be a corpman must
have orders to Navy Hospital Corps School. After graduating from the Corpsman
school, only then may they be assigned to any sort of treatment facility. Before
they go out in the field with the marines, they have another course to take
where they issue their field uniforms. Your guys would have been running around
naked. I guess you didn't learn about corpsmen calling themselves trees
while you were serving your time in the IDF. You haven't got a friggin clue, you
hopeless fraud. You wouldn't know about the NEC because you think the
non-existent Reenlistment Code RER-1 was an NEC. It has to be tough when you do
not have a clue what you are talking about. Your guys picked up 8404 straight
out of boot camp. Suuuuure they did! Hospital Corpsman NECs ou can
fuss and cuss all you want. You are firmly on the hook and I am just reeling
your dumb ass in. You're mine, junior. There has never been a Hospital Corpsman
"A" School on the West coast. According to your fantasy history, your guys went
to the medical facility in Balboa. LOL! You insipid
little COWARDLY < Deleted By X >. I don't know s**t about being or how you
become a
CORPSMAN. WHY WOULD I FOOL? CORPSMEN = BALBOA when I was in the NAV you
little gibbering bitch. I don't know or CARE where they went you idiot.
LOL! Why don't you ask me about MY rate, (FT), you foul < Deleted By X >?
Because I
would be expected to know about it? Since you have never served in the US
NAVY, you likely have no idea how LARGE it is and WAS. Bottom line you
COWARDLY foul little lying I have $5.00 right here
that says
that you are a LYING COWARDLY Piece Of s**t. You can afford $5.00
can't you < Deleted By X >? You could cut $5.00 out of your welfare check
couldn't
you gramps? IF you don't have the BALLS to bet a mere $5.00, and let
STONE make a determination from certified copies of my RER-1 HONORABLE and
DD-214, then you are OBVIOUSLY just a foul lying cunt! Who KNOWS that you are
LYING about a man's service and you just want to keep repeating the LIE.
When did you turn into a HYPOCRITE COWARD gramps? Or have YOU ALWAYS been one?
$5.00 right < Deleted by X >
CORPSMEN = BALBOA when I was in the NAV you little gibbering bitch. I don't know or CARE where they went you idiot. LOL! Why don't you ask me about MY rate, (FT), you foul < Deleted By X >? Because I would be expected to know about it? I haven't asked FT questions because I have been demonstrating that YOUR claims about Hospital Corpsmen are impossible. They are YOUR claims, YOU made them, and I am rubbing your bullcrap in your face. #326. To: sneakypete (#325) No, you are incorrect, the US NAVY had "Naval Enlistment Codes", (NECs). During Vietnam the USMC was part of the NAV,(the Commandant of the Marine Corps reported directly to the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO), (I think that Slick Willie aka the Stainmeister, changed that). The Corps had MOSs. But they knew, (and hated) that they were part of the USN. But you doggies did it ALL yourselves right? Right. Out of forty, (40), "graduates" of NTC San Diego, company 217, 1968; 38 went to serve with the Corps as Corpsmen, two (2) went to the 7th fleet. But you doggies did it ALL your ownselves right? Right. DesRon 15, look it up doggie. Mad Dog posted on 2006-12-21 3:14:46 ET Reply Trace Did any veterans out there enjoy a boot camp with only 40 graduates in their company? What was that called? ASMO company? DesRon 15? Does that mean attached to the staff of the Commander, Destroyer Squadron Fifteen? From boot, Fred Dent and I went to FT"A" school, all of the rest of 217 went to the USMC as Corpsmen. Which IF you had ever been in the US NAVY WOG, you'd already know that at that time all Corpsmen started their Corpsmen training at BALBOA. You IGNORANT little cunt! LOL! YOU even quoted, AND BOLDFACED the part where I said that I was talking about CORPSMAN training you ignorant, stoopid, insipid little goober! I was talking about where they did their USN CORPSMAN training, not their AIT or whatever and all the rest of all that Marine shit. LOL! I don't know anything about Marine stuff you WOG FOOL. LOL! Why the fuck would I moron? LOL! No, you were explicitly talking about 38 of the 40 going to the Marine Corps. During World War II, due to large numbers of casualties coming from the Pacific Theater of Operations, the hospital expanded to include most of the buildings in present day Balboa Park. For instance, the Navy Nurses were housed at the House of Hospitality and the California Building, Fine Arts Gallery and the Natural History Museum were converted into hospital wards. The Lily Pond was used for swim training, the Japanese Tea Garden as a Red Cross Servicemen's Center, the House of Pacific Relations as officers' quarters and the Palisades as a Hospital Corps School named Camp Kidd. The Balboa Complex, to include the main Naval Hospital, treated approximately 172,000 patients with a maximum occupancy of 12,000 in December, 1944. In 1946 the Balboa Park grounds and buildings were returned to the city.