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Published: Sep 14, 2011
Author: Wingnut
Post Date: 2011-09-14 11:08:51 by war
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Views: 53047
Comments: 80

Some wingnut on another board has this as his tagline:

"I will be voting for whoever [sic] wins the GOP PRIMARY. PERIOD."

Does he mean the FIRST primary, the last primary or the primary in his state? If whomever wins that primary doesn't win the nomination, will he be writing in a candidate?

Enquiring minds want to know...

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#3. To: war (#0)

To determine whether to use whoever or whomever, here is the rule:

him + he = whoever

him + him = whomever

Examples:

Give it to whoever/whomever asks for it first.

Give it to him. He asks for it first.

Therefore, Give it to whoever asks for it first.

http://www.grammarbook.com/grammar/whoever.asp

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I will be voting for whoever wins the GOP PRIMARY.

I will be voting for him. He wins the GOP Primary.

Therefore whoever is correct.

And it's obvious he is talking about the eventual GOP nominee

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-09-14   11:17:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: no gnu taxes (#3)

To determine whether to use whoever or whomever, here is the rule:

him + he = whoever

him + him = whomever

Who is used as a subject and whom is used as an object.

"I will be voting for whoever [sic] wins the GOP PRIMARY. PERIOD."

Correct: I will be voting for whomever.... (object of the preposition for.)

"If whomever wins that primary doesn't win the nomination, will he be writing in a candidate?"

Correct: If whoever wins.... (subject).

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-14   13:45:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: nolu chan (#34)

This is the rule. Go to the grammar link and look it up:

To determine whether to use whoever or whomever, here is the rule:

him + he = whoever

him + him = whomever

Examples:

Give it to whoever/whomever asks for it first.

Give it to him. He asks for it first.

Therefore, Give it to whoever asks for it first.

http://www.grammarbook.com/grammar/whoever.asp

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In the same sense:

I will be voting for whoever wins the GOP PRIMARY.

I will be voting for him. He wins the GOP Primary.

Therefore whoever is correct.

The reason for this is while it is an object of a preposition, it is also the subject of a dependent clause.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-09-14   13:52:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: no gnu taxes (#37)

Who is used as a subject and whom is used as an object.

"I will be voting for whoever [sic] wins the GOP PRIMARY. PERIOD."

Correct: I will be voting for whomever.... (object of the preposition for.)

[no gnu taxes]

Therefore whoever is correct.

The reason for this is while it is an object of a preposition, it is also the subject of a dependent clause.

Oops! You are correct and I did get one bass ackwards.

"I will be voting for whoever [sic] wins the GOP PRIMARY.

[paraphrase] I will be voting for he who wins the GOP PRIMARY.

Whoever is correct.

The whole clause is the object. I believe it is a nominative (or noun) clause.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-14   16:05:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: nolu chan (#55)

I will be voting for he who wins the GOP PRIMARY.

I'll invoke Rule #3...whatever sounds right IS right...and still declare victory...

war  posted on  2011-09-14   16:17:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: war (#56)

I'll invoke Rule #3...whatever sounds right IS right...and still declare victory...

I suppose the only actual purpose of a language is to communicate and sometimes the "proper" way just sounds wrong, e.g., It is I. People just don't talk that way. Another example is the rule against ending a sentence with a preposition, of which Churchill (supposedly) remarked, "That is a rule up with which I will not put."

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-14   18:15:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: nolu chan (#60)

.. a preposition, of which Churchill (supposedly) remarked, "That is a rule up with which I will not put."

Hilarious...

But not as hilarious as getting Paddy to keep bumping up the thread over an error in grammar...

war  posted on  2011-09-15   8:19:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: war (#65)

Look, douche bag, you are the one who comes on here professing to be an expert in EVERYTHING, including grammar and is constantly correcting everybody's grammar as if you were an expert. You are the one who kept it going by simply not admitting you were wrong when it it was obvious you were.

You know what? You are a fucking asshole not worth responding to anymore and has been proven, totally without credit. I have never filtered anyone before, but you will now be my first. Bye Bye, you worthless loser.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-09-15   9:53:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: no gnu taxes, Fred Mertz, Skip Intro, mininggold, lucysmom (#67) (Edited)

Yinz can't miss this rant...

I can only hope that he hit the keys so hard that he wet his pants...

war  posted on  2011-09-15   10:04:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: war (#69)

I just sent you mail, not a PM.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-09-15   11:01:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Fred Mertz (#72)

Replied...

war  posted on  2011-09-15   11:09:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: war (#74)

I'm still waiting for it. I must be low on the priority list. Thanks.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-09-15   11:16:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Fred Mertz (#75)

You get?

war  posted on  2011-09-15   11:36:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: war (#77)

Yes. Thanks.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-09-15   11:37:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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