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Title: What was Hitler’s Unforgivable Sin?
Source: VETERANS TODAY
URL Source: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/0 ... campbell-behind-the-holocaust/
Published: Sep 15, 2011
Author: J. B. Campbell
Post Date: 2011-09-15 19:41:10 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 17667
Comments: 38

Behind the Holocaust

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by J. B. Campbell

 

Hitler resisted Judaism. When you’re a little kid in school or at the movies, resisting Judaism can be made to seem a very wicked thing. As an adult, you can be made to think that to resist Judaism is the very worst, the most dangerous thing. When you see what has happened to people who have resisted Judaism, well – you certainly don’t want that to happen to you.

Adolf Hitler was, is and will always be the most dangerous character in history due to his resistance against Judaism combined with his eloquence in explaining why Judaism must be resisted. Some of us “Jew-fighters” have a personal motto, delenda est judaica, or Judaism must be destroyed. Or, Defense Against Jewish Aggression. When we have studied the history of whatever period you care to name, or just looked at the news, true humans react with the natural urge to remove this cancer from society. The most astonishing example of the Jewish mentality was last year’s murderous assault against the humanitarians attempting to bring food, medicine and building materials to the people of Gaza. Jewish ways are repellant to the human mind and are not examined overmuch for that reason.

Judaism can be simply described as very bad behavior.

Hitler never attempted to destroy Judaism but rather to isolate it and perhaps remove its adherents from Europe. This followed attempts to train Jews to be productive human beings in places such as Dachau and Theresienstadt. As Evelyn Kaye writes in The Hole in the Sheet, orthodox Jews do not work. They are allergic to work, preferring instead to occupy themselves by reading the Talmud and arguing endlessly with other Jews about what they read. So this is a big problem with Jews, their refusal to work and produce something that is not based on ripping off and confounding their victims.

Hitler’s attempt to re-train Jews, which didn’t work, and then to remove Jews from Europe was a work in progress. Since the Khazars had infiltrated Europe from the east, his plan for relocation was to put them back in the Pale whence they came. This scheme depended upon the success of Operation Barbarossa, the great assault against the Soviet Union which was always the ultimate and stated objective of the National Socialists. Communism had to be destroyed so that Judaism could be re-confined to its traditional home in the Pale of Settlement. Hitler’s basic plan for Jews was somehow to confine and isolate them in a place in which they could be prevented from doing humanity more harm. This is a very difficult thing to do because there are so many aspects to Judaism, the most dangerous of which is banking, which is the main point of this piece.

Because now I’m seeing that the main purpose of keeping alive the Holocaust is to protect Jewish banking practices.

Before we get to that, let’s examine the Holocaust briefly. It’s a big subject but the whole subject is demolished by the videotaped visit to Auschwitz by a young American Jew named David Cole, which took place back in 1992. For example, a dozen years ago I was visited by a reporter named Dave Hendrix from the Dallas Morning News. He was interviewing me for a big story he was writing on the militia and the general resistance movement in America. He would spend four days interviewing me at my home in Carmel, California. When we were first introduced, no doubt knowing my attitude, he made a disclosure: “I must tell you before we begin, that I am a believer in the Holocaust.” I immediately responded, “Not a problem.” And nothing more was said about it for a day or so. On the second day, before he retired to his hotel, I asked if he would be willing to look at a film? He agreed. I showed him David Cole’s Visit to Auschwitz  and when it was over said, “Well, there’s another viewpoint.” Dave, however, was speechless. He finally said, “That was devastating to everything I’ve ever believed.”


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By the fourth day, I had persuaded Dave to drop the militia/resistance project and instead write a big piece on Oklahoma City, since my good friend Cheri Seymour had so much primary information on the subject in her files. Reluctant at first to attack that subject, he eventually requested and got the green light from Dallas. This nearly got him killed. Dave met with Cheri and me a week or so later in Hermosa Beach and received his first load of documents from Cheri. He went back to his apartment and was felled by a severe heart attack. His wife was fortunately and unusually at home and got the EMT people there in time to save him, which he would not have been able to do for himself. When he finally recovered, the OKC story was canceled and Dave was made a story editor, never again to investigate and write as he had been doing for many years. When we met again, he said simply, “They got me. It was not a natural heart attack.”

As you will see in the Cole video, the holy gas chamber is a fake. Which makes the entire Holocaust story a fake. You can study it for a day or for a lifetime and your conclusion will be the same. There was never a plan for exterminating Jews and there was never an instrument. As Professor Robert Faurisson has asked for years, “Show me a gas chamber. Draw for me a gas chamber.” It can’t be done because there was never such a thing.

There is the matter of the Six Million. As we in the anti-Jewish movement well know, the Jews were claiming years before, during and after the First World War that six million Jews had been exterminated by the Germans. Of course, no one took this seriously. By 1943, American Jews were once again claiming that six million Jews were in danger of annihilation or had in fact been annihilated, years before the same wild claim would start up again around 1960. Now, why is this?