[3] The greatest Naval Hospital expansion in Balboa Park began after the December 7, 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor. The hospital went from 56 buildings with a bed capacity of 1,424 in 1941 to 241 buildings covering 247 acres with a bed capacity of 10,499 in 1945. The complex included 33 acres in the Prado and Palisades sections of Balboa Park and a convalescent branch at Rancho Santa Fe, located 30 miles from the main plant. The Navy used the California Building, Fine Arts Gallery and Natural History Museum as hospital wards, the House of Hospitality as a nurses' dormitory, the Japanese tea garden as a Red Cross Servicemen's Center, the lily pond as a swimming pool, and the House of Pacific Relations as officers' quarters. A Hospital Corps School, known as Camp Kidd, occupied the Palisades. The Naval Hospital interdenominational chapel was dedicated in January 1945 on land the Navy had leased from the city in 1937 for recreation. At that time, Captain Fred E. Porter, commandant of the hospital, had promised no buildings would be placed there. During World War II, the hospital treated approximately 172,000 patients. On December 27, 1944, patient counts rose to more than 12,000. In June 1946 the hospital corps vacated its quarters at Camp Kidd and moved back to the main hospital grounds. In 1945, during its peak wartime enrollment, it had 3,400 students. The Navy did not finally vacate the buildings along El Prado until 1948. LOCATION: The Camp Kidd Naval Training Station was located on the Palisades area of the City of San Diego's Balboa Park, adjacent to the downtown area of San Diego, California. SITE HISTORY: On 10 December 1941, the Navy acquired 33 acres of the Palisades area of the City of San Diego's Balboa Park. The Camp Kidd Naval Training Station was named in honor of Admiral Issac C. Kidd, who died at Pearl Harbor 7 December 1941. The Navy used Camp Kidd Naval Training Station as a Naval Hospital Corps School (Camp Kidd was designated as Unit 3 of the existing San Diego Naval Hospital and School). The training station occupied 22 existing Balboa Park Exposition Buildings and 33 army-style barracks used for training purposes. Over the 5 years (1941-1945) that the United States participated in World War II, Camp Kidd provided medical, dental, and hygienic training and support to Navy personnel. In addition, housing facilities (five barracks), a dispensary, and recreational facilities were provided. Facilities maintenance and ship service support activities were also conducted at Camp Kidd. After 1945, the Camp Kidd Naval Training Station area was converted to a post-war Naval recreational services center, and was subsequently transferred back to the City of San Diego in the latter half of 1946. The area is currently managed by the City of San Diego's Parks and Recreation Department as part of the present day Balboa Park. Twenty-four (24) buildings once used by the Navy currently exist in the Palisades area of the park. They have all been used beneficially by the City of San Diego. Source: US Army Corps of Engineers The process actually works this way: Joseph Kidd Joseph Kidd, a 30 year old father, joined the U.S. Navy in 2003 and completed Hospital Corpsman School. Upon graduation, Kidd received his orders to Naval Hospital Okinawa, in Japan. Once his rotation was complete, he moved to Camp Lejeune, NC. While at Camp Lejeune, Kidd was attached to a Marine Corps command, and deployed to Iraq in 2007. After he returned from Iraq, his daughter was born in January of 2009, and he was deployed again in May of 2009 as part of the 22D Marine Expeditionary Unit ... In August, Kidd was one of five veterans to eat lunch with President Obama in Cannon Falls, MN during the rural bus tour. Kidd asked the President to help with credentialing programs that would allow a service member to take his or her skills from the military directly into the private sector. The recruit does not go from boot camp to the Marines. He must attend "A" School. He must go through Field Medical Service Technician (FMST) training at a Marine Corps facility to earn his HM-8404. This is where he is issued his Marine Corps type uniform gear. Mad Dog's super-sailors skip this assignment and go from boot camp to SURVIVOR: Marine Corps where they do their Richard Hatch impersonation and go naked. With no particular medical training or experience, they just run about sticking their hands into marines' innards and patching them up. Apparently, some train at a ghost facility in Balboa Park. Of his own "knowledge," Mad Dog tells the world that once upon a time, 38 of 40 recruits from company 68-217 went directly to serve with the Marine Corps. As a sea story, this should begin with "now this ain't no shit." Field Medical Service Technician (FMST) Welcome to Field Medical Training Battalion! The Field Medical Service Technician (FMST) course is designed for E1 to E5 Hospital Corpsmen though