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Title: Hyundai Hypes Hydrogen on Cross-Country Cruise
Source: Autopia
URL Source: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/09/hyundai-hydrogen/
Published: Sep 12, 2011
Author: Alexander George
Post Date: 2011-09-12 14:25:56 by jwpegler
Keywords: None
Views: 6935
Comments: 23

Hyundai is hyping hydrogen, cruising cross-country in a fuel-cell Tucson to turn people on to the fuel of the future.

We’ve seen this before, from the likes of Daimler and Honda and even Toyota, all of whom firmly believe hydrogen will mend our fuelish ways. For all the love hybrids and battery electrics get these days, several leading automakers still say hydrogen is the best long-term play.

Hyundai’s been experimenting with hydrogen for more than a decade, and it is conducting a 4,500-mile tour through 15 states in the Tucson ix FCEV and to promote its advancements and advocacy of the technology. This is the company’s third-gen Tucson fuel cell vehicle, and Hyundai let us put a few miles on the car during its drive through San Francisco.

Aside from a paint job featuring colorful handprints — to promote the automaker’s Hope on Wheels fundraising program — the fuel cell Tucson looks like the Tucson you’d see in any showroom. Turn the key – ignition isn’t the right word here – and you notice a difference, however.

The vehicle begins with a sucking sound, like a valve slowly closing. If you’re outside the car, you hear a slight hum from the drivetrain. But inside the car, which is comfortable and quite nicely appointed, the Tucson is as silent as an electric vehicle. Which, of course, it is. The only difference is the Tucson uses a fuel cell instead of a battery to provide most of the juice.

Hyundai says the 100-kilowatt fuel cell is the same size as the 2.4-liter engine in a conventional Tucson. The fuel cell and motor are under the hood, and the 21 kilowatt-hour battery is under the floor. A tank at the rear holds 144 liters of hydrogen at 700 bar (roughly 10,000 PSI). Everything is packaged tidily out of the way, leaving plenty of interior room.

On the road, the machine drives like any other Tucson, but with a little less power. The motor is good for 100 kilowatts (134 horsepower), which is considerably less than the 165 horsepower provided by a Tucson GL with a four- banger. But there’s loads of torque and, of course, nothing more noxious than potable water coming out of the tailpipe.

Hyundai wouldn’t let us really open it up, though. Joshua Marmelstein, the engineer riding shotgun with us, asked us to keep the motor output below 25 kilowatts. Hydrogen may be the most plentiful element in the universe, but isn’t exactly easy to come by when you need to fill your tank. Hyundai didn’t want us using so much that the Tucson wouldn’t reach its next stop.

Still, we got a good enough feel for the Tucson to say that it is, like the Honda FCX Clarity and the Mercedes-Benz F-Cell we’ve driven, a real car. You could drive it all day long, quite happily. It does everything you want it to.

The big pitch for hydrogen is, of course, that it offers the zero tailpipe emissions and energy independence of battery electric vehicles without the limited range and long recharge time. You can fill the Tucson’s tank quite quickly, and it has a range of 650 kilometers (roughly 404 miles). Hyundai says it gets the equivalent of 70 mpg, or more than twice the highway fuel economy of a four-cylinder Tucson.

Hyundai isn’t alone in preaching the hydrogen gospel. Honda’s been leasing the Clarity for a couple of years, and both Mercedes-Benz and Toyota plan to offer fuel cell vehicles for sale in 2015. The two automakers are shooting for a price in the $50,000 ballpark. The price is driven in large part by the fuel cells, which use rare materials like platinum.

But cost has always been only part of the problem. There is no significant infrastructure to speak of for producing, distributing and storing hydrogen on a large scale. There are half a dozen or so stations in California — the latest opened near Los Angeles earlier this year, and public stations beyond the Golden State are few and far between. It’s enough of a problem that Hyundai will rely upon support vehicles carrying tanks of hydrogen to get it through the midwest.

And then there’s the whole issue of how hydrogen is produced, the fact it’s most often transported by truck, the argument that it won’t be adopted fast enough to make a difference, and… and… but those are issues for another post. Actually, we’ve already written that post.

The bottom line is, Hyundai — like Daimler and Honda — are optimistic the infrastructure issue will be sorted out. Company spokesman Christopher Hosford suggests starting with hydrogen stations along trucking routes. Do that, he says, and the rest of the country will follow.

Maybe. It it does, it could do worse than to do so in a Tucson ix FCEV.

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#11. To: jwpegler (#0) (Edited)

We’ve seen this before, from the likes of Daimler and Honda and even Toyota, all of whom firmly believe hydrogen will mend our fuelish ways.

Uh-huh. It still uses an electric motor, an idea so innovative that it's been around for ~100 years. Nobody buys 'em. WHY? Because they don't make economic sense.

the fuel cell Tucson looks like the Tucson you’d see in any showroom.
I'll have to take that on "faith," since I'd never buy a Hyundai, and won't waste my time in one of their showrooms...
A tank at the rear holds 144 liters of hydrogen at 700 bar (roughly 10,000 PSI).

Two words came to mind when I read this sentence, "bomb" and "Hindenburg." 'Nuff said.

The two automakers are shooting for a price in the $50,000 ballpark.

Demonstrating the first point I made: they're not economically viable. Anyone who has the $50K for one of these, will more likely buy something more practical... Like a BMW. Roadster. 2-Seater. Z-4... You get the idea. Only LEFT- WING LOONS would spend that amount of coin on this kind of crap- to demonstrate their green "snobbery" (aka idiocy).

But cost has always been only part of the problem... And then there’s the whole issue of how hydrogen is produced....
Yeah, it's so expensive (and dangerous) as to preclude its economic viability.
Company spokesman Christopher Hosford suggests starting with hydrogen stations along trucking routes. Do that, he says, and the rest of the country will follow.

Translation: Whistling Past the Graveyard.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-09-12   18:52:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Capitalist Eric, cz82 (#11) (Edited)

Hydrogen fuel cells are the future of the automobile and every car company in the world knows it, which is why they are investing billions in their development.

Damilier (Mercedes) is working with a company in Germany to roll out hydrogen refueling stations along the autoban. GM is working with the gas company in Hawaii to do this same thing.

As with all new technologies, the price will come down dramatically as the technology is adopted.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-09-13   10:41:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: jwpegler (#15)

As with all new technologies, the price will come down dramatically as the technology is adopted.

Sorry, but that's wishful thinking.

Think about it; how is liquid hydrogen generated? There's only one feasible way to do this... electrolysis.

The net amount of energy to create a comparable amount of BTUs is larger for hydrogen as compared to gasoline. This is the same economic reality that dooms electric cars to the economic abyss.

From a practical perspective- including all costs of fuel production- "green" cars don't even get close to gasoline.

Diesel? Yeah.

Hydrogen or batteries? LOL.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-09-13   14:47:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Capitalist Eric (#16) (Edited)

From a practical perspective- including all costs of fuel production- "green" cars don't even get close to gasoline.

Nope. Add in the cost of our wars and aide to the Middle East and gas is not $4 gallon. It's $17 a gallon.

Every major auto company believes that hydrogen vehicles are the future. There are breakthroughs all of the time in hydrogen production, fuel cell efficiency and fuel cell costs.

This is the future of the automobile. Without question.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-09-13   15:36:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: jwpegler (#17)

Nope. Add in the cost of our wars and aide to the Middle East and gas is not $4 gallon. It's $17 a gallon.

Pulling numbers out of your ass, doesn't impress me.

This is the future of the automobile. Without question.

Now you're starting to sound like goober56.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-09-13   17:51:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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