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Title: Rick Perry is Right: Social Security Really is a Ponzi Scheme
Source: Dissenting Opinions
URL Source: http://jwpegler.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... -is-right-social-security.html
Published: Sep 10, 2011
Author: Eric Blankenburg
Post Date: 2011-09-10 21:05:00 by jwpegler
Keywords: None
Views: 119588
Comments: 228

Rick Perry's comments during this week's GOP debate at the Reagan library has caused quite a stir in the liberal media.

During the debate, Governor Perry defended the words in his book, calling Social Security a "Ponzi scheme".

After the debate, the "analysis" on MSNBC was truly fun to watch as every commentator sat shelled shocked over the fact that a politician would dare to use these words to describe America's most sacred welfare program.

The only person on the panel who had a clue about what might be going on was Ed Schultz who at one point questioned whether or not whether young people would stick with Obama or jump on the Perry bandwagon.

Unlike the political and media establishment in this country, young people understand that they are going to get the short end of the Social Security "inter-generational compact". Schultz surprisingly realized that Perry's message might resonant with young people.

Let's take a quick look at the Social Security system and see if Perry might be on to something.

The people who got into the Social Security system very early got back on average 15 times the amount of money they paid in. They got a great deal and were raving proponents of the system.

The people receiving Social Security benefits today are getting back on average 2 1/2 to 3 times what they paid in. They are also generally strong proponents of the system.

Today, Social Security is paying out more every year than it takes it. We are borrowing money from the foreigners, like the Chinese and Saudis to pay current benefits. As the huge Baby Boom generation retires, the amount of debt we incur each year will quickly escalate until it blows up in our face and old people without resources really do wind up in the street.

So, what happens when my generation starts to retire in 15 to 20 years and what will happen to my kids?

We will all be left holding the bag.

There is a financial MODEL that describes this. The model is called a Pyramid scheme or Ponzi scheme or a Bernie Madoff scheme. The people who get it in early make out like bandits and the people who get it late get screwed.

That is exactly how the Social Security system will play out.

The fact is that the Social Security is a pay-as-you­-go welfare system that transfers money from young, struggling families to relatively well-to-do retired people. There isn't any "trust fund". The words "trust fund" are used to describe a mountain of debt. A mountain of debt is NOT a trust fund. It's a mountain of debt. Today, the mountain of debt in the Social Security system is so great that it cannot be paid.

Peel away the emotion, the Orwellian language about the "trust fund", and the other political rhetoric, and just look at the financial facts. Then this all becomes very clear.

Rick Perry is absolutely right and I am actually impressed that a politician would tell the truth about this. It's truly amazing.

The big question is what can be done?

Long term, people need to be able to save for their own retirements. Social Security needs to be taken back to it's roots as a program that supplements the income of retirees who are truly poor, through no fault of their own.

Today, 25% of people over 65 have pension or investment income that places them in the "wealthy" category. They still get Social Security benefits, so long as they don't work for their income. Why should young struggling families hand money over the wealthy retired people?

They shouldn't. Means testing Social Security will go a long way to make it solvent for the future.

When Social Security was implemente­d, the retirement age was 65. The average life expectancy was 59 for men and 61 for women. Most people didn't live long enough to get a check. Today, the retirement age is still 65. However, life expectancy is 73 for men and 78 for women.

The math just doesn't work.

We need to gradually raise the retirement age to keep up with life expectancy.

Bravo to Perry for telling it like it is. I certainly agree with Ed Schultz that a lot of young people will find this message appealing.

The other group who should find this message appealing are wealthy retirees who are stealing from their children's and grandchildren's future. Will they finally put their selfishness aside and say: "no more"? Probably not, but we'll see.

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#17. To: jwpegler (#0)

The other group who should find this message appealing are wealthy retirees who are stealing from their children's and grandchildren's future. Will they finally put their selfishness aside and say: "no more"? Probably not, but we'll see.

You have to be a real a$$hole to try blaming those folks who had their money confiscated by government for 50 years with the promise of getting it back with interest when they could no longer work. If they did not pay, guys with guns were sent to wring it out of them or put them in prison. That is no damned Ponzi scheme that is armed robbery. The damned government stole the money from those folks and from their children and grandchildren and I tired of hearing this crap blaming the victims of government armed robbery for their own problems.

It takes a real gutless bastard to blame other victimized Americans for the theft of their future by a criminal government because they are too frightened to do something about it now.

eskimo  posted on  2011-09-11   13:00:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: eskimo (#17)

The damned government stole the money from those folks

So, your answer is to steal our money to pay them off? Who is going to pay us off when we retire?

At some point it has to stop.

People with a pension income and/or investment income that places them in the top 25% should be cut off right now. Young people should be allowed to divert their payroll taxes to private bank accounts. The employer's portion of the payroll tax can continue to pay for the 75% of current retirees who remain in the system until they die. Then it can be diverted to individual accounts as well.

Not sure that the numbers completely add up here without further investigation, but this is generally the approach that we should take -- cut the wealthy off and let people start saving for their own retirement.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-09-11   13:07:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: jwpegler (#19)

So, your answer is to steal our money to pay them off? Who is going to pay us off when we retire?

Godamit! The criminal government is stealing from you and all you can do is blame those the government has already fleeced. All the a$$holes who think that way need to gut up and place the blame where it belongs. Your government is pissing away trillions on building an empire and the gutless wonders are wringing their hands at the prospect of giving promised billions to some old folks. Get a grip!

eskimo  posted on  2011-09-11   13:24:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: eskimo (#21)

Listen Bozo, current retirees joined the greedy geezer lobby (AARP) and they lobbied for the goodies. It is their fault that we are in this mess.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-09-11   15:14:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: jwpegler (#25)

Listen Bozo, current retirees joined the greedy geezer lobby (AARP) and they lobbied for the goodies. It is their fault that we are in this mess.

You are as ignorant as you are stubborn. AARPs are a political lobby that comprise a tiny minority of stupid liberal/socialist slugs. Gut up you ignorant fool and direct the blame for your anxiety where it belongs, the government you now still are so godamned scared of confronting.

eskimo  posted on  2011-09-11   16:57:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: eskimo (#30)

AARPs are a political lobby that comprise a tiny minority of stupid liberal/socialist slugs

40 million people is not a tiny minority of stupid liberal/socialist slugs.

What other political pressure group has 40 million members?

jwpegler  posted on  2011-09-12   10:31:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: jwpegler (#49)

40 million people is not a tiny minority of stupid liberal/socialist slugs.

So you are saying that 13% of Americans who are old "stupid liberal/socialist slugs" is some sort of unsurmountable political problem?

eskimo  posted on  2011-09-12   12:07:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#63. To: eskimo (#62) (Edited)

So you are saying that 13% of Americans who are old "stupid liberal/socialist slugs" is some sort of unsurmountable political problem?

Have you lived in America for the last several decades???

If so, then you already know what the answer is.

A lot of Americans are under 18 years old. They can't vote.

Of the people over 18, there are 169 million registered voters.

AARP membership is 24% of the voting population, not 13%.

Old people vote at a much higher rate than than young people.

There are a about 40 million people over 65 in the U.S. There are 40 million AARP members.

You can join AARP at 50 years old, so not every retiree is an AARP member, but almost all of them are.

AARP is the most successful political pressure group in the country.

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