more senior personnel are occasionally enrolled. For over 100 years, young men and women have been answering the call to save lives on the battlefield. For the past 65 years, Corpsmen have been receiving training here at Field Medical Training Battalion. The information below will help you prepare for your training. [...] COURSE DESCRIPTION: During this 8 week course, you will have a mix of classroom and field training. Emphasis is placed on learning field medicine by using the principles of Tactical Combat Casualty Care (TCCC). This includes familiarization with USMC organization and procedures, competency in Marine Corps Martial Arts Program (MCMAP), logistics, and administrative support in a field environment. Additionally, training will include general military subjects, individual and small unit tactics, military drills, physical training/conditioning, and weapons familiarization with the opportunity to qualify on the rifle. Completion of FMST results in the student receiving Navy Enlisted Classification HM-8404. See “Student Material” to download a copy of the Student Manual that you will use during your training (you will receive a copy of this text upon arrival). [...] REPORTING INFORMATION: DO NOT REPORT TO THE MAIN BASE AT CAMP LEJEUNE OR THE NAVAL HOSPITAL!!!!! • Personnel report directly to FMTB Camp Johnson, Building M-321. Phone (910) 450-0712/0750. • Personnel shall report in the appropriate seasonal dress uniform, i.e. khakis, Dress Blues or Service Dress Whites. The winter uniform period is from approximately mid-October through mid-March. You may telephone the school to confirm the type of uniform required. • Personnel shall report with their original orders, service, health, dental, and pay records or documents • Personnel reporting on TAD orders should report with their original TAD orders. [...] ISSUED GEAR Bring a complete sea bag. For the first few days of class, you will be wearing dungarees. For graduation, you will be wearing either your Dress Whites or Dress Blues. All uniform items listed below will be issued to you shortly after arrival: • 1 pair of Infantry Combat boots • 1 pair of hot weather boots • 2 Utility Covers (1 Woodland and 1 Desert) • 2 Booney Covers (1 Woodland and 1 Desert) • 4 Combat Utility Blouses (2 Woodland and 2 Desert) • 4 Combat Utility Trousers (2 Woodland and 2 Desert) • 6 pairs of cushion sole socks • 2 HM collar devices • 4 sets name tapes (2 Woodland and 2 Desert) • 6 green undershirts (3 cotton and 3 synthetic) • 1 Sweater • 1 pair of green shorts • 1 Marine Corps sweat suit (top and bottom) • 1 web belt • 1 belt buckle • 1 glowbelt
fwlW;"I haven't asked FT questions because I have been demonstrating that YOUR claims about Hospital Corpsmen are impossible. They are YOUR claims, YOU made them, and I am rubbing your bullcrap in your face." ************************************************************************************************ LOL! WOG, I've made no "claims" about how to become a CORPSMAN you gibbering piece of shit WOG. I got where they do their "A' school wrong, so fucking what you miserable piece of shit? I have never claimed to BE a CORPSMAN have I WOG? I was a FT(M). The truth is that 38 of the 40 guys in my bootcamp company went to be CORPSMEN. That's all that I know about it, I never saw any of them again, and I never have claimed to know a fucking thing about how to be a Marine or CORPSMAN you miserable gibbering wannabe lubber WOG. Just like YOU don't know shit about how to be a FT you wannabe lubber WOG. ************************************************************************************************ fwlW; "Did any veterans out there enjoy a boot camp with only 40 graduates in their company? What was that called? ASMO company? DesRon 15? Does that mean attached to the staff of the Commander, Destroyer Squadron Fifteen?" *********************************************************************************************** MD; IF you had ever really gone to bootcamp at NTCSD, then you'd KNOW that companies started out with about FIFTY recruits, THEN they end up GRADUATING with whatever number they end up with after people drop out. Do you even know what "the GRINDER" is?, you foul LYING wannabe lubber WOG bitch? MD; DESRON 15 is Destroyer SQUADRON 15, currently forward deployed out of Yokosuka Japan since 1972. My ship, USS Parsons DDG-33 was one of the original, (post WW2), ships of THIS SQUADRON. WE, such as in I, and the rest of MY ship and MY crew, took her over to YOKOSUKA in '72 from 32nd St. Diego. In fact you lying wannabe lubber WOG we were allowed to take our DOGS over with us on board Parsons. So I've had DOGS who were more of a seafarer than YOU are WOG. LOL! So, in review ... Where did I ever say that I knew a GOD DAMNED thing about being a F ing Marine or CORPSMAN you lousy piece of wannabe lubber WOG shit? You are a foul little wannabe lubber WOG COWARD and I'd love to meet you face to face, any time you little bitch. Sigh ... never happen ...