We now know that the insane Jewish liars are guided in this by a mystical attachment to the number six, as seen with their national symbol, the six-pointed star. Six, or six hundred, or six thousand, or six hundred thousand, or six million Jews must be removed before the messiah returns or Israel reappears or whatever. It’s not important to us, just that this is a magic number to them. And they should be wholly burnt in ovens. Hence, Holocaust (wholly burnt).  Read >>> Jewish History and the Scriptual Orgin of the 6 Million Dollar Number

The six million Jews exterminated by the Nazis depended in large part (66%) on Auschwitz, where four million of them were infamously done to death. Thanks to Ernst Zundel and the International Red Cross, Mikhail Gorbachev in 1989 released to the Red Cross the captured death records from Auschwitz. The forty-six volumes cover the period of 1941 to ’43 and record about 69,000 deaths, mainly from disease or natural causes. The IRC had investigated all the German and Polish camps during and after the war and estimated about 200,000 deaths, some of them Jewish. When the US Army liberated Dachau, for example, of the 32,000 inmates, about 1,200 were Jews. Jewish representation was so tiny during WWII as to be insignificant, except in their minds. In their minds, the 60 million actual deaths of real people were insignificant, not worthy of consideration.  Read >>> Long-Hidden Death Certificates Discredit Extermination Claims

We can read and read and the more we read the bigger the swindle is revealed. That’s why the main thing is to watch David Cole’s video and not get too wrapped up in the Holocaust, one way or the other. But we should understand the real purpose of Holocaust indoctrination, which I now believe is this: our money.

Our money is our lifeblood. Without money, of course, we die as individuals. Without a proper money system, society dies, which is pretty much what is happening to our society now. This is due to the Jewish money system imposed on us by the aliens who own the private money-making company they call the Federal Reserve System.

We are today witnessing the dangers of precious metals. The only metals that are precious to me are steel, lead and brass. Gold and silver, while intoxicating in their wonderfulness, are just as dangerous and volatile as liquid intoxicants and just as likely to make you lose your wits – and your fortune. There is nothing righteous or magical or even necessary about a nation’s currency being “backed” by gold or silver. This was proved by Adolf Hitler during the 1930s. It was proved so conclusively that the Jews want to make sure that it’s never tried again. The best way to ensure this is to associate debt-free currency with mass murder!

For some reason, the Jews of the world wanted to destroy Germany. We can probably never understand their insane drive to do this but the facts cannot be denied. They also wanted to destroy the Russian ruling class and the Russian people, as we saw happen following their takeover of Russia in 1917. And we see that they apparently wanted to destroy the American people from an early time, dating at least since 1913. The destruction of the Russians, Germans and Europeans in general depended on their takeover of the American banking system in 1913, because it was followed closely by the totalitarian devastation that began in 1914 with the assassination of the Austrian archduke by Gavrilo Princip.

World War I ended in 1918 and this began Germany’s great misery. They were blamed by the victors for starting the war and were forced to pay “reparations” that became so extreme by the early 1920s that their money became worthless. Hundreds of thousands of Germans starved to death because of the money and because of a blockade by England and America to prevent food from getting in. A food convoy was organized by Henry Ford, Herbert Hoover and Norway’s Vidkun Quisling to rescue the starving people of Germany and others in Europe. Quisling’s name has been turned into a dirty word by the Jews and is misused today by people who should know better. He was a great humanitarian and took Germany’s side against the forces of Judaism and Bolshevism for over twenty years.

Adolf Hitler, like Franklin Roosevelt, came to power democratically in January, 1933, in the depths of the world depression. Both Germany and America were starving because of the actions of the Federal Reserve System, now twenty years old. They were starving because the Fed had “deflated” the money supply, withdrew currency from circulation and refused to issue new currency. Credit to farmers and businesses and individuals was denied for no particular reason. Roosevelt outlawed gold and began its confiscation in April, with punishment of ten years in prison and ten thousand dollars in fines. Once he got all of our gold, which was then priced at about twenty dollars an ounce, he raised the price to thirty-two dollars. That made it the biggest, boldest swindle up until that time. Of course, the Federal Reserve System swindlers got the gold – and the massive increase in value.

Hitler came to power over a bankrupt and starving country with unemployment at roughly 50%! The Americans had stolen all Germany’s gold by the early ‘20s, so there was no basis for a monetary system other than to keep borrowing from the Jewish crooks on Wall Street that had given Germany the Young Plan and the Dawes Plan of perpetual indebtedness to private bankers masquerading as the “central bank.” What to do?

Hitler and Hjalmar Schacht issued debt-free currency based on Lincoln’s debt-free currency. What they did led to the swift regeneration of the German economy and the world’s greatest prosperity of the working class, while the rest of the world stayed mired in the Great Depression being run by the sadistic central bankers. This was the worst possible crime and had to be punished by the most terrible war in human history, including fire-bombings of entire cities and deliberate mass starvations of millions following the war. Our nuclear bombs would have dropped on Germans but they weren’t ready in time, so they were dropped on Germany’s allies who were trying to surrender. Please refer to Theodore Kaufman’s charming little book, Germany Must Perish!, which was the basis of the Morgenthau Plan for Germany, executed mercilessly by Dwight David Eisenhower, which resulted in the starvation deaths of millions of Germans.


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Ellen Brown and Bill Still have provided us with debt-free currency plans that will deliver us from the Federal Reserve racketeers and eliminate our indebtedness to the pinstriped scum-rats in less than one year, based on the Hitler model, which they don’t want to say. John F. Kennedy declared war on the Fed racketeers by issuing four billion dollars in debt-free US Notes in April of his last year on earth. Abraham Lincoln first issued debt-free currency when the bankers whom he’d approached for war loans wanted 34% in interest. He only survived a few days longer than his war for crimes against the bankers.

So let’s understand what’s behind the Holocaust. Why don’t Brown and Still, both monetary geniuses, want to credit Hitler and Schacht with the secret to economic prosperity in the face of total meltdown? Why, because of the Holocaust! The greatest economic miracle in history occurred in Germany under Adolf Hitler, who ignored the central bankers intent on raping the world, seizing real property, through high interest and deflation. The Russians have recently confirmed suspicions that the American legend of the Depression (“As bad as it was – nobody starved.”) is a lie. Russian investigators have revealed that millions of Americans actually died of starvation and exposure during the years 1929 to 1941 but their deaths were written off to natural causes.

