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Title: Rick Perry is Right: Social Security Really is a Ponzi Scheme
Source: Dissenting Opinions
URL Source: http://jwpegler.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... -is-right-social-security.html
Published: Sep 10, 2011
Author: Eric Blankenburg
Post Date: 2011-09-10 21:05:00 by jwpegler
Keywords: None
Views: 119659
Comments: 228

Rick Perry's comments during this week's GOP debate at the Reagan library has caused quite a stir in the liberal media.

During the debate, Governor Perry defended the words in his book, calling Social Security a "Ponzi scheme".

After the debate, the "analysis" on MSNBC was truly fun to watch as every commentator sat shelled shocked over the fact that a politician would dare to use these words to describe America's most sacred welfare program.

The only person on the panel who had a clue about what might be going on was Ed Schultz who at one point questioned whether or not whether young people would stick with Obama or jump on the Perry bandwagon.

Unlike the political and media establishment in this country, young people understand that they are going to get the short end of the Social Security "inter-generational compact". Schultz surprisingly realized that Perry's message might resonant with young people.

Let's take a quick look at the Social Security system and see if Perry might be on to something.

The people who got into the Social Security system very early got back on average 15 times the amount of money they paid in. They got a great deal and were raving proponents of the system.

The people receiving Social Security benefits today are getting back on average 2 1/2 to 3 times what they paid in. They are also generally strong proponents of the system.

Today, Social Security is paying out more every year than it takes it. We are borrowing money from the foreigners, like the Chinese and Saudis to pay current benefits. As the huge Baby Boom generation retires, the amount of debt we incur each year will quickly escalate until it blows up in our face and old people without resources really do wind up in the street.

So, what happens when my generation starts to retire in 15 to 20 years and what will happen to my kids?

We will all be left holding the bag.

There is a financial MODEL that describes this. The model is called a Pyramid scheme or Ponzi scheme or a Bernie Madoff scheme. The people who get it in early make out like bandits and the people who get it late get screwed.

That is exactly how the Social Security system will play out.

The fact is that the Social Security is a pay-as-you­-go welfare system that transfers money from young, struggling families to relatively well-to-do retired people. There isn't any "trust fund". The words "trust fund" are used to describe a mountain of debt. A mountain of debt is NOT a trust fund. It's a mountain of debt. Today, the mountain of debt in the Social Security system is so great that it cannot be paid.

Peel away the emotion, the Orwellian language about the "trust fund", and the other political rhetoric, and just look at the financial facts. Then this all becomes very clear.

Rick Perry is absolutely right and I am actually impressed that a politician would tell the truth about this. It's truly amazing.

The big question is what can be done?

Long term, people need to be able to save for their own retirements. Social Security needs to be taken back to it's roots as a program that supplements the income of retirees who are truly poor, through no fault of their own.

Today, 25% of people over 65 have pension or investment income that places them in the "wealthy" category. They still get Social Security benefits, so long as they don't work for their income. Why should young struggling families hand money over the wealthy retired people?

They shouldn't. Means testing Social Security will go a long way to make it solvent for the future.

When Social Security was implemente­d, the retirement age was 65. The average life expectancy was 59 for men and 61 for women. Most people didn't live long enough to get a check. Today, the retirement age is still 65. However, life expectancy is 73 for men and 78 for women.

The math just doesn't work.

We need to gradually raise the retirement age to keep up with life expectancy.

Bravo to Perry for telling it like it is. I certainly agree with Ed Schultz that a lot of young people will find this message appealing.

The other group who should find this message appealing are wealthy retirees who are stealing from their children's and grandchildren's future. Will they finally put their selfishness aside and say: "no more"? Probably not, but we'll see.

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#11. To: jwpegler (#0)

SS is the only place left that has cash.

And Obama wants it.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-11   9:15:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: mcgowanjm (#11)

SS is the only place left that has cash.

Huh???

Social security is paying out more every year in benefits than it receives in taxes.

There isn't any cash on hand.

None.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-09-11   12:54:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: jwpegler (#15)

There isn't any cash on hand.

None.

Only because the US Gov't has been systematically robbing the SS Fund since Nixon....

And leaving IOU's.

It's the Unfunded Wars....How many are we waging now?....

8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-12   8:53:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: mcgowanjm (#44)

Only because the US Gov't has been systematically robbing the SS Fund since Nixon....

And leaving IOU's.

They only borrowed $2.6 trillion from Social Security. Over the next 75 years, Social Security, Medicare, and Medicare will run deficits of $211 trillion.

The system no longer works. It need major surgery or it is going to collapse.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-09-12   10:27:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: jwpegler (#47)

They only borrowed $2.6 trillion from Social Security.

I should have mentioned that this is the Federal government "borrowing" from the Federal government. It's like you borrowing from yourself, spending the money, looking at an IOU from you to you, and thinking you still have the money. It makes no financial sense.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-12   19:14:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: nolu chan (#73)

I should have mentioned that this is the Federal government "borrowing" from the Federal government. It's like you borrowing from yourself, spending the money, looking at an IOU from you to you, and thinking you still have the money. It makes no financial sense.

The analogy I always use is your checking account borrowing from your savings account.

It's a complete fiction.

They should put Social Security in the general fund and pay for it like any other welfare program.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-09-12   19:21:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: jwpegler, nolu chan (#75)

It's a complete fiction.

They should put Social Security in the general fund and pay for it like any other welfare program.

Sure.

But then the Social Compact since the Winter of 32/33 is broken.

The Plutocracy never knows when it has gone too far until it does....;}

And then you have revolution....your call...8D

""Plutonomies have occurred before in sixteenth century Spain, in seventeenth century Holland, the Gilded Age and the Roaring Twenties in the U.S ... Often these wealth waves involve great complexity, exploited best by the rich and educated of the time." According to the Citigroup experts, a plutonomic economy is driven by the consumption of the classes, not the masses:

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-12   21:14:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: mcgowanjm (#76)

But then the Social Compact since the Winter of 32/33 is broken.

And Franklin Roosevelt is dead. So what?

jwpegler  posted on  2011-09-13   10:30:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: jwpegler (#93)

And Franklin Roosevelt is dead. So what?

Like building a complicated machine.

Or playing chess and performing a complicated maneuver.

You have a tendency to not see when your Queen is mortally exposed.

Same Shite....;}

"Rival factions turn on leadership after the attempt to secure Bani Walid ends in chaos. Kim Sengupta reports from Tripoli

September 12, 2011

The rebels had fought their way in through the narrow streets and alleyways when they ran into an ambush. A desperate appeal for help to their comrades, exiles from Bani Walid whose advice they had followed on the assault, was answered by instructions to fall back to a rendezvous point outside the town.

But when the revolutionaries reached their destination, having fought their way out under intense fire, there was no sign of the Bani Walid contingent. Then, as urgent attempts were being made to establish communications, came salvos of mortar rounds and rockets."

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#99. To: mcgowanjm (#97)

I see that you are back on the crack pipe again today.

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