WOG, I've made no "claims" about how to become a CORPSMAN you gibbering piece of shit WOG. I got where they do their "A' school wrong, so fucking what you miserable piece of shit? I have never claimed to BE a CORPSMAN have I WOG? I was a FT(M). The truth is that 38 of the 40 guys in my bootcamp company went to be CORPSMEN. That's all that I know about it, I never saw any of them again, and I never have claimed to know a fucking thing about how to be a Marine or CORPSMAN you miserable gibbering wannabe lubber WOG. [...] MD; IF you had ever really gone to bootcamp at NTCSD, then you'd KNOW that companies started out with about FIFTY recruits, THEN they end up GRADUATING with whatever number they end up with after people drop out. Do you even know what "the GRINDER" is?, you foul LYING wannabe lubber WOG bitch? [...] So, in review ... Where did I ever say that I knew a GOD DAMNED thing about being a F ing Marine or CORPSMAN you lousy piece of wannabe lubber WOG shit? [...] Mad Dog posted on 2011-09-25 15:30:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply CORPSMEN = BALBOA when I was in the NAV you little gibbering bitch. I don't know or CARE where they went you idiot. LOL! Why don't you ask me about MY rate, (FT), you foul < Deleted By X >? Because I would be expected to know about it? I haven't asked FT questions because I have been demonstrating that YOUR claims about Hospital Corpsmen are impossible. They are YOUR claims, YOU made them, and I am rubbing your bullcrap in your face. #326. To: sneakypete (#325) No, you are incorrect, the US NAVY had "Naval Enlistment Codes", (NECs). During Vietnam the USMC was part of the NAV,(the Commandant of the Marine Corps reported directly to the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO), (I think that Slick Willie aka the Stainmeister, changed that). The Corps had MOSs. But they knew, (and hated) that they were part of the USN. But you doggies did it ALL yourselves right? Right. Out of forty, (40), "graduates" of NTC San Diego, company 217, 1968; 38 went to serve with the Corps as Corpsmen, two (2) went to the 7th fleet. But you doggies did it ALL your ownselves right? Right. DesRon 15, look it up doggie. Mad Dog posted on 2006-12-21 3:14:46 ET Reply Trace Did any veterans out there enjoy a boot camp with only 40 graduates in their company? What was that called? ASMO company? From boot, Fred Dent and I went to FT"A" school, all of the rest of 217 went to the USMC as Corpsmen. Which IF you had ever been in the US NAVY WOG, you'd already know that at that time all Corpsmen started their Corpsmen training at BALBOA. You IGNORANT little cunt! LOL! YOU even quoted, AND BOLDFACED the part where I said that I was talking about CORPSMAN training you ignorant, stoopid, insipid little goober! I was talking about where they did their USN CORPSMAN training, not their AIT or whatever and all the rest of all that Marine shit. LOL! I don't know anything about Marine stuff you WOG FOOL. LOL! Why the fuck would I moron? LOL! No, you were explicitly talking about 38 of the 40 going to the Marine Corps. Your repeated attempts to rewrite your lie only adds to the length of your lie. No, you did not just get the "A" School wrong. You claimed a company size of 40, and claimed 38 of the 40 went to serve with the Marine Corps. Your fairy tale is imaginary. Your corpsmen went to your claimed ghost facility, and never went to gain any experience, nor did they go to a Marine Corps facility to earn their NEC or get their required uniforms. Quite simply, you did not have a clue what you were talking about and got caught telling another imaginary tale from your alleged military service.