As Hitler remarked in his declaration of war following Pearl Harbor, he had delivered Germany from the doubly devastating conditions of the Versailles Treaty and the general world Depression by 1935 while Roosevelt kept mighty America in abject misery with his Federal Reserve starvation policies right to the present time (December, 1941). He stole all the people’s gold and then increased its value by 60%. And he refused to do what Lincoln had done before him and what Kennedy would do after him: he refused to issue debt-free currency and rescue the American people from aggravated poverty, degradation and death by starvation.

How could that be? How could Hitler state such a thing? Because it was true. It was simple and it was true. The secret to general and permanent prosperity is for the government of any country to issue debt-free currency in amounts necessary for commerce and growth. That is what the founders had in mind with Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution. We should read that over from time to time. Clause 5 says that the “Congress shall have power To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures.” Clause 6 is even better: “Congress shall have the power To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States.”

You can see where this puts the owners of the counterfeiting company called the Federal Reserve System. The proposed punishment for counterfeiting was execution by hanging.

Anyway, let us recognize the Holocaust for what it is, a device to make the idea of debt-free currency repellant to our minds, because anyone who would do it really just wants to gas the Jews.

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#1. To: Brian S (#0) (Edited)

What was Hitler’s Unforgivable Sin?

Listening to the eugenicists in the American Progressive movement.


Oh, God, can you ever imagine what would happen to the country if Lyndon Johnson were president? -- Jackie Kennedy

jwpegler  posted on  2011-09-15   19:44:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Brian S (#0)

Intelligent design ...

natural selection ---

survival of the fittest !

Isn't math - science being tought in the schools anymore !

Looks like it's all pot smoking now !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2011-09-15   19:49:18 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: jwpegler (#1)

THAT'S gonna' leave a mark!!!

LOL.

I'm guess Baghdad Brian won't have the stones to attempt to refute this fact, which you precisely stated...

To:Skippy, toe-jam, old man Fred Alzheimers Mertz, _jim, loonymom/ming, e-type-jackoff, goober56, Wrek, calcon, dummy DwarF, continental op, Biff, gobsheit and meguro From: Capitalist Eric Message: You're SOCIALIST morons. ESAD.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-09-15   19:54:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: jwpegler (#1)

Listening to the eugenicists in the American Progressive movement.

You believe that American eugencists are responsible for the Holocaust?

You really are a work not in progress.

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war  posted on  2011-09-16   7:56:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: war (#4)

At a March 1925 international birth control gathering in New York City, a speaker warned of the menace posed by the "black" and "yellow" peril. The man was not a Nazi or Klansman; he was Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf, a member of Margaret Sanger's American Birth Control League (ABCL), which along with other groups eventually became known as Planned Parenthood.

blackgenocide.org

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ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-16   8:31:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: jwpegler (#1)

Listening to the eugenicists in the American Progressive movement.

Worth noting Theodore Roosevelt was among this class. He compared human breeding to cattle breeding, in his own handwritting.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-09-16   8:44:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#5)

There's a difference between eugenics and just being responisble. White middle class women would douche with Lysol after intercourse to avoid pregnancy...

America...My Kind Of Place...

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--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-16   9:14:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Badeye, capitalist eric (#6)

Worth noting Theodore Roosevelt was among this class. He compared human breeding to cattle breeding, in his own handwritting.

So was Roosevelt's Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes who in Buck vs. Bell upheld forces sterilizations, writing:

“It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind...

Like all leftists, American "Progressives" are a dangerous, anti-freedom group. They can never be trusted.


Oh, God, can you ever imagine what would happen to the country if Lyndon Johnson were president? -- Jackie Kennedy

jwpegler  posted on  2011-09-16   9:25:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: jwpegler (#8)

Yep.

Tells you just how educated McCain is btw (eyes rollin)

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-09-16   9:27:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: war, Get Outta Dodge! (#7)

There's a difference between eugenics and just being responisble. White middle class women would douche with Lysol after intercourse to avoid pregnancy...

Rule of Disinformation #15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.

Rule of Disinformation #17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can “argue” with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

Rule of Disinformation #18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can’t do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how “sensitive they are to criticism”.

To:Skippy, toe-jam, old man Fred Alzheimers Mertz, _jim, loonymom/ming, e-type-jackoff, goober56, Wrek, calcon, dummy DwarF, continental op, Biff, gobsheit and meguro From: Capitalist Eric Message: You're SOCIALIST morons. ESAD.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-09-16   12:11:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Capitalist Eric (#10) (Edited)

Clueless twit.

The disinformation is in trying to tie Sanger into eugneics rather than simple birth control. She believed in "dysgenics" not "eugenics". This included restricting immigration. She was also not an advocate for abortion. In fact, she was opposed to it in almost all circumstances.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-16   12:38:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: war (#11)

The disinformation is in trying to tie Sanger into eugneics rather than simple birth control. She believed in "dysgenics" not "eugenics". This included restricting immigration. She was also not an advocate for abortion. In fact, she was opposed to it in almost all circumstances.

Feldt herself recognizes Sanger’s involvement with eugenics as “the most difficult stain” to remove from Sanger’s legacy

feministsforchoice.com

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ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-16   12:46:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#12)

Apparently Sanger's own speeches, and personal letters aren't concrete evidence with some?

You can't make this kind of ignorance up.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-09-16   13:00:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Badeye, war (#13)

Apparently Sanger's own speeches, and personal letters aren't concrete evidence with some?

I deliberately chose that particular website - feministsforchoice.com - so the source couldn't be impugned as "right wing."

Sanger is a person who the present-day Left would just as soon expunge from the history books.

__________________________________________________________________________________________

ABC NEWS: [Ron Paul] added that the United States is in 130 countries and has 900 bases around the world, and added that “we’re broke.”. He was booed at a Tea-Party debate.
Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Statist and all ships at sea. Your demonization of the Tea Party has worked - you need no longer fear it! Carry on!!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-16   13:06:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#12) (Edited)

Eugenics was a form of Social Darwinism. Sanger believed that ALL women should practice contraception. To her, the issue was population GROWTH across ALL classes of people not only the lower classes.

At the time, believing that the feeble minded should NOT be allowed to breed was a fairly mainstream belief...at the time, the belief that immigrants were overbreeding was a mainstream belief.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-16   13:08:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#14)

This is from your own link: “Those opposed to women’s equality in any form will always use it against her and the movement she founded, even though she more than redeemed herself and was among the first U.S leaders to denounce Hitler.”

What is it with you folks and actually reading stuff? Frist Erica...then Hondo...now YOU...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-16   13:11:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Badeye (#13)

Apparently Sanger's own speeches, and personal letters aren't concrete evidence with some?

Post one Boofer...

/asshole

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-16   13:15:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#14)

Sanger is a person who the present-day Left would just as soon expunge from the history books.

They only want to do that now because her letters, speeches, and other commentary are becoming 'known', primarily due to the internet.

The simple, undeniable truth is Margaret Sanger wanted to eliminate 'inferior' breeds within the human species. There is no spinning it.

Her own words, in her own handwriting, confirm this beyond any doubt.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-09-16   13:15:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#14)

btw, I note this as someone who reluctantly believes abortion is a choice best left in the home. Its nobody's business except the parties directly involved, meaning the two potential parents.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-09-16   13:17:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Badeye (#19)

Sanger was anti-abortion, Boof.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-16   13:18:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: war (#16)

What is it with you folks and actually reading stuff? Frist Erica...then Hondo...now YOU...

It's a persistent Tea Bagger trait.

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#22. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#14)

The third are those irresponsible and reckless ones having little regard for the consequence of their acts, or whose religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers. Many of this group are diseased, feeble- minded, and are of the pauper element dependent entirely upon the normal and fit members of society for their support. There is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped. For if they are not able to support and care for themselves, they should certainly not be allowed to bring offspring into this world for others to look after. We do not believe that filling the earth with misery, poverty and disease is moral. And it is our desire and intention to carry on our crusade until the perpetuation of such conditions has ceased.

We desire to stop at its source the disease, poverty and feeble-mindedness and insanity which exist today, for these lower the standards of civilization and make for race deterioration. We know that the masses of people are growing wiser and are using their own minds to decide their individual conduct. The more people of this kind we have, the less immorality shall exist. For the more responsible people grow, the higher do they and shall they attain real morality.

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Tell me what your issue with the above is...

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#23. To: war (#15)

t the time, believing that the feeble minded should NOT be allowed to breed was a fairly mainstream belief...at the time, the belief that immigrants were overbreeding was a mainstream belief.

So was the belief that "negroes" shouldn't be allowed to breed.

Look - it's okay to admit that our own particular set of "giants" of the past actually had feet of clay.

Harry Truman was a "good" liberal - but many of his views (mainstream in his day) would be considered racist today.

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#24. To: war (#22) (Edited)

The third are those irresponsible and reckless ones having little regard for the consequence of their acts, or whose religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers. Many of this group are diseased, feeble- minded, and are of the pauper element dependent entirely upon the normal and fit members of society for their support. There is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped. For if they are not able to support and care for themselves, they should certainly not be allowed to bring offspring into this world for others to look after. We do not believe that filling the earth with misery, poverty and disease is moral. And it is our desire and intention to carry on our crusade until the perpetuation of such conditions has ceased.

I'm trying to figure out if Margaret sounds more like a Tea Bagger or a Reagan Republican.

mininggold  posted on  2011-09-16   13:29:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#23) (Edited)

So was the belief that "negroes" shouldn't be allowed to breed.

She did not target specific races or peoples. At the time, preventing feeble minded people from breeding was statutory law in several states. See: Buck v. Bell. The issue of the or a Srate having the power to control family size, while never being decided, has certainly been a power that the SCOTUS has recognized as existing even if not exercised.

The issue here is not whether Sanger had "feet of clay" but, rather, her association with eugenics and thus Hitler as well as curtrent abortion law. Making those associations fails for several reasons.

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#26. To: mininggold (#24)

It's typical of the right's penchant for bastardizing history. I find it hilarious that Boofer wants us to believe that a) he has any in depth knowledge of Sanger and b) that her writings and speeches were somehow hidden until today...hell...you can listen to some of her speeches...they were recorded...

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"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
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#27. To: war (#22)

Tell me what your issue with the above is...

It's with definitions.

How did she define "feeble-minded". Were they reproducing in great numbers? And is she just singling out Catholics when she writes "religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers"?

I'm pretty sure in Sanger's day, that people who were legally insane or "retarded" were probably placed in institutions - which should have segregated them by sex so as to prevent procreation.

I don't have a problem with promoting birth control - as long as it's not being forced by a ever powerful and ubiquitous government.