. LOL! IF you are claiming service in the NAV WOG ... Where do YOU claim to have done boot WOG? Where did you do YOUR "A"/"C"/other school WOG? What was YOUR first ship WOG? What was YOUR RATE WOG? What ships did YOU serve on and where and when WOG? What was YOUR Department WOG? What was YOUR Division WOG? Where did YOU cross the line WOG, on board what ship WOG? Where's YOUR Honorable Discharge WOG? Where's YOUR DD-214 WOG? Tell us all about it WOG. YOU COWARD. YOU LIAR. YOU CREEP. YOU WANNABE LUBBER WOG. Y O U A R E N O T H I N G B U T A W A N N A B E L U B B E R W O G.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=169733&Disp=461#C461 I am more than a little tired of this crap. I have NEVER in four decades questioned any person's service. I responded in kind, (not that that excuses my behavior in that regard). I was honored to serve in the US NAVY from 1968 to 1974. I did one WesPac ob USS Horne DLG-30 '69-'70. Then I swapped billets to join USS Parsons DDG-33 when she and the others went over to Yokosuka as DesRon 15. I f**king VOLUNTEERED. I was a FTM nec1139 AN/SPS-48 (uv), part of GMFS-76, a Terrier system on board USS Horne DLG-30, a Tartar system ob USS Parsons DDG-33. We set the time at sea, in zone, record for type since WW2. We did 278 days straight then two days in Da Nang harbor to re-gun, which we could not do underway, then we did 2 hundred and something else more days underway in zone. Add it up, we spent more that a year and a third underway killing commies for God. Then we got serious. I AM A US NAVY VIETNAM vet, I hold three Combat actions two meritorious unit commendations and the rest of the gee dunks which mean s**t to me. My weapons systems splashed three (3) migs, 2 ob Parsons and one ob Horne. I don't owe you or any f**king body an explaination or excuse regarding my VIETNAM service. [...] Mad Dog posted on 2007-01-12 2:26:21 ET Reply Trace http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=169733&Disp=461#C461 [...] Mad Dog posted on 2007-01-12 2:26:21 ET What's your problem, skippy? You couldn't even remember your own NEC? FC-1139 is GCS MK 160 MOD 8/OSS MK 46 MOD 1 Fire Control Technician. FC-1140 is AN/SPS-48E Search Radar Technician. NAVPERS 18068F, Vol 2, page 28: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=169733&Disp=461#C461 [...] Mad Dog posted on 2007-01-12 2:26:21 ET It wasn't your weapons system, skippy. It was the Navy's system, and you were not in charge of the system. Your claimed NEC 1139: What did you do? PMS the enemy to death? http://www.tpub.com/gunners/232.htm The MK-34 Gun system. http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=169733&Disp=485#C485 Out of the padded room again,Princess? How much time did you have "in country" again? 13 months carrying a rifle. And you? sneakypete posted on 2007-01-27 20:47:57 ET Reply Trace http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=169733&Disp=488#C488 Already answered, did you forget? 40 months carrying a 5"/54, twin 3"/50s, Terrier, and Tartar, CAP under our vector 24/7,.... Oh yeah, I forgot in your fevered little bird brain, nobody but you did anything. Uh, YEAH SURE, you Betcha. Mad Dog posted on 2007-01-27 21:05:14 ET Reply Trace
LOL! Hey you foul low life stolen valor phony wannabe lubber WOG shithead, my DD214, box 16a, says "FTM--1139" what's the matter LUBBER? do you think that you know more than the US NAVY does you miserable WOG? LOL! And WOG I was a FTM, the M means MISSILES bird brain. LOL! FC didn't EXIST when I was in the NAVY you gibbering wannabe LUBBER WOG! LOL! So ... It turns out that the foul senile OLD wannabe LUBBER WOG lying piece of shit stolen valor poser wants to be pretend to be a lifer. You certainly act like the typical no balls, back stabbing, chicken shit, lickspittle toady turdblossom that almost ALL lifers that I ever ran into were. So PROVE it you no balls stolen valor lying little senile OLD wannabe LUBBER WOG bitch. PROVE IT. You foul, senile, old, miserable, stolen valor piece of shit wannabe LUBBER WOG bitch. PROVE IT you useless wannabe stolen valor OLD senile wannabe LUBBER WOG LYING POS. PROVE IT bitch. SINCE you CLAIM service in the US NAVY you useless senile OLD lying foul wannabe lubber WOG ... Where do YOU claim to have done boot WOG? Where did you do YOUR "A"/"C"/other school WOG? What was YOUR first ship WOG? What was YOUR RATE WOG? What ships did YOU serve on and where and when WOG? What was YOUR Department WOG? What was YOUR Division WOG? Where did YOU cross the line WOG, on board what ship WOG? Where's YOUR Honorable Discharge WOG? Where's YOUR DD-214 WOG? Tell us all about it WOG. YOU COWARD. YOU LIAR. YOU CREEP. YOU WANNABE LUBBER WOG.