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Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-09-16   13:39:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#27)

How did she define "feeble-minded"

The earliest recorded use of the term in the English language dates from 1534 when it appears in one of the first English translations of the new testament in the biblical injunction to "Comforte the feble mynded".[1]

A Times editorial of November 1834 describes the long serving former Prime Minister Lord Liverpool as a "feeble-minded pedant of office". [2]

However, from the latter half of the nineteenth century the term feeble-minded acquired a much more precise meaning as a type of "mental deficiency". Mental deficiency itself was an umbrella term which encompassed all degrees of educational and social deficiency. Within the concept of mental deficiency there was a hierarchy of disability ranging from idiocy, at the most severe end of the scale, to imbecility, at the median point, and to feeblemindedness at the highest end which was conceived of as a form of high grade mental deficiency.[3] The invention of this ranking system of mental deficiency has been credited to Sir Charles Trevelyan in 1876,[4] however, it had in fact been in use at least ten years previously.[5] In addition, wild card terms outside of the established hierarchy of mental deficiency, such as idiot savant may have been used as connotations for those who were thought to fall somewhere under the autistic spectrum.[citation needed]

The British government's Royal Commission on the Care and Control of the Feeble- Minded (1904-1908), in its Report in 1908 defined the feeble-minded as:

persons who may be capable of earning a living under favourable circumstances, but are incapable from mental defect, existing from birth or from an early age: (1) of competing on equal terms with their normal fellows, or (2) of managing themselves and their affairs with ordinary prudence.[5]

Despite being pejorative, the term was considered, along with idiot and moron, to be a relatively precise psychiatric label in its day.

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/feeble-minded#ixzz1Y8eOI4XG The American psychologist Henry H. Goddard, creator of the term moron, was director of the Vineland Training School (originally the Vineland Training School for Backward and Feeble-minded Children) at Vineland, New Jersey. Goddard was known for postulating most effectively that "feeble-mindedness" was a hereditary trait, most likely caused by a single recessive gene. This led Goddard to ring eugenic alarm bells in his 1912 work, The Kallikak Family: A Study in the Heredity of Feeble-Mindedness, about those in the population who carried the recessive trait despite outward appearances of normality.

In the first half of the 20th century, "feeble-mindedness, in any of its grades" was a common criterion for compulsory sterilization in many U.S. states. In the 1927 case Buck v. Bell, Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes closed the 8-1 majority opinion upholding the sterilization of Carrie Buck, who along with her mother and daughter was labeled "feeble-minded", with the infamous phrase, "Three generations of imbeciles are enough."

Jack London's 1914 story, "Told in the Drooling Ward," describes inmates at a California institution for the "feeble-minded." Such an institution existed (the California Home for the Care and Training of Feeble-minded Children, now the Sonoma Developmental Center) close to the Jack London Ranch in Glen Ellen, California. The story is a narrative told from the point of view of a self- styled "high-grade feeb".

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/feeble-minded#ixzz1Y8eJAolv

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war  posted on  2011-09-16   13:43:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: war (#16)

This is from your own link: “Those opposed to women’s equality in any form will always use it against her and the movement she founded, even though she more than redeemed herself and was among the first U.S leaders to denounce Hitler.”

What is it with you folks and actually reading stuff? Frist Erica...then Hondo...now YOU...

I cited a pro-choice, feminist website (which could not be negated as "right-wing")

While I give them Kudos for at least acknowledging Sanger's eugenic ties, I'm not surprised that they then go one to use hyperbole (those opposed to women's equality IN ANY FORM??) to create a strawman argument.

Again I'll draw a Truman analogy - If a democrat leaning website was discussing Truman, they might say "he held many racist viewpoints."

But then - to mitigate that to their audience - they would say something like "But he fought LONG and HARD against those dastardly, evil republicans of his day"

See how that works?

As to the comment about Sanger vs. Hitler: Sanger did denouce Hitler in 1933, so it appears that statement about her has merit.

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#30. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#29) (Edited)

I cited a pro-choice, feminist website (which could not be negated as "right-wing")

Yes you did. You also imply that the site is somehow stipulating that Sanger represented an ongoing personification of the worst of the eugenics movement. In fact, tbe site does the opposite. It states that the "stain is difficult to remoive" but then goes ahead and removes that stain by citing the whole history of Sanger's work. In other words, the stain isn't permanent but remedied.

While I give them Kudos for at least acknowledging Sanger's eugenic ties,

What they, in fact, acknowledge is that Sanger's ties to negative eugenics are tenuous. That her commitment was to birth/poulation control across all segments and classes.

I'm not surprised that they then go one to use hyperbole (those opposed to women's equality IN ANY FORM??) to create a strawman argument.

It wasn't hyperbole but, in fact, an accurate observation. Their numbers may be diminished from Sanger's time but "they" are still out there.

Sanger did denouce Hitler in 1933, so it appears that statement about her has merit.

Merit?!? How about just admitting that it's 100% true.

Sanger was anti-abortion on demand...true or false?

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war  posted on  2011-09-16   14:12:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: war (#30)

Yes you did. You also imply that the site is somehow stipulating that Sanger represented an ongoing personification of the worst of the eugenics movement.

Here's the conclusion I've drawn re: the eugenics movement.

It was a natural offshoot of Darwinism. It made sense (it you throw ethics out the window): if animals could be selectively bred, why not humans? Many late 19th-early 20th century academics and intellectuals glommed onto the idea.

It wasn't until the darker possibilities became apparent (surprise - you cannot throw ethics out, after all) that the movement came into disfavor.

This little exercise into the history of eugenics in general and Sanger in particular has underscored (to me, at least) the danger of demonizing past historical figures. (Or on the flip side - putting them on pedestals).

Unless you've done a doctoral dissertation on someone and can be considered an expert, just leave it that we all have good points and bad.

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#32. To: jwpegler, Brian S (#1)

Listening to the eugenicists in the American Progressive movement.

Edwin Black, War Against the Weak, Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race, (2003), pp. 258-60:

Gassing the unwanted, the lethal chamber and other methods of euthanasia became a part of everyday American parlance and ethical debate some two decades before President Woodrow Wilson, in General Order 62, directed that the "Gas Service" become the "Chemical Warfare Service," instructing them to develop toxic gas weapons for world war. The lethal chamber was a eugenic concept more than two decades before Nevada approved the first such chamber for criminal executions in 1921, and then gassed with cyanide a Chinese-born murderer, the first such execution in the world. Davenport declared that capital punishment was a eugenic necessity. Popenoe's textbook, Applied Eugenics, listed execution as one of nine sug­gested remedies for defectives—without specifying criminals.

In the first decades of the twentieth century, America's eugenics move­ment inspired and spawned a world of look-alikes, act-alikes and think-alikes. The U.S. movement also rendered scientific aid and comfort to undisguised racists everywhere, from Walter Plecker in Virginia right across Europe. American theory, practice and legislation were the models. In France, Belgium, Sweden, England and elsewhere in Europe, each clique of raceological eugenicists did their best to introduce eugenic princi­ples into national life; perhaps more importantly, they could always point to recent precedents established in the United States. Germany was no exception. German eugenicists had formed academic and personal relationships with Davenport and the American eugenic estab­lishment from the turn of the century. Even after World War I, when Germany would not cooperate with the International Federation of Eugenic Organizations because of French, English and Belgian involvement, its bonds with Davenport and the rest of the U.S. movement remained strong. American foundations such as the Carnegie Institution and the Rockefeller Foundation generously funded German race biology with hundreds of thou­sands of dollars, even as Americans stood in breadlines.

Germany had certainly developed its own body of eugenic knowledge and library of publications. Yet German readers still closely followed American eugenic accomplishments as the model: biological courts, forced sterilization, detention for the socially inadequate, debates on euthanasia. As America's elite were describing the socially worthless and the ancestrally unfit as "bacteria," "vermin," "mongrels" and "subhuman," a superior race of Nordics was increasingly seen as the final solution to the globe's eugenic problems.

America had established the value of race and blood. In Germany, the concept was known as Rasse und Blut.

U.S. proposals, laws, eugenic investigations and ideology were not undertaken quietly out of sight of German activists. They became inspira­tional blueprints for Germany's rising tide of race biologists and race-based hatemongers, be they white-coated doctors studying Eugenical News and attending congresses in New York, or brown-shirted agitators waving ban­ners and screaming for social upheaval in the streets of Munich.

One such agitator was a disgruntled corporal in the German army. He was an extreme nationalist who also considered himself a race biologist and an advocate of a master race. He was willing to use force to achieve his nationalist racial goals. His inner circle included Germany's most promi­nent eugenic publisher. In 1924, he was serving time in prison for mob action. While in prison, he spent his time poring over eugenic textbooks, which extensively quoted Davenport, Popenoe and other American raceo-logical stalwarts. Moreover, he closely followed the writings of Leon Whitney, president of the American Eugenics Society, and Madison Grant, who extolled the Nordic race and bemoaned its corruption by Jews, Negroes, Slavs and others who did not possess blond hair and blue eyes. The young German corporal even wrote one of them fan mail.

In The Passing of the Great Race, Madison Grant wrote: "Mistaken regard for what are believed to be divine laws and a sentimental belief in the sanctity of human life tend to prevent both the elimination of defec­tive infants and the sterilization of such adults as are themselves of no value to the community. The laws of nature require the obliteration of the unfit and human life is valuable only when it is of use to the commu­nity or race."

One day in the early 1930s, AES president Whitney visited the home of Grant, who was at the time chairing a eugenic immigration committee. Whitney wanted to show off a letter he had just received from Germany, written by the corporal, now out of prison and rising in the German politi­cal scene. Grant could only smile. He pulled out his own letter. It was from the same German, thanking Grant for writing The Passing of the Great Race. The fan letter stated that Grant's book was "his Bible."

The man writing both letters to the American eugenic leaders would soon burn and gas his name into the blackest corner of history. He would duplicate the American eugenic program—both that which was legislated and that which was only brashly advocated—and his group would consis­tently point to the United States as setting the precedents for Germany's actions. And then this man would go further than any American eugenicist ever dreamed, further than the world would ever tolerate, further than humanity will ever forget.

The man who sent those letters was Adolf Hitler.

The Supreme Court in Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200 (8-1) was decided in 1927. The Supreme Court approved forced sterilization with the following famous passage:

Carrie Buck is a feeble-minded white woman who was committed to the State Colony above mentioned in due form. She is the daughter of a feeble- minded mother in the same institution, and the mother of an illegitimate feeble-minded child. She was eighteen years old at the time of the trial of her case in the Circuit Court in the latter part of 1924. An Act of Virginia approved March 20, 1924 (Laws 1924, c. 394) recites that the health of the patient and the welfare of society may be promoted in certain cases by the sterilization of mental defectives....

It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes. Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905) , 25 S. Ct. 358, 3 Ann. Cas. 765. Three generations of imbeciles are enough.

The law approved by the court required a showing that the person belonged to a lineage containing three consecutive imbeciles, and thus arises the Court's comment "Three generations of imbeciles are enough." It was shown to the satisfaction of the lower courts and the Supreme Court that Carrie Buck was an imbecile, Ms. Buck's mother was an imbecile and that her daughter Vivian was an imbecile. That was three generations. Pursuant to this ruling of the U.S. Supreme Court, Carrie Buck was sterilized on October 19, 1927. Her daughter Vivian was placed in the care of another family named Dobbs. Although declared an imbecile by the courts, daughter Vivian was enrolled in school and earned her place on the honor roll.