#114. To: Mad Dog (#111)
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=169733&Disp=461#C461 [...] Mad Dog posted on 2007-01-12 2:26:21 ET What's your problem, skippy? You couldn't even remember your own NEC? You just can't keep your lies straight. Deal with it, fraud. FC-1139 is GCS MK 160 MOD 8/OSS MK 46 MOD 1 Fire Control Technician. FC-1140 is AN/SPS-48E Search Radar Technician. NAVPERS 18068F, Vol 2, page 28: You claimed NEC 1139: http://www.tpub.com/gunners/232.htm The MK-34 Gun system.
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#2. To: war, nolu chan (#1)
#3. To: A K A Stone, war (#2)
Palin has potential.
#5. To: nolu chan (#3)
Palin's 15 minutes came and went. Hillary's stock has risen as Secretary of State while Obama's stock has fallen. I made the point some months back that Hillary would make the stronger candidate this time around. The GOP, with its weak field, is probably happy they are not running against her.
#6. To: Mad Dog (#5)
Governor Palin isn't even an announced candidate and who are the libTURDS in a FRENZY over?
#8. To: nolu chan (#6)
1.) a.)Half-term Governor Palin b.) is not running, will not run, would not win the nomination were she to run, and would likely ensure GOP failure if she were to be the candidate. She is manifestly, overwhelmingly incompetent. The Dems would love to run against Palin.
#9. To: Mad Dog (#8)
#29. To: Happy2BMe-OnLP (#8)
#10. To: nolu chan (#9)
You do not offer an opinion.
#18. To: Mad Dog (#10)
I always provide CITATIONS and links to anything that I claim is a FACT.
—Mad Dog #10, 2011-09-18, 16:08:50 ET You aren't really all that bright are you counselor?... Have at it counselor...
—Mad Dog #10, 2011-09-18, 16:08:50 ET You are a wannabe shyster... You bury your mistakes shyster...
—Mad Dog #10, 2011-09-18, 16:08:50 ET
#22. To: nolu chan (#18)
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#24. To: Mad Dog (#22)
YOU have NEVER served in any branch of the US armed forces anywhere at any time have YOU, you lubber bitch?
It is really interesting to me "counselor" how when I piss you off, you immediately go and TRY to revive lies about my service. ... YOU have NEVER served in any branch of the US armed forces anywhere at any time have YOU, you lubber bitch?
#326. To: sneakypete (#325)
#26. To: failed shyster nolu chan (#24)
I shall take apart your imbecilic bullshit piece by piece.
#36. To: Mad Dog (#26)
#45. To: lubber WOG punk nolu chan (#36)
Naval Training Center (NTC) San Diego was the area command. It had subordinate commands such as the Naval Schools Command and the Recruit Training Command (RTC) San Diego. The RTC had its own commanding officer. Recruits actually graduated from the RTC which was at, and subordinate to, the NTC. I just wanted you to know what command you were attached to.
#52. To: Mad Dog (#45)
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24188&Disp=45#C45
Naval Training Center (NTC) San Diego was the area command. It had subordinate commands such as the Naval Schools Command and the Recruit Training Command (RTC) San Diego. The RTC had its own commanding officer. Recruits actually graduated from the RTC which was at, and subordinate to, the NTC. I just wanted you to know what command you were attached to.