"Even states with strong eugenics movements had only performed a small number: Kansas, for instance, had sterilized or castrated 335 men and women; Nebraska had sterilized 262 men and women; Oregon had sterilized 313; and Wisconsin had sterilized 144."

"Although some 6,244 state-sanctioned operations were logged from 1907 to July of 1925, three-fourths of these were in just one state: California. California, which boasted the country's most activist eugenic organizations and theorists, proudly performed 4,636 sterilizations and castrations in less than two decades. Under California's sweeping eugenics law, all feebleminded or other mental patients were sterilized before discharge, and any criminal found guilty of any crime three times could be asexualized upon the discretion of a consulting physician. ... Many state officials were simply waiting for the outcome of the Carrie Buck case. Once Holmes' ruling was handed down, it was cited everywhere as the law of the land. New laws were enacted, bringing the total number of states sanctioning sterilization to twenty-nine."...

"The totals from 1907 to 1940 now changed dramatically. North Carolina: 1017. Michigan: 2,145. Virginia: 3,924. California's numbers soared to 14,598. Even New York State sterilized forty-one men and one woman. The grounds for sterilization fluctuated wildly. Most were adjudged feebleminded, insane, or criminal; many were guilty of the crime of being poor. Many were deemed "moral degenerates." Seven hundred were classed as "other." Some were adjudged medically unacceptable. al told, by the end of 1940, no fewer than 35,878 men and women had been sterilized or castrated -- almost 30,000 of them after Buck v. Bell.

SOURCE: Edwin Black, War Against the Weak, 2003, pp. 122-3.

See also The Black Stork.

Chicago Tribune, November 15, 1915

Chicago Tribune, November 18, 1915

The Black Stork Newspaper Controversy

http://www.npr.org/programs/disability/ba_shows.dir/children.dir/highlights/blacksto.html

The Black Stork: Movie Ads

The Black Stork, a feature film from 1917, dramatically expresses the anxieties people had about medicine and disability during this period: disability was equated with disease, doctors claimed absolute authority. Dr. Martin Pernick discusses The Black Stork in Tomorrow's Children, an excerpt of which is available here on RealAudio. Other material relevant to the film is available at the Tomorrow's Children Highlights page.

The film was inspired by the sensational case of Dr. Harry Haiselden, a Chicago surgeon who convinced the parents of a newborn with multiple disabilities to let the child die instead of performing surgery that would save its life. In the film, Haiselden actually plays himself, a wise doctor who attends the birth of a child born with congenital syphilis -- incurable at the time and a major cause of congenital disabilities. Two other doctors interfere, out of personal pride and misplaced benevolence, and try to convince the woman to save the child's life. The woman is forced to choose.

She dreams a tormented dream of her child's probable future: He grows up physically, mentally, and morally deformed. He becomes a criminal, and fathers a brood of disabled children. He isn't allowed to enlist in the Army ("Uncle Sam won't take anybody who's not perfect"). Aware that he is entirely different from others, despised and angry, he returns to kill the doctors who performed the operation that saved his life.

After this vision the woman decides to accept the doctor's advice and lets the infant die.

Haiselden's activities brought forth a storm of public controversy in which all of the currently popular attitudes toward disability were expressed. Many prominent thinkers, including Clarence Darrow and Helen Keller, argued that physicians had the right and the duty to decide whether a life was worth living. Although it was widely accepted that doctors should make these decisions and act on them in their private practices, it was rare that the subject was argued in public.

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#33. To: Badeye, Get Outta Dodge!, war (#18)

The simple, undeniable truth is Margaret Sanger wanted to eliminate 'inferior' breeds within the human species. There is no spinning it.

Her own words, in her own handwriting, confirm this beyond any doubt.

Her family had been Irish as far back as she could trace; the strain of the Norman conquerors had run true throughout the generations, and may have accounted for her unfaltering courage. Mother's eleven children were all ten-pounders or more, and both she and father had a eugenic pride of race.

Margaret Sanger: An Autobiography, (W.W. Norton & Company, 1938; New York: Dover Publications, 1971), pp. 107-08.

Sanger, at 374, expressed that birth control was one part of eugenics:

The eugenists were given their opportunity to sepak at the Conference. Eugenics, which had started long before my time, had once been defined as including free love and prevention of conception. Moses Harman of Chicago, one of its chief early adherents, had run a magazine and gone to jail for it under the Comstock regime. Recently it had cropped up again in the form of selecting breeding, and biologists and geneticists such as Clarence C. Little, President of the University of Maine, and C. B. Davenport, Director of the Cold Spring Harbor Station for Experimental Evolution, had popularized their findings under this heading. Protoplasm was the substance then supposed to carry on heredetary traits—genes and chromosomes were a later discovery. Professor Davenport used to lift his eyes reverently and, with his hands upraised as though in supplication, quiver emotionally as he breathed, "Protoplasm. We want more protoplasm."

I accepted one branch of this philosophy, but eugenics without birth control seemed to me a house built upon sands. It could not stand against the furious winds of economic pressure which had buffeted into partial or total helplessness a tremendous proportion of the human race.

SANGER Margaret - The Pivot of Civilization (1922)

Margaret Sanger, The Pivot of Civilization, Brentano's Publishers, New York, 1922, pp. 134-35.

Such philanthropy, as Dean Inge has so unanswerably pointed out, is kind only to be cruel, and unwittingly promotes precisely the results most deprecated. It encourages the healthier and more normal sections of the world to shoulder the burden of unthinking and indiscriminate fecundity of others; which brings with it, as I think the reader must agree, a dead weight of human waste. Instead of decreasing and aiming to eliminate the stocks that are most detrimental to the future of the race and the world, it tends to render them to a menacing degree dominant.