#54. To: WOG bitch nolu chan (#52)
Naval Training Center (NTC) San Diego was the area command. It had subordinate commands such as the Naval Schools Command and the Recruit Training Command (RTC) San Diego. The RTC had its own commanding officer. Recruits actually graduated from the RTC which was at, and subordinate to, the NTC. I just wanted you to know what command you were attached to. I am impressed that 38 of 40 graduates of boot camp went to serve with the Corps as Corpsmen. Now where did they really go to from boot camp? How many really had orders to serve with the Marine Corps?
#63. To: Mad Dog (#54)
Mad Dog #45
Mad Dog #54
#71. To: senile old wannabbe lubber WOG nolu chan (#63)
From 1913 to 2011 there was only one HM "A" school and it has
never been in Balboa nimrod.
#80. To: Mad Dog (#71)
I don't know s**t about being or how you become a CORPSMAN. WHY WOULD I FOOL?
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=169733&Disp=326#C326
Mad Dog #45
Mad Dog #54
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Medical_Center_San_Diego
http://www.balboaparkhistory.net/glimpses/navalhospital.pdf
http://www.militarymuseum.org/cpKidd.html
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/09/obama-brings-guests-to-jobs-speech/1
http://www.lejeune.usmc.mil/fmtb/fmst.shtml
#86. To: wannabe lubber WOG nolu chan (#80)
(Edited)
BLAH BLAH B:LAH BLAH
#95. To: Mad Dog (#86)
Mad Dog #86
I don't know s**t about being or how you become a CORPSMAN. WHY WOULD I FOOL?
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=169733&Disp=326#C326
Mad Dog #45
Mad Dog #54
#100. To: senile OLD wannabe lubber WOG nolu chan (#95)
senile OLD wannabe lubber WOG cut n paste
#106. To: Mad Dog (#100)
#461. To: vrmc 0915, sneakypete, seen2much, Travis McGee, ALL (#450)
this poser still at it?
I was a FTM nec1139 AN/SPS-48 (uv), part of GMFS-76, a Terrier system on board USS Horne DLG-30, a Tartar system ob USS Parsons DDG-33.
My weapons systems splashed three (3) migs, 2 ob Parsons and one ob Horne.
FC-1139 GCS MK 160 MOD 8/OSS MK 46 MOD 1 Fire Control Technician Performs planned and corrective maintenance on the Gun Computer System MK 160 MOD 8 and Optical Sight System MK 46 MOD 1 of the Gun Weapon System MK 34 MOD 1 at the organizational and intermediate levels. Performs casualty analysis, fault detection/isolation, modular replacement, repair, test and alignment of individual equipment using Built-In-Test Capability. Operates the GCS Gun Console (GC) and OSS Control and Display (CDC) consoles and associated equipment in support of the ship's combat weapon system in a tactical situation and during test and evaluation.
(GCS), a 5"/54 Mk 45 gun system, and an EX 46 optical sight. The following is a brief description of each of these components except for the 5"/54 Mk 45 gun that was described in chapter 6.
#485. To: Mad Dog (#484)
As I said earlier, I didn't expect you to ACT like a "man" now either.
#488. To: sneakypete (#485)
#111. To: senile OLD useless foul low life stolen valor phony wannabe lubber WOG nolu chan (#106)
A masterpiece of cut n paste time takers!
Replies to Comment # 111. And WOG I was a FTM, the M means MISSILES bird brain.
I was a FTM nec1139 AN/SPS-48 (uv), part of GMFS-76, a Terrier system on board USS Horne DLG-30, a Tartar system ob USS Parsons DDG-33.
FC-1139 GCS MK 160 MOD 8/OSS MK 46 MOD 1 Fire Control Technician Performs planned and corrective maintenance on the Gun Computer System MK 160 MOD 8 and Optical Sight System MK 46 MOD 1 of the Gun Weapon System MK 34 MOD 1 at the organizational and intermediate levels. Performs casualty analysis, fault detection/isolation, modular replacement, repair, test and alignment of individual equipment using Built-In-Test Capability. Operates the GCS Gun Console (GC) and OSS Control and Display (CDC) consoles and associated equipment in support of the ship's combat weapon system in a tactical situation and during test and evaluation.
(GCS), a 5"/54 Mk 45 gun system, and an EX 46 optical sight. The following is a brief description of each of these components except for the 5"/54 Mk 45 gun that was described in chapter 6.
End Trace Mode for Comment # 111.
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