Margaret Sanger, The Pivot of Civilization, Brentano's Publishers, New York, 1922, pp. 101-02.

The emergency problem of segregation and sterilization must be faced immediately. Every feeble-minded girl or woman of the hereditary type, especially of the moron class, should be segregated during the reproductive period. Otherwise, she is almost certain to bear imbecile children, who in tum are just as certain to breed other defectives. The male defectives are no less dangerous. Segregation carried out for one or two generations would give us only partial control of the problem. Moreover, when we realize that each feeble-minded person is a potential source of an endless progeny of defect, we prefer the policy of immediate sterilization, of making sure that parenthood is absolutely prohibited to the feeble-minded.

102-04:

At the present moment, we are offered three distinct and more or less mutually exclusive policies by which civilization may hope to protect itself and the generations of the future from the allied dangers of imbecility, defect and delinquency. Noone can Understand the necessity for Birth Control education without a complete comprehension of the dangers, the inadequacies, or the limitations of the present attempts at control, or the proposed programs for social reconstruction and racial regeneration. It is, therefore, necessary to interpret and criticize the three programs offered to meet our emergency. These may be brielly summarized as follows:

(1) Philanthropy and Charity: This is the present and traditional method of meeting the problems of human defect and dependence, of poverty and delinquency. It is emotional, altruistic, at best ameliorative, aiming to meet the individual situation as it arises and presents itself. Its effect in practise is seldom, if ever, truly preventive. Concerned with symptoms, with the allaying of acute and catastrophic miseries, it cannot, if it would, strike at the radical causes of social misery. At its worst, it is sentimental and paternalistic.

(2) Marxian Socialism: This may be considered typical of many widely varying schemes of more or less revolutionary social reconstruction, emphasizing the primary importance of environment, education, equal opportunity, and health, in the elimination of the conditions (i. e. capitalistic control of industry) which have resulted in biological chaos and human waste. I shall attempt to show that the Marxian doctrine is both too limited, too superficial and too fragmentary in its basic analysis of human nature and in its program of revolutionary reconstruction.

(3) Eugenics: Eugenics seems to me to be valuable in its critical and diagnostic aspects, in emphasizing the danger of irresponsible and uncontrolled fertility of the "unfit" and the feeble-minded establishing a progressive unbalance in human society and lowering the birth-rate among the "fit'" But in its so-called "constructive" aspect, in seeking to reestablish the dominance of healthy strain over the unhealthy, by urging an increased birth-rate among the fit, the Eugenists really offer notthng more farsighted than a "cradle competition" between the fit and the unfit. They suggest in very truth, that all intelligent and respectable parents should take as their example in this grave matter of child-bearing the most irresponsible elements in the community.

Margaret Sanger, The Pivot of Civilization, Brentano's Publishers, New York, 1922, pp. 123.

The most serious charge that can be brought against modern "benevolence" is that it encourages the perpetuation of defectives, delinquents and dependents. These are the most dangerous elements in the world community, the most devastating curse on human progress and expression. Philanthropy is a gesture characteristic of modern business lavishing upon the unfit the profits extorted from the community at large. Looked at impartially, this compensatory generosity is in its final effect probably more dangerous, more dysgenic, more blighting than the initial practice of profiteering and the social injustice which makes some too rich and others too poor.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-16   15:49:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: nolu chan (#32)

One such agitator was a disgruntled corporal in the German army. He was an extreme nationalist who also considered himself a race biologist and an advocate of a master race. He was willing to use force to achieve his nationalist racial goals. His inner circle included Germany's most promi­nent eugenic publisher. In 1924, he was serving time in prison for mob action. While in prison, he spent his time poring over eugenic textbooks, which extensively quoted Davenport, Popenoe and other American raceo-logical stalwarts. Moreover, he closely followed the writings of Leon Whitney, president of the American Eugenics Society, and Madison Grant, who extolled the Nordic race and bemoaned its corruption by Jews, Negroes, Slavs and others who did not possess blond hair and blue eyes. The young German corporal even wrote one of them fan mail.

As I said...


Oh, God, can you ever imagine what would happen to the country if Lyndon Johnson were president? -- Jackie Kennedy

jwpegler  posted on  2011-09-16   15:54:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: nolu chan (#33)

There you go again, inserting fact where some do not desire it (laughing)

Boy that 'moron class' must really sting some of our resident fools.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-09-16   15:58:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Badeye (#35)

There you go again, inserting fact where some do not desire it (laughing) `

Thanks for admitting to not reading what he posted...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-16   17:10:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: nolu chan (#33)

Thanks for posting this. I have a copy of this book somewhere in a box in my attic.

I am fairly certain that Rand had to have read this book and found it formative to her views on charity.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-16   17:13:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Badeye, nolu chan (#36) (Edited)

Eugenics: Eugenics seems to me to be valuable in its critical and diagnostic aspects,in emphasizing the danger of irresponsible and uncontrolled fertility of the "unfit" and the feeble-minded establishing a progressive unbalance in human society and lowering the birth-rate among the "fit'"

But in its so-called"constructive" aspect, in seeking to reestablish the dominance of healthy strain over the unhealthy, by urging an increased birth-rate among the fit, the Eugenists really offer nothing more farsighted than a "cradle competition" between the fit and the unfit. They suggest in very truth, that all intelligent and respectable parents should take as their example in this grave matter of child-bearing the most irresponsible elements in the community.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-16   17:15:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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